Dragons Throughout Guild Wars
Neo Atomisk
where? i havent seen one.
Konig Des Todes
They are not targetable. A raven for instance can be found at Hollow's Point.
Don't recall many specific locations, but I do recall seeing them throughout.
Don't recall many specific locations, but I do recall seeing them throughout.
Neo Atomisk
really? my bad. i keep on thinking of the CD as itaelf in the manuscripts... completely inhabitable.
Free Runner
That piece of concept art could indeed be of Grothmar. The part just before his tail actually has the same spikes. And it has wings. I'm not going to argue as to if thats Augury Rock or not. I'll admit when i first saw the piece i instantly thought of a destroyed Augury Rock (since that would be the perfect place for such a dragon to reside considering its importance in GW1). The whole area looks like its been corrupted.
But that piece of concept art is yet to be confirmed as to if tis GW2 or just other work by the artist (although it was found with a bunch of GW2 pieces). Oh and why would a flock of birds mean it is not in the crystal desert?
From the looks of that picture it seems the dragon is creating lightning from its mouth. Possibly why it was given the name Storm Lord.
But that piece of concept art is yet to be confirmed as to if tis GW2 or just other work by the artist (although it was found with a bunch of GW2 pieces). Oh and why would a flock of birds mean it is not in the crystal desert?
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draxynnic
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From the looks of that picture it seems the dragon is creating lightning from its mouth. Possibly why it was given the name Storm Lord.
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So it's possible that this storm dragon was initially looking for the storm-tossed Crystal Sea and found the Crystal Desert instead - but then discovered that there was still sufficiently lightning in the area to make it happy.
Mordakai
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Edit: To bring this topic back to the Dragons as a whole. One of the many "suspected GW2 concept arts" found is titled "Storm Lord" and shows a Dragon in it. To me, it looks like it is over Augury Rock in the Mesa. Perhaps concept art for the Desert Dragon?
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http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/0...art/#more-4154
He has an interesting view on the possibly Asuran construction yard.
Anyway, back to possible "Augury Rock" Dragon... doesn't Palawa Joko dam the river, and turn the Crystal Desert green again? Pretty sure I read that.
If that's the case, this becomes much more likely. The big ornament thingy in the center could have been added by Joko or the Dragon, or some other event in the last 250 years.
Gmr Leon
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Anyway, back to possible "Augury Rock" Dragon... doesn't Palawa Joko dam the river, and turn the Crystal Desert green again? Pretty sure I read that.
If that's the case, this becomes much more likely. The big ornament thingy in the center could have been added by Joko or the Dragon, or some other event in the last 250 years. |
Also, am I the only one who sees the mountains in the background?
Mordakai
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We do not, however, know to what extent Palawa Joko enlivened the Crystal Desert. It could just be a small region in the Thirsty River, or a large region expanding from there to the Arid Sea to the Dunes of Despair. We simply do not know, and it wouldn't be proper of us to assume he went as far north as Augury Rock. Not to mention, as Konig already pointed out, the area around it is already rather fertile due to the water there.
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There is the Dragon's wing (dark, looks like mountains)
Then rain, clouds (also could look like mountains)
Then some rock pillars that are not out of place in the Crystal Desert.
I've been trying to find a pic of Augury rock for comparison, can anyone post?
Keep in mind, I'm not convinced either way, I just wanted to point out it could be Augury Rock... it could also be the Iron Citadel, or it could be a whole other area and dragon!
Konig Des Todes
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He has an interesting view on the possibly Asuran construction yard.
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I've been trying to find a pic of Augury rock for comparison, can anyone post?
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Two best pics I have of shape and post-opening. Though we don't really see the opening after the mission, sadly, so it may look different. And of course, idea of what it would look like in GW2 concept may be different than what is in game.
Gmr Leon
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Keep in mind, I'm not convinced either way, I just wanted to point out it could be Augury Rock... it could also be the Iron Citadel, or it could be a whole other area and dragon!
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In the second screenshot, Konig, the bush should be to the right, if you want it matching the concept art.
