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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
Nightfall: New Weapons or re-use a skin and add a crafter
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New Weapons in the HoM? Your guesses?
Randvek
R.Shayne
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Originally Posted by Randvek
I'm not sure. Tormented weapons kinda already do have a crafter.
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Tormented weapons in their current state are different. You can not purchase an Ambrace from a trader.
Dante the Warlord
Well Mallyx's courage is a green, it was by no means a easy to obtain item (although the value is diminished now). I say why not to certain greens? The Greens from high end places are ok to add in a HoM.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by R.Shayne
I see the Deacon of Whispers as a collector. The destroyer weapons can be crafted after completing the game, just go to the rare material trader and normal material trader and ensure you have the material and gold in your inventory before you make the run to the cave. Destroyer weapons also act as a gold sink.
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DoA was never popular to begin with.
1. Average joe scrub couldn't do it
2. Takes too long for mr casual
3. The l33t found they could no longer c - space it, so they QQ'd and quit
4. Overall reward for completing is pretty shocking
5. Cookie cutter builds only
6. Pugs fail
7. Guild groups require time to set up, then at least 1 to 2 people drop out halfway through "dinner time" or "mom says I gotta go" etc
Only the mentaly retarded, and serious solo no lifers even attempt the area these days.
hallomik
My prediction:
Any max, req 9 (or better) with perfect (or nearly) mods will able to be dedicated, but it will require the item be "dedicated" destroyer style. That is, you take your perfect (or nearly) weapon of choice to the crafter in Slavers and he makes it "destoyer" worthy at the current cost of crafting a new one.
This allows players to dedicate their favorite weapons, but doesn't make it any less costly to fill your hall.
Adding a destroyer or other glowing effect of your choice would be gravy.
Any max, req 9 (or better) with perfect (or nearly) mods will able to be dedicated, but it will require the item be "dedicated" destroyer style. That is, you take your perfect (or nearly) weapon of choice to the crafter in Slavers and he makes it "destoyer" worthy at the current cost of crafting a new one.
This allows players to dedicate their favorite weapons, but doesn't make it any less costly to fill your hall.
Adding a destroyer or other glowing effect of your choice would be gravy.
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
who takes armbraces as a form of currency for any of these, excluding tonics. The reason armbraces are 100k each is because very few people want torment weapons anymore. even if you had 1000+ armbraces to afford all these things, it would take forever to convert them into ecto and cash to afford everything. Currently i have no problem that the duped item are staying in the super high end where it doesn't effect my gameplay.
It Torment were added to HoM, there would be a demand for the weapons again, and then the peopel who benefited from the exploit (those who traded high end items for rediculous amount of armbraces) would be able to sell them for 200k at least (look at zkey during the title release). Do you honestly thinking doubling the buying power of the high end is a good idea. |
And No, making Tormented weapons accepted in HoM would NOT increase their value nor armbrace prices *unless* they make them REQUIRED for completing the monument. Which is very, very unlikely.
(in fact their prices may increase slighlty just because of increased interest in them, there might be, for example, someone who has nothing to do with money and would want to fill the monument with 11 of them just to show off. But prices depend on many factors, like all the other new weapon choices available.)
Diddy bow
Mabey they will do the logical thing and let us put any gold in.
Thats pretty slim though...
Thats pretty slim though...
Fox Reeveheart
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
No, people who benefitted from the duping incident and survived the bans doesn't just sit on their armbraces watching them lose value with time. They had plenty of time to liquidate them from back when they were 100k+40e till now, they turned them into stable ecto stacks, uberrare minis, oldsql weapons, etc. They are just top rich people (if they're even still around).
And No, making Tormented weapons accepted in HoM would NOT increase their value nor armbrace prices *unless* they make them REQUIRED for completing the monument. Which is very, very unlikely. (in fact their prices may increase slighlty just because of increased interest in them, there might be, for example, someone who has nothing to do with money and would want to fill the monument with 11 of them just to show off. But prices depend on many factors, like all the other new weapon choices available.) |
Somehow I got off topic. Either way, if tormented items get a new use like being put into HoM i guarantee prices will go UP UP UP. And I will be sitting there and waiting with my armbrace to sell. I expect to make at least 200k or more.
garethporlest18
I believe that any customized weapon should be able to be placed in the slots. Some people have favorite weapon skins that aren't popular or rare. It should be the peoples choice dammit!
