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Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

09 May 2008 at 13:15 - 161

Ill try and be less blunt in the 'official' update thread here

Buyable emote title is not necessarily cool.

Total account Balth Faction should play a role in calculation of title progress.

To PvPers' credit, BUYING the ZKeys (and other tournament reward pts things) should give points toward title.

The Transmo Tonics is epic awesome. I take back saying im 100% dissatisfied because this will add a new element for powertraders, which honestly... is pretty cool.

Im pretty avid about my 3 suggestions here, and I hope anet makes some changes.

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

09 May 2008 at 13:18 - 162

Hmm... an emote you can actually buy. I have one word to describe this:

ABSURD

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

09 May 2008 at 13:23 - 163

I think my response is simply this:

/shrug

chest running emote? um...yay? nay? Does it affect gameplay? no. Does it affect skills? no. Does it affect weapons? no. Does it affect player dynamics? not really.

Does it give you something to waste time/money on? YES!

anyway....

URSAN IS BAD! >.> Lets nerf ursan.

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

09 May 2008 at 13:32 - 164

In my country we have something called "bolsa familia" (family bag), the govern use the taxes to share money to the poors...

I think anet use the same politic with special weekends... and some titles... they give drinks, sweets, and party stuff to everyone in the game, and the the ubber richs, buy this stuff from poors ones for some good money...

With zkeys same thing, poor players go and farm faction, increase the pvp world, change faction, sell zkeys to rich ones, rich ones happy because get a new title and with lucky some good drop... poor ones get some good money...

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

09 May 2008 at 14:15 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarkin

In my country we have something called "bolsa familia" (family bag), the govern use the taxes to share money to the poors...

I think anet use the same politic with special weekends... and some titles... they give drinks, sweets, and party stuff to everyone in the game, and the the ubber richs, buy this stuff from poors ones for some good money...

With zkeys same thing, poor players go and farm faction, increase the pvp world, change faction, sell zkeys to rich ones, rich ones happy because get a new title and with lucky some good drop... poor ones get some good money...

The only places that are realistically accessible to non-PvPers are RA, AB, and TA. Few people now are willing to devote the time to penetrating the ranks of HA and GvG, and HA and GvG are where the real balth faction is, and I doubt that the prospect of a silly emote and a buttload of firewater is going to fix that problem.. Plus, most of them are only going to be able to store up 10k faction at a time anyway, so they'd probably even lose a chunk in many typical HA runs.

Poor people are not going to get anything out of this. The title track start to finish is only to the benefit of PvPers who have the keys already, or the means to obtain them. Worse yet, even if you do obtain 50 keys, at 5k each that's only 250k. Not exactly poor, but that's also 250,000 balth faction, and you can probably make more than that doing various PvE farming runs. Hell, you can match that income rate by farming ectos in UW, and it's both easier and more reliable.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

09 May 2008 at 14:17 - 166

Makes me wonder if there's an everlasting Candy Corn Tonic.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2008 at 14:28 - 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirSausage

Wow, another title. Here we go again.

It looks like for Anerf PVP-ers are more important than the PVE players.
Personally I hate this update.

What Black Sephir said, and: The PvP'ers are more important than the PvE playerbase. At least PvE'ers get stupid imba buttonmash easy-win skills.
And skill balances make the game fun.

@Lyra -- It will probably effect weapon prices, and it also effects people's e-peen being enlarged because of some spear that comes from the sky.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

09 May 2008 at 14:34 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

ROFL ROFL!!!

*When you use a Zaishen Key on a Zaishen Chest, you get 5 Zaishen Reputation Points.

Thats over 20k Z keys to max the title. @ 2.5k each thats over 50 mill.

I've seen keys for 5k right now.

so 5k each would be around 100 million gold?

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

09 May 2008 at 14:47 - 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by N Sane OEF Marine

How about improve Hero AI (run like hell if someone is targetting you, especially when u get hit by Maelstrom, Meteor Shower, etc.)

Enemy AI kites like champs. Why cant our own buddy AI grow brains like the rest of the freaking game.

Allow hero Henchies use of URSAN....so u dont have to do crap.

they do run away from maelstrom very fast too, if they are not frozen by the imps. nothing much you can do if that happens, unless someone think of a way to make 3 heros interrupt 3 different targets at the same time.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

09 May 2008 at 14:55 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

Makes me wonder if there's an everlasting Candy Corn Tonic.

Yes, that's been out there for a while...

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ever...ogrifier_Tonic

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

09 May 2008 at 15:01 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Does it give you something to waste time/money on? YES!

