Is it okay to buy expensive items for cheap from noobs?
Bryant Again
I think he's just posting on the forums these days.
The Way Out
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I think he's just posting on the forums these days.
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Malice Black
I'm just visiting until something better (hopefully) comes out.
The Way Out
lol... my guild went from 90+ active to thirty in a matter of months. Everyone is dropping off and waiting for GW2. I moved back to linux and play Urban Terror in my spare time (when I am not hacking around). Anyhow, good to see you guys! Take care!
stale
you know what? it just comes down to your ability to live by the golden rule. apparently some of the community has an ethical code that makes politicians look GOOD. so be it.
thinking that i won't contribute to this thread anymore, since it has been seriously lowering my opinion of the general community.
thinking that i won't contribute to this thread anymore, since it has been seriously lowering my opinion of the general community.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by stale
you know what? it just comes down to your ability to live by the golden rule. apparently some of the community has an ethical code that makes politicians look GOOD. so be it.
thinking that i won't contribute to this thread anymore, since it has been seriously lowering my opinion of the general community. |
you are in my guild, in my Alliance, or on my friend's list. I play the game to win (in PvE and PvP) why would I warn a stranger about something they are selling me if I know I make a good profit off of the transaction? Sounds like the philosophy of a broke player.
Ctb
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Considering the sorry condition of PvP in GW the last year or so, it's kind of obvious which one of those options most people choose...
There are a lot of people here who seem to be under the misapprehension that there isn't a selfish component to altruism. If people didn't get anything out of being nice to each other, we probably wouldn't have evolved the ability to do it at all. Part of the reason Guild Wars has become such a crummy game is that too many people are nasty to each other in it all the time, or just out for themselves. If you don't foster some level of cooperation and communication in a game like this, the game dies.
Stop killing Guild Wars
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MithranArkanere
If they sell an item for low price and you can whisper them, you must warn them so they change the price. Anyone not doing so will go to hell, for being a liar and a traitor.
If the item is sold anonymously, the thing is different, of course. Since you cannot tell who is selling it, and if you don't buy it anyone else would do so, nothing can be done about it.
If the item is sold anonymously, the thing is different, of course. Since you cannot tell who is selling it, and if you don't buy it anyone else would do so, nothing can be done about it.
The Way Out
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
If they sell an item for low price and you can whisper them, you must warn them so they change the price. Anyone not doing so will go to hell, for being a liar and a traitor.
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It is down to the seller to do their research before selling. It isn't hard. Laziness shouldn't be rewarded.
R.Shayne
Morality is subjective. The question is would you take advantage of a new player, the answer is no, my conscious would not let me. Others have moral views that allow them to do anything they want as long as they don’t get caught.
For those that say it will come back to haunt them, no it will not because they lack moral values and will feel no guilt for their actions.
I find the merchants in town to be easier to trade with and much quicker. Guru auction site is behind them but takes too long to set up an auction so I only do it with rare items I would not want to destroy. Need to setup some auctions soon, my melee mule is full. Although had a guy I sold all my green items too for 1k each (don’t like greens and just want to get rid of them quickly) anybody want to take his place?
For those that say it will come back to haunt them, no it will not because they lack moral values and will feel no guilt for their actions.
I find the merchants in town to be easier to trade with and much quicker. Guru auction site is behind them but takes too long to set up an auction so I only do it with rare items I would not want to destroy. Need to setup some auctions soon, my melee mule is full. Although had a guy I sold all my green items too for 1k each (don’t like greens and just want to get rid of them quickly) anybody want to take his place?
Malice Black
I notice a trend here. The people who moan about being poor are also the people that don't take advantage of making a quick few k.
There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone.
There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone.
Lacroix
Is it fair? No. Is it nice? No. Do people still do it? Yes, yes they do.
The fact of the matter is, no amount of insults will make these people feel any differently. They're inherently bitter and unkind, or maybe something similar has happened to them, so they feel justified in doing it to others.
New players have no fault in not knowing the correct price. It's not. their. fault. I'm really ashamed at the majority of you, though you knowing that won't make you feel any worse.
