Nice community. Prey on the ignorants and then blame it on them.
Wouldn't it be better if you actually HELPED someone instead of taking advantage? Lots of players don't know about wiki or fansites; tell them.
They might actually stick around and help populate this dying game.
Is it okay to buy expensive items for cheap from noobs?
Dawgboy
Holly Herro
Absolutely not.
Just because they can open up a page and go find the price etc doesn't mean they should have to =/ what if they don't know about these kinds of websites? This doesn't mean you should take advantage of these people >___<
Just because they can open up a page and go find the price etc doesn't mean they should have to =/ what if they don't know about these kinds of websites? This doesn't mean you should take advantage of these people >___<
RedStar
I may sound evil by saying that, but if you are going to sell something then do some researches on the price of that item.
If you are not going to buy it, then you should maybe tell them the real price.
Also : do you find it okay to sell a item over their normal price to someone ? it's the same thing, if you want to buy something, do some researches.
If you are not going to buy it, then you should maybe tell them the real price.
Also : do you find it okay to sell a item over their normal price to someone ? it's the same thing, if you want to buy something, do some researches.
Darkobra
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Blaming the victim is not a sufficient justification of your actions. It does not matter how easy it is to find the price of the item, it does not matter whether it is in game money or not. It is a matter of a principle.
The OP mentions buying expensive item for cheap. |
But who am I to blame? I'm just the victim.
As for being new, let's not try to fight ignorance with ignorance. When I was new, or when I am currently new in ANY game, I ask. I research. I don't dive head first and leave my pockets ripe for picking. That's just stupid.
Bottom line, it's a grey area. Giving someone the money they're asking for is NOT scamming them. If they feel they can get more, they can feel free to ask for more.
Now to wait for a few people to take out a few subjective words and make it out as if I worship the devil himself.
Malice Black
It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.
As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.
Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.
As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.
Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.
Toxage
If someone is selling an item for a good deal, why would I refuse? They are selling it cheaply because that is how much THEY want. If they wanted more then they would have asked for more. I don't understand how purchasing something for someone's asking price is being "mean"?
Let's use real life in this example. If a car dealership was going to sell you a convertible sports car for $1,000 would you complain? Of course not!
Note : I am only ok with people purchasing items for a low value if the new player party sets the price, or accepts your offer.
I don't think it is ok to lie to a player to get the item you desire you a lower price. I.E in a Underworld Pug to get my HOM monument a warrior tried to purchase someone's ecto for 100 gold, calling it worthless, that isn't right.
Let's use real life in this example. If a car dealership was going to sell you a convertible sports car for $1,000 would you complain? Of course not!
Note : I am only ok with people purchasing items for a low value if the new player party sets the price, or accepts your offer.
I don't think it is ok to lie to a player to get the item you desire you a lower price. I.E in a Underworld Pug to get my HOM monument a warrior tried to purchase someone's ecto for 100 gold, calling it worthless, that isn't right.
StormDragonZ
Best example from me was when I bought a Mini Shiro and Mini Koss Undedicated for 13k combined. I told the person afterwords that they're worth much more than that. He responded back saying he knew that, but it mattered little to him. He didn't care for minis and felt like someone who really wanted them could have them for as low as he sold them for.
In the end, some people just sell stuff they dislike or hate for much less.
In the end, some people just sell stuff they dislike or hate for much less.
Powerful White Man
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I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.
I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one. I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please" I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's". But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya. There's my $0.01 Tyr |
Celestial_Kitsune
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Bottom line, it's a grey area. Giving someone the money they're asking for is NOT scamming them. If they feel they can get more, they can feel free to ask for more.
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It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.
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As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.
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Let's use real life in this example. If a car dealership was going to sell you a convertible sports car for $1,000 would you complain? Of course not!
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Toxage
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Some people would complain. |
Your just attempting to be argumentative. You are making a pathetic attempt to troll the forums, just leave.
kthxbye
Dr Strangelove
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It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.
As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem. Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone. |
Smile Like Umean It
Do I think it's okay? Yes.
The seller sets the price for the items they want to sell. End of. How they reached that amount, as long as they weren't deceived, doesn't matter.
At the same time if they can't take out a little time to research the correct amount then that right there shows how much they care about the price.
And lastly, I've sold things for really low prices before if not just flat out gave them away. I don't use them, I don't want them and it's not always about making bank on a trade. So, how am I or any one else supposed to know they aren't just being nice?
Side note: Why do people always use the term "noob" incorrectly? It's pretty much lost all meaning to me.