On a more serious note, doesn't the structure that the dragon is on seem a bit taller, and more narrow, than Augury Rock? I'll take another glance, but it seems to me that that is the case. Edit: Nevermind that, I obviously haven't looked at it enough to know its appearance yet.
Free Runner
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Also, am I the only one who sees the mountains in the background?
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This could be the same for the possible Augury Rock scene. Though when looking at the pattern in the rock it actually looks alot like something you would find in the Tarnished Coast rather than the Crystal Desert.
Elementer Masta
Are there any "Reports" of one of the Ancient Dragons being in the Desolation? The next question is, in GW2, will the Desolation exist in its current form: with sulfurous fumes? If so, could those yellow areas be the deposits of sulfur we see now? They even have the yellow fumes rising up in front of the structure.
Gmr Leon
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Are there any "Reports" of one of the Ancient Dragons being in the Desolation? The next question is, in GW2, will the Desolation exist in its current form: with sulfurous fumes? If so, could those yellow areas be the deposits of sulfur we see now? They even have the yellow fumes rising up in front of the structure.
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Neo Atomisk
... wouldn't there be a giant lake/river with a deadly amount of sulfur?
And sorry i missed the memo, but what is the iron citadel?
EDIT: ok, iron legion balalalalalala.i guess that the shiverpeaks could fit that scenario.
And sorry i missed the memo, but what is the iron citadel?
EDIT: ok, iron legion balalalalalala.i guess that the shiverpeaks could fit that scenario.
Konig Des Todes
It is believed from discussion by chemists on GWO's forum that the sulfur is deadly due to lack of water. Add in water, it is no longer deadly.
Neo Atomisk
I still would never drink that water... too much undead and wurms lying in it.
My insticts tell me that this couldn't be augury rock due to the lack of anything resrmembling skyward reach. however, it does fit the description of a crystal desert dragon.
My insticts tell me that this couldn't be augury rock due to the lack of anything resrmembling skyward reach. however, it does fit the description of a crystal desert dragon.
Neo Atomisk
I just did some scouting around Augury Rock...
I don't think there's anyway that could be augury rock (if we are holding the artists to be accurate in the surroundings), as you can't see any of the cliffs or rocks around Augury Rock in skyward reach.
EDIT: Another thing I just noticed, the sky.
If you look west, towards orr, it lightens up,
if you look SE, towards the desolation, the clouds turn green. intresting.
I don't think there's anyway that could be augury rock (if we are holding the artists to be accurate in the surroundings), as you can't see any of the cliffs or rocks around Augury Rock in skyward reach.
EDIT: Another thing I just noticed, the sky.
If you look west, towards orr, it lightens up,
if you look SE, towards the desolation, the clouds turn green. intresting.
draxynnic
Over two hundred and fifty years or so, though, it'll probably run clean.
The impression I've always had is that Joko's domain - the region formerly known as the Desolation - is the area that's become fertile again. After all, that's technically part of the Crystal Desert as well. At the time of GW2, the Desolation is fertile, but the 'Ascension zone' is still a desert to be inhabited by the Desert Dragon.
That said, it may not be quite so harsh a desert due to having a river flowing nearby.
The impression I've always had is that Joko's domain - the region formerly known as the Desolation - is the area that's become fertile again. After all, that's technically part of the Crystal Desert as well. At the time of GW2, the Desolation is fertile, but the 'Ascension zone' is still a desert to be inhabited by the Desert Dragon.
That said, it may not be quite so harsh a desert due to having a river flowing nearby.
Free Runner
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I just did some scouting around Augury Rock...
I don't think there's anyway that could be augury rock (if we are holding the artists to be accurate in the surroundings), as you can't see any of the cliffs or rocks around Augury Rock in skyward reach. EDIT: Another thing I just noticed, the sky. If you look west, towards orr, it lightens up, if you look SE, towards the desolation, the clouds turn green. intresting. |
It could or could not be Augury Rock - it cant be proved ether way unless the artist actually tells us which will never happen until GW2 info becomes more open. And even moreso it still isnt confirmed to being GW2 artwork. The artist that did it seems to do other commisions with very similar things to Guild Wars in it.