But, hey! Go ahead, keep doing that. Have fun in life, and I am personally glad that I will never meet you - you're the reason why, no matter how hard I try, I lose faith in humanity.
The fact of the matter is, no amount of insults will make these people feel any differently. They're inherently bitter and unkind, or maybe something similar has happened to them, so they feel justified in doing it to others.
New players have no fault in not knowing the correct price. It's not. their. fault. I'm really ashamed at the majority of you, though you knowing that won't make you feel any worse.
But, hey! Go ahead, keep doing that. Have fun in life, and I am personally glad that I will never meet you - you're the reason why, no matter how hard I try, I lose faith in humanity.
Arkantos
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Awww. Do you want a cookie for having no self respect?
Blame someone who's only been playing for maybe a day or two because of their "ignorance" = classic. |
And yes, I'd like a cookie, because I'm apparently a bad guy for buying an item from someone for the price they are selling it for due to their ignorance.
Also, everyone needs to stop comparing this to real life. There is a huge difference between an online game and real life, and I'm sure people do things differently in online games then they do in real life. Personally I would buy an expensive item for cheap from someone in an online game, but I wouldn't do it in real life. So go ahead, relate that to real life all you want, it's not making you a better person, and it's certainly not affecting me at all.
kobey
How do you know if one is a new player (whats a new player anyway)?
How do you know if that guy is not a seasoned player but just lazy or ignorant? (He probably think he knows everything and do not need up-to-date price checks)
And by the time you finish chatting with him that the item is way under priced, he probably sold it to someone else. Or could it be that you wanted to buy but someone beat you to it. Then you come on here to QQ about how unethical that person is.
How do you know if that guy is not a seasoned player but just lazy or ignorant? (He probably think he knows everything and do not need up-to-date price checks)
And by the time you finish chatting with him that the item is way under priced, he probably sold it to someone else. Or could it be that you wanted to buy but someone beat you to it. Then you come on here to QQ about how unethical that person is.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
And yes, I'd like a cookie, because I'm apparently a bad guy for buying an item from someone for the price they are selling it for due to their ignorance.
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kobey
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Originally Posted by Lacroix
New players have no fault in not knowing the correct price. It's not. their. fault.
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carnage-runner
Selling Swordsmanship requirement 8 15% while health is above 50% +28 health Crystalline Sword of Fortitude It looks really cool and glass like.
12,000 gold.
Yea I bet you didn't think about pming me just now. someone is dumb enough to do something without any research it's there fault for looking stupid.
12,000 gold.
Yea I bet you didn't think about pming me just now. someone is dumb enough to do something without any research it's there fault for looking stupid.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I think people would call you a "bad guy" for not reminding them the item is worth more, not just for buying it.
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Lacroix
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Originally Posted by kobey
Yeah, shame on the shopkeeper for not telling them the price when they bought the game. Shame on their internet service provider. Shame on their Guild leader. The new players have no fault. They should be given the price guide list and a free crystalline sword for being new. Oh maybe lets give them the headpiece too for the fow armor.
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And, yes, sorry, that didn't really come out right. Of course, it IS their fault for not knowing it - yes. They're new. But... well, I don't know about you, but if gaming to you is THAT important, that you go out and find all of the price guides and builds and all of these lists about the game as soon as you start playing... well, that's you.
But I promise you a majority of the people aren't like that. I apologize, I'll admit an error - but buying from them doesn't make you an less of a jerk, I'm sorry to say.
Malice Black
I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...yeah lets see your ethics and morals hold up to that.
Buy Panda 100k - resell 1500ecto+xxx armbraces
PM the noob and tell then it's worth more...hmmm?!
Buy Panda 100k - resell 1500ecto+xxx armbraces
PM the noob and tell then it's worth more...hmmm?!
Ctb
Of course, there's also the fact that in a NORMAL online game you have a freaking auction house where you can get a good idea of the current going rate of different items.... it's hard to fault people coming into Guild Wars' completely cocked up trade system for having no clue how much things are worth when something labeled with a "value" of 312g could actually be sold for more plat than you can even carry on your character...
