So lately i found a lot of puggers want your monk to have a HB build directly copied from wiki without any room for creativity.Failure to deliver will get you "OMG NUB'"'d and kicked.So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using. Not surprisingly, the mindless ursans don't even notice i have replaced healing seed with spotless mind and gliph of lesser energy with divine spirit for DoA.
So: Do you guys do this as well?
"Ping build k?"
EPO Bot
Tyla
It's because HB is the strongest form of healing in the game. Infuse excluded. And it so happens that Ursans shouldn't need prots, aswell as consumables being present.
GoLE > Divine Spirit by the way. Divine Spirit is bad under most circumstances.
As for Healing Seed, yeah it sucks.
And yeah, I always do it. I only PuG AB though.
GoLE > Divine Spirit by the way. Divine Spirit is bad under most circumstances.
As for Healing Seed, yeah it sucks.
And yeah, I always do it. I only PuG AB though.
Chrono Re delle Ere
Pugs are pugs, it's a well known issue.
Plz anet nerf pugs.
Plz anet nerf pugs.
BlackSephir
No.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run.
komma
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using. So: Do you guys do this as well?
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anywho yea, sneaky sneaky
EPO Bot
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Originally Posted by Tyla
It's because HB is the strongest form of healing in the game. Infuse excluded. And it so happens that Ursans shouldn't need prots, aswell as consumables being present.
GoLE > Divine Spirit by the way. Divine Spirit is bad under most circumstances. As for Healing Seed, yeah it sucks. |
Tyla
People run 16 Divine Favour for it? Wow that's bad. And besides, GoLE = free heals unless it's 15+ energy, in which it will only cost 5+ energy.
And as far as energy management goes, nothing compares to GoLE except for a few things that are only for other professions.
Channeling is only most decent for places like HA.
And as far as energy management goes, nothing compares to GoLE except for a few things that are only for other professions.
Channeling is only most decent for places like HA.
Kikuta
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Channeling is only most decent for places like HA.
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Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.
EPO Bot
No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game. That's what i like about the giant spellbook of GW after all.
around
Because running right up close to a mob who are liable to instagib you is a great idea, amirite?
Dallcingi
Yeah I just change skills afterwards since they do not even notice.
Alexandra-Sweet
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Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...
Channeling is great for any caster in PvE. |
Turbobusa
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Originally Posted by Kikuta
Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...
Channeling is great for any caster in PvE. |
That's if the frontline failed to keep aggro on them (kinda-tanking purpose)
I prefer them to be away from squishies but hey that's just me.
You either have lots of ennemies on you, and need the energy, or you don't, and you don't need energy.
Rather ironic.
on topic:
I ping the bar they want me to run, then switch out the bad skills for better ones. I don't mind playing with some less efficient skills anyway, most of the people asking you to run HB are ursans, and there isn't much to do other than push bars up on a big armored ally.
NYC Elite
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Originally Posted by Kikuta
Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...
Channeling is great for any caster in PvE. |
Kayelyyb
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
No.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run. |
and olias is the worse, more than once i had to remove kick me signs off my back.
The Red Messenger
i think monks should be replaced by healing potions in GW2. this is one of the many things diablo 2 did right =)
on a serious note...
those cookie cutter builds make people happy because an inexperienced monk can pick it up and heal decently as long as they understand the game somewhat. until there is a way to prove experience, people in pugs prefer the build that is proven to be solid.
i agree, other builds can be better, but this one is a catch-all (minus condition and hex removal, which is nice to have)
on a serious note...
those cookie cutter builds make people happy because an inexperienced monk can pick it up and heal decently as long as they understand the game somewhat. until there is a way to prove experience, people in pugs prefer the build that is proven to be solid.
i agree, other builds can be better, but this one is a catch-all (minus condition and hex removal, which is nice to have)
Tyla
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game. That's what i like about the giant spellbook of GW after all.
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Nessar
I usually ping whatever bar, then I change it to what will work for the area. Most people don't notice since their red bars stay up ^^
Also, I use GoLE more often then channeling, since my monk doesn't leroy into mobs...
Also, I use GoLE more often then channeling, since my monk doesn't leroy into mobs...