Konig Des Todes
I have merged Neo Atomisk's thread on the location of the Ancient Dragons and their movements after waking with Free Runner's older thread on the Ancient Dragons. I also have moved two pages worth of posts on Charr Structures into it's own thread.
Please continue discussion of the Ancient Dragons here. I will also close the previous definitive thread as that has gotten too large and chaotic with so many threads merged into it that had posts around the same time (thus no order in responses).
Please continue discussion of the Ancient Dragons here. I will also close the previous definitive thread as that has gotten too large and chaotic with so many threads merged into it that had posts around the same time (thus no order in responses).
Mordakai
Inspired by Eliz Genevieve, I am becoming convinced that the "desert dragon" is NOT from Grothmar as suspected, but rather is the Orrian Dragon we call Malchor.
First, the notable quotes (copied from Eliz's thread):
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by The Movement Of The World about Malchor:
(..) the dragon's undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border(..)
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by The Movement Of The World
(..) and even maintain a presene in Elona, although crossing the Crystal Desert due to Palawa's stranglehold over the southern reaches and the desert dragon's presence in the northern desert.
At first, it sounds like there are two dragons in the Crystal Desert / Northern Elona.
But take away all your preconceptions, and just read the similarities of these sentences: they could be both describing the same army!
"Desert dragon's presence" could mean not Malchor himself, but rather his presence in the form of his undead army.
Here's Eliz's thread link, but I wanted to post this here to try and keep this the "main" dragon thread.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10390490
(it should be noted that my opinion seems to differ from most
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First, the notable quotes (copied from Eliz's thread):
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by The Movement Of The World about Malchor:
(..) the dragon's undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border(..)
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by The Movement Of The World
(..) and even maintain a presene in Elona, although crossing the Crystal Desert due to Palawa's stranglehold over the southern reaches and the desert dragon's presence in the northern desert.
At first, it sounds like there are two dragons in the Crystal Desert / Northern Elona.
But take away all your preconceptions, and just read the similarities of these sentences: they could be both describing the same army!
"Desert dragon's presence" could mean not Malchor himself, but rather his presence in the form of his undead army.
Here's Eliz's thread link, but I wanted to post this here to try and keep this the "main" dragon thread.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10390490
(it should be noted that my opinion seems to differ from most
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draxynnic
I'd just posted in the thread in question, but to summarise the relevant part...
Another consideration that might be relevant here is... what is the state of Orr after being ravaged by cataclysm, sunk, and re-arisen? Could Orr be a desert in GW2, making the terms "desert dragon" and "orrian dragon" synonymous?
Another consideration that might be relevant here is... what is the state of Orr after being ravaged by cataclysm, sunk, and re-arisen? Could Orr be a desert in GW2, making the terms "desert dragon" and "orrian dragon" synonymous?
Mordakai
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I'd just posted in the thread in question, but to summarise the relevant part...
Another consideration that might be relevant here is... what is the state of Orr after being ravaged by cataclysm, sunk, and re-arisen? Could Orr be a desert in GW2, making the terms "desert dragon" and "orrian dragon" synonymous? |
"The city of Arah, where once the True Gods walked, rose to the surface to become the creature's home. Its arrival heralded a time of cataclysm and change for the world. Though Arah lies in ruins, conquered by the dragon and its minions, those who venture onto Orrian soil say they have seen her spired towers, bedecked with rotted banners and guarded by twisted, draconian troops. "
Free Runner
I'm in two minds about the desert dragon. For one thing i'm sticking with my earlier thought, that if the desert dragon is a seperate dragon why isnt it mentioned like the others? every one, including the Deep Sea Dragon who only gets one mention throughout the entire thing, is described as emerging from somewere or appearing somewere. However it never mentions a dragon rising in the desert.
But if it was an existing dragon wouldnt it say "a dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it say "the desert dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it sound like a dragon that is or should i say was once, native to the desert?.
It seems rather weird to give the Undead Dragon the name desert dragon. It already has "orrian dragon", "elder dragon" and "undead Dragon" so why would they suddenly name it desert dragon aswell?
