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Adja1005

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Scotland

R/

17 May 2008 at 02:12 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adja1005

If i put a lot of effort and time into accumulating a horde of gold and spend lots of it on high end items i want to be able to show that expensive "bling" off to people in my HoM.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Ursan=little effort

Just epic fail my friend, epic fail. Not everyone goes Ursan to get rich, some of us saved up a crap load of gold before EOTN came out you know. And some of us still manage to make gold by not going Ursan. Perhaps you need to work on you're builds if you think the only way to get rich is by going Ursanway...

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

17 May 2008 at 02:14 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adja1005

Just epic fail my friend, epic fail. Not everyone goes Ursan to get rich, some of us saved up a crap load of gold before EOTN came out you know. And some of us still manage to make gold by not going Ursan. Perhaps you need to work on you're builds if you think the only way to get rich is by going Ursanway...

It's not the only way, but it's definitely the quickest.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

17 May 2008 at 03:25 - 123

At the very least, greens should be allowed in.

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

17 May 2008 at 04:22 - 124

We don't even know how its gonna affect GW2.

They need to decide how HoM is going to affect GW2 before they make us waste time filling it.

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

17 May 2008 at 04:46 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

At the very least, greens should be allowed in.

yea all those that are 2-3k each all real legendary...

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

18 May 2008 at 07:48 - 126

They have announced HoM over a year ago, had a lot of time till EotN release to work on it, yet it was a rushed work of last 2 weeks, halfway finished at release. And most pathetic was the fact they released something they had no idea how it will work!

If they decided to update the weapons monument after such a long time there has to be a reason. Maybe they finally decided on how actually is it going to work! Yay! This may mean a bigger update, and a release of the info too. Finally.
I'm probably getting my hopes up too much...

I've already posted a list of what should be allowed, nothing worth less than destroyer weaps, no greens (not a single one being worth more than a destro), only tormenteds and rare golds. link to that post
Deldrimor crafted weapons would make sense if they costed more to craft (doubling the mat req would be enough but people would hate if they changed the costs)

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

18 May 2008 at 08:39 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykan

yea all those that are 2-3k each all real legendary...

As opposed to what - Destroyer weapons? While the cost more they are hardly "legendary".

Really, think about this for a second - should we consider "legendary weapons" to be based on community pricing? So does that mean Tanzit's Reaver or Ragos Flame Staff should be worthy if they were purchased when they were high dollar (i have a Ragos from back when they were high gold - probably worth more than a current "legendary" that you want to count)? Or how about Dead Sword or Colossal swords?

Do you believe that your current high dollar skin will remain high dollar and this is worthy of HoM status - if you are then I suggest you ask some of the people who purchased the above weapons.

There is *nothing* in GW that is truly legendary. It makes most sense for them to add end game weapons and *maybe* greens. The few specialty crafter weapons (say destroyer and such) also makes sense. Outside of that the "unique" isn't so unique and may very well change in any update. And then even with them do you want only 10 or better req to count as a req 13 is usually fairly cheap and will count as much as your high dollar perfect req 9 (or heaven forbid if you have one of the ultra rare req 8 or req 7 items).

In any event if you remotely think that "legendary" status is truly what is needed then you need to go elsewhere as it doesn't exist in GW. Most greens aren't *that* much more available than the current destroyer weapons, however their demand is so low that they tend to be cheap. However I do agree that they are too common to be used for HoM - end game weapons (both greens and crafter weapons) should count as they at least require you to have beaten the game. If we go by community pricing there aren't enough weapons to be "legendary" to fill the monument.

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

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18 May 2008 at 09:00 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by strcpy

As opposed to what - Destroyer weapons? While the cost more they are hardly "legendary".
.

My point is that if they put in all greens i could go to kamadan and spam for 5 mins and fill the monument for all my 6 chars for about 50K.
Hardly challenging is it.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

18 May 2008 at 09:14 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykan

My point is that if they put in all greens i could go to kamadan and spam for 5 mins and fill the monument for all my 6 chars for about 50K.
Hardly challenging is it.

"legendary" does not translate into "expensive".

LEGENDARY means it has a history and i'm sorry the only weapons that fulfill that requirement are green.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

18 May 2008 at 09:16 - 130

Imagine being taken on a tour of Turai Ossa's HoM and being told "this is Turai's Legendary sword - an Eternal Blade. Whilst he never actually held it, it's a truly legendary weapon. No, no... he defeated Palawa Joko with a common blue version, but that's sooo boring and everyone has one. Look, look at this - it's all shiny and translucent!"

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

18 May 2008 at 09:31 - 131

Tormented and destroyer weapons will propably be allowed to the HoM, these are end game weapons etc.

