extremely bad players

Eh, Tyla pretty sure the op's point was that people take the game too seriously. Sorta what you just acted like in your post

^^ best kind of "bad" player out there. i've adopted a few of these. some of these are now core in mid range(r900-r600) gvg guilds, some dont play any more. w/e, tehy wanted to get better and for the most part they did (not saying im any sort of guild wars guru...)

i just cant be nice to bad players who ursanway in pve land and consider themselves good players because they gimmick big titles....
i also cant be nice when i see r9/10+sway groups forming
i CAN be nice when i see warriors fail with bull's strike. nice isnt the right word.. supportively criticizing is the phrase im after. they're at least trying to get good at game. running Ursanway(pveland) Sway(haland), your skills are never going to improve and until you stop gimmicking you are going to be a bad player.

also.. buying invites to DF doesnt make you a good player but it does look sexy when you ursanway.

I always try to take the high road when dealing with players like that and try to help the players that genuinely are trying but aren't doing very well but for those that rage on everyone telling the monks there noobs because they keep dieing well i tend to ignore them unless they simply push me beyond my capacity of forgiveness

I PuG on quite the occasion and in most cases when I encounter a bad player I'll do my best to guide him along. However in some instances they don't listen and would wind up face first on the pavement, in which case I would say something a long the lines of, "I told you so". After a few deaths they tend to catch on.

I actually don't have much of a hard time with someone who asks for advice and listens. The type that goes "well here's my bar, I usually run with this but there could be ameliorations; if you want me to switch, just tell me what to bring". I have little to no problem with that type of player. Once inside an area, they are careful - they'll follow lead if not familiar with the area, if they are they'll be careful anyways.

Most chat, some don't... and some are still completely arrogant. The latters are good players, they know their stuff, but they have this arrogant, in-your-face attitude that can sometimes become annoying. Try suggesting something, for example, and they'll shoot it down right off the bat and with a pretty rude attitude.

It's the rude ones I have a hard time with. "OMFG U AGGROED THIS MOB U ****ING NOOB!!!"... then they overextend and die. "OMFG U MONKS DIDNT HEAL ME U ALL SUCK /ragequit". These people, IMHO, are probably the worse. They usually play the "I'm better than you" card and try to take lead, when they fail they think everyone else sucks. They refuse valid skill changes (hex removal, prot skills, interrupts, etc) for a given area, they blame others for their deaths when it's their own fault, and they rub their whatever ranks in your face when someone makes a mistake.

The worse? I uusally have one of or more of those players in 90% of my team. Some sound mature and do make changes, but once in explorable they turn in a-hole mode and are hard to work with.

Most of these people will take a lot of time to reply in chat unless they're about to die or have stood "too long" (2-5 mins) idle in the outpost when you're waiting for someone; they're impatient and WNT 2 GO NOW. GOGOGOGOGOG. They won't take advice, saying that they're better than you. They're also the ones to try to take lead, overextend and blame the leader/puller/monks on their deaths... Some of those will rage, most will stay and insult or grief the team, while the minority will have learned their lesson.

Bad players make the game fun to play. In PvE, you expect it when PUGing, and you just laugh at what you get to see. For example, consider a build like this that was pinged for the team.

[soul feast][animate bone minions][death nova][blood of the master][divine boon][heaven's delight][signet of devotion][resurrect]

11 Death Magic
10 Blood Magic
10 Divine Favor

Not sure on runes, but I don't think it matters much. This was a build for OGDEN. No Blood Magic skills, yet 10 attribute points in Blood Magic. Minions on a Monk. Resurrect (worst rez in game) on a Monk.

This is what makes the game fun. You get to laugh every day you PUG.

Oh yeah, you have to love people who think their heroes are the best thing ever. It most often happens with monk heroes. I've had situations when the pug refused my monk heroes (was playing my ele then) because the PUG monk persuaded them he and his monk heroes are the bomb. No energy management, Healing Breezes, Bane Signets and the like. I hate to throw my weight around but I had to load my monk, show off smelly guildhall title, rank the wolf and ping some sensible monk builds in order to make them listen to reason. And they did.

After our first attempt at the mission failed due to monk and his heroes having no energy and sufficient heal power. Ofcourse, the monk called me a noob and rage-quitted after the first wipe. I really like his obsi armor and chaos gloves, though.

Chton: i would bet that 1st kind bad player is usually not doing it on purpose and is more of a 4th kind (careful explanation helps, usually). Hes more of a bad player that has no idea that he is bad but is still decent human being.

Anyway, i love 4th kind of bad player because they can be helped and are fun to play with.

However, there is always risk that type 2 bad player get hands on them first and will spoil them with misinformation, creating another bad player of type 2.