It does so, and in epic fashion. Its about all it does. 20k keys? I mean who is the idiot that makes things like this?

I so hope GW2 actually comes up with reasons to continue playing the game that dont go down these roads. Character development, more varied weapon stats, deeper exploration and/or PvE gameplay. Titles like the above just make me depressed and dont motivate me to play at ALL.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2008 at 15:17 - 172

Lol what an epic fail, ebayers get emotes? Seriously..

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

09 May 2008 at 15:29 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dronte

Lol what an epic fail, ebayers get emotes? Seriously..

They could do that with HA accounts anyway.

AceeBlueEagle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

ASH -Ashes of Humanity

R/

09 May 2008 at 15:30 - 174

Just another indication that GWars has jumped the shark. Maybe not for everyone, but for me, definitely.

Kyp Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA

Lack of Talent [Luck]

P/

09 May 2008 at 15:32 - 175

I've been suspicious from when they announced GW2 that it will actually be any good, but the more failed design decisions I see in gw1, the more i think gw2 will not live up to our expectations.

Im fully expecting to see fail like
race bonuses
title grind
ursan from day1
..
..
..

Im holding my breath, but Im not getting my hopes up either for gw2

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

09 May 2008 at 15:58 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dronte

Lol what an epic fail, ebayers get emotes? Seriously..

Maybe they could change all those weapons falling from sky to credit cards falling from sky.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

09 May 2008 at 16:01 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Maybe they could change all those weapons falling from sky to credit cards falling from sky.

I would lol so hard.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

09 May 2008 at 16:08 - 178

The Zaishen Title Track just turned every conceivable bit of grind in WoW into child's play.

Congrats, ArenaNet - you won. You have invented the most massive time sink I've ever seen.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

09 May 2008 at 16:11 - 179

Keys were hovering between 4.5K and 5K last night...wonder what they are doing today?

pfaile

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Orlando

Divine Order of Heroes

P/R

09 May 2008 at 16:23 - 180

easy fix, customize keys

for pvp players trade in blathazar faction
this would hold true to your skill>time thing

for pve players trade in skill points
this would would be better than crafting consets

but it is too late

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

09 May 2008 at 17:02 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfaile

easy fix, customize keys

for pvp players trade in blathazar faction
this would hold true to your skill>time thing

for pve players trade in skill points
this would would be better than crafting consets

but it is too late

ArenaNet wants intentionally people empty their rich pockets (supposing there are still rich people in this game with all the fixes to overpowered farming, exploits, anti illegal bought gold, and all that already existing ideas for spend millions of gold)

Anyway, I don't sell my keys not even at 50k each, I don't need gold at all.

Every single title I have was earned by my own gaming, that's the idea of titles, and I feel really good for that.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

09 May 2008 at 17:24 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfaile

easy fix, customize keys

for pvp players trade in blathazar faction
this would hold true to your skill>time thing

for pve players trade in skill points
this would would be better than crafting consets

but it is too late

Trading in skill points wouldn't be a bad idea. It would be nice to have something to do with the bloody things on my Warrior. The guy has like 220 left yet.

SirSausage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Poland

Architects of Forgotten Truths [AoFT]

W/Mo

09 May 2008 at 17:46 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Trading in skill points wouldn't be a bad idea. It would be nice to have something to do with the bloody things on my Warrior. The guy has like 220 left yet.

Yes indeed. But I'm afraid it's called "Zaishen" for a reason. And "Zaishen" means PvP. But I totally support this suggestion.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

09 May 2008 at 17:50 - 184

Balthazar Points should be use only for ONE type of emote at any one time only, NOT, I repeat, NOT gain fame in HA, then proceed to gain Zaishen Point. it should be seperated. either you exchange it for fame or zaishen point.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

09 May 2008 at 18:09 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Tigercat X

lol if a leacher can make 5k in 30-40min without doing anything while pvpers actually have to do something and do it well if they plan to get any keys or cash. Beside those that run cof make more then 5k a run (try 15-20k). And keys dont ussualy go for 5k each this will be around for 2 weeks before the prices are back to 3k.

edit. ok how many pvers dont spend over 50% of their time farming because those that can do. After people spend 20 hrs to beat the game they go and farm and farm and farm.

Actually, this isn't true for most high-end PvE people. Sure, you might farm some to cover expenses, but the thing most enjoy is taking the time to beat the game in HM, learn elite areas, vanquish, etc. And "beating the game" from a PvE standpoint would take a lot more than just 20 hours the way I see it

That said, you do earn some gold through simple "normal playing" in PvE, I don't know how much compared to the Balth farming though.