But I think greens should also be allowed, as these show that you killed some boss, maybe an extra shrine besides the weapon shrine that shows you killed a boss? This could be a variant of the vanquisher title or something, kill all bosses in NM/HM, with their green as a sign you killed it?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 May 2008 at 09:36 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykan

My point is that if they put in all greens i could go to kamadan and spam for 5 mins and fill the monument for all my 6 chars for about 50K.
Hardly challenging is it.

I dare you to get those 66 green weapons (remeber, its 6x each kind of weapon) in 5 minutes for about 50k (hell, ill give you +/- 50k leeway).

Anyway, remeber, you wont ber alone doing it. How long do you think it will take to exhaust green supply of 1k items, hour, two? Why would anyone sell them just for 1k if there is demand for them? It will no longer be "pls, pls give me 1k for it, pls i need to sell. 500g, k?"

Sellers are not stupid. Even lowest of low greens would go at least for 5k, and fast. And imagine if supply of some stuff runs out (guaranteed because people didn't farm for greens for ages and stashes of greens are nonexistent ... noone keeps todays junk.). With many people having many characters to fill HoM you would end up seeing "WTB any green scythe, 20k".

Anyway, i can complete Hero monuments and minipet monument who similar kind of expenses both in time and cash.

dwc89

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

earth

18 May 2008 at 10:12 - 133

Was just wondering how many are willing to have a weapon customised to one character if they don't already do that?

Not like minis, dedicated, undedicated. Once that toon gets it on display, it belongs to that toon or heroes of that toon. Unless they change that.

Some weapons I would not have any problem with, skins I have held onto for a long time.

Anyway, depending on what they do. I see a rise in demand for some stuff in the future.

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

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18 May 2008 at 10:28 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykan

yea all those that are 2-3k each all real legendary...

Yea and destroyer ones are legendary as well?
for menatlity like this, only unconditional weapons should be in there...

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

18 May 2008 at 11:00 - 135

It seems Anet might get me by the balls again. I'm in favor for at least showing tormented weapons in the HoM too, but seriously, it's like they waited for me to fill it with destroyer weapons first.

Another example was when I went to fow to get some spare parts for my fow armor. They changed the dye setup of monk fow armor overnight without mentioning it. I bought the vestments and pants piece but I couldn't dye them the same colour anymore. Ended up salvaging the new spare parts, throwing away about 500k.

Or like the denravi sword I bought for 450k just a month before Factions came out, owned again. I'm sick of throwing away millions.

But I understand peeps like to place other weapons on the monument.

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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18 May 2008 at 16:31 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I dare you to get those 66 green weapons (remeber, its 6x each kind of weapon) in 5 minutes for about 50k (hell, ill give you +/- 50k leeway).

Anyway, remeber, you wont ber alone doing it. How long do you think it will take to exhaust green supply of 1k items, hour, two? Why would anyone sell them just for 1k if there is demand for them? It will no longer be "pls, pls give me 1k for it, pls i need to sell. 500g, k?"

Sellers are not stupid. Even lowest of low greens would go at least for 5k, and fast. And imagine if supply of some stuff runs out (guaranteed because people didn't farm for greens for ages and stashes of greens are nonexistent ... noone keeps todays junk.). With many people having many characters to fill HoM you would end up seeing "WTB any green scythe, 20k".

Do you even realize how easy it is to farm greens? Theres countless bosses right outside town portals waiting for you to farm them, so why buy them when you can probably farm 11 greens in under an hour? (hello a/e or e/a)

As for the weapons to be displayed in the HoM i pretty much agree with Yawgmoth.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

18 May 2008 at 17:08 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celebrian

Do you even realize how easy it is to farm greens? Theres countless bosses right outside town portals waiting for you to farm them, so why buy them when you can probably farm 11 greens in under an hour? (hello a/e or e/a)

So what? Why does the entire playerbase have to be screwed over, just because some half-wit might like to farm any old tat for their HoM? And why isn't the same argument applied to the hero monument? Those armour upgrades are pretty easy to get, too.

If the weapon monument accepted *any* weapon, I'd fill it in a couple of minutes and it wouldn't cost me anything. Yet would actually mean something, because it would contain the bows I've collected for 3 years of playing this game.

But just fill it with expensive tokens and hope the GW2 unlock is worth it? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Covah

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ontario, Canada

Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ]

Me/Rt

18 May 2008 at 17:14 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I dare you to get those 66 green weapons (remeber, its 6x each kind of weapon) in 5 minutes for about 50k (hell, ill give you +/- 50k leeway).

You only need 11 to fill the HoM.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 May 2008 at 17:16 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celebrian

Do you even realize how easy it is to farm greens? Theres countless bosses right outside town portals waiting for you to farm them, so why buy them when you can probably farm 11 greens in under an hour? (hello a/e or e/a)

As for the weapons to be displayed in the HoM i pretty much agree with Yawgmoth.