MarlinBackna
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Originally Posted by Diddy bow
Mabey they will do the logical thing and let us put any gold in.
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On that note, I would like if they added end-game greens, tormented, and maybe req 9 golds. Can't see how they would add golds though...
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Lest121
Everyone keeps saying Tormented weapons because you want the price to go up.............I hope it's not ridiculous high price weapons, it has to be the same value of the Destroyer weapons, otherwise it's a Waste of time to even add new weapons to the HOM.
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Everyone keeps saying Tormented weapons because you want the price to go up.............I hope it's not ridiculous high price weapons, it has to be the same value of the Destroyer weapons, otherwise it's a Waste of time to even add new weapons to the HOM.
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I mean, that Draconic scythe just HAS to go in lol. Seriously though, Tormented weps arent that amazing tbh. Even when I had mine it was just for epeen
Boondocksaints
I don't think it will be Tormented because some people might not have NF. The whole point of limiting the HOM to EOTN owners was to get them to buy the expansion.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Boondocksaints
I don't think it will be Tormented because some people might not have NF. The whole point of limiting the HOM to EOTN owners was to get them to buy the expansion.
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If "Some people do not have nf" they can always put destroyers in hom.
If "Some people do not have gwen" then they would need to buy it anyway to put any weapon there.
Longasc
I can see them make us choose between Tormented and Destroyer Weapons for the first 11 slots.
Then they might add a smaller showcase for our personal favorite weapons. This one does not get transferred to GW2.
We should not forget that destroyer weapons are meant as a money sink and to give us something to grind for. Plus they ensure that we can get a very similar weapon, an ancient special destroyer weapon, in GW2, too.
Imagine them having to redo all GW weapons for GW2 - quite a lot of work. This was probably the idea behind the destroyer weapons, one set that gets a quite similar/almost identical appearance in GW2 that can be transferred via HoM.
Anyways, Regina dropped a line, and a Gaile-style rumor mill started. Who knows when we will hear next about this, given ANet's speed it could be never or in 3-4 months.
Then they might add a smaller showcase for our personal favorite weapons. This one does not get transferred to GW2.
We should not forget that destroyer weapons are meant as a money sink and to give us something to grind for. Plus they ensure that we can get a very similar weapon, an ancient special destroyer weapon, in GW2, too.
Imagine them having to redo all GW weapons for GW2 - quite a lot of work. This was probably the idea behind the destroyer weapons, one set that gets a quite similar/almost identical appearance in GW2 that can be transferred via HoM.
Anyways, Regina dropped a line, and a Gaile-style rumor mill started. Who knows when we will hear next about this, given ANet's speed it could be never or in 3-4 months.
Lest121
The HOM is a Money sink/GRIND your ass off, I wouldn't be surprised if they added another row for high end Rares, think of it as KoBD rank for the weapons, the destroyer weapons is the first rank, End game weapons is the second rank, and the Final rank is a super rare weapon.
BenjZee
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Um? What? This has like ... no logic at all.
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Besides, you have to own atleast one campaign to play EOTN so if they have a equal amount of weapons from each campaign, i dont see it favouring other people.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Boondocksaints
I don't think it will be Tormented because some people might not have NF. The whole point of limiting the HOM to EOTN owners was to get them to buy the expansion.
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If ArenaNet allowed Tormented or Deldrimor weapons into the HoM, it's fine. It'll just be an incentive for people to buy the other games is all. There is nothing "unfair" about that.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by hallomik
My prediction:
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The Monument should be my personal museum. If I want to display my 14^50 because I can't be bothered by a 15^50, I should be able to. If I want to display an unmodded, same story.
I don't care if it will benefit me in GW2, just let me display my favorite weapons.
Edit: I stand corrected about the 'Perfect' part hallomik, thanks for clearing that up.
hallomik
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
LMAO for people still thinking req9 > req 12 and 20/20 +30 Hp is best. And Anet supporting this believe by giving the End Game Greens these very stats. If Anet is adding Gold Weapons it would be completely rubbish if you would need this or that kind of mod.
