Buff on the Mindblade Spectres in the UW

that was a joke right???

noone do it with a normal team

Too bad. You can't insulate your idea from criticism by asking that we don't criticize it. There's no validity to this chicken-little idea that the entire economy is going to collapse because more people can farm a run that averages ~5 ectos instead of one that averages ~2. At the very worst, it's going to drive down ecto prices, but so what? You just mark up your 100k+10e item to 100k+30e and go on as normal. Moreover, I don't think ectos are really going to fall either, or, if they do fall, it will be because of a crisis of confidence fed by panicky threads like this rather than actual economic forces. After 3 years of farming and hoarding, the supply is already so big that the extra ectos coming in from this farm change its overall size very, very little.

/not signed

yes [Signet of Disenchantment] would be the best option doesnt make UW much harder

500k? Ummmm......Ectos have always been 4.7k - 5k and will always be 4.7k - 5k. Since the SF buff, I haven't noticed the slightest change in ecto prices.

500k? Yea more like 100g.

no, the challenge of getting is gone, you just have to farm the ectos and done
i got my fow with the VwK smite run, no super megadrops and i was happy with just one ecto
now people are all complaining about not having 5 ectos in one run
it crazes the people onto greed and this is a teamgame but now people are all like "NO MY ECTO!"
it's just pure paranoia and some people would agree if i said we have to put the "Elite" back in the Underworld

Shit, and no "nerf VwK farm build" threads yet, crazy world, eh?

Truth be told, ecto prices are falling fairly fast in the past few days. It is not uncommon at all to see wts 22 for 100k, and I have even seen a few wts 23 for 100k. Prices will continue to fall until favour runs out, at which point they will return to their current state.

maybe you and your guild are 1234 button mashers, but mine isn't. sure i've done ursan before, but it's mor fun and challenging not to.

i do it with a normal quite often i prefer normal team rather then farming it. i get more enjoyment out of it

I'll show some restraint I guess, and not flame the hell out of you.

For starters, I made a sin when the farm came out, and farmed a good few ecto, sold them, maxed my storage with ecto to spare, and all that good stuff.

I havent' done a run in like a week. Its boring after a while, and the drops are rather random....and I don't really need the cash that bad to start with.

That said, do you realize what your post sounds like? Something like this.

Hi there, I've made all the money i want from this farm, now lets nerf it so the newbs can't have it so easy. So lets puts some skills in to make it unfarmable by that build.

You only further that appearance by stating that "people would lose the value of the fow they'd worked for". Guess what, so many items in the game have had that done to them. Colossal scimitars, ele swords, dwarven axes, the list goes on. This isn't rocket science. And furthermore, any value to be had in the game is completely independent of how much it costs in gw gold. If you feel an accomplishment in getting fow armor, its because you spent the time and effort to gain the armor. NOT because it cost 100k or 50 million. There was once a time where I could not fathom having enough money to max storage.

Now I've that, and weapons/armor to spare. It wasn't terribly easy to start off, but if its something you really want, you'll put the time in to get it. How much its worth to joe down the street is irrelevant.

People need to stop these posts. Anet is aware of what is happening, arguably they knew about it when they buffed shadow form. The OP's in these threads appear as idiots who either are jealous, or have lots of money to lose if ecto prices go down.

Leave the dead horse alone, you guys ran this into the ground a couple days after the skill change.

Bingo......... SF won't destroy the economy, the fact that we have easy access to UW is lowering the prices, and over flooding the market with Ectos, once Favor runs out it will be a different story.


PS:Just like to add SF farmers don't farm ectos to hold on to them they farm it to spend it, this is game money i don't hold on to my money to say look at me i am rich? i just bought my first set of Tormented weapons because of this farm, and will attempt to get 2 more tormented weapons.

How would Signet of Disenchantment do anything just drains the dream rider of energy and u just use shadow refuge(or quick recharged enchant) every so ever.
personally i use A/Me and i could just keep Ignorance up on the dream rider...

QQ-ing about Ecto-farming is the thing to do these days.

When they decide to nerf Chaos Plane farming then they should nerf ALL farming spots with it. The GW economy will be healthy again, according to the pro's here.

After this anti solo-farming update you'll see no more people in many outposts. All those farmers might quit and all you'll find are some new players who haven't got a clue what they can do in ToA and some LeeT-farmers with a bear-skill on their bars.

I'm assuming you've never taken a high-school level Economy class.

Ecto is about the same price at the merchant as it was a week for the buff. I see no problem here. Since it takes 75 ecto for chaos gloves and 105 for FoW armor, there won't be many more ectos floating around than usual as they're usually consumed for these purposes. I don't see their price being hit very much at all.

