Furthur changes for PVE only please

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Not that I care, but since Anet decided to seperate PVP from PVE and have still done an asshat job of it:

*Remove the 3 enchant limit on Mystic Regen
*Splinter Weapon back to unlimited targets
*Give Mhenlo in Eotn LoD back (and make it 5s recharge again, not just 6)
*Bring back armor stacking in PVE
*Remove loot scaling

Paragons

*Revert the motivation line of skills back to what they were on release
- Bigger heals
- Shorter recharge on SoR (it was 15 secs before)
- Energising Finale - bring back energy gain scaling with rank in motivation
- (any other reverts to paragons, all of these things were only changed due to imbalance in PVP)
- Revert Aggressive Refrain


Elementalist


- Stoneflesh Aura - revert back to its previous duration
- Gale - revert back to 5e and 3s KD
- Searing Flames - back to the damage it had on release


Necromancers

- Bring back soul reaping to its original effect (+energy per death including spirits)
- Revert skill nerfs to the Anti Melee line of skills under curses

I'm not too good with necro skills unfortunately, but will add specific skill suggestions here if people suggest them.

Mesmer:

- Energy Surge / Energy burn - 10s recharges
- Shatter enchant / Mirror of disenchantment - 15s recharges
- Spiritual Pain - Back to 106 AoE damage
- Enchanters Conundrum - Back to the imba 106+ damage when it ends
- Hex Eater Vortex - 10s recharge, 126 damage (it is currently worse then shatter hex for PVE)
- Ineptitude - 15 sec recharge
- Clumsiness / Wandering eye - 8 sec durations, maybe more damage
- Images of Remorse - 1s cast time, same damage as clumsiness but single target only

I'm sure that there is plenty more that I havnt yet looked into, but that is all I can think off for now.

And before you talk about balance and economy in PVE, No one cares about PVE balance anymore, especially not Anet, and the Economy is already dead.

Esan

Esan

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Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

This is not the suggestions forum. Someone who has been on guru as long as you should know this already, so you are simply flouting the rules.

FlamingMetroid

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standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

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yay make it easier! Its not like we don't already have a win button or anything ^_________^
OWAIT [ursan blessing]

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
- Bring back soul reaping to its original effect (+energy per death including spirits)
Yes, encourage people at AN who don't have a clue to keep buffing pve shit as it's not easy enough as it is now.
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No one cares about PVE balance anymore
I do, actually. I guess I'm like Braveheart.

sph0nz

sph0nz

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Join Date: May 2005

none.

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Playing AoC now, but still loving Guru for the epic lulz
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nice try.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I do, actually. I guess I'm like Braveheart.
I do as well, but obviously Anet and the majority of players dont.

fgarvin

fgarvin

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Join Date: Sep 2005

And everyone remember, these changes will affect the mobs as well. Spells we use to cause more damage will also cause more damage to us when used by mobs. I only state because a good percentage of posts seem to not factor in this little fact.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

I was wondering how long it would take someone to suggest reverting Spiritual Pain.

But this is the wrong place for suggestions. You want to be one section down in the "Sardelac Sanitarium."

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by fgarvin
And everyone remember, these changes will affect the mobs as well. Spells we use to cause more damage will also cause more damage to us when used by mobs. I only state because a good percentage of posts seem to not factor in this little fact.
They used to do that much damage before as well.

yay for making PVE a little more challenging at the same time

Being

Being

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Join Date: May 2007

Society Of Souls [Argh]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
*Bring back armor stacking in PVE
*Remove loot scaling
*Bring back soul reaping to its original effect (+energy per death including
Would love to see them or at least one of them 3 changed back, though they are the 3 less likely ones Anet would touch... =(

[skill]energizing wind[/skill] I fail to understand why this has not been changed yet for PvE.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

I have contributions too.

Revert Eviscerate, Gale, Distortion, Protective Bond, Shield of Deflection, Divine Boon, Searing Flames, LoD, GoLE, Splinter Weapon, Ancestor's Rage, TNTF, Elemental Lord, Shadow Prison, Ritual Lord, as well as anything else.

New buffs - Incoming - 15 Seconds. 50% damage mitigation owwnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- BHA - no arc, flies twice as fast, unblockable.
- Deep Freeze, bump damage @ 14 spec to 120
- Triple Chop, add Deep Wound if enchanted
- Punishing Shot - add Daze if a spell is interrupted
- "Charge!", change to Party-wide echo.

beaverlegions

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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lol basically you are asking for farming buff, if the changes you want are applied, anyone with a credit card will be able to buy a good bot or even make one himself. As if farming wasn't alrdy too easy : /
o yeah and make there is nothing to fear recharge twice faster too that'd help, that way i could get my survivor title and do doa hm at the same time
o yeah and stackable weapon spells, make barrage usable with preparations and insta recharge sb while your at it you could also make ursan not give nrj degen too and allow ppl to use more than one rune of each kind.
You guys should think for half a sec, ursan alrdy ruined pve in gw, is that a reason to ruin it more? sure ursan made gw accesible to handicapped ppl and noobs.
But come on when was last time you had fun doing one of the "hard" missions and felt proud of yourself and your guild when you beat it?
And no id didnt start playing yesterday, I've been in gw since euro release.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I have contributions too.
Thanks. I will add them.

