Is it okay to buy expensive items for cheap from noobs?
Powerful White Man
As title says~
fog_of_redoubt
Yes, it is up to them to research prices before selling... If they choose not to, then that is their fault.
WhyAreThereNames
It depends, if you know the noob, you should inform them. If you aren't buying from them, then it might be nice if you if you inform them. It all depends on the situation.
Unholy Tank V
I agree that it is ok, if they can't take the time to type two words into Guru search then you can take it if u want
Celestial_Kitsune
No. You should tell the person a better estimate of the item price. For example, selling Mini Polar Bear for 40K was not a very good choice. Someone should have warned the person. We already have lots of abuse in real life, don't spread it to GW.
Molock
Why not? When I was a newb I took the time to come and check forums for pricing to make sure I didn't get screwed over. If people don't want to do that its their own problem.
cellardweller
Depends if you're an arse or not
GaaaaaH
Depends on how big the difference is
Arkantos
Why not? It's their fault they didn't research the item first. People need to be less ignorant.
$hade.
Lol I never do that. I'm not that mean >.< . I'ma more of a "Give expensive items away for cheap to noobs" kinda guy :/ .
Powerful White Man
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Originally Posted by $hade.
Lol I never do that. I'm not that mean >.< . I'ma more of a "Give expensive items away for cheap to noobs" kinda guy :/ .
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So you're like an ATM? Get used for money, and never appreciated?
Haha, sucks for you.
Snow Bunny
If they wasted enough time to get that item, they obviously have enough time to go get another.
$hade.
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So you're like an ATM? Get used for money, and never appreciated?
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mr_stealth
Its up to the person to find out how much its worth. A quick google search would direct them here, which should allow them to at least get a ballpark figure. Or just asking guild/alliance members
IMO, its wrong for someone to give a very low PC with the intention of buying the item. But if the person is advertising low, or willing to accept a low offer, go for it.
IMO, its wrong for someone to give a very low PC with the intention of buying the item. But if the person is advertising low, or willing to accept a low offer, go for it.
matsif
if I saw someone selling an item I wanted for a really low price from a noob, I would jump all over it and not care. sry, but thats the way the market works, look up prices if you wanna make the money.
ShadowsRequiem
Everyone is a greedy son of a bitch these days..... who doesnt want to follow them!
rike1
Its called smart trading.
A deal is a deal, no matter who is selling it.
A deal is a deal, no matter who is selling it.
Personette
not ok.
but that's how bazaar economies are.
but that's how bazaar economies are.
RavagerOfDreams
depends on the lvl of noobishness
if were talking lvl 16 sin who just started playing got some q815^50 daggs and wants to sell em for 5k then i would say no
anything else besides a complete noob its cool though
if were talking lvl 16 sin who just started playing got some q815^50 daggs and wants to sell em for 5k then i would say no
anything else besides a complete noob its cool though
Egwene Tyr
I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one.
I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please"
I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's".
But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya.
There's my $0.01
Tyr
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one.
I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please"
I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's".
But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya.
There's my $0.01
Tyr
Teh [prefession]-zorz
Yes considering ive done my own fair share of Powerselling >.>
Darkobra
Yes it is. They should research the price and as long as you're paying what they're asking for, there's no harm done.
Of course if they're selling something I want for WAY too cheap, I tend to throw a bit more cash in. I still get my item cheap and they get more than what they asked for.
Of course if they're selling something I want for WAY too cheap, I tend to throw a bit more cash in. I still get my item cheap and they get more than what they asked for.
Golgotha
Uh, no. At worst I'll give him some extra gold to account for 75% of the item's worth. My crutch is that I apparently have morality and a soul. Something that seems to be ever-so-rare in these parts. They are only items in a game for christ's sake.
Arkantos
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I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one. I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please" I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's". But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya. There's my $0.01 Tyr |
If anything, the only thing that you take advantage of in this situation is someones ignorance. If they want to sell something for a price lower than what it's worth instead of doing a little bit of research, that's their fault. Whether they've been playing for a month or since release, they're being ignorant, and it's their fault.
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And you're right, they are only items in a game. Who cares what they're sold for? The money they are bought with is only money in a game for Christ's sake.