The seller sets the price for the items they want to sell. End of. How they reached that amount, as long as they weren't deceived, doesn't matter.
At the same time if they can't take out a little time to research the correct amount then that right there shows how much they care about the price.
And lastly, I've sold things for really low prices before if not just flat out gave them away. I don't use them, I don't want them and it's not always about making bank on a trade. So, how am I or any one else supposed to know they aren't just being nice?
Side note: Why do people always use the term "noob" incorrectly? It's pretty much lost all meaning to me.
Kashrlyyk
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Why not? When I was a newb I took the time to come and check forums for pricing to make sure I didn't get screwed over. If people don't want to do that its their own problem.
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Celestial_Kitsune
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No, no one would complain. If a car dealership offering you a libergine for $1000, NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN. Even in the event you didn't desire the car, you could just flip it for a enormous profit.
Your just attempting to be argumentative. You are making a pathetic attempt to troll the forums, just leave. kthxbye |
Darkobra
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It is scamming when the seller does not know the price and the buyer gains significant amount.
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Do you want me to bring up the two years of being a player mod in an online game, or do you want me to just crack open the dictionary definitions? Either way, you're wrong.
Don't know why I bother posting more than a line. We all know you'll just take it out of context and try to defend yourself in a losing battle. Ah well. Free entertainment is never to be scorned at.
RedStar
It's not but come on, it's their choice...
It may be taking advantage on someone, but it's not like someone would be dumb enough to sell a mini panda for 5k (and if they did, how dare they ? they should have sold it to me xD).
My point is : it's not like you are scamming them or taking advantage of their lack of knowledge. Because if you have find an expensive weapon you should already know by then that it isn't worth 1k (unless someone gave it to you).
It may be taking advantage on someone, but it's not like someone would be dumb enough to sell a mini panda for 5k (and if they did, how dare they ? they should have sold it to me xD).
My point is : it's not like you are scamming them or taking advantage of their lack of knowledge. Because if you have find an expensive weapon you should already know by then that it isn't worth 1k (unless someone gave it to you).
Kashrlyyk
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No, it's scamming when the buyer LIES about the price and deceives the seller. This is the seller offering a price and the buyer agreeing to it in a mutual trade.
Do you want me to bring up the two years of being a player mod in an online game, or do you want me to just crack open the dictionary definitions? Either way, you're wrong. Don't know why I bother posting more than a line. We all know you'll just take it out of context and try to defend yourself in a losing battle. Ah well. Free entertainment is never to be scorned at. |
There are enough court sentences that say otherwise.
Pleikki
It aint OK imo.. there are many ppl that say to noobs "yeah that item sucks, but hey i got strange taste and i want it, Change it to this purple bow"
It isnt never right cheat others.
It isnt never right cheat others.
Celestial_Kitsune
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No, it's scamming when the buyer LIES about the price and deceives the seller. This is the seller offering a price and the buyer agreeing to it in a mutual trade.
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This might not be considered scamming according to your definitions, but it does not make it right.
Darkobra
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It is fine when the seller knows the true price and still decides to sell the items cheaply. It is wrong when the seller does not know the true price. Would you buy a black dye for 100g when the seller does not know about the true price?
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So this is the last time I'll repeat myself. The seller has all the resources available to him. It is not a difficult thing to ask. I have done it and I continue to do it across all games. It is not a scam to give him the EXACT amount he's asking for. You haven't lied to him in any way or given him less than what he's asked for.
For any other questions that you seem to be repeating, read over the first few pages again and again. Look for your answers. You have all the resources available to you.
There's karma for you.
HawkofStorms
There is a difference between looking to scam somebody (spamming wtb black dye for 100g)
And being offered a deal from a noob (I'll sell you this green item for 40k less then it is worth).
One you are trying to pray on people. The other... well, if the guy is willing to sell you something, he should have looked up their value before he makes an offer.
And being offered a deal from a noob (I'll sell you this green item for 40k less then it is worth).
One you are trying to pray on people. The other... well, if the guy is willing to sell you something, he should have looked up their value before he makes an offer.
wilderness
Player A has a q8 15^50 Fellblade drop for him
Player A goes to town, spams sword for 50k
Player B buys it
Nothing wrong with that.
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Player A has q8 -5:20% +30 emblazoned defender drop for him
Player A spams for offer
Player B offers 20k
Player A sells for 20k
Nothing wrong with that, either.
There's no scam involved at all, the seller agrees to the offer and accepts the trade. All the resources are there for players to educated themselves with so there's no one to blame but yourself if you sell an item for under it's market value.
