Why are people still falling for the oldest trick in the book?
CyberMesh0
People believe anything they hear without question. That's why new people fall for it.
pamelf
I got the person telling to drop it because they're numbers weren't working...I mean wtf?? I lollled.
Yichi
The playerbase in this game now wants to fastest, easiest way to get rich. If they think they can get someone to actually drop a rare item so they can take it, they will. And honestly, it is as much the victim's fault as it is the scammer in these cases.
Kattar
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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down
You know how the old saying goes...
"There's a sucker born every minute." |
NuclearDope
Heh, i was selling my Tormented items yesterday and i ran into like 5 of these people...a couple of honourable mentions:
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Scammer: Hey i wanna buy torment sword but i wanna make sure it not duped first.
Me: And how do you expect to do that?
Scammer: Come outside with me and i can check.
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Scammer: Hey i wtb torment sword but i wanna see skin first
Me: Oh you can get pictures of it on guild wiki, would you like a direct link?
Scammer: Silence *maps out*
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Scammer: Hey i wanna buy torment sword but i wanna make sure it not duped first.
Me: And how do you expect to do that?
Scammer: Come outside with me and i can check.
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Scammer: Hey i wtb torment sword but i wanna see skin first
Me: Oh you can get pictures of it on guild wiki, would you like a direct link?
Scammer: Silence *maps out*
Kusandaa
Because most people don't bother checking our possible scams. A lot of people don't bother checking fansites and wikis, especially if they're casual gamers...
Then again some of those are just plain stupid, no way around it.
Then again some of those are just plain stupid, no way around it.
NoXiFy
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Yes, yes they are.
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Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration:
* A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s)
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic)
* Something else?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration:
* A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s)
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic)
* Something else?
Tatile
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
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Removing the Drop feature would be bad a change to me, I often end with just... stuff filling my inventory when I'm farming, vanq'ing or in a dungeon, I need to shift this 'stuff' to get better 'stuff' into my inventory (I travel with a fair amount of stuff as it is, don't really have the storage space for it).
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic) |
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines
Why are people still falling for the oldest trick in the book?
Because they are stupid? |
Tyla
People are retarded.
Things such as this should not be messed with as it's the scammed person's fault in the first place for falling for things like this.
Things such as this should not be messed with as it's the scammed person's fault in the first place for falling for things like this.
Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by Pesi
if everyone had my brain, gw would be rocket science.
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if everyone had your ego, i'd have to go play WoW.
Alexandra-Sweet
Scammers always have a backup, they run through the portal while the item remains on the ground, so the owner of the item would still lose it.
1. Removing the entire "drop system" would eliminate the entire scamming problem.
2. A window popping up giving you 2 options.
O Do you wish to drop this item so any player can pick it up?
O Do you wish to drop this item so only you can pick it up?
If the scammer runs through the portal you should be able to retrieve the item through a handy dandy box popping up.
3. You can't drop any items as long as there is any other player in your party.
You can however drop items if you're all alone, or with heroes/henches.
1. Removing the entire "drop system" would eliminate the entire scamming problem.
2. A window popping up giving you 2 options.
O Do you wish to drop this item so any player can pick it up?
O Do you wish to drop this item so only you can pick it up?
If the scammer runs through the portal you should be able to retrieve the item through a handy dandy box popping up.
3. You can't drop any items as long as there is any other player in your party.
You can however drop items if you're all alone, or with heroes/henches.
ShadowsRequiem
I had one asswipe actually say: "Can I see the skin before I buy it?".... "Just trade it to me and then I can see what it looks like."
I don't think i've ever laughed so hard b4.... needless to say I just told him that I'll report him for scamming. Then he replies "What is scamming." He was so innocence! poor guy.
I don't think i've ever laughed so hard b4.... needless to say I just told him that I'll report him for scamming. Then he replies "What is scamming." He was so innocence! poor guy.
Stolen Souls
People are gullible (I won't say stupid since only 99% of them are) and greedy. End of story.
Someone actually tried to pull it on me a while ago. I was buying a Victo's Bulwark (back when they were semi-expensive). He repeatedly cancelled the trade, saying stuff like "omg wtf is wrong??". He even logged out and back in to try to "fix" it. And then he said it. "I know, we can go outside. You drop the cash, then I'll drop the shield. Problem solved." I added him to ignore and moved on.
Just make it so that items you drop are reserved for you. Simple.
Or this one:
Maybe not quite as simple to implement though?
Someone actually tried to pull it on me a while ago. I was buying a Victo's Bulwark (back when they were semi-expensive). He repeatedly cancelled the trade, saying stuff like "omg wtf is wrong??". He even logged out and back in to try to "fix" it. And then he said it. "I know, we can go outside. You drop the cash, then I'll drop the shield. Problem solved." I added him to ignore and moved on.
