Fire Element Overpowered
BroodingEvil
Last time I checked, while I'm knocked down, I can't ass scoot out of the meteor shower. And i can only have so many spells on my warrior, i have to survive and cure myself of all these things and do damage.
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Last time I checked, while I'm knocked down, I can't ass scoot out of the meteor shower. And i can only have so many spells on my warrior, i have to survive and cure myself of all these things and do damage.
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angmar_nite
Cure yourself with spells on warriors??? And it takes 5 seconds to cast. You should get hit once by meteor shower tops and that's IF the glyph of Sac it. And one hit of average damage plus knockdown isn't with 25 energy and exhaustion.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Last time I checked, while I'm knocked down, I can't ass scoot out of the meteor shower.
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angmar_nite
Well... an average pve warrior without pve skills could get away with a conjure. But that's the most.
RPGmaniac
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Last time I checked, while I'm knocked down, I can't ass scoot out of the meteor shower. And i can only have so many spells on my warrior, i have to survive and cure myself of all these things and do damage.
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Darkobra
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Last time I checked, while I'm knocked down, I can't ass scoot out of the meteor shower. And i can only have so many spells on my warrior, i have to survive and cure myself of all these things and do damage.
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And coming from a pure elementalist, it takes 3 seconds for the first strike from the meteor shower to hit. It does not take a total of 3 seconds for even a crippled warrior to move out of it if they're targeted.
BroodingEvil
We're talking about warrior versus elementalist. And if I'm attacking the elementalist I have to be fairly close, and if he casts meteor shower or any other AOE when I'm attacking him as any person with half a brain would do, I'll have to fight through it or run away and do nothing.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
We're talking about warrior versus elementalist. And if I'm attacking the elementalist I have to be fairly close, and if he casts meteor shower or any other AOE when I'm attacking him as any person with half a brain would do, I'll have to fight through it or run away and do nothing.
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Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Mending is overpowered because it's used alot.
Do I get a cookie? |
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
We're talking about warrior versus elementalist. And if I'm attacking the elementalist I have to be fairly close, and if he casts meteor shower or any other AOE when I'm attacking him as any person with half a brain would do, I'll have to fight through it or run away and do nothing.
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angmar_nite
Go to RA Tidus. Or your own original posts. Or the ideas of most wars or monks that i've talked to that are new to the game or bad at the game.
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus
How do you know that mending is used a lot?
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milkflopance
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
if he casts meteor shower or any other AOE when I'm attacking him as any person with half a brain would do, I'll have to fight through it or run away and do nothing.
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Also, what are you doing away from your team?
HawkofStorms
Fire magic also has NO utility. It is all offensive. Compare it to the other elements. Air does less damage but has blind. Water does less damage but has snares. Earth does less damage but has defensive buffs.
Fire has.... burning.
And yes, you can walk out of meteor shower. Unless of course you are snared or using flail/dyolk signet (which are big no-nos in PvP).
Fire has.... burning.
And yes, you can walk out of meteor shower. Unless of course you are snared or using flail/dyolk signet (which are big no-nos in PvP).
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by milkflopance
No, any person with half a brain would not be using meteor shower in pvp.
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Well, asides from that one time, yeeah - MS is utter shit for PvP.
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Unless of course you are snared or using flail/dyolk signet (which are big no-nos in PvP).
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but a hammer guy would have the ele on his ass and therefore wouldn't care about his spells 
Sir Tidus
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Go to RA Tidus. Or your own original posts. Or the ideas of most wars or monks that i've talked to that are new to the game or bad at the game.
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BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
Darkobra
Well they would win, if the enemy was stupid enough to stand for the full 9 seconds in a meteor shower.
Mystica
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?
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3 seconds...that's a lot of time in PvP (exclude AB).
The funny thing is that all PvE players know the hydra animantion for a meteor after farming around Augury for months/years. But you do not bother to look at an elementalist casting a 5 seconds spell? 5 SECONDS! You do not even have to realize it the first moment but an ele with his/her hands up for 5 seconds is not using the "Go Team" emote. And ever noticed the ground animation before a Meteor Shower strikes? Ever thought about not staying there looking for a mole that could cause all the dust? Plenty of time to interrupt it and plenty of time to move out of the affected area before or after the first Meteor striks. Same goes for most of the Fire magic AoE spells. I'd really like to know where some people pay attention while playing. Are you looking on your skillbar for skills to recharge? Watch the animations or move.
The only reasons people use Fire in AB (other then some of the horrible arguments mentioned in this thread) are to kill minions cause their reaction to AoE damage is only slightly better then the average human or to nuke shrines.
Other than that, every human player with enough health to survive one meteor that manages to get killed in a Shower without a bodyblock or extreme snares (water 90% go go go) needs to be kicked immediatly.
And since when does water suck? 90% speed reduction and blindness in form of hexes? Awesome! Best part is that most people in PvP do not even call them for others to remove so you have a good chance that your hex lasts the full duration other then "BACKFIRE ON 6 BACKFIRE ON 6 OMG REMOVE FFS I CANT CAST ANYMORE".
To sum this up...yes...you are bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage. No offense though. You might find one or two helpful ideas in my post to do better next time.
OSUJay
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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milkflopance
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Originally Posted by OSUJay
In what situation are you fighting 1 vs 1? Even in a 1 vs 1 situation you could easily interrupt a Meteor Shower since it has a 5 second cast time.
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Risus
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Originally Posted by rike1
Fire is probably the strongest, but there are other good builds out there.