Do you realize how many people have no idea about that? All they would know is that greens can be put to HoM, and that they never even saw one drop except what they got at endgame.

Do you know how many people actually have characters that can farm those items? And you are talking about very diverse set of farming locations because you need to get 11 different greens. Thats lotsa PvEing to get char to right places.

Also, if people are ginna get greens to be dedicated, they might want to get the ones they would like to equip to heroes ... most of easily soloable aint exactly fist choice.

I dont argue about that it can't be obtained by one player under one day (one hour seems like huge exageration - even with 2-3x green drop events, droprate is quite low.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

You only need 11 to fill the HoM.

Person i was replying to claimed he can fill monument of 6 characters like that ...

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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18 May 2008 at 17:19 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

You only need 11 to fill the HoM.

Yes but other poster said they could do it for 6 characters, so 6X11=66

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

18 May 2008 at 17:30 - 141

I don't see why they would implement Greens into the HoM.

Any one who actually plays gw properly should have a weapon with a skin they like and the stats that atcually work for them and there build.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

18 May 2008 at 17:33 - 142

Greens are for poor people. Which brings me to another question; why are people poor? this game literally gives you money, yet the average person has ~20k.

I can see them adding the Deldrimor and Tormented.

Mister_Smiley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

18 May 2008 at 17:41 - 143

Well there really isn't much to go on, they could be adding in a hole new set of weapons that are for the hall. I mean after all who knows what they have laying around in the database that we have never seen or even on there own server that they test. Do people forget that the Deldrimor items where done almost a year ago, which means there could be other stuff that we have never even seen yet laying around. I just hope that it dosn't mess it up , so that people who have put all the destroyer weapons in the hall get the bad end of the stick. If any weapons should be added, i would say that BMP skins and the Tormented would be the best bet, or something brand spanking new. Anywho thats my two cents

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

18 May 2008 at 17:55 - 144

I don't see why Green weapons wouldn't be added, just because they're looked on relatively lowly these days, they still seem the most "special", even though I personally stick with Golds. It would certainly help to boost their value again, and it would make the most sense, in my opinion.

Abonai Laguna

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Isle of the Dead [CoC] GH

Company Of Corpses [CoC]

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18 May 2008 at 18:03 - 145

My guess is tormented weaponry

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

W/

18 May 2008 at 18:12 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Do you realize how many people have no idea about that? All they would know is that greens can be put to HoM, and that they never even saw one drop except what they got at endgame.

Do you know how many people actually have characters that can farm those items? And you are talking about very diverse set of farming locations because you need to get 11 different greens. Thats lotsa PvEing to get char to right places.

Also, if people are ginna get greens to be dedicated, they might want to get the ones they would like to equip to heroes ... most of easily soloable aint exactly fist choice.

I dont argue about that it can't be obtained by one player under one day (one hour seems like huge exageration - even with 2-3x green drop events, droprate is quite low.)

To be honest, if someone doesnt know how to farm greens, or where to obtain them, or havnt got a character through all the campaigns they should be focusing on different aspects in the game and not HoM. Theres solo builds for almost every single profession to obtain greens. Point is greens are too easy to get and so shouldnt be implemented. But hey, who am i to tell people what to do.

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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18 May 2008 at 18:18 - 147

deldrimor and/or tormented...though I wished they'd keep their word of no others than destroyer weapons...

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 May 2008 at 18:59 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celebrian

To be honest, if someone doesnt know how to farm greens, or where to obtain them, or havnt got a character through all the campaigns they should be focusing on different aspects in the game and not HoM. Theres solo builds for almost every single profession to obtain greens. Point is greens are too easy to get and so shouldnt be implemented. But hey, who am i to tell people what to do.

You really need to play with non-hardcore people or people who are hardcore in different way than "ecto gloves owner". Anet states that vast majority of players have less than 20 (?) k at storage. Those people dont farm. They have no desire and need to do it. They just play game and dont look for seccond job. Guess they cant be allowed to have HoM monuments ... such scrubs ... right?

But hey, who are we to tell people that only 100k+ectoes stuff is worthy enough of their HoMs...

Point is, allowing low-end-ish stuff can greatly influence economy in good way because it would finially give reason to that kind of stuff to exist and for players to buy/sell it.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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18 May 2008 at 19:19 - 149

If it Tormented, it will be the final straw on how they are completely mess over the economy with the duping event. Rewarding the people who profited from that exploit should not happen. Only reason armbraces are goin down is because people don't care for a old skin anymore, but if they add Tormented to HoM, it will pop up just the Zkeys. Do not add rewards in GW2 for item knowned to be duped, and wasn't rolled back.
On a side note, if these were new weapons that use rare mats, which frankly need a boost in price, in end game areas around the game, I'm all for it.
Anything that improves the economy of legit items, (because who would honesty duped jadite or vellum). I'd stay away from ectos and armbraces, which have been knowned to be duped.