I seriously dont care what other ppl do in this game. There are times I act all "mature" or w.e and other times when ppl ask me if I'm a 12 year old boy, which cracks me up. Its suppose to be FUN, its a GAME. I just dont let things get to me I guess cuz its funny as hell. I enjoy pugs (yes I do) and I dont usually have a problem with them. *yawn* QQ more imo.

Usually when I HA or GvG I turn local chat off & just gg after the match is on, win or lose. On the rare occasion that I forget to turn off local, I let the child talk his smack, then after (hopefully) we beat their team in 3 mins or less I let him know never give us insentive to kick his ass & leave it at that. Sometimes the idiot that will pm me & every other word is a cuss word talking about what they did to my mom or sister, I let them know my mom is 74 yrs old, have fun shagging an old lady, & I don't have a sister that was my brother. They usually shut up after that.

GW seems to be infested with this type of bad players who think they know it all already.

[QUOTE=Antheus]There was consequence. Act like a jerk on persistent servers, and you'll quickly find yourself playing alone, with nobody to trade with you, nobody to group with you for that 10 person instance, nobody to take you into guild to protect you from ganking, etc...

From my experience with WoW, I can verify that this is a very accurate statement. Get some bad rep going around and you might as well transfer to another server - no one will want to play with you.

Another solid point. In GW, the only thing you have to lose is time, and some people have a *lot* of that to spare.

My problem with bad players is simple. I don't care about the stupid gold or the dumb mission. I DO care that they have just wasted up to 3 hours of my life, pointlessly, because they are too stupid to understand simple principles like luring or prot monking.

These people won't get shouted at because they aren't worth the effort, I just leave and go do something else to calm down.

Believe me, the decline of PUGS was not because of heroes or because of rude people. I had stopped pugging long before NF and used henchmen for everything. Heroes simply allowed more people to not have to PUG and risk getting the possible retards in the outpost.

The guy who asks for better sportsmanship is called a flame baiter.


Ironic much?

I agree with Sparks. There's nothing wrong with reminding players to be a little more gracious and patient. Most of the weak players are those who don't play enough. I was on a Factions mission which included a lvl 19 Assassin who died a few times. (Keep in mind one unknown 55 monk bailed at the start) Once we finished most of our group wanted to go on to the next part. The leader of the group kicked the assassin out, because he had died a few times, and he and some of the others began to make insulting remarks about him. Needless to say I left the group and joined up with the assassin to do the next part of the quest. Yes, we finished it, and with no problem too. I did give him a bit of advise with his build which he took - he was just inexperienced.

I only kicked a player out of my group one time when I was doing Heart of the Shiverpeaks quest, because the player refused to kick his heros, even after several team members and I asked him to, and explained why we needed real players and no heros. Again more of an inexperienced player who thought putting in different heros would be acceptable, but needed to learn how with work with a team.

Insulting and making fun of other players ruins the game for me. Those are the bad players IMHO.

Guild Wars is srs biznes.

Seriously though, I prefer to get the job done.
Or if I fail, I don't expect seriously bad loss.

If it is, I'm playing badly that day. It happens to me on Halo 3, CoD4 etc...

CONTINUE, FIGHT, AND CARRY ON UNTIL THE END!!!!!!!!!!

Ok I would like to start here because I don't think most people who use this word even know its meaning. So allow me to educate.

Elitism: Noun
1.practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2.consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

3.The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

4.The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
5.Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Now I hope this helps all those people who throw the word around to learn to use it correctly.

Back on topic.

I think everyone knows that the general public on almost any game is like a fishing pond, and trying to communicate with them is like casting your line and sinking your lure. Only getting bit is a bad thing on a game. On everygame I'v played online there has always been a large population of disfunctional adults and unsupervised children who act out because they can.

This leads to the question of how they live in real life, they probably don't have the best of lives to begin with, or they are simply angry people who vent online rather than beat their girlfriends or smash peoples car windows. Honestly there is no telling what causes those people to rage as they do. But it is NOT the game alone. The game is simply the final pushing point til they burst. Which leads me to believe how emotionally fragil these people really are.

People like that won't change simply to make another person they don't even know feel better. We also have people who are addicted to the game and anything they view as "wrong" will voice their opinion. Sometimes they express this in a hostile way.

There is nothing you can do to change this, But there are a few things you can do to prevent yourself from being in a situation where you are a victim of it. 1 is of course is H/H, H/H never curse you out or belittle you simply because you accidently aggroed and got party wiped 99% of the way through the mission. 2 is to turn local and team chat OFF while in a party so you dont have to hear anyones comments. 3 is to place names in the ignore section and 4 is to play with people you know won't act hostile.