Player A goes to town, spams sword for 50k
Player B buys it
Nothing wrong with that.
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Player A has q8 -5:20% +30 emblazoned defender drop for him
Player A spams for offer
Player B offers 20k
Player A sells for 20k
Nothing wrong with that, either.
There's no scam involved at all, the seller agrees to the offer and accepts the trade. All the resources are there for players to educated themselves with so there's no one to blame but yourself if you sell an item for under it's market value.
Celestial_Kitsune
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You haven't lied to him in any way or given him less than what he's asked for.
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There is a difference between looking to scam somebody (spamming wtb black dye for 100g)
And being offered a deal from a noob (I'll sell you this green item for 40k less then it is worth). |
kratimas
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There's a fine line between doing something in a game and doing something in real life
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Then how long do you think it will be until your morals fail in real life?
Just some food for thought.
Krat
wilderness
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But, if your morals can't even hold up in a game, which is supposed to be about having fun and good sportsmanship.
Then how long do you think it will be until your morals fail in real life? Just some food for thought. Krat |
o m g pizowned
who wouldn't buy a car worth 20grand for 5grand in real life?
Golgotha
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I have morality and a soul too. But I don't see whats wrong with buying an item from someone who is ignorant.
And you're right, they are only items in a game. Who cares what they're sold for? The money they are bought with is only money in a game for Christ's sake. |
Blame someone who's only been playing for maybe a day or two because of their "ignorance" = classic.
maraxusofk
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No. You should tell the person a better estimate of the item price. For example, selling Mini Polar Bear for 40K was not a very good choice. Someone should have warned the person. We already have lots of abuse in real life, don't spread it to GW.
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Zamochit
Buying something for a lower price than you think it is worth and then reselling it is pretty much the only way you can make a significant amount of money in this game.
If someone offers something at a lower price than you think its worth and you buy it:-:
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There is nothing wrong with this, its just good business.
If you ask someone how much they want for an item and they say "offer", you offer a lower price than you think it is worth and they accept :-:
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There is nothing wrong with this, it is just good business.
If someone asks you how much you think something is worth and you lie to them and tell them it is worth considerably less than you know it is; then proceed to buy it at this severely deflated price :-:
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You are a piece of crap and deserve to receive white non max raven staffs as your sole drops for all eternity.
If someone offers something at a lower price than you think its worth and you buy it:-:
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There is nothing wrong with this, its just good business.
If you ask someone how much they want for an item and they say "offer", you offer a lower price than you think it is worth and they accept :-:
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There is nothing wrong with this, it is just good business.
If someone asks you how much you think something is worth and you lie to them and tell them it is worth considerably less than you know it is; then proceed to buy it at this severely deflated price :-:
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You are a piece of crap and deserve to receive white non max raven staffs as your sole drops for all eternity.
manitoba1073
What I do is I let them know the price of the item then tell them where to check for further price checks in the future. I will not rip people off period. If you do rip people off in game then your big douchbag type.
There is a fine point to this though. Like has been mentioned before.
1. If sellers sets price and you tell them the actual price and they still wish to sell for that price then its good.
2. You WTB item for said price and seller brings an item at the price you want to buy then thats ok.
These are only if said items are in a reasonable range. If you are lowballing someone then you need a permaban.
There is a fine point to this though. Like has been mentioned before.
1. If sellers sets price and you tell them the actual price and they still wish to sell for that price then its good.
2. You WTB item for said price and seller brings an item at the price you want to buy then thats ok.
These are only if said items are in a reasonable range. If you are lowballing someone then you need a permaban.
RedStar
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Blame someone who's only been playing for maybe a day or two because of their "ignorance" = classic.
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Someone gave a req8 voltaic spear to them just like that and they decide to sell it for 5k to make some money ? or a Mini-Kanaxai and they thought that is was useless and decided to sell it for 100g ?
Sorry, but I would like to see a proof that it actually happened (and getting "scammed" for 5-10k isn't really big...).
Cammy
Markets are efficient. Information is freely available.
Nothing wrong with engaging in arbitrage.
Nothing wrong with engaging in arbitrage.
Kashrlyyk
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Markets are efficient. Information is freely available.
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No, even better "misleading advertising" could be removed too.
So why isn´t it??
Tarkin
Is it okay to buy expensive items for cheap from noobs?
black dye := 5k
WTB black dye 100g = wrong to me, you is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing scammer
WTS black dye 100g = wrong to me, normaly i pay more 2k*
WTS black dye 3k = ok to me, just a good deal...