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

18 May 2008 at 19:39 - 150

its bad enough having to pony up for 11 expensive weps, i dont want to have shell out for any more useless items
and where are we gonna store em them?

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

18 May 2008 at 19:40 - 151

I laugh hard when people still bring the duping issue when talking about Tormenteds added to HoM.
Just LoL.

The people who profitted from that are rich enough to buy ANYTHING! Telling that adding tormented weapons to HoM would reward them is be as dumb as telling that anything else that can be bought also rewards them! Almost whole HoM can be freakin bought!

3rd year minis? ohno! dupers can buy them!
zaishen title? zomg! dupers can just go and get it!
new hot weapon skins? waaaaah dupers!
new everlasting tonics? more goods for teh dupars!
...

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

18 May 2008 at 19:44 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Greens are for poor people. Which brings me to another question; why are people poor? this game literally gives you money, yet the average person has ~20k.

I can see them adding the Deldrimor and Tormented.

a loy more than that since xunlai got implemented, anyone can make some cash with those keys+minis

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

18 May 2008 at 20:44 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abonai Laguna

My guess is tormented weaponry

This GuildWars player has just won this thread.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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18 May 2008 at 22:32 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

3rd year minis? ohno! dupers can buy them!
zaishen title? zomg! dupers can just go and get it!
new hot weapon skins? waaaaah dupers!
new everlasting tonics? more goods for teh dupars!
...

who takes armbraces as a form of currency for any of these, excluding tonics. The reason armbraces are 100k each is because very few people want torment weapons anymore. even if you had 1000+ armbraces to afford all these things, it would take forever to convert them into ecto and cash to afford everything. Currently i have no problem that the duped item are staying in the super high end where it doesn't effect my gameplay.
It Torment were added to HoM, there would be a demand for the weapons again, and then the peopel who benefited from the exploit (those who traded high end items for rediculous amount of armbraces) would be able to sell them for 200k at least (look at zkey during the title release). Do you honestly thinking doubling the buying power of the high end is a good idea.

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

18 May 2008 at 22:38 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

I laugh hard when people still bring the duping issue when talking about Tormenteds added to HoM.
Just LoL.

The people who profitted from that are rich enough to buy ANYTHING! Telling that adding tormented weapons to HoM would reward them is be as dumb as telling that anything else that can be bought also rewards them! Almost whole HoM can be freakin bought!

3rd year minis? ohno! dupers can buy them!
zaishen title? zomg! dupers can just go and get it!
new hot weapon skins? waaaaah dupers!
new everlasting tonics? more goods for teh dupars!
...

There's also Ebayer's, gold sellers, people who profited off the 117 (only the severe abused got banned), oh and can't forget about that glittering dust turned into 250 ecto's scam, and that's not even the tip of the ice berg.

Yet since they seem to be wincing about changes on the HoM weapons. They better be ready to open the flood gates to other changes that they are reluctant in wanting to change. But that's a whole topic and will wait to see if this change does indeed happen.

But here’s to wishing that they can’t make the link between games.

Lawrence Chang

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

United States

[SOHE]

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18 May 2008 at 22:51 - 156

They should at least allow people to put up END-GAME greens, as those are actually "trophies" of showing that you completed a campaign.

My guess would be Tormented weapons...

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

18 May 2008 at 22:57 - 157

End game greens? you mean the same ones that can be bought for 5k?

I'd agree with you IF they were player customized once received. Anyone can have an end-game green by spamming WTB in Spamadan.

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

18 May 2008 at 22:58 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Anyone can have an end-game green by spamming WTB in Spamadan.

and thats why no to greens IMO

Thizzle

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2008

18 May 2008 at 23:32 - 159

I'm positive that tormented weapons will be added to the Hall of Monuments. I don't think they'll put ever end game weapon in it because that is way too many weapons.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

18 May 2008 at 23:41 - 160

Just guessing here like everyone else but I am guessing that they will increase the number of weapons that can be added to the monument so people that spent all that money on destroyers weapons are not left out. I am guessing the monument will be able to hold 44 weapons and only display 11.

I don’t see them adding torment weapons since it does not match the crafter weapons like destroyers. I do see them adding weapons like the Deldrimor weapons since it matches the Destroyers weapons.

So my guess are:

Prophecies: Deldrimor Weapons
Factions: New Weapons or re-use a skin and add a crafter
Nightfall: New Weapons or re-use a skin and add a crafter
Eye of the North: Destroyer.

Just guessing again but if they add a crafter to the end game area for nightfall and use the torment skin it would kill the ambrace market. I really wouldn’t mind using the torment skin as long as I can add my current torment weapons.

Factions has me most intrigued since two weapon sets I like are Zodiac and Celestial. Be nice to get a Celestial or Zodiac recurve bow.