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration: * A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out |
Or this one:
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
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garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration: * Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s). |
Airstu
Im all in favour of something like
You cant remover the drop item feature altogether - sharing a rez scroll or salvage kit on a long run would no longer be possible
A lot of the posters here make me shake my head. The number of people who seem to simply write off someone as a "noob" or "idiot" and lol at them as opposed to getting pissed at the scammers. TY once again for perpetuating the elitist attitude the these forums are so well know for.
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra * Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s). |
A lot of the posters here make me shake my head. The number of people who seem to simply write off someone as a "noob" or "idiot" and lol at them as opposed to getting pissed at the scammers. TY once again for perpetuating the elitist attitude the these forums are so well know for.
SerenitySilverstar
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
I blame Arena Net
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Sorry, but yes you ARE responsible for your own stupidity.
Alexandra-Sweet
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Originally Posted by Airstu
You cant remover the drop item feature altogether - sharing a rez scroll or salvage kit on a long run would no longer be possible
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Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
* Something else?
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naughteblonde
I think I'm still fairly 'noobish' as I'm constantly learning new things just from reading these boards. Back in the days when I was a true newbie I must admit going onto GW my first thoughts weren't about who was going to attempt to rip me off, its was more about enjoying and getting to know the game.
Unfortunately so many people just don't know about scams and their knowledge will only come if they lose out, seek help, and find the info here. It could have happened to me if I hadn't come here to find out about a glitch and kept reading. I know that to some folks this will make me an idiot/naieve/deserve to be scammed etc but its true.
Yes, you can't always save people from themselves. There will always be people who ignore the warning signs and uneasy feelings just like there are people who buy links on eBay thinking theyve got a PS3 for $1 because they didn't read the listing. But the scammer is still in the wrong and I'd still try to 'save' the victim. If putting energy into that stops one person being ripped off, its worth it at least for me so Im usually the person commenting on scam in local chat etc ^_^
With that in mind is there any guide to GW scams in one place for newbies to read? If not would anyone mind if I made one?
IMO education is the most powerful weapon against scams.
Unfortunately so many people just don't know about scams and their knowledge will only come if they lose out, seek help, and find the info here. It could have happened to me if I hadn't come here to find out about a glitch and kept reading. I know that to some folks this will make me an idiot/naieve/deserve to be scammed etc but its true.
Yes, you can't always save people from themselves. There will always be people who ignore the warning signs and uneasy feelings just like there are people who buy links on eBay thinking theyve got a PS3 for $1 because they didn't read the listing. But the scammer is still in the wrong and I'd still try to 'save' the victim. If putting energy into that stops one person being ripped off, its worth it at least for me so Im usually the person commenting on scam in local chat etc ^_^
With that in mind is there any guide to GW scams in one place for newbies to read? If not would anyone mind if I made one?
IMO education is the most powerful weapon against scams.
Alexandra-Sweet
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Originally Posted by naughteblonde
With that in mind is there any guide to GW scams in one place for newbies to read? If not would anyone mind if I made one?
IMO education is the most powerful weapon against scams. |
naughteblonde
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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Common_scams Wiki is your friend (not for me since it joined Wikia)
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Is there any on here? A fan made type thingamabob?
CyberMesh0
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Originally Posted by naughteblonde
Thankyou very much ^_^ I've never seen that before.
Is there any on here? A fan made type thingamabob? |
guildwars.wikia.com
wiki.guildwars.com
On topic, all you'd have to do is reassign the drop to person X if person X drops it, or allow the option to unbind it.
naughteblonde
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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0
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SerenitySilverstar
The in game F10 function needs more promotion. I like the fact it's searchable AND links outside the game to the Wiki.
zelgadissan
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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
Scammers always have a backup, they run through the portal while the item remains on the ground, so the owner of the item would still lose it.
2. A window popping up giving you 2 options. O Do you wish to drop this item so any player can pick it up? O Do you wish to drop this item so only you can pick it up? If the scammer runs through the portal you should be able to retrieve the item through a handy dandy box popping up. |
Sparks Dawnbringer
I think everyone falls for some of these tricks once in a while when you are new. There is a bottomless pit of content here and noone learns it in 10 minutes. Then you learn to READ the wiki and search for scams. Most of the main ones are listed there. But I have to admit I had never heard of the drop you stuff one. I did catch someone trying to do a hard mode run that did it once and died then did it the second time but switched to normal. So if your on a run check once it starts that you really are in hard mode. It dosn't hurt for all of us to reminided of some of these once in awhild. Basicly, you are responsible for yourself and need to try and be aware. And remember if it's too good to be true, IT PROBABLY IS.
Mac Sidewinder
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration: * A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s) * Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s). * A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out * Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic) * Something else? |
2. Having to give permission for someone to pick up items really is not needed. If you want to trade with someone - open the trade window!
3. Removal of the drop function would work - players and always throw things in the trash can to get rid of them.
4. I think the best option would be simply to assign the dropped item to the person who dropped it for the normal 10mins that a reg drop times out. You would have to have one of those item boxes come up to retrieve left items (like at the end of missions) in case someone simply wants to grief another player by stepping through a portal after someone has dropped an item.