One must always remember that any individual facet of failure in the game currently is just one in a veritable sea of failure...
Obvious troll is obvious :\
Also, obvious troll in the followup is even more obvious.
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I notice a trend here. The people who moan about being poor are also the people that don't take advantage of making a quick few k.
There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone. |
Also, obvious troll in the followup is even more obvious.
Malice Black
Trolling? No
Pointing out a fact. Seeing as you didn't counter the argument, and instead came back with the trolling crap, I will presume I hit the nail on the head.
Pointing out a fact. Seeing as you didn't counter the argument, and instead came back with the trolling crap, I will presume I hit the nail on the head.
kobey
Perhaps we should rename the "High End" board to "Scammers" / "Unethical Trades" board since more than 70% of the items there are bought and resold (not drops).
Traders are called scammers back then in prophecies. There is a new name now: "Power Traders". (how nice). If you are still QQ-ing about how buying something for below market price is considered a scam or not ethical, heres an advice: MOVE ON, YOU ARE IN 2008 !!!
Traders are called scammers back then in prophecies. There is a new name now: "Power Traders". (how nice). If you are still QQ-ing about how buying something for below market price is considered a scam or not ethical, heres an advice: MOVE ON, YOU ARE IN 2008 !!!
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...yeah lets see your ethics and morals hold up to that.
Buy Panda 100k - resell 1500ecto+xxx armbraces PM the noob and tell then it's worth more...hmmm?! |
Let's face it. Money, whether it's real or virtual, brings greed. You're a Guild Wars player with 100k saving up for something and you see that offer, you're not going to say hey, that's worth over a million gold more. You're going to buy it. They were ignorant, oh well. I'm sure it would teach them to be a lot less ignorant.
But I'm sure people with a mini panda aren't that dumb, and that offer would never happen.
Nazar Razak
I dont see why this topic matters at all really. Its a game, it isnt real-life, who gives a crap about not having much online-money? Nobody in real-life is going to give you a pat on the back and a treat. It just isnt going to happen. I myself tend to under-sell my items and over-buy other peoples, not because i want some recognition, not because i want everyone to be my new friend, but because i actually enjoy helping out other people. Especially if it has no real price for me.
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I notice a trend here. The people who moan about being poor are also the people that don't take advantage of making a quick few k.
There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone. |
Think I am leaving this thread for the same reasons as stale.
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thinking that i won't contribute to this thread anymore, since it has been seriously lowering my opinion of the general community.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Again, it's not my fault they're too ignorant to find the price.
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All in all, this is just going to be more proof of why an auction house in GW2 is going to help the game.
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I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...
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Lacroix
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There is a new name now: "Power Traders". (how nice). If you are still QQ-ing about how buying something for below market price is considered a scam or not ethical, heres an advice: MOVE ON, YOU ARE IN 2008 !!!
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kobey
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Originally Posted by Lacroix
Of course, it IS their fault for not knowing it - yes. They're new. But... well, I don't know about you, but if gaming to you is THAT important, that you go out and find all of the price guides and builds and all of these lists about the game as soon as you start playing... well, that's you.
But I promise you a majority of the people aren't like that. I apologize, I'll admit an error - but buying from them doesn't make you an less of a jerk, I'm sorry to say. |
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Of course, there's also the fact that in a NORMAL online game you have a freaking auction house where you can get a good idea of the current going rate of different items.... it's hard to fault people coming into Guild Wars' completely cocked up trade system for having no clue how much things are worth when something labeled with a "value" of 312g could actually be sold for more plat than you can even carry on your character...
Also, obvious troll in the followup is even more obvious. |
pumpkin pie
Yay its 2008, lets be mean to each other.
/throw shit at someone randomly and runs away
Edit: cos i forgot and ran away .... :P
Sorry, forgot to say, No, it is not okay to buy from someone who does not know the ins and outs of trading in the game. those players will turn back and laugh at their own mistakes. But if I were to do that, I am sure I probably have to find them and give them back what's appropriate else I can't sleep at night. but that's just me. And what have you (anyone who think its okay) got to show for for doing it? that you are mean and did not help a new player + some elite "pixel armor"?