I have been playing online games for a long time, somewhere around 60-100 games online total in my lifetime from the pc, xbox, playstation, not to forget lan parties. In every game there are hostile people. Its unavoidable unless you only play offline games, but that just sucks because there are some very enjoyable online games, like guildwars used to be.

We are human beings and there for flawed, we must then leave room for human error which will always accure. No one is perfect, not even in the video game world. So next time someone attacks you with hostile text or tries to belittle you with the commonly used term of Noob,Nub,Nob and weaksause just let it go.

Ask yourself this question. Who are they(the person attacking you) that you should care about what they say? Do you love them? Do you admire them? Are they friends or strangers? Most likely they are nothing to you and their words should ring empty in your ears, Do not let them affect you, do not give them that power.

And to the people who do the attacking, who often add salt to the wound let me tell you, unless its a sabature who wants you to fail in purpose, when people make mistakes they are sorry for it. They do not need a jerk to spout angry words at them which wont do any good anyways. When you speak to someone with respect they tend to listen, when you scream at someone they tend to block the words out as you seem like a loony toon with no weight to you're words. Try having more understanding and realise that they most likely did not mean to fail the mission for the party. they failed to.

People often don't change, and when they do and face the same treatment even though they put forth effort to try to do better they often become one of the hostile people. Or at the very least anti social. Hence the true decline in pugs.

Show respect and respect will be returned, Show disrespect and end up not having anyone willing to play with you.

What happens if you are like that in real life? My friends and guild mates (some who know me in RL, otherwise ventrilo) can attest to I say what's on my mind when and however well I want, if it comes across as rude oh well, that's me.

However, if anyone ever states/asks/whatever that they are new, didn't know or could they get some help, I say yes, even if I am a bit of a $%@! when doing so ^^.

But again, the number 2 type posted previously are the most annoying types.

I hate Bad Warriors, the rush, rush, rush, Over aggro because you have real monks in the party warriors.

/who cares its just a game and if you are getting hurt because some one is calling you a noob or you mess up it dosnt matter. people shouldnt take this game so seriously it dosnt ever change anything that goes on in your life.

"The ultimate consequence of protecting men from the results of their own folly is to fill the world with fools." - Herbert Spencer

Tolerance of idiocy and incompetence only breeds more of it. There's no reason to be rude, but there's also no reason to put up with people that are clearly messing things up for you. The fact that GW is a game cuts both ways. You can argue that because it's just for fun, people shouldn't take it too seriously. I argue that if playing with someone is not fun, you shouldn't be playing with them.

Don't even start on 'elitism'.

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

wow, that infuriated me so much that I had to make an account just to respond.
My first reaction was: What?!? and then again: What?!?
How on earth can you argue that sportsmanship, good manners, and courtesy are a bad thing? I can't name one circumstance when being nice to someone was a worse option than being a jerk, where you earn more by making people hate you than being a good person.
and insulting as motivation? that's just plain horrible, how about wanting to win to get the nice respectful good job of your companions? B/c, I don't want to play a game w/ people who would insult me, regardless of skill level

I don't think anyone tolerates idiocy we just choose to ignore it because if we did try to fix noobs it would take till GW15 before we'd finish.

There will always be players that will act like jerks to everyone. There is little you can do about them, but sometimes I just really want to know what they are thinking in their minds.

So... you like bad sportmanship? You like that when you loose, someone will run up to you, shout in your face ,,IN YOUR FACE, YOU STUPID F**!'' and kick you in the groin? Wow. I would rather have super-nice idiots that say ,,gg'' after loosing 500:20 than such morons that ruin the fun for everyone.



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Bad attitude, whats wrong with saying gg for a fight well fought.?

Grow up.

Then you shouldn't be surprised that most people will try to show what a looser you are on this thread. If you need something to become better, that's your problem, not ours. Most people want sportmanship because they prefer a positive attitude, rather than a childish reaction. So grow up a sense of satisfaction and some sportmanship and see you on the other side of the fence!

It's possible to have a positive attitude in competitive activities. What's bad is the handholding and carebearism that pveers seem to expect.

After wearing Lee's forces down and defeating the Confederate Army, Grant, called a "butcher" by Southerners and Northerners alike, accepted Lee's surrender like a gentleman, and allowed Lee's forces to retain their sidearms and horses instead of taking them as spoils of war. He treated his adversary with honor.

You can win and not be an ass about it.

LOL this is an internet game and words seldom do much damage, try playing a contact sport and see who holds your hand then in the middle of a game.... no bugger does.

If you think PvErs need a comfort blanket to play this game you are
deluded.

Ignoring is tolerating, as you're not doing anything to fix the problem.

There's a difference between "handholding" and being helpful.

