Ok explain this to me.

Personally the only down side to [tiger stance] is the recharge. I generally know what targets have blocking in PvE so I can avoid them. If they block then it doesnt matter what IAS your using. Since I rarely every carry [wild blow] or enchant removal I tend to pick targets I know cant block, or that I can interupt thier blocking skill.

For me I get the 33% IAS up instantly when I need it, no need to build adren, the down side is with a 10sec duration and 20 sec recharge it might not be there every time I want it.

On the flip side if I run [Enraging charge] and [Flail], if the target blocks or dies and I need to move after another target I have to have a 3rd skill(cancel stance) or wait for Enraging Charge to be availible. ummm... you gotta be kidding me. yes target switching is good, but when you run into Aegis, Defensive Anthem, Ward vs Melee, etc than a lot of targets will have block. you also forgot blind and miss hexes(price of failure, blurred vision, etc)
using Flail on anything but a Hammer is suicide, you'll get stuck in your own snare unable to hit anything. the only reason it's used with Hammers is because Flail is always followed by a knockdown, and as you know you cant kite when you're sitting on your butt. also on a regular Sword/Axe bar the extra skill slot used for a double speed boost stance is 1 skill wasted on an already tight bar. Hammer bars are less tight than Sword/Axe bars which is why you can fit 3 stances in the first place. and without the 2nd cancel stance Flail is really FAIL.

Sins shouldn't use it either, it's still gimping their chain over a skill like [tiger stance], even if it's just the base dagger damage, thats still damage that you're essentially cheating yourself out of. Depends on their combo. Flurry has got 100% upkeep, TS 25%. A SA sin can repeat their combo constantly, Flurry seems to be a better choice then. For a Shadow Prison sin with a attack combo recharge of 15 seconds, Tiger's stance is better.

You could use frenzy in PvE as long as you are care full with it and use sprint as your cancel stance. QFT

The general idea here is, if you ping your build, and you have Frenzy in it, but you don't have Rush or Sprint, they will think you are an idiot. People like Rush better because once you charge it, it's available and recharging quickly while you Frenzy. That's good.

If you cancel with Sprint, and Frenzy again, you can be stuck waiting for Sprint to recharge. That's bad, so be careful. I use Sprint as a cancel stance in a few builds, because I like my movement bonus available at all times.

The only restriction on using Frenzy in PvE is DON'T USE IT WHEN YOU ARE GETTING HIT. But when the mob is beating on your monk, you might wanna kick it up a notch.

And tell the monk to kite.

Flurry still increases your warriors auto attacking DPS. It also doesn't effect attack skills. It's not the best, but certainly not the worst. Yeah, increased speed and a little bit more damage. It would have been nicer if it lasted longer. If I didn't need a speed boost, I'd almost consider it for a cancel stance for frenzy.

Probably the only time I'd willingly use [[Frenzy] these days, in PvE since I don't PvP, would be with an R/W - probably with [[Lightning Reflexes] or [[Dryder's Defenses], depending if I've split into Wilderness Survival, for occasional use when something gets close (yeah, I know, redundancy is bad, but in this case I'd be looking at LR as a blocking Stance since it can't be kept up constantly for decent IAS). Why use that when you got Tiger's Furry and or Lighting Reflexes as they are both IAS and one is a blocking stance as well?

The best reason as I forgot to mention if you don't have room for For Great Justice is Frenzy as it will help build up adrenaline.I only use it on castor mobs say like Kournan oppressed with suffering or priests.

Tiger's Fury is 10e, 25% IAS and you need high beast mastery to keep it up for a good duration. It's crap. That is what Iway Warriors used it though go tell that to your Mathteacher.They liked Iway.

That is what Iway Warriors used it though go tell that to your Mathteacher.They liked Iway. Yes, IWAY ran it. It's a shame we aren't talking about IWAY, though. IWAY also ran OoA at one point, but that doesn't mean shit.

It's a crappy IAS. Saying IWAY ran it doesn't justify it being good.

As for the bows thing... never seen bows. Furious spears, however, are used occasionally. Bows were used in oldschool IWAY before Nightfall.

Yes, IWAY ran it. It's a shame we aren't talking about IWAY, though. IWAY also ran OoA at one point, but that doesn't mean shit.

It's a crappy IAS. Saying IWAY ran it doesn't justify it being good. back when IWAY used [[Tiger's Fury] it was 33% IAS instead of just 25%, and it stacked with the IAS from IWAY, which resulted in a whole different level of taking a beating.

What's the deal with [rush] and [frenzy]. Why do so many of you put those in your bars.

I'm getting tired of people flaming me and saying I'm stupid when they obviously support using skills that *I* find inferior.

Seriously. Explain this logic. If you're just going to post saying "you're a dumbass" or something then don't bother posting because for once I'm asking for a REASON. Frenzy for IAS w/o adrenaline/speed lost = agressive, powerful warrior
Rush to cancel Frenzy when you see a spike coming/taking lots of damage.

I wanted to bring up [Berserker Stance] and [Tiger Stance]. How about those two? Would those work for PvP, or rather why are they inferior to Frenzy?
because they can't be kept up permenantly. Tigers is short and often ends early, and berserkers can't be used to spike, because it ends as soon as you use evis!