The Monument should be my personal museum. If I want to display my 14^50 because I can't be bothered by a 15^50, I should be able to. If I want to display an unmodded, same story. I don't care if it will benefit me in GW2, just let me display my favorite weapons. |
Also, I said "nearly perfect" which means that I think a 14^15 inherent probably would be eligible for dedication (assuming you had the required materials).
This isn't necessarily what I want, just what I expect.
Jaythen Tyradel
I am more along the lines of "Keep it Simple Stupid" when it comes to more weapons being added into the HoM.
Not everyone does or will own all the campaigns. True, they may not be the target for the HoM, but to keep it open to those who own one campaign, something simpler may be necessary.
As previously stated, with the introduction to endgame greens with Prophecies, the possibility of end game greens being the new addition to the HoM falls within the idea of "keeping it simple (stupid)".
To get endgame green, outside of buying one, you have to complete the final boss. Except for certain professions or player experience, all the endgame bosses are somewhat feasible to beat with little to no trouble. The ease for some players to beat the endgame boss or even buy the endgame weapons, doesn't add to the idea of the HoM's "only the greatest of weapons may be shown".
With Tormented weapons, they are more difficult to obtain, but yet, not everyone owns Nightfall. Same with Celestial weapons, not everyone owns Factions. There may be people who are interested or desperate (collection addicts) enough to buy the other campaigns for these weapons.
Yet, even the incentive to go through the trouble of obtaining them outweighs the true reward. (SMALL GW2 RANT) IF we knew what we put into our HoM would equate to in GW2, then the reward might equal the time we as the players would be willing or want to spend in GW1. Since we don't know what a Tormented weapon would give us over a Destroyer Weapon (or whatever type of weapons they might add to the HoM) in GW2, we as fans may be setting ourselves up for misguided or misinterpreted hopes.
Not everyone does or will own all the campaigns. True, they may not be the target for the HoM, but to keep it open to those who own one campaign, something simpler may be necessary.
As previously stated, with the introduction to endgame greens with Prophecies, the possibility of end game greens being the new addition to the HoM falls within the idea of "keeping it simple (stupid)".
To get endgame green, outside of buying one, you have to complete the final boss. Except for certain professions or player experience, all the endgame bosses are somewhat feasible to beat with little to no trouble. The ease for some players to beat the endgame boss or even buy the endgame weapons, doesn't add to the idea of the HoM's "only the greatest of weapons may be shown".
With Tormented weapons, they are more difficult to obtain, but yet, not everyone owns Nightfall. Same with Celestial weapons, not everyone owns Factions. There may be people who are interested or desperate (collection addicts) enough to buy the other campaigns for these weapons.
Yet, even the incentive to go through the trouble of obtaining them outweighs the true reward. (SMALL GW2 RANT) IF we knew what we put into our HoM would equate to in GW2, then the reward might equal the time we as the players would be willing or want to spend in GW1. Since we don't know what a Tormented weapon would give us over a Destroyer Weapon (or whatever type of weapons they might add to the HoM) in GW2, we as fans may be setting ourselves up for misguided or misinterpreted hopes.
Darkobra
I really hope it's end-game. Tormented is acceptable, too. After all, they're not exactly cheap to come by.
Orange Milk
I honestly don't give a shit about what other weapons we can put in the HoM, since mine is already full of Destroyer Weapons because thats what we were instructed to put there.
Another failure on ANets part to plan ahead. Some people are mad now, they will be happy with cahnge, though there will be a new group of mad, people like myself, who will emerge.
Thank the Lord I play the versitle Ranger Class and have the possibilities to use most of my Destroyer weapons, though I'm sure they will simply collect dust on my heros.
I can think of many othere weapons I'd rather put in there though.
Another failure on ANets part to plan ahead. Some people are mad now, they will be happy with cahnge, though there will be a new group of mad, people like myself, who will emerge.
Thank the Lord I play the versitle Ranger Class and have the possibilities to use most of my Destroyer weapons, though I'm sure they will simply collect dust on my heros.