Kikuta
When I picked up the game a week after release, my second drop was a black dye in Pre-Searing. Not wanting to dye my armor black, I traded it to someone for a blue dye. AFTER the trade, he called me a noob many times and informed me of the incredibly value of black dye. He even took his gloating to local chat, and half of Foible's Fair joined in the jeering.
As such, I've made sure I've never ripped off anyone that clearly doesn't know what they're doing. I've been offered weapons of 100k+e values for less than 20k plenty of times, and I let each person know what they SHOULD be selling them for. I even sit in Spamadan and Liar's Arch and read through the party search list, informing people of the mistakes they're making in the advertised trade values for their items. That's how awesome I am.
As such, I've made sure I've never ripped off anyone that clearly doesn't know what they're doing. I've been offered weapons of 100k+e values for less than 20k plenty of times, and I let each person know what they SHOULD be selling them for. I even sit in Spamadan and Liar's Arch and read through the party search list, informing people of the mistakes they're making in the advertised trade values for their items. That's how awesome I am.
BladeDVD
What I think sucks is people who hang out in low level areas and target people who are still trying to learn the game. Buying dyes for low prices because new players haven't seen a dye trader yet, or spamming for imperial credits at much less than market prices.
But if you are in a trading district, then you know you are in a "store." I see people asking for price checks in all chat all the time. If the above is not enough of a hint that you should try to do some research before selling, well, it's not anyone else's responsibility to figure out why you set the price you did.
But if you are in a trading district, then you know you are in a "store." I see people asking for price checks in all chat all the time. If the above is not enough of a hint that you should try to do some research before selling, well, it's not anyone else's responsibility to figure out why you set the price you did.
Articus Red
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Originally Posted by Egwene Tyr
I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one. I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please" I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's". But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya. There's my $0.01 Tyr |
dunky_g
I wouldnt do it personally, but im not going to say that people doing it are 'naughty 
' as i dont really care what other people do, depends how you view the situation.
' as i dont really care what other people do, depends how you view the situation.
Articus Red
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When I picked up the game a week after release, my second drop was a black dye in Pre-Searing. Not wanting to dye my armor black, I traded it to someone for a blue dye. AFTER the trade, he called me a noob many times and informed me of the incredibly value of black dye. He even took his gloating to local chat, and half of Foible's Fair joined in the jeering.
As such, I've made sure I've never ripped off anyone that clearly doesn't know what they're doing. I've been offered weapons of 100k+e values for less than 20k plenty of times, and I let each person know what they SHOULD be selling them for. I even sit in Spamadan and Liar's Arch and read through the party search list, informing people of the mistakes they're making in the advertised trade values for their items. That's how awesome I am. |
Same thing had happened to my friend as well. He got a black dye in Pre-Searing and this was way back when the game had first come out and he didn't know what it was worth and didn't want to dye anything of his armor black so he sold it to someone for 75g only to find out how much it was worth later on.
Celestial_Kitsune
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I have morality and a soul too. But I don't see whats wrong with buying an item from someone who is ignorant.
And you're right, they are only items in a game. Who cares what they're sold for? The money they are bought with is only money in a game for Christ's sake. |
It does not matter if it is in game money or not, it is the principle itself.
Darkobra
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You are taking advantage of a person. Would you buy an expensive antique for cheap from a poor old woman who is completely ignorant of its true price?
It does not matter if it is in game money or not, it is the principle itself. |
The old woman needs money to live and get by in the world. Taking advantage of the weak and needy is obviously the moral wrong thing to do. But taking advantage of someone who has all the resources sitting in front of them and they choose not to use them is an entirely seperate thing.
Red Sand
To those of you who take care of new players and choose not to take advantage of them, I give you my sincere admiration.
To those of you who exploit newbies for your personal gain, virtual or not, it's a sign of your character: REPENT.
If you decide to continue with your wicked ways, I hope your freaking motherboards catch fire you self centered jerks.
Oh. Have a nice day.
To those of you who exploit newbies for your personal gain, virtual or not, it's a sign of your character: REPENT.
If you decide to continue with your wicked ways, I hope your freaking motherboards catch fire you self centered jerks.
Oh. Have a nice day.
Arkantos
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You are taking advantage of a person. Would you buy an expensive antique for cheap from a poor old woman who is completely ignorant of its true price?
It does not matter if it is in game money or not, it is the principle itself. |
In Guild Wars, you go to a web site and ask a question, or browse and look how much your item is worth. In real life, what do you do? You can't go around searching for how much the item has been sold for, it's a rare antique. You can go around asking people, but it's much easier to be scammed in real life then it is to be scammed in a game.