Kikuta
Can't argue with everyone's reply, but I do like to equip channeling in mob heavy areas as an 'emergency' countermeasure. The way I see it the more enemies that are close to me, the more energy I'll probably need to keep myself and fellow casters alive - it's usually the case. Probably not fully worth the skill slot it takes up but oh well, makes me comfy in iffy situations.
Sethellington
i ask to ping, but usally if there any variation oh HB, as long as it has [Healer's Boon][Seed of Life][Healing Seed][Heal Party] + whatever else thrown in, I won't say anything, and I'll be happy to have found a prospectively competent monk. Of course, in a few situations, seeds are redundant, so again, I don't complain 
TheRaven
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with your tactics. Pinging an "acceptable" build and then switching to something you like is just childish IMO and part of the problem that give PUGS a bad reputation.
I'm not saying that your preferred build is bad. Maybe it is bad or maybe it's way better than the usual cookie cutter, but I think your team leader should make the call. If you don't want to run the build that the leader suggests then argue your point with him. Explain why your version is better. If he insists on the cookie cutter that you hate then either run the cookie cutter or leave and find another team.
I went on a point farming run yesterday (Vanquish magus stones). I joined and pinged an Ursan build. A necro joined soon afterwards and pinged this:
[skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Kindle Arrows[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Volley[/skill][skill]Enfeeble[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Did I mention he was a Necro? I suggested that he switch to Ursan but he insisted that his MM build was better than Ursan (that's a mm build???). The leader asked him to change his build and he pinged an Ursan build. Once we left town though we noticed that he had switched back. He thought his build was the best build ever!!! A flesh golem and a pet!!! Awesome! They can do all the tanking for him!
Cookie cutter builds are usually cookie cutter for a reason. They are the best builds for the job. Sure they may be boring to play and I can't comment on the HB monk build since I've never played a monk. If your build is better then explain why and educate the rest of the team. If the rest of the team says your build sucks then perhaps it does.
I'm not saying that your preferred build is bad. Maybe it is bad or maybe it's way better than the usual cookie cutter, but I think your team leader should make the call. If you don't want to run the build that the leader suggests then argue your point with him. Explain why your version is better. If he insists on the cookie cutter that you hate then either run the cookie cutter or leave and find another team.
I went on a point farming run yesterday (Vanquish magus stones). I joined and pinged an Ursan build. A necro joined soon afterwards and pinged this:
[skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Kindle Arrows[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Volley[/skill][skill]Enfeeble[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Did I mention he was a Necro? I suggested that he switch to Ursan but he insisted that his MM build was better than Ursan (that's a mm build???). The leader asked him to change his build and he pinged an Ursan build. Once we left town though we noticed that he had switched back. He thought his build was the best build ever!!! A flesh golem and a pet!!! Awesome! They can do all the tanking for him!
Cookie cutter builds are usually cookie cutter for a reason. They are the best builds for the job. Sure they may be boring to play and I can't comment on the HB monk build since I've never played a monk. If your build is better then explain why and educate the rest of the team. If the rest of the team says your build sucks then perhaps it does.
Tyla
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That build has D-Shot though.
That build has D-Shot though.
Shadow Slave
Divine Spirit (+ Selfless Spirit if you have the room) > GoLE if your bar is mainly 5e Skills...
On topic - I dont think I have ever had to change my build for a pug
(That being said I have also never monked for an Ursan team)
...Edit: See TheRaven's post for why I dont think I have ever had to change for a Pug
Educate them or leave them seems a good policy
On topic - I dont think I have ever had to change my build for a pug
(That being said I have also never monked for an Ursan team)
...Edit: See TheRaven's post for why I dont think I have ever had to change for a Pug
Educate them or leave them seems a good policy
Nessar
Even if I do change my build for my monk, I ping it and I get no complaints.
So..I've never really had a problem with builds...
So..I've never really had a problem with builds...
luwe80
The sad/funny thing is most of them don't even play Monks so they don't know if your bar is good or not. They just know it's not what they're used to.
I don't know how you monks keep monking. I only know the Ele proffesion inside and out and that's the only bars I do comment on.