I can think of many othere weapons I'd rather put in there though.
Hyper Cutter
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What's logical about getting instant gold in a new game? It's GW2, not the next campaign. I know you would want to carry your accomplishments, but seriously, do you really want to enter GW2 with everything already. I foresee too many people abusing the early economy and become super-ultra-massively rich after a year or so, which would put the economy of GW2 off to a bad start. Just remember that you would port your gold to any other MMO you would play after GW, so what makes GW2 any different? The HoM is quite enough, especially after they add more weapons.
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Another failure on ANets part to plan ahead. Some people are mad now, they will be happy with cahnge, though there will be a new group of mad, people like myself, who will emerge.
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
I don't care if it will benefit me in GW2, just let me display my favorite weapons.
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Navaros
HOM needs to accept every weapon in GW. None of them are "hard" to get (although, some take more mindless grinding to get than others...but that does not equal "hard") therefore it is absolutely ridiculous to restrict any weapon from being in there based on how "hard" it is to get. It's a players' own HOM weapon stand, there is no reason he shouldn't be able to put anything in there that he darn well pleases.
kobey
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Originally Posted by Navaros
HOM needs to accept every weapon in GW. None of them are "hard" to get (although, some take more mindless grinding to get than others...but that does not equal "hard") therefore it is absolutely ridiculous to restrict any weapon from being in there based on how "hard" it is to get. It's a players' own HOM weapon stand, there is no reason he shouldn't be able to put anything in there that he darn well pleases.
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Navaros
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Originally Posted by kobey
There is something called a storage for that purpose. Its for people to put their crap in when their character's inventory can't hold more crap.
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Lots of people will probably also think the other weapons that can be added are ugly & crap too, if they are only going to slightly-broaden the selection that can go into HOM instead of opening it up to every weapon (as it should be). And opening it up to a couple of other types and yet not others of similar caliber is totally unequitable. Ie: the common suggestion of adding Deldrimor and Torment only = totally unequitable.
cataphract
HoD swords in HoM now! 
dunky_g
I want to add my customised Starter Hammer tbh
Konig Des Todes
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Maybe next they will tell us what we "get" from the HoM in GW2
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When I hear more weapons in Hall of Monuments, I can only think of one thing that could possibly come close to what could go in:
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Originally Posted by SmithyBen
I think they should go full out on this if they plan on changing it.
This means: Maybe sorrows furnace/tombs greens Deldrimer weapons Divine path weapons Urgoz/Deep weapons Forgotten weapons Tormented weapons Droknars weapons Destroyer weapons --BMP weapons and Design a weapon winners |
I say, for HoM, Add those mentioned above, for non greens, add in crafters.
In other words a crafter for:
Eternal/Chaos in UW
Zodiac
Celestial
"Ceremonial"(End-game faction weps) *obvious place*
And some new elite skin sets that would be nice to see would be:
Titan *craftable from Glint's Avatar in Droks after the Titan Quests, the skin changes to look like the environment like the real Titans(aka NOT Destroyer rip-offs)*
Warden*craftable in Urgoz*
Nightmare *craftable in the Deep*
Summit *craftable in SF*
Demonic *craftable in Tombs*
And Maybe
Obsidian *for FoW|also the Obsidian Blade can be put in that*
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Adding Deldrimor items (as has been suggested many times in this thread) makes absolutely no sense to me because
a) after the hoopla fades you realize they are essentially boring endgame items same as the endgame items in nightfall and factions .. if you add deldrimor it would only make sense to add the others too b) they are very easy/inexpensive to get c) you can only get 1 per character meaning - that's not much of an additioon to the HoM unless Anet adds multiple stands and means for you to buy the rest from others - which really isn't their modus operendi (not to mention who is going to sell them if everyone needs them for HoM) As for what items they SHOULD add? Well [snip] BTW .. I would love to see some sort of 'special' stand for FoW armor. Lumping it together with the rest of the 15k really detracts from the 'achievement' (such as it is) of getting it... |
1) They are as easy/inexpensive as Destroyer
2) Your thinking of the Greens that are 1 per character. The Golds, which is what people mean, can be gained more then once per character.