But really - if anet is going to do this simply to "cure" this type of scam are they going to put in the same amount of resorces to stop other types of scams? I would rather they use those resorces to improve the game play instead. Players simply need to learn not to get scammed and let anet do their job of improving the game.
Marjin
This entire thread was inspired by me, I was the idiotic noob who dropped my everlasting automatonic on the ground
I made sure the other person was well out of my aggro, so she couldnt steal it
However I did not expect, the 'person' (since swearing is prohibited on forum) to run through the portal, forever destroying my 160 ectos, 800k worth item.
Well yes, lets adopt the '"stupid noob, lets point and laugh at him" mood, it's the only way I will learn
I was desperate to get the tonic sold, it was late I was tired etc etc, many reasons, but thier not sufficient to justify such an act
Yeah it is 100% my fault, and Im sure the person who did was pissing themselves laughing, I can assure you I was not, at least not until later when my guild helped me to see the funny side of things
Yes, 160 ectos down the drain in a flash, a weeks worth of work gone in a matter of seconds etc etc
There is one thing that could become of all this
An option, like Alexandra-Sweet suggested, of having the choice of reserving an item when you drop it
And if experienced players find this option an annoyance, they can turn it off form the options menu
Such a simple solution, to such a major problem
I dont know what possesed me to defy such a basic rule of common sense
Well at least the issue has once again been somewhat brought into the spotlight, although I higly doubt Arena Net, will care
Thanks for taking a notice ^^
I made sure the other person was well out of my aggro, so she couldnt steal it
However I did not expect, the 'person' (since swearing is prohibited on forum) to run through the portal, forever destroying my 160 ectos, 800k worth item.
Well yes, lets adopt the '"stupid noob, lets point and laugh at him" mood, it's the only way I will learn
I was desperate to get the tonic sold, it was late I was tired etc etc, many reasons, but thier not sufficient to justify such an act
Yeah it is 100% my fault, and Im sure the person who did was pissing themselves laughing, I can assure you I was not, at least not until later when my guild helped me to see the funny side of things
Yes, 160 ectos down the drain in a flash, a weeks worth of work gone in a matter of seconds etc etc
There is one thing that could become of all this
An option, like Alexandra-Sweet suggested, of having the choice of reserving an item when you drop it
And if experienced players find this option an annoyance, they can turn it off form the options menu
Such a simple solution, to such a major problem
I dont know what possesed me to defy such a basic rule of common sense
Well at least the issue has once again been somewhat brought into the spotlight, although I higly doubt Arena Net, will care
Thanks for taking a notice ^^
Clord
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration: * A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s) * Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s). * A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out * Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic) * Something else? |
Aussie Boy
I'd like to remove the drop system BUT give us an extra 10 slot bag or even 2 
You can still use Trade to swap ID kits and whatnot with your mates just not drop things.
You can still use Trade to swap ID kits and whatnot with your mates just not drop things.
The Meth
Anet would be wise to put a new announcement up:
Don't be stupid!
Don't be stupid!
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe
Why don't you send all that negative energy to the low life scammers? to the abusers that cheat and take advantage of people? They are the ones that deserve name calling.
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by NoXiFy
After reading the high end forum and seeing 1 victim of the old 'drop ur item on the ground i cant see it in trade!' trick... im just wondering... are people seriously THIS retarded? It's not rocket science peeps. I hate it so much that I see people all the time getting scammed from this trick. I looked on Gailes wiki page and someone was qq'ing about them losing some bow. SEriously people... let it be known from here on out that:
1: Don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER drop an item on the ground thats valuable. 2: Just because someones not an Assassin doesn't mean they cant tele to you! The person in the thread said they werent scared cause the person wasnt an /A , news to you peeps, EBON ESCAPE, a pve-only skill that will own your face when the noob steals your item. Please people... stop falling for this trick. -________- |
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by The Meth
Anet would be wise to put a new announcement up:
Don't be stupid! |
SerenitySilverstar
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Originally Posted by Marjin
Im sure the person who did was pissing themselves laughing
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I just don't understand people. To quote: "Who throws a shoe, honestly?"
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
You know what would work Regina? Swift and severe punishment for the scammers. My opinion? It should be perma ban for anyone caught scamming. I'd understand if Anet didn't want to go that far, but it should be something along those lines. Maybe the scammer loses all gold/items, etc or what ever. Punish them and make it hurt and they'll think twice before doing it.
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Lykan
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?
For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration: * A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s) * Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s). * A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out * Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic) * Something else? |
The only cure for this is common sense.
Where will it end??
'do you wish to drop this item?'
'are you sure?'
'i dont know he looks dodgy to me'
'maybe you shouldnt drop it'
'hmm ok its your loss if you do'
'are you really sure??'