But if it was an existing dragon wouldnt it say "a dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it say "the desert dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it sound like a dragon that is or should i say was once, native to the desert?.
It seems rather weird to give the Undead Dragon the name desert dragon. It already has "orrian dragon", "elder dragon" and "undead Dragon" so why would they suddenly name it desert dragon aswell?
Mordakai
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I'm in two minds about the desert dragon. For one thing i'm sticking with my earlier thought, that if the desert dragon is a seperate dragon why isnt it mentioned like the others? every one, including the Deep Sea Dragon who only gets one mention throughout the entire thing, is described as emerging from somewere or appearing somewere. However it never mentions a dragon rising in the desert.
But if it was an existing dragon wouldnt it say "a dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it say "the desert dragons presence in the northen desert"? why does it sound like a dragon that is or should i say was once, native to the desert?. It seems rather weird to give the Undead Dragon the name desert dragon. It already has "orrian dragon", "elder dragon" and "undead Dragon" so why would they suddenly name it desert dragon aswell? |
As you say, I doubt the "desert dragon" is new, or else it should have been listed with the others.
So, if we assume it's one of the four:
It can't be Primordus, Primordus is underground, and is mentioned by name.
It probably isn't the deep sea dragon, as that would seem contradictory.
That leaves Malchor and Grothmar.
1. We know Malchor has a presence in Northern Elona (Northern Desert?) already.
2. If both Grothmar and Malchor have a presence in Elona, why is it not mentioned? From MotW (under Order of Whispers subsection): "...crossing the Crystal desert is currently impossible due to Palawa's stranglehood over the southern reaches and the desert dragons presence in the northen desert." If there were two dragons with influence, wouldn't that be mentioned?
On the other hand:
We know Grothmar flies south over the Charr territory of Ascalon. Does he stop in the mountains? As Eliz Genevieve mentions in her other thread, why doesn't Grothmar just stay in the northern mountains or Charr territory where there would be less conflict?
It's also interesting to note that the other dragons appear to stay near to where they arose: Malchor's seat of power is Orr; the dragon of ice and snow is staying north, driving the Norn south (assuming this is the Drakkar); and the deep sea dragon is (by lack of other info) still underwater.
So, is Grothmar the desert dragon or is Malchor?
EDIT: Just realized I left out the dragon of ice and snow. Did we close one mystery, just to open another?
Free Runner
Primordus, the Dragon of Ice and Snow and the Deep Sea Dragon are all without a doubt in their own areas, like you said. So it does come down to it ether being the Grothmar Dragon or the Undead Dragon. I find it strange how it never seems to mention what became of the Grothmar dragon, instead only saying it flew over Ascalon and caused a corruption.
The Grothmar dragon is....in a way the only free dragon. If we look at it, Primordus seems at home in the Depths, the Dragon of Ice and Snow is obviously a Shiverpeak dweller, the Deep Sea Dragon is well i can only assume restricted (assuming it is a dragon meant for the sea and not one that just went to sleep there). The Undead Dragon appears to be up to something in Arah (same thing can be said for Primordus in the depths and the Dragon of Ice and Snow in the Far Shiverpeaks).
So perhaps the reason the dragon flew away was due to it not being bound to that area. Or perhaps it just has plans aswell, plans that did not involve the Charr Homelands.
EDIT: I've just been looking at the Movement of the World again and i noticed something. The Undead Dragon cannot be the desert dragon. The Charr are fighting against the forces of Primordus and the Desert Dragon in Ascalon.
Why would the undead dragons forces be that far from Orr? and since Grothmar flew over Ascalon where would he of disappeared to? the Charr are fighting only Primordus and this desert dragon forces....hard to believe he just vanished. So with that i believe more than ever that the desert dragon is Grothmar.
The Grothmar dragon is....in a way the only free dragon. If we look at it, Primordus seems at home in the Depths, the Dragon of Ice and Snow is obviously a Shiverpeak dweller, the Deep Sea Dragon is well i can only assume restricted (assuming it is a dragon meant for the sea and not one that just went to sleep there). The Undead Dragon appears to be up to something in Arah (same thing can be said for Primordus in the depths and the Dragon of Ice and Snow in the Far Shiverpeaks).