FoW doesn't need its own stand. Its an elite armor, yes the most expensive, but still just an elite armor. If FoW armor gets its own stand, then the other elite areas need their own armor and those to go on the stand as well.
Chthon
From a lore perspective, the "legendary-ness" of the weapons in the hall derive from the fact that they once belonged to a legendary hero. So, whatever weapon you, the legendary hero, are actually using belongs in the Hall.
Crom The Pale
I can see only one really logical move here...3 rows of weapons.
Row #1 - Destroyer weapons(standard bonus in GW2 - whatever that may be)
Row #2 - Green weapons(max only)(no bonus in GW2)
Row #3 - Gold weapons(max only)(no bonus in GW2)
We know that mods dont matter on the Destroyer weapons displayed so they should not on the others, niether should requirements.
The real question is should rows #2 and #3 allow more than one of any type of weapon, ie display 3 swords or only 1....
Row #1 - Destroyer weapons(standard bonus in GW2 - whatever that may be)
Row #2 - Green weapons(max only)(no bonus in GW2)
Row #3 - Gold weapons(max only)(no bonus in GW2)
We know that mods dont matter on the Destroyer weapons displayed so they should not on the others, niether should requirements.
The real question is should rows #2 and #3 allow more than one of any type of weapon, ie display 3 swords or only 1....
Hyper Cutter
I wouldn't mind seeing multiple levels of unlocks in GW2. Like, if you fill Valor period (with any max weapons) you get X, but if you fill it with Destroyer(/Tormented/Deldrimor?) weapons you get a fancier version of X...
That way, everyone wins...
That way, everyone wins...
Fug the Unwashed
Golds/Greens....All of them
cataphract
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I wouldn't mind seeing multiple levels of unlocks in GW2. Like, if you fill Valor period (with any max weapons) you get X, but if you fill it with Destroyer(/Tormented/Deldrimor?) weapons you get a fancier version of X...
That way, everyone wins... |
Inniss
Whatever ANet chooses, there are always people who aren't going to be happy. For example, my weapon of choice is a modded collector Air Staff, because I like the sparky head skin. I spent ages hunting the mods to max it for my needs, but I doubt it'd ever be addable to the HoM because it's blue.
End-game greens seem the most likely, as most everyone has at least one of those, if not more. I know I have a couple across my heroes. Example, my Hayda uses the Deldrimor Javelin and Tactics Exalted Aegis.
Be nice if we could add the BMP weapons, and I don't mean the reward weapons. Turai's Sword looks awesome when a Norn is using it.
End-game greens seem the most likely, as most everyone has at least one of those, if not more. I know I have a couple across my heroes. Example, my Hayda uses the Deldrimor Javelin and Tactics Exalted Aegis.
Be nice if we could add the BMP weapons, and I don't mean the reward weapons. Turai's Sword looks awesome when a Norn is using it.
Nude Nira
I don't care about HoM, tbh all you're going to get is some minipet, or a title for filling it....I'd rather waste my gold elsewhere.
Tutis Evito
Question...
According to this http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...dates/20080624
HoM is going to be modified to be account based...great..
Question... Does that mean wepons are still going to be customised for the player who dedicates them?
Or b/c its account based they wont?
According to this http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...dates/20080624
HoM is going to be modified to be account based...great..
Question... Does that mean wepons are still going to be customised for the player who dedicates them?
Or b/c its account based they wont?
Carinae
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I would like to see Anet fill out the Chaos skins and Eternal skins for all weapons types. Put the Chaos crafter somewhere in FoW and the Eternal crafter somewhere in UW.
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I'm guessing he'll require ectos....
Zesbeer
well we know tormented are going to be added anyone know if they hinted at adding any others? i for one would love to see greens added i think that they would just make sence.
and also a nice thing would be if you could put in one weapon "set" of your choosing like a most commonly used items statue. that is just an idea probably wouldn't have a bonus in gw2 you would just be able to view them i guess.
and also a nice thing would be if you could put in one weapon "set" of your choosing like a most commonly used items statue. that is just an idea probably wouldn't have a bonus in gw2 you would just be able to view them i guess.