I don't know how you monks keep monking. I only know the Ele proffesion inside and out and that's the only bars I do comment on.
tormtk
Well when I pug I ping my build and look over the others in my party. If you dont do this you could end up with one crappy player and ruin what your doing. However, people watch this practice, then ask others to do it but don't know anything better than the builds on wiki. So if you do high end areas and know your class well you should ping the build you are using and if they kick you for it, who cares. If they kick a player who uses a better build than the cookie cutter version you can probably find a better party anyway.
theonetheonlybruce
when i do doa runs ursan way i like run this [build=OwUT04nBXquaj43Z6LHcTLIQmA] over hb and as a 3rd monk with 2 other hb its actually very good but one day i got bitch out so i told them RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you left got a new group started and had no problem btw this build works great u just spam lod all day
Tyla
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Divine Spirit (+ Selfless Spirit if you have the room) > GoLE if your bar is mainly 5e Skills...
On topic - I dont think I have ever had to change my build for a pug (That being said I have also never monked for an Ursan team) |
As for things like Heal Party, GoLE allows this skill to be squeezed out alot, especially when the usage of this skill is needed often. Strong energy management is mandatory in HB / Heal Party builds, because there are times when you need to excessively use this skill.
Gun Pierson
Yeah I sometimes switch builds too, but all within reason and I know what I'm doing. In DoA and UW, key skills like 'healer's boon', 'Seed of life', 'heal party', 'Gole' will remain on my bar, but I might play around a bit with the other skill slots to prevent things from getting boring.
In general I have no problem at all to adjust my bar to a specific strat.
In general I have no problem at all to adjust my bar to a specific strat.
Akaraxle
Save the wiki HB bar, save your build; if they ask you to ping, load the HB bar and show them, then reload your own build. Most people are so dumb (and busy with their 1-2-3 buttonmashing) that they won't notice as long as they get heals.
Pleikki
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No.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run. |
Lest121
I hate when someone ask me to change my Build...........Yesterday I went Evil monk on a bunch of Pugs, I changed it and didn't heal just sat there and watch them die at the First group..........the other monk sucked because I could have kept the whole team alive I have been on runs where one monk left and I kept everyone alive............most of the time I quit when someone ask me to change my build, but the pugs this weekend pissed me off so I had my fun with one group.
Celebrian
The changes you made to the build are very minor, so minor that i find it ridiculous to call it your own style. The fact that the "mindless" ursans dont even notice only proves this as it simply shows that theres no difference in the abilities of the 2 builds.
So you take spotless mind, what does this actually do for you in a doa run when everyone is hexed up to the core anyway? Is there really that much difference in the abilities of energy management with divine spirit and GoLE anyway?
Not only this but from personal experience the only hex that becomes mildly annoying is mind freeze. Obviously if your monking hexes such as migraine will screw you over but you should be far enough back that you dont get hexed anyway.
Overall i'd say that making a fuss over such minor things is pointless, but continue if you must :s
So you take spotless mind, what does this actually do for you in a doa run when everyone is hexed up to the core anyway? Is there really that much difference in the abilities of energy management with divine spirit and GoLE anyway?
Not only this but from personal experience the only hex that becomes mildly annoying is mind freeze. Obviously if your monking hexes such as migraine will screw you over but you should be far enough back that you dont get hexed anyway.
Overall i'd say that making a fuss over such minor things is pointless, but continue if you must :s
lutz
Who really cares? It doesn't have to be directly copied from the wiki (most builds from the wiki are bad anyway), and really, there is no room for "creativity", unless you are good, in which case bringing Power Drain is awesome.
Shadow Slave
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If your bar is composed of 5 energy skills, you shouldn't really need the energy management skills..
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It isn't always that straight forward - the size of the party, whether you are the sole monk, the area you are monking...these things can all play a part.
We are talking about Pugs right?
Sleeper Service
no, since if im puging its by choice and they can gtfo out my party if they dont like it.
edit : and people LIKE being in my team.
edit : and people LIKE being in my team.
Hugh Manatee
Air of superiority+Divine Spirit or selfless spirit is like god mode for a monk.
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Shadow Slave
Arguably.
It isn't always that straight forward - the size of the party, whether you are the sole monk, the area you are monking...these things can all play a part. We are talking about Pugs right? |
Koudelka
It's funny how unobservant ursans are. I usually pop into a group with my M/R Healer's Covenant build, and they don't even think twice about asking me to ping my build. In general, people that ask others to ping are insecure.
Proff
I pug when I don't feel like running h/h so if your bar is half decent for the area and you seem competent idc.