"Ram" in Rollerbeetle Racing got "fixed".

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Well, that kills my amazing strategy on getting high scores. Gg to ANet for fixing something that didn't need to be.

I guess I'll see how this changes things in Racing this weekend.

Edit: Mods can close thread. Event will be over soon, and the discussion looks like it's just going to go back and forth.

Azora

Azora

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Portugal =P

We Need Fame [sOz]

R/

Good bye same guis in 20 positions int he scoreboard

Aera

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

E/

Oh no, you actually have to play now. Just imagine!

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

What, the BUG where you could increase your max speed by cheating through a checkpoint?

If so, good. People exploiting silly side games are really pathetic and anything that makes them run away bawling is a good thing.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aera
Oh no, you actually have to play now. Just imagine!
Ramming chit wuz fun QQ

Horus

Horus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

www.godtguild.com

Blades Of Burning Shadows [GoDT]-leader

Mo/

will be funnier this time(i hope). And hope they fixed it where only your best result will go on ladder, not that ladder is full of same names

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple
will be funnier this time(i hope). And hope they fixed it where only your best result will go on ladder, not that ladder is full of same names
That certainly would have been more worthwhile. The next person to find the big fix on how to get a high score will just get this to happen all over again.

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

Well the people who were good enough at the game to get high scores can surely do it again. Only WITHOUT cheating. *cough*

Sub Frost

Sub Frost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Portugal

R/

Quote:
Fixed a bug that caused multiple copies of the Ram effect (in Rollerbeetle Racing) to interact incorrectly. This skill now cannot be reused until its initial effects wear off.
Well better late then never...

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Frost
Well better late then never...
I'd tend to disagree. This really doesn't fix anything.

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

Sure, anytime you correct the function of something to work as described is a positive. People exploiting a game function that isnt working properly are in reality bug abusing, now everyone could do it yadda yadda, but it doesnt change the fact that it would be exploiting a game function operating out of proper spec

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

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Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stretchs
Sure, anytime you correct the function of something to work as described is a positive. People exploiting a game function that isnt working properly are in reality bug abusing, now everyone could do it yadda yadda, but it doesnt change the fact that it would be exploiting a game function operating out of proper spec
The skill never states that they aren't supposed to be used in succession. If it were like that, Rollerbeetle Dash and Harden Shell would get the same hit, even though using them like that anyway would be wasteful.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

maybe they also bothered to fix the leaderboard

Shai Lee

Shai Lee

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Somewhere

I think lagg will prevent me from winning anyway, but at least now I can be somewhat hopeful when playing. :P

The Red Messenger

The Red Messenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

America

The people will still cheat. Last time, i ran into people syncing from inactive districts like poland. one guy was designated "winner" from the start, and the rest of the team would crush anyone that accidentally fell into their sync.

this happened to me; i faced one of the board leaders (guy that was on the top 100 multiple times). his teammates all went after me and i was hit so hard i couldn't finish

he finished in an amazing time, partly because he had nobody competing and hitting him.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

The Op QQing makes me laugh. Its about time they fixed this. Hopefully they have fixed Leaderboard stacking as well.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Where do they proudly present the statistic of how many bug exploiters they banned??

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
The people will still cheat. Last time, i ran into people syncing from inactive districts like poland. one guy was designated "winner" from the start, and the rest of the team would crush anyone that accidentally fell into their sync.
If it could be proven I would say perma banned, but they probably used vent to sync the launch.

Da Tru Legend

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Light of Honor [Lite]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.Shayne
If it could be proven I would say perma banned, but they probably used vent to sync the launch.
It's shouldn't a perma ban to sync in RR imo, it's just like syncing in RA. This just happens to let you get a Rollerbeetle if you're lucky >_>

~Tru

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Tru Legend
It's shouldn't a perma ban to sync in RR imo, it's just like syncing in RA. This just happens to let you get a Rollerbeetle if you're lucky >_>

~Tru
Yes, but that "Ram" bug exploit wasn´t and they should perma ban EVERYONE that used it!!!

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Wow, the sync racing rumor lives 2 years later.

You don't need to sync to top 100.

You don't need to double Ram to top 100. I did it this year the same way I did it last year, which doesn't involve double Ram.

All you need is about an hour to land the box combo, and the skill to know what to do with it when you land it.

Quit QQing about the mechanics and learn to play better. Good play > attempts to 'cheat'.

aaje vhanli

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Well, I'm interested in seeing what the top scores are without this exploit. That's about it, though. I always did pretty well without cheating. I'm curious to see how many people are affected by this change.

Rollerbeetle Racing has always been fun for me even if I've only ever been on the low end of top 100.

IKNOW

IKNOW

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
"Ram" in Rollerbeetle Racing got "fixed".
lol.

That is all.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

To really fix the issue they'd have to delete from the game every rollerbeetle that was awarded last time, since they were all gotten via using this ram exploit. That wealth is illegitimate, ill-gotten gains from an exploit. Exactly the same as the duped armbraces that got deleted for being ill-gotten gains. For those who already sold the ill-gotten gained beetles, they should have the amount of money and ectos they paid for it deleted from their account. Doing all of that would be fixing it. Leaving those ill-gotten gains alone is dirty pool.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
To really fix the issue they'd have to delete from the game every rollerbeetle that was awarded last time, since they were all gotten via using this ram exploit. That wealth is illegitimate, ill-gotten gains from an exploit. Exactly the same as the duped armbraces that got deleted for being ill-gotten gains. For those who already sold the ill-gotten gained beetles, they should have the amount of money and ectos they paid for it deleted from their account. Doing all of that would be fixing it. Leaving those ill-gotten gains alone is dirty pool.
Absolutely! ANets needs to be consistent!