There's no way you've been playing longer than a year.

I remember back when ecto was around 7k ea not long before EoTN, and FOW armor still meant nothing, because if you saw it, there was a 70% chance it was eBay'd, and the fact still remains today.

This idea wouldn't improve the value of ectos that much, but its a small step to start us off. Although, I can't see any plausible way to just end solo/dual farming altogether, which may bring the economy back into balance eventually. Although it could all be a lost cause.

/notsigned

Every time something happens that people actually like posters scream for the nerf bat.

Seeing as the OP is running Perma Sin now and has loaded up his stack of Ecto he wants it nerfed so said stack will become more valuable. The Ecto Market crashed along time ago and will never be what it was. Ecto Prices still seem to be steady even after the buff to PvE Shadow Form. Not like when Hard Mode was introduced and Ecto took a nose dive from 11K to its current value.

Farming Ecto has always been in the game and it always will. No need to nerf.

26 months, lol, maybe its because i didnt start farming ectos until like 6 months in.

lol, people seem to hold this illusion that saying "i use it too" makes their post somehow more legitimate than all the other QQ threads out there.

like, WOAH you farm with perma sf AND still want the farm to be nerfed?
for the good of the economy?
how very altruistic!!11!!

not.

I've got an assassin called "Ss Heretic" wich is about 1.5 years with the title "I Am Very Important". It's the only character I'm really playing in GW.

Problem:

1. people don't want the economy to be ruined by "perma sin farming all ecto's out of UW".
2. people who don't have factions are jealous.
3. Non Perma Sin farmers are jealous.
4. Averyone checking out this threat is: 1. hoping that SF will be nerfed. or 2. hoping that SF will not be nerfed. or 3. hoping that these discussions will end soon.

Some Facts

1. People have and will always be farming in UW especially for ecto's. The economy is based on what we do, sell, buy. And what's popular. People will always find a "better" and "faster" ways to farm. But now that most people have got an assassin in ToA, they will also try to find a new way to farm Ecto's in UW if SF is nerfed. (I have no idea what devs are going to do so let's just say SF is nerfed now All the assassins will use A/Me to farm thesame ecto's. And If SF is nerfed too much: the skill will be totally useless, and thats not what the devs want.
2. People who don't have factions. They will have to buy factions or stop moaning or continue moaning. Nothing will make a difference.
3. People without a SF sin: thesame thing, but they may be able to make one themselves. Not making any difference aswell.
4. Everyone checking this threat: people are hoping that SF will get nerfed, well that wont stop the Ecto farmers. Now that all "beginner ecto farmers" have tasted the money they will try to find other ways to farm.
Players hoping that SF will not get nerfed. I totally agree. Assassins were never really able to farm anything but... greens. Assassins are now in balance with other proffessions. Just like the assassin the mesmer might be able to farm with SF now aswell. I don't think that should be a problem in PvE at all. And for people who are here to end this discussion?...

I think N1ghtstalker has a really good solution here.

Give the mindblades some good anti SF skill. -> Assassins wont farm chaos plaines -> SF wont get nerfed. -> Everybody = happy.

Or at least we should be. I think gw is nice just the way it is now. But N1ghtstalker's got a point. And at least these discussions will end.

EDIT: I'm Dutch so my English micht bee hart too reed.

Assuming that the Chaos Planes run would need nerf bat (which is a not entirely unfounded assumption since it is currently providing an income rate way beyond the 10k/hour limit that the game tries to enforce through Loot Scaling), then the minimal nerf that would access just the particular problem without severe side effects would be to add 1 or 2 mobs of patrolling Charged Blacknesses to Twin Serpent Mountains so that it wouldn't be possible to run through without getting in close contact with those nasties. Normal teams wouldn't even notice the difference but for any solo character they would pose a formidable obstacle. Get shocked while trying to renew SF = gg.

It is possible to solo 2 or 3 Charged Blacknesses but in order to do so you must be either (a) skilled and/or (b) lucky, or (c) gimping your build just for them. In every case the profitability of Chaos Planes farming would be affected.

If you've truly been playing that long, you'll remember ectos at 15k+

smites have a lower droprate then the mindblades
a chaos planes farm takes as long as a VwK run but on the chaos planes you earn about 5 ectos per run
in the old VwK run you get 1 ecto per run if you get lucky

I think you're missing the point and that does not surprise me.
VwK farms ectos. Perma SF farms ectos. So you want to nerf it because it's better at farming ectos than other builds.

VwK doesn't ruin the economy even more
permasin does

QFT ^^


Here's my stand on SF:

Yesterday did 1 run with 0 ectos and I killed ALL mindblades...and now tell me WHAT is ANet supposed to NERF if the drop rate is already low?