And yes, I'd pm them and tell them it is worth more, and I've done it before too. call me silly, thats just me.
And I or you would not throw shit at someone, that's just me, dramatising :P
/throw shit at someone randomly and runs away
Edit: cos i forgot and ran away .... :P
Sorry, forgot to say, No, it is not okay to buy from someone who does not know the ins and outs of trading in the game. those players will turn back and laugh at their own mistakes. But if I were to do that, I am sure I probably have to find them and give them back what's appropriate else I can't sleep at night. but that's just me. And what have you (anyone who think its okay) got to show for for doing it? that you are mean and did not help a new player + some elite "pixel armor"?
And yes, I'd pm them and tell them it is worth more, and I've done it before too. call me silly, thats just me.
And I or you would not throw shit at someone, that's just me, dramatising :P
Ctb
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Don't get your panties in a knot. If you choose to do something other people find disreputable, you'll garner a bad reputation and people won't respect you. It's your choice, and if you choose to take advantage of new people, live with the consequences of your actions.
In other words: if you're going to do things that garner disrespect and give you a bad reputation, learn to live with it. It's absurd to admit to doing things that other people find disreputable and then get angry because those same people lose respect for you.
Personally, I don't care enough about a video game to make other people feel bad about playing it. That's just me though. My self-respect is worth a little more to me than a few database entries on ANET's servers, and my self-respect would wane if I was intentionally making other people's play less enjoyable. Hey, if you don't feel the same, that's you, man, that's you, and that's ALL you. YOU have to live with whatever consequences your actions bring about, and if digital stink-eye on a forum is too much for you, maybe you ought to reconsider what you do.
Lacroix
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Originally Posted by kobey
If it does not matter enough to them to research abit, then what difference does it makes? It does matter to me that I sell my items for a reasonable sum, so I put in the effort to check prices or test the demand. If they are lazy/don't bother and ready to sell for the first person to offer, then why are you people crying foul?
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Lacroix
No, no. The thing is, we're not talking about buying things just a little bit below the market price. We're talking about taking advantage of a new player. The ethics of it - not the economic advantage of it.
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By the time a player has gotten to an area where desired items drop, they should have enough common sense/knowledge to research the item.
carnage-runner
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
Yay its 2008, lets be mean to each other.
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I'm just visiting until something better (hopefully) comes out.
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Bryant Again
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hello to you too. Want a Mini Vizu for 50K?
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All in all, it comes down to what you as a player want to achieve. No one is certainly under any obligation to remind or tell players the true price of certain items, and it would indeed be the seller's fault for not researching the real prices before hand. Whether you want to help them out is totally up to you, eventually they're going to find out that the item they sold to you for 10k was really worth five hundred ectos.
Nonetheless, I can't say my opinion of some of the people here hasn't lessened : (
Nazar Razak
just to condradict myself: I bought a Mini Bone dragon for 8k a couple of months back, does that make me evil?
and now to turn this into my point: Its only a game, im pretty sure that the person who sold it to me, found out how much it was worth, but he didnt jump off of a roof, or gather his family around, and tell them something along the lines of "its hard going from here"...Im pretty sure that most people here wouldnt mug someone in real life, but would snap up a stack of Ecto's for 1k.
and now to turn this into my point: Its only a game, im pretty sure that the person who sold it to me, found out how much it was worth, but he didnt jump off of a roof, or gather his family around, and tell them something along the lines of "its hard going from here"...Im pretty sure that most people here wouldnt mug someone in real life, but would snap up a stack of Ecto's for 1k.
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by cataphract
If it's just a game - why do you have to grief and steal from people? Don't have enough of bad things in RL or are you just numbed-down to a couch-potato IQ that you simply cannot fathom that it is not a matter where you take advantage of people, but that you do it and feel comfortable with it?
I don't. I can't. But then again, it wasn't my ancestors that bought Manhattan for a couple of beads and occupied a whole continent just because they could. Scamming and taking advantage from people is not hard-wired into me. I apologize. My bad. |