In response to all this fuss:

WTB:

One emote for Legendary Guardian
One emote for Legendary Vanquisher
One emote for each rank of KoaBD
One PvE skill for each of the Guardian and Vanquisher titles (I mean, if they are going to make grindable titles, at least do those for achievements that count)

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

09 May 2008 at 22:09 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bront

Care to come up with a solution as to how they can find out this information?

If they could have, they would have all ready.

Not necessarily. The game tracks how much Kurzick/Luxon/Balthazar faction your account has earned overall (and if we can see it, I'm sure Anet could), but they haven't fixed the Kurz/Lux tracks yet...

I'm not saying they could tell how many keys were used before this update, just that they don't seem to give a damn about retroactivity even when the information is readily available...

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

10 May 2008 at 06:13 - 187

I believe they've forgotten to have Tolkano in the various PvP outpost like the faction reward guy in this recent update.

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

10 May 2008 at 08:25 - 188

these emotes were developed originally for the gladiator title track.
probably to avoid further pve whining they decided to associate it with z-keys opened.
pathetic really.

Kylie Minon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Argentina

Acolitos del Tango [AR]

N/Me

10 May 2008 at 15:26 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

these emotes were developed originally for the gladiator title track.
probably to avoid further pve whining they decided to associate it with z-keys opened.
pathetic really.

Indeed they look more pvp-ish than pve-ish...

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

10 May 2008 at 16:05 - 190

mm.. i gotta sell everything i own and start farming and buy ZKEYS :d oh wait.. i allready sold half i got and bought zkeys week ago -.-

shadows of hob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rocky (Dragon)Mountains

Mo/Me

10 May 2008 at 18:16 - 191

O.o

I am on holiday for 6 days and ANET came up with this horrible idea...

Why should everybody be able to buy their emotes and then has to press his/her mouse an insane amount of times, which involves zero, absolutly zero, skill? Why? To get rid of all the gold the GW players have? To give pvpers that worked really hard and long for their emotes a huge slap in their face?

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 May 2008 at 20:36 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows of hob

O.o

I am on holiday for 6 days and ANET came up with this horrible idea...

Why should everybody be able to buy their emotes and then has to press his/her mouse an insane amount of times, which involves zero, absolutly zero, skill? Why? To get rid of all the gold the GW players have? To give pvpers that worked really hard and long for their emotes a huge slap in their face?

Huh, slap on the face? Everyone still has their ''Hard (Not really)'' earned Animal emotes, this is a whole new emote, how is it a slap to the face?

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

10 May 2008 at 20:42 - 193

Whats funny is most of the people complaining and posting up a storm in here probably are working on or attempting the Z title anyways.

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 May 2008 at 20:53 - 194

I'm not, I'm broke.

I plan to spend the little cash I have left to get the rest of the Ele armors that I want, and I barely make any cash since I don't play a lot, heh.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

10 May 2008 at 21:02 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Not necessarily. The game tracks how much Kurzick/Luxon/Balthazar faction your account has earned overall (and if we can see it, I'm sure Anet could), but they haven't fixed the Kurz/Lux tracks yet...

I'm not saying they could tell how many keys were used before this update, just that they don't seem to give a damn about retroactivity even when the information is readily available...

Agreed, that really bugged me with the kurzick and luxon title changes a while back.

/vote for balth faction being a factor in this title.

Bront

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Honored Order of Light

W/Me

12 May 2008 at 00:16 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Not necessarily. The game tracks how much Kurzick/Luxon/Balthazar faction your account has earned overall (and if we can see it, I'm sure Anet could), but they haven't fixed the Kurz/Lux tracks yet...

I'm not saying they could tell how many keys were used before this update, just that they don't seem to give a damn about retroactivity even when the information is readily available...

Having not been around then, how was this information available to you back then?

If that's the case, I'm a bit surprised. However, in the case of the keys, I fully understand, and anyone who complains about it not being retroactive needs to sit back understand why it's not.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

12 May 2008 at 01:00 - 197

The faction meters, in addition to tracking how much faction you currently have, also display how much total faction you've earned when you mouse over them. They could have checked your account, saw how much was already spent, and credited you for that. But, do you want ArenaNet to throw in more code which is sure to screw up something for someone?

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

12 May 2008 at 03:06 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

The faction meters, in addition to tracking how much faction you currently have, also display how much total faction you've earned when you mouse over them. They could have checked your account, saw how much was already spent, and credited you for that. But, do you want ArenaNet to throw in more code which is sure to screw up something for someone?

Of course not, expecially when we know they're so busy working on GW2 and can't be bothered to do any other nonsense stuff.

O wait...