So perhaps the reason the dragon flew away was due to it not being bound to that area. Or perhaps it just has plans aswell, plans that did not involve the Charr Homelands.
EDIT: I've just been looking at the Movement of the World again and i noticed something. The Undead Dragon cannot be the desert dragon. The Charr are fighting against the forces of Primordus and the Desert Dragon in Ascalon.
Why would the undead dragons forces be that far from Orr? and since Grothmar flew over Ascalon where would he of disappeared to? the Charr are fighting only Primordus and this desert dragon forces....hard to believe he just vanished. So with that i believe more than ever that the desert dragon is Grothmar.
Konig Des Todes
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From MotW (under Order of Whispers subsection): "...crossing the Crystal desert is currently impossible due to Palawa's stranglehood over the southern reaches and the desert dragons presence in the northen desert." If there were two dragons with influence, wouldn't that be mentioned?
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I've just been looking at the Movement of the World again and i noticed something. The Undead Dragon cannot be the desert dragon. The Charr are fighting against the forces of Primordus and the Desert Dragon in Ascalon.
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Edit: Found it:
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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World;Charr
The four primary legions of the Charr, the Ash Legion, Blood Legion, Gold Legion, and Iron Legion, each control city-strongholds, spread out across the eastern lands. Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks.
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Free Runner
I knew i had read it somewere that the Charr were fighting twisted creatures, so i looked through Ecology and then back at the Movement of the World and saw this.
While it doesnt say Primordus i'm assuming that the horrifying beasts mentioned are his "new destroyers" due to them not only coming from the ground, but also appearing in the Shiverpeaks. That and also due to his "sleeping area" being very near Ascalon.
EDIT: Ah you found it. I dont know why i cant remember reading that part ether, i thought "desert dragon" was only mentioned once throughout the entire thing. Its probably because i read Ecology rather than the Charr part thinking they held the same info.
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Originally Posted by Movement of the World
Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks.
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EDIT: Ah you found it. I dont know why i cant remember reading that part ether, i thought "desert dragon" was only mentioned once throughout the entire thing. Its probably because i read Ecology rather than the Charr part thinking they held the same info.
Gmr Leon
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
This would also disprove Leon's little statement on how Grothmar has no servants.
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Mordakai
"Originally Posted by Movement of the World
Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks."
Man, how did I miss that???
Well, you guys are right, that settles it: Grothmar is the desert dragon, and Konig's maps of influence is more or less on the right track.
Not sure what you're looking for, "the twisted servants of the desert dragon" is not clear enough?
Now, it's not absolute proof that "any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed" are automatically Grothmar's servants, but surely it's circumstantial evidence that the breath "twisted" creatures and they become "twisted servants".
So, will we be fighting "twisted" Grawl in GW2?
Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks."
Man, how did I miss that???
Well, you guys are right, that settles it: Grothmar is the desert dragon, and Konig's maps of influence is more or less on the right track.
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Still not going to buy that their its servants until we see them being controlled by one of its stronger creatures, or controlled by itself.
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Now, it's not absolute proof that "any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed" are automatically Grothmar's servants, but surely it's circumstantial evidence that the breath "twisted" creatures and they become "twisted servants".
So, will we be fighting "twisted" Grawl in GW2?
Free Runner
I wonder if its intentional though. Primordus, the Dragon of Ice and Snow and the Undead Dragon are all intentionally creating minions. But the Grothmar dragon could be creating them unintentionally. We dont know if they are being commanded to attack the Charr or if they are running riot in Ascalon attacking anything that comes near them.
Konig Des Todes
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Still not going to buy that their its servants until we see them being controlled by one of its stronger creatures, or controlled by itself.
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I wonder if its intentional though. Primordus, the Dragon of Ice and Snow and the Undead Dragon are all intentionally creating minions. But the Grothmar dragon could be creating them unintentionally. We dont know if they are being commanded to attack the Charr or if they are running riot in Ascalon attacking anything that comes near them.