They don't have the degen burning does, but lightning builds can be strong and powerful and earth builds are more for defense while dishing out small damage. I think water sucks though ^_^ |
Also, fire ele's arn't overpowered. Compared to all other attributes, fire has NO skills that will either cause missing, decrease damage taken, or slow them down.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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Or run in and interrupt it, 5 seconds is actually quite a long time...
It seems your reflexes are just horrible, good day.
P.S -- This is a team game. And Warriors output more DPS, even WITHOUT relying on stupidity.
Risus
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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Zena Starlight
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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
This thread is funny as hell.... I guess fire eles would be overpowered if everyone was tooooooo damn stupid to move out of the way.
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Edit: Oh this wasn't meant to be offensive towards anyone, just an observation I made.
DarkGanni
If I remember correctly gaile said it herself they expect alot of firepower from fire magic. Fire Magic is the most used element by players imo but doesnt mean its overpowered, if we make it this way that means curses are overpowered due to the millions of SS necros
- Ganni
- Ganni
magicman117
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Originally Posted by Zena Starlight
Too bad a great deal of the population is too stupid to move away. I really love how all the pre-searing cadets seem to think fire is overpowered.
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angmar_nite
It's not an opinion. It's a matter of fact. D-shot is overpowered. MS is not.
explodemyheart
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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If gets glyph sacced or half casted, you still have time to react and move out of it unless you have terrible reaction time (which appears to be the problem). Even if you take damage from the initial hit, as soon as your ass stands back up, MOVE. You're knocked down every THREE seconds.
At this point, with everybody against you and nobody on your side, wouldn't a normal person be asking themselves if maybe all these people were correct and you did not, in fact, know what you were talking about?
Zena Starlight
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Originally Posted by magicman117
So even if you bought this game the day it came out, and stuck with the game throught out the entire time it's been around, and just recently made an account on guildwarsguru, does that make them a noob to you?
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DarkFlame
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Originally Posted by magicman117
I just think that Guild Wars should make all elements close to each other, with their own specialties.
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Water has snares, aoe snares, +AL and blinding.
Earth has wards, aoe KD and +AL.
Fire has aoe and burning. And 2 kds that aren't worth mentioning. Only 13 fire spells cause burning, of those 5 can be negated by moving around and 2 are conditional Elites. Of those that are left, only one causes burning for more then 3 seconds(of five total). If anything Fire has the short end of the stick.
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Originally Posted by magicman117
Not only does earths special of knock down occur with earth magic, But fire can knock down too! YAY
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win.
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Alex the Great
in all honesty, unless the meteor shower was glyph of sacced, a warrior would have the ele almost dead before it finished casting (this assumes you already have adrenaline)
so lets see
-ele casts meteor shower
--warrior is attacking, runs away and pulls out furious spear to build adren
-ele finishes casting
--warrior goes in and executes axe combo
-ele kites
--warrior uses bull's strike
-ele dies
this exact situation happened to me today when i decided to go to Ab and see if fire ele's where really that common, and yes there were a lot of them.
so lets see
-ele casts meteor shower
--warrior is attacking, runs away and pulls out furious spear to build adren
-ele finishes casting
--warrior goes in and executes axe combo
-ele kites
--warrior uses bull's strike
-ele dies
this exact situation happened to me today when i decided to go to Ab and see if fire ele's where really that common, and yes there were a lot of them.
BroodingEvil
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Originally Posted by explodemyheart
If you're fighting 1v1, that means, presumably, that you have the person targeted and can watch what spells they're casting. Unless MS is glyph sacced, it takes 5 seconds to cast. That means that in those 5 seconds you can watch it casting the spell and then MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Like, omg. The meteor shower doesn't follow you wherever you go? Blasphemy!
If gets glyph sacced or half casted, you still have time to react and move out of it unless you have terrible reaction time (which appears to be the problem). Even if you take damage from the initial hit, as soon as your ass stands back up, MOVE. You're knocked down every THREE seconds. At this point, with everybody against you and nobody on your side, wouldn't a normal person be asking themselves if maybe all these people were correct and you did not, in fact, know what you were talking about? |
Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range.
Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
I'm done, I was talking about Warrior versus elementalist and you keep bringing up a team. I'm saying that 1v1 Warrior Versus Fire elementalist, Fire tends to win. You can ramble on about teams all you want.
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masta_yoda
fire: best aoe damage
earth: defensive skills, [wards, eruption,unsteady etc, weakness]
lightning: best spike dmg
water: good for snare,quite a few defensive skills
earth: defensive skills, [wards, eruption,unsteady etc, weakness]
lightning: best spike dmg
water: good for snare,quite a few defensive skills
explodemyheart
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
First of all: Even if i were to move away, the elementalist could simply go into the area in which the spell was cast and continue to cast from there, it's not as if fire has nothing but AOE.
Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range. |
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it.
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Musei Karasu
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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil
First of all: Even if i were to move away, the elementalist could simply go into the area in which the spell was cast and continue to cast from there, it's not as if fire has nothing but AOE.
Second: You fail to mention that you are knocked down for at least 1 second. Yes i realize that gives you 2 secondes to leave, however a smart Elementalist will have a way to root you. If that is not the case, i'm still on the outside of the AOE and they are safely out of my range. Third: Going by that logic, Galileo should have thought the world was flat, and all of Deutschland should have been Nazis...etcetera etcetera. I suppose I'm not a normal person and am damn proud of it. |
I'll volunteer for that FYI.
jhu
well the obvious answer is to cast meteor shower yourself! i prefer to give crippled first using hamstring and then follow up with meteor shower myself.