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

How do you know its been fixed? Did Anet officially say that the double ram trick has been fixed now?

Pol

evenfall

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Polgara Val
How do you know its been fixed? Did Anet officially say that the double ram trick has been fixed now?

Pol
Update - Thursday, April 24, 2008
Fixed a bug that caused multiple copies of the Ram effect (in Rollerbeetle Racing) to interact incorrectly. This skill now cannot be reused until its initial effects wear off.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by evenfall
Update - Thursday, April 24, 2008
Fixed a bug that caused multiple copies of the Ram effect (in Rollerbeetle Racing) to interact incorrectly. This skill now cannot be reused until its initial effects wear off.
Cheers mate, never noticed that

Pol

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

its so stupid how doing things unconventionally is considered cheating. i suppose people who race cars and take corners by drifting are cheating as well because they arent racing how everyone else is?

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Unless they fix the 25 of the same name in the top 100 im not going to bother playing.

roflcopter ownage

roflcopter ownage

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Aria of the Apocalypse

E/Mo

the double ram was not an exploit or a bug. I don't really think they intended for it to not be done. They probalby just made it impossible now because of the people complaining about people having too many high scores. While this will reduce the number of high scores, the names of the people on the scores won't be any different I assure you. This update will ruin the consistent strategy of winning, once again making this game even more luck based than skill based.

roflcopter ownage

roflcopter ownage

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

Aria of the Apocalypse

E/Mo

and in response to the people constantly bring up that all the top racers sync: syncing BARELY HELPS even if you acutally did do it. The chance of syncing several people in is extremely low, and even if you did, you would still need to know how to get the high score, and get lucky enough for it. Syncing would not even be worth it, and I laugh at the people that acutally try to sync thinking that they will get a high score if they do.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

OMG, Did Not Know There Is A Bug! and here I was thinking the winners are uber good at controlling their keyboard or have dexterity +10 fingers. mwahahahaha....

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
the double ram was not an exploit or a bug. I don't really think they intended for it to not be done.
I remember you from this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=3637808

You said the same bullshit there, too. But now ANet already have confirmed, that it is a bug! So why don´t you stop? If they intended for it to be done, they would have just updated the skill description, but they changed the skill.

Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
They probalby just made it impossible now because of the people complaining about people having too many high scores. While this will reduce the number of high scores, the names of the people on the scores won't be any different I assure you. This update will ruin the consistent strategy of winning, once again making this game even more luck based than skill based.
Are you saying that without that bug you can´t win??

TheHaxor

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

two

W/N

oh mayne i iz so glad dat da cheaterz got w0ned cuz ppl liek martin alcheater need 2 stop bein bad n win stuff wit skill

dey shud all get perm ban

papryk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Nancy

The Autonomy[?????????]

Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
the names of the people on the scores won't be any different I assure you.
rofl...
dont be so sure...

Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
This update will ruin the consistent strategy of winning, once again making this game even more luck based than skill based.
so using a bug is skill based? ahahhahahaha omg

u win this thread

Sakura Az

Sakura Az

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Join Date: Jan 2007

The frozen north

Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage]

A/

befor the update note on this, i never even knew this bug existed..

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

The same racers will still be on top, only they won't have like 20 top 100 scores this time. I never knew about this exploit and still got a 2nd spot the last time, so it won't make any difference to me.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin
The same racers will still be on top, only they won't have like 20 top 100 scores this time. I never knew about this exploit and still got a 2nd spot the last time, so it won't make any difference to me.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. There's a long list of top racers that I can think have been around for a while: Ouija, Roflcopter, Ekelon, Marvin, Dragou, myself -- just about anyone who's won a Rollerbeetle. Lots of us have been winners from the start, and as I recall, Rofl and I didn't know very much about the Echoed Ram tactic until just this past festival. We still made top scores.

It's just like Rofl said: changing how Ram works doesn't screw up the top racers from getting the top scores. It just makes us think a little more, and it forces everyone to rely a little bit more on boxes. That makes this game more luck based than skill based, no matter how you hash it.

I can think two real problems in Racing that they haven't fixed: highscores probably still display multiples of names, and resigning probably still adds dishonor. The latter is somewhat of a tactic of preventing the former, but until they fix the former, all of these little adjustments they make in the arena are going to mean nothing.

Messy

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
To really fix the issue they'd have to delete from the game every rollerbeetle that was awarded last time, since they were all gotten via using this ram exploit. That wealth is illegitimate, ill-gotten gains from an exploit. Exactly the same as the duped armbraces that got deleted for being ill-gotten gains. For those who already sold the ill-gotten gained beetles, they should have the amount of money and ectos they paid for it deleted from their account. Doing all of that would be fixing it. Leaving those ill-gotten gains alone is dirty pool.
/signed
/signed
/signed
oh.... did I say /signed?

It's sad that some players feel the need to use exploits/ bugs/ cheats to advance and/or get things in the game.

Even sadder that they brag about their "accomplishments" (brb gotta puke).

Ok back, even way sadder that they QQ when the exploit/bug/cheat gets fixed.