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- Those created unintentional via "Grothmar's" flight.
- Those created intentional after landing.
Free Runner
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Wouldn't Svannir also be considered unintentional?
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What i meant by unintentional is, twisting creatures with no purpose in mind. Like how the Undead Dragon obviously had a purpose for his victims, the Grothmar dragon could of twisted them while passing by and then simply left them.
Though for all we know, when twisted the creatures could immediatly follow the orders of the dragon that did it. Like perhaps losing their sanity and being forced to follow the orders of their master.
Mordakai
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Though for all we know, when twisted the creatures could immediatly follow the orders of the dragon that did it. Like perhaps losing their sanity and being forced to follow the orders of their master.
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It's probable they all have the ability to create servants. It would certainly work as a game mechanic: fight through hordes of creatures, then face the dragon itself (if we actually get to fight the dragon).
Hmmm, now we can swim, I wonder if we'll be battling the deep sea dragon underwater?
Gmr Leon
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By that, then we can say that none of the Ancient Dragons have servants or minions as we don't see it. Joking aside, the Movement explicitaly states "servants of the desert dragon" - thus they are servants of the desert dragon. As Mordakai said, this doesn't mean all of the things twisted under Grothmar's flight will be its servants, but some of its servants will be in Ascalon (at least - most likely in Northern Crystal Desert as well).
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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World, Orr.
Risen from the ocean by the will of a powerful undead dragon, Orr no longer stands under human control. The beings roaming those lands are twisted, perverted remnants of Orr's once-magnificent culture. Drowned by magic and then raised into service by the will of a monster so terrible there are only whispers of its nature, they now serve a dragon more horrible and more powerful than any other being in Tyria.
The elder dragon of Orr rules this re-emerged continent with an indomitable will, claiming the peninsula for its own. The city of Arah, where once the True Gods walked, rose to the surface to become the creature's home. Its arrival heralded a time of cataclysm and change for the world. Though Arah lies in ruins, conquered by the dragon and its minions, those who venture onto Orrian soil say they have seen her spired towers, bedecked with rotted banners and guarded by twisted, draconian troops. Many of the corsairs who inhabited the island chain before the peninsula rose again were subsumed by the dragon's power, twisted by its breath, and enslaved to its will. Ships with black sails, built from seized corsair vessels, sail along the Strait of Malchor, west of Orr. These vessels surround the Fire Islands, manned by undead minions of the dragon that fear neither fire nor sea. This undead armada has cut off all human contact with Cantha, and the dragon’s undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands...for now. |
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Gunnar's Hold fell to monsters of ice, and the Norn were driven southward into the empty territory that had once been held by the Dwarves.
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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World, Norn.
An elder dragon of ice and snow arose in the farthest northern peaks, driving even the most stalwart hunters south into Dwarven lands.
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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World, Dragons.
Only a few years ago, yet another dragon erupted from the northern mountains and flew south over the Charr territory of Ascalon. The land directly below the path of the dragon’s flight was corrupted, becoming a crater of horror. The ground blackened from the dragon's presence and any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed.
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They work with the Krytans and Ascalonians, and even maintain a presence in Elona, although crossing the Crystal Desert is currently impossible due to Palawa's stranglehold over the southern reaches and the desert dragon's presence in the northern desert.
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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World, Charr.
Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks.
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Some have asked, and I'm sure we both have asked ourselves and one another this, why did Grothmar leave its location of awakening? While we may never have an absolute, definitive explanation, perhaps it's aware of its effects on the world, and rather than just making the entire region a corrupted wasteland, it went to a place that's already a wasteland. The Crystal Desert. Very little life to be twisted and changed. The ground is already infertile, so its corruption won't exactly have much of an effect.
I mean, really, the entire area is utterly lacking in strategic value for Grothmar, so perhaps this is a viable explanation?
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Wouldn't Svannir also be considered unintentional? I would say there are two "servants of the desert dragon:"
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Also, I've already argued the Grothmar point above, so I won't repeat myself here.
