Game Update Thursday April 17, 2008 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

18 Apr 2008 at 01:14 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be AFK praying for the old LoD to magically appear.

I know.

It's all I care about.

They could nerf everything else into oblivion, I just want LoD back.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

18 Apr 2008 at 01:17 - 82

cool mass nerf for me... Splinter 8sec >< wtf Aegis 15e .... what's next?

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:19 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Here's a little tip: if you all don't want a skill nerfed, don't over use it. I'm guessing that if something that is a little overpowered isn't abused, Izzy is more likely to leave it alone.

LOL, I love this idea. How about I get to abuse every overpowered skill and everyone else in guild wars doesn't use it because we are afraid of getting it nerfed. That would be awesome.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

18 Apr 2008 at 01:20 - 84

stupid me.. shooting arrows with my ranger

casting wards with ele ... what was i thinking.. seriously

Chestnut

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

18 Apr 2008 at 01:25 - 85

Wow... R.I.P. Guild wars.

30 seconds recharge for Restoration?! O.. M...G..

lol. thats just funny as hell.....

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Apr 2008 at 01:27 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Izzy really needs to understand that buffs are what is needed now, not nerfs.

Buffs, at this point in time, and given the history of what the concept of buffing skills in GW means, would probably cause a very nasty power creep.

Hollow Gein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Menos Espadas

N/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:27 - 87

Well, looks like I got me a NEW mule. Yes sir, going to mule him up good....................................'sigh'...I hate you Kenny

Trinity Fire Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Desert

Legions of Engalion [自由]

Mo/W

18 Apr 2008 at 01:27 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by warcrap

omfg another build essential ele skill ruined ffs every time i find a new build at least one skill from it gets super-nerfed.

omfg.... why is it that people have to QQ about essential skills being nerfed that they simply cannot do without. ummm... let me see... it;s not that bad. you can still use the skill. it was probably buffed two months ago in the last nerf/buffage round.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

18 Apr 2008 at 01:29 - 89

I miss hexbreaker XD

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:33 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

• Glyph of Concentration: decreased number of spells affected to 1.

E/A HM raptor farming just got a bit more challenging.

what do you use glyph for? shadowform? use deadly paradox. rarely gets interrupted if you hit shadow form while moving.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Apr 2008 at 01:33 - 91

I like farming, thrill of the hunt, and can't stand pvp (did it in my youth with Mechwarrior 2 & 3) just doesn't appeal to me anymore, especially guild wars since pvp should be called "Build Wars".

Another thing I like is using different builds. With these constant nerfs I am forced into using the same build over and over, gets boring. Rit farming is not dead, just got limited on viable builds you can use now. Guess I will go back to my 600 Necro / Smite to farm feathers and celestials.

Would have been fun if players could change the build during pvp matches, then quick thinking, quick response, adaptability, and skill would have been used to win battles but instead you get "Build Wars".

wick

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Warrior Nation

Mo/Me

18 Apr 2008 at 01:34 - 92

This was one of the worst skill nerfs yet. I am very dissapointed sadly

They buff unused and never to be used skills AKA Chaos Storm and nerf skills that were used a lot, even thought they were overpowered

I wish they would BUFF SKILLS when they NERF skills so new stuff can be used.

And BTW, the aegis nerf = /fail. Make it your entire radar again and I will be happy but it is pretty annoying how you buff, than nerf, then nerf a skill...

Elite God

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Island Below Shing Jea Monastary

Forever Knights

R/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:47 - 93

Flesh Of Flesh...-.-''

Splinter...Double -.-''

...

Bad Skill Update

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:54 - 94

Apart from the aegis update, the rest wasnt that bad, stop QQ'ing ffs... You will find another meta to farm your easy fame etc, Jesus Christ, before everyone was like, remove blind off 1 plz omg disable the blinder, ffs i couldnt hit shit because of the blindbot blablabla,
rits, splinter was overpowered, get over it,
para's, big deal they'll survive just like they survived the aggressive refrain nerf which was also announced the end of paragons etc...
Every problem/nerf challenges people to come up with solutions, and believe me, tomorrow everyone will be playing the new meta, whatever it may become...