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arsie
Actually, all trade is about exploiting someone's lack of knowledge, ingame or outside. Who is to judge what is wrong or right? Is it ok for you to make 10% profit? What about 300% profit?
Your shoes cost you $70, but the factory worker got paid $5 to make it. If you could buy that shoe for $5 from the worker, you would. If the worker could sell the shoe direct to you for $70, he would. So the middleman trades upon both your lack of information and brings both of you together for $65 - operation costs.
People make their decisions to their best of their knowledge, the lesser the knowledge, the lousier the decision. It is up to you whether you want to increase their knowledge or not. Buying a Superior Vigor rune for 1000g might just be the impetus to start a life of learning for the seller. Who knows what is the best thing to do?
Your shoes cost you $70, but the factory worker got paid $5 to make it. If you could buy that shoe for $5 from the worker, you would. If the worker could sell the shoe direct to you for $70, he would. So the middleman trades upon both your lack of information and brings both of you together for $65 - operation costs.
People make their decisions to their best of their knowledge, the lesser the knowledge, the lousier the decision. It is up to you whether you want to increase their knowledge or not. Buying a Superior Vigor rune for 1000g might just be the impetus to start a life of learning for the seller. Who knows what is the best thing to do?
Aera Lure
Is it ok? No, not in my opinion. Not if they're off by a considerable factor. Its ok to buy things cheap in a poor economy, but not ok to take advantage of someone, imho.
stale
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Originally Posted by Egwene Tyr
I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one. I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please" I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's". But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya. There's my $0.01 Tyr |
quite simply, if it's someone who's new, then common decency (something that's lacking in the microcosm that is guru) should have you give them at least a ballpark of what the item is worth.
and just maybe you should point them toward guru auctions, and the wiki (the unofficial, good wiki, not the other crap) and show them the light, as it were.
now, having said that, i'll acknowledge that many GW players have the ethics of lawyers or politicians. as it is, i'll keep looking out for the new guy, helping him get less new.
and as a thought for you folks who are so proud of yourselves for having screwed the new guy - remember, without new folks, the game dies. simple that. if GW gets a reputation for game you don't want to play, Anet stops making money, and those servers we use get turned off.
just a thought.
Yuhe Ji
I think if they're offering to sell for a low price, it's fine, but if you know they're a newb and you offer a low price for their perfect r8 weapon, it's not so great.
Alex the Great
i would tell them the real price of the item.....after i bought it ofc!!
Celestial_Kitsune
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But taking advantage of someone who has all the resources sitting in front of them and they choose not to use them is an entirely seperate thing.
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
There's a fine line between doing something in a game and doing something in real life, and I do believe you have crossed that line.
In Guild Wars, you go to a web site and ask a question, or browse and look how much your item is worth. In real life, what do you do? You can't go around searching for how much the item has been sold for, it's a rare antique. You can go around asking people, but it's much easier to be scammed in real life then it is to be scammed in a game. Yes, I'm a self centered jerk because I'm taking advantage of someones ignorance in an online game, where it's easy to research prices. Thanks for that unnecessary insult. |
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Actually, all trade is about exploiting someone's lack of knowledge, ingame or outside. Who is to judge what is wrong or right? Is it ok for you to make 10% profit? What about 300% profit?
Your shoes cost you $70, but the factory worker got paid $5 to make it. If you could buy that shoe for $5 from the worker, you would. If the worker could sell the shoe direct to you for $70, he would. So the middleman trades upon both your lack of information and brings both of you together for $65 - operation costs. People make their decisions to their best of their knowledge, the lesser the knowledge, the lousier the decision. It is up to you whether you want to increase their knowledge or not. Buying a Superior Vigor rune for 1000g might just be the impetus to start a life of learning for the seller. Who knows what is the best thing to do? |
The Red Messenger
reminds me of the first black dye i got in pre...sold for 100g to a happy spammer. i got my first ID kit tho =)
yeah ripping people off is allright as long as your concience can take it.
I personally do not. However, people always have, and always will. You cant go around warning people about it...its just how the world is.
yeah ripping people off is allright as long as your concience can take it.
I personally do not. However, people always have, and always will. You cant go around warning people about it...its just how the world is.