*sometimes if someone is trying to sell something to cheap, i say its to cheap man... you can sell it for more... the real value of this is...
i forget how many times i go to old ascalon, monastery, kanadam to give away greens and max weapows for free, help with missions and have the chance to scamm others ppls and dont scamm them...
to the me this thread is about the line about scamm someone or make a good deal...
to me buy something very cheap and you kown the real price of it is a moral scamm... buy something cheap is not a scamm is a good deal, if someone is trying to sell something very very cheap and you offer more its not a scamm is a good deal...
black dye := 5k
WTB black dye 100g = wrong to me, you is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing scammer
WTS black dye 100g = wrong to me, normaly i pay more 2k*
WTS black dye 3k = ok to me, just a good deal...
*sometimes if someone is trying to sell something to cheap, i say its to cheap man... you can sell it for more... the real value of this is...
i forget how many times i go to old ascalon, monastery, kanadam to give away greens and max weapows for free, help with missions and have the chance to scamm others ppls and dont scamm them...
to the me this thread is about the line about scamm someone or make a good deal...
to me buy something very cheap and you kown the real price of it is a moral scamm... buy something cheap is not a scamm is a good deal, if someone is trying to sell something very very cheap and you offer more its not a scamm is a good deal...
Tarkin
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Buying something for a lower price than you think it is worth and then reselling it is pretty much the only way you can make a significant amount of money in this game.
If someone offers something at a lower price than you think its worth and you buy it:-: . There is nothing wrong with this, its just good business. If you ask someone how much they want for an item and they say "offer", you offer a lower price than you think it is worth and they accept :-: . There is nothing wrong with this, it is just good business. If someone asks you how much you think something is worth and you lie to them and tell them it is worth considerably less than you know it is; then proceed to buy it at this severely deflated price :-: . . You are a piece of crap and deserve to receive white non max raven staffs as your sole drops for all eternity. |
We need make a Thread about "offer"... WTF? if you dont kown the price of the fish i must kown? go to hell...
cataphract
Dear God, is this community full of money-grabbing douchebags or what? I'm disgusted at the majority of you here.
wilderness
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Dear God, is this community full of money-grabbing douchebags or what? I'm disgusted at the majority of you here.
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Or perhaps realize it really is just a game, that the resources to learn values of items are here and that it's a learning curve for us all.
And if this is something you're disgusted by:
'He say offer I say lower than the market and he accepts'
please, educate me why this is so bad?
cataphract
If it's just a game - why do you have to grief and steal from people? Don't have enough of bad things in RL or are you just numbed-down to a couch-potato IQ that you simply cannot fathom that it is not a matter where you take advantage of people, but that you do it and feel comfortable with it?
I don't. I can't. But then again, it wasn't my ancestors that bought Manhattan for a couple of beads and occupied a whole continent just because they could. Scamming and taking advantage from people is not hard-wired into me. I apologize. My bad.
I don't. I can't. But then again, it wasn't my ancestors that bought Manhattan for a couple of beads and occupied a whole continent just because they could. Scamming and taking advantage from people is not hard-wired into me. I apologize. My bad.
JR
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But, if your morals can't even hold up in a game, which is supposed to be about having fun and good sportsmanship.
Then how long do you think it will be until your morals fail in real life? Just some food for thought. Krat |
Would I do these things in real life? Of course!
O Nuxtofulakas
"ignorance kills"...your pocket too.
When you decide to enter the trade market you usually type "WTS..."
WTS means "want to sell"....it's not a "forced to sell" or "blackmailed to sell" or..don't know what...
From my POV there is no "right" or "wrong" price...trade has its own rules...
You sell/buy at an "accepted" price? you find buyer/seller quite fast.
You sell/buy at an "non accepted" price? you keep on spamming for hours....nice rule, isn't it?
i am sure at the end you learn your lesson 
if you don't know the value of what you sell, don't sell it....
if you don't respect your luck that gave you this item, why others should respect you?
When you decide to enter the trade market you usually type "WTS..."
WTS means "want to sell"....it's not a "forced to sell" or "blackmailed to sell" or..don't know what...
From my POV there is no "right" or "wrong" price...trade has its own rules...
You sell/buy at an "accepted" price? you find buyer/seller quite fast.
You sell/buy at an "non accepted" price? you keep on spamming for hours....nice rule, isn't it?
if you don't know the value of what you sell, don't sell it....
if you don't respect your luck that gave you this item, why others should respect you?