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:55 - 95

good, res sigs need to be made more important (and MB of course)

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

18 Apr 2008 at 01:55 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

if there ever was a series of nerfs which screams the most obvious conclusion, that pve and pvp need to be seperate, this is the one

sersiously, this is just a joke, and a parody of how ill-conceived gw is in general

I will still argue down to the ground that GW is a great game. Concluding that the entire game sucks just because one aspect hasn't panned out well is not logical argument. There are many pros still for GW being a great game.

Yes PvP and PvE skills need to be separated. I'm just going to have to deal with it until GW2, to see if they make this separation.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:58 - 97

Quote:

if there ever was a series of nerfs which screams the most obvious conclusion, that pve and pvp need to be seperate, this is the one

sersiously, this is just a joke, and a parody of how ill-conceived gw is in general

Creating a boundry between skills for PvP and PvE is harder then most people think. Stop complaining about it, I highly doubt ANet are going to even consider changing over a thousand skills to make PvErs happy.

ccruzp

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 01:59 - 98

Death pact at 18 x 8 = 658 armor ignoring damage (isnt it?)
problem is you can do it every 3.75 seconds , droping PwK to heal the sacs or w/e party heal, while the infuser would have to stay alert every seconds between WoH and infusing the new gay bloodspike? w/ 1 energy cost you can also cast one or two Vampiric Swarm to randonly damage some guys then spike a pre-called target to get the monks confused on who to heal/infuse.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

18 Apr 2008 at 02:00 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Creating a boundry between skills for PvP and PvE is harder then most people think. Stop complaining about it, I highly doubt ANet are going to even consider changing over a thousand skills to make PvErs happy.

Though it seems they are happy to nerf a thousand skills to make PvPrs happy.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

18 Apr 2008 at 02:00 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

ffs I cant get over it, Aegis + ward vs melee nerfed, monks are so dead in gvg now...

edit, everything is dead...

And I'm so glad I'm tried of all these long drawn out gvg matches that the majority of always goto VOD. It's time monks finally got brought back down to earth. I say they still need some more nerfing. I want to see slaughterfests in gvg not ring around the rosey.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 02:01 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Though it seems they are happy to nerf a thousand skills to make PvPrs happy.

Seeing as the skills have always been balanced around PvP, yes they would.

Giga_Gaia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Travelling around Tyria, Cantha, and Elona

P/W

18 Apr 2008 at 02:02 - 102

yay for update! gogo Izzy we luvs u <3 u are teh awesomz!!1!11

Rohan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Wasted Days [wD]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:04 - 103

I'm not sure if this has already been posted somewhere but...

"This month's update is unique. It is a "temporary tournament update" targeted at the final cash-prize tournament, which will take place at the end of April. The skill changes are temporary and will be in effect for only two weeks. They are all geared toward addressing the most immediate issues with Guild Battles.

In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all. "

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._17_April_2008

Lyonette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

[PiG]

E/

18 Apr 2008 at 02:04 - 104

so, now that the Devs have put up the offical updates, does anyone notice that all the changed skills will be reverted on May 1st? ^^

edit: lol... idk how but Rohan beat me :P

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:06 - 105

Am I the only one who skims through these threads for comments from PvPers who know what the hell they're talking about?

Honestly, I play mostly PvE right now, and I'm downright embarrassed at the idiocy here.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

18 Apr 2008 at 02:07 - 106

Quote:

• Disarm: decreased time that attack skills are disabled to 0..3 seconds; increased recharge to 20.

I don't get this one when there is a sea of hammer and axe with very little sword.

Quote:

In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all.

Stop being so concerned about farming Anet, seriously.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:09 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Am I the only one who skims through these threads for comments from PvPers who know what the hell they're talking about?

Honestly, I play mostly PvE right now, and I'm downright embarrassed at the idiocy here.

If you want more intelligent talk you go to the Glad Arena thread. Here you just lol @ bad players talking about the death of Guild Wars again.

dwc89

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

earth

18 Apr 2008 at 02:11 - 108

There is a note on the official wiki that says the developers stated the skill changes will be reverted on May 1st. Guess we'll see.

Maybe they should make Ursan a PvP skill now - then no skill nerfs and the game will become the classless wonder that it is becoming

Looks ahead to GW2 and thinks..........