People think that each run a crapload of ectos drop, I do it barely once a day and I can tell you the droprates suck already.

Stop being big babies about SF as it's not the only farming build. This is just another thread for an SF nerf.

I'm having Dejavu's already, this is gonna be like the nerf ursan this nerf ursan there thread.

I'll say what I said in the other threads, If you think SF is wrong don't use it.

The Main ppl complaining about it are those idiots who think ecto is a currency and those who have e-peen weapons.

And that's all I have to say.

I like your facts. How about the fact that even with perma sf ecto price hasn't changed?

Id semi sign this.

The problem is perma SF was possble before (its now just been made a lot easier).

However the [Signet of disenchantment] idea will not work (you would need at least 2 foes to target the sin to make it usefull (strip Fire attunement and then SF).

Maybe put a few clones of the Duuhm brothers onto the chaos plains who have a 0 att. [Signet of humility]. However that will only stop the farmers who do not know how to keep their cool (SF has more than 1 second leeway).

UB seems to have had much less of an impatc on the ecto price than the SF buff has done (prices have gone from easily 20e for 100K to a difficult sale at 22 or even 23e for 100K). The trader prices have stoped hanging around 5,5K per ecto to buy to hanging closer to 4,5K per ecto. Its not really gaembreaking yet, and I expect the prices to rise again after favor has been lost... but until then I expect prices to go down even more (much like Obsidian shards have dropped from 2,xK to 1,1K).

I wouldnt sign it for the reason to stop farmers from being able to farm... but so that farmers would be required to use their brains and learn/make new builds to do the same thing (or to make it a duo run like the old 55 Solo farmer has been stopped)

Wrong way.

The problem is not this 1 farming run, the problem is much bigger than that. The problem is having 1 absurdly overpowered skill that can allow farming just about everything and much more efficient than any other farming builds.

But still, mindblades could receive a buff, they're just pathetic flying bags of ectos waiting to get farmed in hundreds.

/vote nerf SF and other imba skills first, then look at specific farming spots if they're still a problem.

Hate to break it to you, but "those idiots" are actually correct. Ecto is a trading medium and has been virtually since the beginning.

Well, no. Last time I checked SF did not disable Loot Scaling which limits all solo farming to a certain hourly rate, with the exception of an exempt list. The Chaos Planes run is more or less the only one which violates guidelines because ecto is on the list and the expected amount of ecto per hour is much higher than anywhere else. An adjustment of ecto drop probability would put this run back in line.

Overall, it doesn't matter how invincible you are (most farming builds are invincible for the given target) because the efficiency of all builds is capped by Loot Scaling.

Actually that is not true tmakinen. Ectos are rare materials and Anet has stated that materials, rare materials and collectable drops are exept from loot scaling

... but they also said that loot scaling is no more and there is no farming code... if you ask them.. then the CIA killed Kenedy aswell, but thats another story

No. Not collectible drops.

White, blue, purple, gold and trophies are affected by lootscalling.

/signed

to those of you who say that the planes have always been farmable yes that is true but now its so easy a monkey could do it which is bad for the economy. Back before the nerf it actually took a little skill to keep SF up forever now its pretty easy.

Seriously just give the spectres leech signet. Then they would just interrupt everything and you would die. That would be the logical solution.

Here's my take on all this mess. Before the SF buff, ectos were hovering around 5.5k. They are currently at 4.8k each, after about three weeks of SF farming. It's not that big of a drop. Also keep in mind, a lot of the sins are out there just to get fow armor, chaos gloves, or high end goods. If they were dedicated farmers, they would have been using a/me with arcane long ago. Give it time, maybe a month or so more, and a majority of the new farmers will get bored, and go do something else, and the ecto market will stabilize again.

Furthermore, for all the people screaming for a nerf, stop and think for a minute. Do you really think Anet didn't expect people to flood UW after the buff? It was done for a reason. Even with the mistakes they've made in the past, the devs surely aren't stupid enough to make buffs like this and not know what it would do to the economy.

how are you sure about it? /rofl

Not only is this post useless...

But the devs should have known making perma shadow doable was going to make some kind of crash.

But whats even worse is the nerf uw farm is just as bad as ursan now. lulz

Actually, they have. Prices of shards have gone up becasue people who are overfarming UW with perma sin to buy FoW armor are buying their shards from the trader to get enough for the armor.

People always forget that the ectos need to be sold to the trader to cause a price change. A lack of a price change at the trader doesn't mean the ectos aren't all over the place, it just means people are hoarding them more.

Exactly.

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