Example: My first time in RA, I made a monk because people always complain when they don't get a monk, so I thought I might actually be some help. I did fairly well, I think, for a first timer. We went 4 or 5 rounds before a good cripshotter/AoE team took us down hard. I did make one big newbie mistake mistake, though: I had Resurrect on my bar.

One of my teammates gave me the oh-so-incredibly-helpful "OMG LOL Rez on a Monk GG N00B"

Another one explained that if I'm rezzing, I'm not protting or healing, and that was bad. Also introduced me to rebirth+energy hiding, and a few other tips on my bar (but he did not build my bar for me). He was a lot of help.

If I could remember his name, I'd put it here, because he deserves the props for not being a snotrag.

People help those who help themselves. That includes doing any needed work beforehand, not in the middle of a match.

afk is not a bad player. it's leeching. the person knows exactly what they are doing.

generally I find that the people who tell others what skills to bring and how to play are the most likely to fail.
that's the ticket! More fun through fear,anger & self worth through comparison! oh wait...

Yeah, people who advertise like this "GLF 1 more ele (build provided)". Happened to me once, the build they gave me wasn't exactly up to date (it was an echo chain nuker), I let him know my MB build was better. Either way, he insisted that I was a "n00b" and I left. Honestly in a random pug you have no right to tell other people what to bring, you may suggest changes and maybe ask them to change to a different style but pinging a build and saying "use this" is silly.

That guy was just a douche. Whenever I see someone using a hard res, I'll typically pm them when I get a chance and ask what their strategy was. If it turns out they just started RAing, I'll explain the benefits of res sig to them. If it turns out they had a plan, I gain some new insight.

At times, it sure seems like they do. However, I am aware thats not the case with all PvErs.

I was running a E/Mo wards build in RA as a support build (just for kicks and giggles), not a spike build by any means. I threw in Obsidian Flesh since I was more team defense and squishy."OMG! Obby Flesh Go back to PvE, Noob!" I was the last one standing and had mentioned the wards as cover, I figured the issue was the melee folks kept getting kited away from them. I would cast, the other team would kite, my team followed and died.

The next round, I had a similar team (one less assassin) that made full use of the wards and went for 8 rounds before falling to a three monk team. So, am I a bad player, or was my first team blind to the potential of damage reduction? Should I only run airspike or shatterstone builds because everyone else does? Personally, i use RA to test ideas that I might use later in PvE. The challenge of real players instead on mobs makes me rethink things and my role in a group...keeps the mind frsh. I even built a lighting toucher outta my ranger just to see if it would work!

I would consider myself a player of modest knowlegde from my 3 yrs exp. I never pretend to know everything. If I lose, i lose and if I win, I win and it's always gg either way. Thing is, I don't really care about PvP in an obsessive ragequit kind of way. I do it for f-u-n!

If Im TA, I consult my team, make adjustments as reccommended by more seasoned players if they seem reasonable...same for GvG. In AB, I run whatever I feel like as it's all run-n-gun, no one really seems to notice. "Ping builds" before we leave and I'm usually running a pet tank, sometimes a trapper, sometimes just some random thing I threw together that has, say, Weaken Armor + Body Shot jsut to see how it helps with energy management...no one EVER says anything about the skills I ping so why do they even ask?

It's all very silly how irked ppl gets from a game. just play have fun and say "gg" win or lose. Let other folks get all pissy.

I would like to think their are plenty of good players out there, with a few that ruin the game for everyone else. I personally go out of my way sometimes to help people that are new to certain situations.

In the past few months I have taken a strong liking to the PvE Elite Mission - Domain of Anqusih. In my many hours of gameplay spent doing this mission, I have definately come across many people. Including those that are offensive, and believe that they have the right to.

IN DoA, it is usually easy to tell when someone is new to the area, especially when they take quests without realizing their consequences, or taking pathes which lead to an high level of pops. From here, there are two things that can happen. One, you can proceed to whispering that player, or talking to them in teamchat, and giving them a step by step guide to what they should and should not do, and why not. Many players will take the help with open arms, and in turn, will play better. Unfortunately, most players (Or the one bad apple) will always try the second approach. Being offensive. Whcih generally, produces negative results.

Why people turn to this route, I do not know. I do wish they would not, as it makes the game experience as a whole less desirable. Also, to all those people who say that nothing can be done, and ignore/leave it be. Shame on you. As a good player you should know their are many things you can do. If a player insults you, or anyone else in your party, in any or abusive fashion, warn them, then report them.

Many people get the feeling that its a game, they can't be punished, so they can be as rude as they want. However, if they are rude or offensive to you, whisper them. Tell them that if they continue that you will have to report them for verbal abuse. In many cases, the warning will force them into submission, because suddenly, their is a consequence. This consequence is also very realy.