Mordakai
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It says any creatures caught within the wind of its breath are twisted and changed, this could easily be taken to mean that it was completely unintentional on Grothmar's part. It's like an airborne disease, you can't help that you're passing it along to others when you breathe, cough, or sneeze. At best, you can only cover your mouth to try and save others the miserable feelings of your illness. Even the land beneath it and in its presence is corrupted, becoming blackened. I mean, really, Grothmar just sounds like a miserable dragon that can't help its effects on the world, if you ask me.
Some have asked, and I'm sure we both have asked ourselves and one another this, why did Grothmar leave its location of awakening? While we may never have an absolute, definitive explanation, perhaps it's aware of its effects on the world, and rather than just making the entire region a corrupted wasteland, it went to a place that's already a wasteland. The Crystal Desert. Very little life to be twisted and changed. The ground is already infertile, so its corruption won't exactly have much of an effect. |
(Except that he's blocking passage through the Northern Crystal Desert).
Perhaps there's some power in the Crystal Desert that's attracting the Dragons? Both Malchor and Grothmar go or send servants there.
And of course Glint (lesser dragon) and the Forgotten are based in the Crystal Desert.
But it does seem that all Dragons naturally corrupt and change their surrounding: even the Deep Sea Dragon "breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river in the land." Yikes.
On a side note, "twisted" seems to be the word of choice when describing the effects of Dragon breath.
Free Runner, do you feel comfortable enough about the Grothmar dragon being the desert dragon that you should edit the original post to reflect that?
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Free Runner, do you feel comfortable enough about the Grothmar dragon being the desert dragon that you should edit the original post to reflect that?
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Actually, by my logic, we can say Primordus does, as we've seen them, and know that they are in fact commanded by it. However, by the details provided about Malchor, that show its intervention and commanding of minions, we can likewise say that it does have minions. As it is displayed very clearly:
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I mean, really, the entire area is utterly lacking in strategic value for Grothmar, so perhaps this is a viable explanation?
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Also, I've already argued the Grothmar point above, so I won't repeat myself here.
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Perhaps there's some power in the Crystal Desert that's attracting the Dragons? Both Malchor and Grothmar go or send servants there.
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On a side note, "twisted" seems to be the word of choice when describing the effects of Dragon breath.
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I've edited my main post with a section explaining how the desert dragon is most likely Grothmar. I'll remove the Desert Dragon section when Anet finally confirm it to be the same dragon. Better safe than sorry.
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I was wondering, how big are these dragongs any way,
Grothmar is obviosly pretty huge, but Primordus does not see that big in comparrison.
Also what caused the Dragons to awaken, was it the Ausrans who built too close to Primordus, semi-waking him and causing some sort of chain-reaction with the other dragons or are thier awakening completely independant from eachother.
Grothmar is obviosly pretty huge, but Primordus does not see that big in comparrison.
Also what caused the Dragons to awaken, was it the Ausrans who built too close to Primordus, semi-waking him and causing some sort of chain-reaction with the other dragons or are thier awakening completely independant from eachother.
Free Runner
They seem to have a set time for waking up. Or at least Primordus did. One of the things that interests me is the whole Primordus waking up first thing. Primordus actually had plans from the looks of things to wake up early. But when that goes wrong he wakes up a hundred or so years later, apparantly without the need of the Great Destroyer. And then the dragons start waking up one by one with Grothmar being the last (or at least the movement of the world implies that)
So the thing i'm wondering (and i asked this before) do the dragons have a connection with Primordus waking up? did he wake them up or were they all supposed to wake up around the same time, one by one? and if thats the case, why did Primordus feel the need to set out a way to wake up long before the others?
This comes down to the "Are they hostile to one another" thing. Was Primordus trying to get a headstart at making his army before the others did?
So the thing i'm wondering (and i asked this before) do the dragons have a connection with Primordus waking up? did he wake them up or were they all supposed to wake up around the same time, one by one? and if thats the case, why did Primordus feel the need to set out a way to wake up long before the others?
This comes down to the "Are they hostile to one another" thing. Was Primordus trying to get a headstart at making his army before the others did?