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions
lol basically you are asking for farming buff
Hallo Ascalonian Squire, did you start playing last week?

I am asking for the skills to be reverted back to what they initially were before being nerfed purely for PVP balance. And also Mesmer buffs to make them better at PVE. You probably never noticed what the skills used to be like before being nerfed.

And Anet have already uber buffed farming with Shadow Form and Ether Renewal, like it could get any worse.

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

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Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

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Not that I care if anything is changed in PVE but all I see is a total revert to everything that was imba, lulz factor is high here. May as well just incorporate a complete mission/quest button instead, now that would be the best implementation yet!!!

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
May as well just incorporate a complete mission/quest button instead, now that would be the best implementation yet!!!
Ursan Blessing?

Things were only imba in PVP, they were never imba in PVE because nothing can be imba in PVE.

As other people would say about PVE skills, if you dont like it dont use it. Not that I believe that, but that is what the majority believe since Anet are listening to them correct?

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
Not that I care if anything is changed in PVE but all I see is a total revert to everything that was imba, lulz factor is high here. May as well just incorporate a complete mission/quest button instead, now that would be the best implementation yet!!!
Eh, sometimes, I feel like hero/henching DoA on HM. These buffs would allow me to do it.

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

And while they're at it...give us our pet corpses back plz. As well as our trapping spirits.

DeBron

DeBron

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Join Date: Oct 2006

MD

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Not that I care, but since Anet decided to seperate PVP from PVE and have still done an asshat job of it:

*Remove the 3 enchant limit on Mystic Regen
*Splinter Weapon back to unlimited targets
*Give Mhenlo in Eotn LoD back (and make it 5s recharge again, not just 6)
*Bring back armor stacking in PVE
*Remove loot scaling

*Revert the motivation line of skills back to what they were on release
- Bigger heals
- Shorter recharge on SoR (it was 15 secs before)
- Energising Finale - bring back energy gain scaling with rank in motivation
- (any other reverts to paragons, all of these things were only changed due to imbalance in PVP)

Other possible changes:

Elementalist


- Stoneflesh Aura - revert back to its previous duration
- Gale - revert back to 5e and 3s KD
- Searing Flames - back to the damage it had on release


Necromancers

- Bring back soul reaping to its original effect (+energy per death including spirits)
- Revert skill nerfs to the Anti Melee line of skills under curses

I'm not too good with necro skills unfortunately, but will add specific skill suggestions here if people suggest them.

Mesmer:

- Energy Surge / Energy burn - 10s recharges
- Shatter enchant / Mirror of disenchantment - 15s recharges
- Spiritual Pain - Back to 106 AoE damage
- Enchanters Conundrum - Back to the imba 106+ damage when it ends
- Hex Eater Vortex - 10s recharge, 126 damage (it is currently worse then shatter hex for PVE)
- Ineptitude - 15 sec recharge
- Clumsiness / Wandering eye - 8 sec durations, maybe more damage
- Images of Remorse - 1s cast time, same damage as clumsiness but single target only

I'm sure that there is plenty more that I havnt yet looked into, but that is all I can think off for now.

And before you talk about balance and economy in PVE, No one cares about PVE balance anymore, especially not Anet, and the Economy is already dead.
I didn't think you were serious at first.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeBron
I didn't think you were serious at first.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates

Quote:
Restoration of Skill Effectiveness in PvE
Anet are serious about this I think, but they arent doing a serious job of it IMO. I'm just pointing out what they missed, regardless of what my opinions on PVE balance are, because Anet have swept PVE balance under the carpet now and forgotten all about it.

I will keep on adding more to the OP if people suggest it, if you want me to add specific skills and classes, please put them in a format similar to mine so that I can copy paste them thanks.

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

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Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
As other people would say about PVE skills, if you dont like it dont use it. Not that I believe that, but that is what the majority believe since Anet are listening to them correct?
Hehe that statement is fine and dandy until there is nothing left to use that isn't imba
Guess they never thought about that one

beaverlegions

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Siege Turtles

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv

Hallo Ascalonian Squire, did you start playing last week?
Can you please explain to me and everyone whats the link between the little title in guru forums and my seniority in guild wars? did know guru and guild wars account were linked.
Anyway cant wait till the buffs you talk about come ingame, rly want to solo uw with my mesmer and get like 50 gold drops every run, i'll prolly make a survivor while soloing uw too.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
No one cares about PVE balance anymore,
Speak for yourself, some of us still want the game to be challenging and fun, rather than an exercise in repetitive loot collection.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Epic troll. Grats.

around

around

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Join Date: May 2006

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If everything is imba everything is balanced!