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

18 Apr 2008 at 02:13 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darmikau

GG Anet. You take the still great Paragon defensive skills and nerf them almost to the point where they're unusable, and then have the audacity to not even buff any skills. Nerf nerf nerf nerf, when will Paragons get a desperately deserved defensive BUFF?

They don't desperately need a buff, only for the over nerfed skills.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:14 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

If you want more intelligent talk you go to the Glad Arena thread. Here you just lol @ bad players talking about the death of Guild Wars again.

I know, just came from there. It would be nice if PvE wasn't filled with anger-spittle spewing neanderthals, though.

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

18 Apr 2008 at 02:18 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

I don't get this one when there is a sea of hammer and axe with very little sword.

"Coward!" with sword combos has disarm in there.

cgruber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Tryst of Vengenance [ToV]

Mo/Me

18 Apr 2008 at 02:22 - 112

Fixed a bug that caused the Paragon skill "Never Surrender!" to affect non-party allies.

DOH! I've been exploiting this in Fort Aspenwood forever on my paragon. All the NPC and any minions would get the buff. I could hold the entire base up by myself with shouts.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

18 Apr 2008 at 02:23 - 113

I edited the first post to include the dev comments for the skills. So you can see the first page in this thread for those.

Trinity Fire Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Desert

Legions of Engalion [自由]

Mo/W

18 Apr 2008 at 02:25 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohan

"This month's update is unique. It is a "temporary tournament update" targeted at the final cash-prize tournament, which will take place at the end of April. The skill changes are temporary and will be in effect for only two weeks. They are all geared toward addressing the most immediate issues with Guild Battles.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._17_April_2008

i don;t know about you, but this one quote seriously just pwned all you QQ. oh noez, my imba bbuildz are brokened. all skillz are 4 da noobz.

i can;t wait to watch the final cash prize GVG rounds.

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:31 - 115

junk update. another reason i dont even bother playing high end pvp now....

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

18 Apr 2008 at 02:34 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

junk update. another reason i dont even bother playing high end pvp now....

Because you can't adapt to the changes, or because you just dislike overpowered/powerful skills getting nerfed to death/toned down.

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:37 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

I know, just came from there. It would be nice if PvE wasn't filled with anger-spittle spewing neanderthals, though.

us pve players wouldn't feel so let down by the anet staff if they would learn how to balance the skills they created from the start. too many times now have pivotal skills in good, balanced builds in pve get rolled because some JUNK build like escape dervs fudge us over, exploiting a cheap killstyle.

the abuse of the pvp community, and the lack of creativity in build creation has pinned us pve'ers into suffering through all of the junk "balances' the world of gws goes through, so you guys dont kill each other with some dumb shockwave/shadowstep combo 4 million times, thinking that makes you "pro".

its a lose lose for the pve crew, rarely getting a buff here or there, that simply catches a nerf soon after 90% of the time anyhow.

and im not picking on you Dr., its just pvp attitudes in general are just as bad as the "angry" pve'ers. its the pvp whining that gets us into this junk in the first place...

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

18 Apr 2008 at 02:39 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Because you can't adapt to the changes, or because you just dislike overpowered/powerful skills getting nerfed to death/toned down.

because most were because of the blatant abuse of skills. not because they were actually overpowered...

and moreso... because anet either buffs a little, or nerfs clear into the dirt till it about as good as Primal...

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

18 Apr 2008 at 02:41 - 119

"In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all."

This made me lol. *NOW* they realize that the flavor-of-the-week gvg builds that result in out-of-nowhere nerfs for casual pve play tends to erode their casual pve base, which is probably the majority of their cash flow? Wow, way to catch on about 2 years too late. Of course, of pvp and pve weren't tied together as people have been suggesting for years, we wouldn't be in this situation.

So this is what passes for management at Anet. Well I shouldn't complain, it's a step in the right direction, and a bit of a mea culpa. Hopefully another way in which how GW1 has trended towards teh suck will be a lesson learned for GW2.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

18 Apr 2008 at 02:44 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

the abuse of the pvp community, and the lack of creativity in build creation

If you're the one complaining that balance changes are destroying your builds and play experience, aren't you the one who was abusing the skills and lack the creativity to adapt?

PS: Yes. Yes you are.