Wastrel's Collapse: Now ends after 1/4 second
Balthazar's Pendulum: In the area KD

etc etc

Ec]-[oMaN

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
Speak for yourself, some of us still want the game to be challenging and fun, rather than an exercise in repetitive loot collection.
That's funny were'nt you one of the thousands that were upset without unlimited energy when Soul reaping got nerfed?

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
Speak for yourself, some of us still want the game to be challenging and fun, rather than an exercise in repetitive loot collection.
The game hasnt been challenging in a long time, and for a lot of people, solo farming is fun

If you dont like it, you dont have to use it. Dont use Imbagon or Sabway at all. If you have ever used either, then you arent really playing a challenging game.

And as for the mesmer changes mesmers, when was the last time you used a mesmer hero?

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spawnofebil
If everything is imba everything is balanced!

Wastrel's Collapse: Now ends after 1/4 second
Balthazar's Pendulum: In the area KD

etc etc
In a very odd way you're right. If ANet buffed the shit out of everything, wouldn't that have the same effect? I mean, certain skills are the exception to the rule, mainly Shadow Form, but the rest of it should work.

Oh, and Malice, I'm completely serious. The monsters would have this stuff too.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinraith
Speak for yourself, some of us still want the game to be challenging and fun, rather than an exercise in repetitive loot collection.
Hey, dont you want 7 heroes in PVE? Where is the challenge in that?

Lets bring back challenge by removing heroes altogether !!! (/sarcasm)

Michman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

none

N/Mo

Yeah Anet get on the ball. What's up with us not being able to take heros/henchies to some parts of the game? And you need to make hero's able to use all sunspear/kurzick/luxon/pve skills.
While your at it make a new skill called "drop dead" (all enemies on your screen die dropping everything they own).
And you have to do something about those titles. Any title that takes more than a weekend to get is just not worth it.

//sarcasm off

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
In a very odd way you're right. If ANet buffed the shit out of everything, wouldn't that have the same effect?
PVE wasnt fine before the skills got nerfed?

What was imbalanced about the release versions of Paragons in PVE? What what was imbalanced about Pre Nerf necros? How would giving mesmers more damage in PVE be imbalanced? No one would still want them in their party anyway correct?



If you want challenge in PVE, Pug without Ursan. You will have all the challenge you could ever need.

keli

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
yay make it easier! Its not like we don't already have a win button or anything ^_________^
OWAIT [ursan blessing]

these "buffs" are for ppl who despite ursan....

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
How would giving mesmers more damage in PVE be imbalanced?
Energy Surge - 25 damage per point of energy lost.

ESurge would owwwwwnnnnnnnnnn

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by beaverlegions
rly want to solo uw with my mesmer and get like 50 gold drops every run, i'll prolly make a survivor while soloing uw too.
Mesmers can already solo UW. And gold drops arent affected by loot scalling, only common drops are. And you can easilly get Survivor, easier then soloing UW, from punchout with scrolls.

Yea, you really sound like you are new to the game still.

moriz

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if you want to play a korean grinder, and have fun with massive AoEs and one hit KOs, look here:

http://www.swordofthenewworld.com

beaverlegions

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i used a anti mele mesmer hero last night doing darkrime delves hm with guildies, i used a barrage splint build and didn't see a single ursan. You talk about not using skills that are too buffed if i dont want to, ever tried to get into a uw clear grp and telling em you dont want to use ursan by a custom build. Las time i did i was told to f*** most of my family and called a noob. Sure if you buff all skills everything will be balanced but is the game gonna be interesting when you can solo tank a whole area in doa? Might be a good idea, like that ppl that are heavily retarded, will be able to play the game. Gw will a introduction to orpg, like the nintendogs of computer games, totally retarded impossible to loose, only thing to do is dress you lil character with nice dresses and q 9 eternal blade anf give torm weapons to all your heroes. Actually A net should give one mil per month to all the active players so they dont need to farm and can just sit around in outposts and rant about making
money being too difficult.
o and malice, you are allowed to point at trolls, feeding trolls is the bad thing. But how can trolls control themselves when someone asks for a /godmode command in gw.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
if you want to play a korean grinder, and have fun with massive AoEs and one hit KOs, look here:

http://www.guildwars.com/
Fix'd.

1223`4`

beaverlegions

beaverlegions

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Mesmers can already solo UW. And gold drops arent affected by loot scalling, only common drops are. And you can easilly get Survivor, easier then soloing UW, from punchout with scrolls.

Yea, you really sound like you are new to the game still.
Doesnt seem like you got my point i meant clearing uw with a mesmer, if you cna show me a vid of that i agree to be your sexual slave for eternity. And where is teh fun in getting survivor killing trolls when you can do all uw with godmode.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by beaverlegions
/godmode command in gw.
Hello Ursan Blessing.

The rest of your post is poo.

Turtle222

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What a pointless thread. bhavv, instead of trolling the forums here i suggest you do so solely in the AOC forums

Tender Care

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Well....as dervish i can say we got nerfed like the hell.......

[mystic sweep] main dervish attack ever which sins and ranger abused of :angry:

[mystic regeneration] why not on mysticism and back to old effect??? so only dervs will use it!!!!