Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I'm not comparing GW as a multiplayer game to a single-player game (in fact I can play GW completely by myself these days), but as an RPG to an RPG. And what is it that makes GW an MMO? That it's online only? I've found GW to have more in common with Diablo than any MMO I've ever played.
The new content you "had to pay for" is nothing but stand-alone expansion packs. We only payed a single fee for GW, we don't deserve anything more. I don't hear people complaining when they had to pay for the expansion pack for StarCraft. |
Guild Wars 2 Frequently Asked Questions
jzupko
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aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by recon54
However, then today came and Blizzard not only announced Diablo 3, but they also provided screenies, gameplay video, and a cinematic!
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The difference between Diablo 3 and GW2 is that Blizzard waited until they had such promotional tools available to announce Diablo 3 while aNet announced GW2 long before having begun true production on it. They could probably release screenshots of whatever the game looks like at the moment, but would those unfinished "screenies" encourage fans or would it just start 100 more whine threads saying "GW2 graphics suck!" because the game isn't finished yet?
Age
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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin
This is just my guess, but what that sounds like is simply mobs becoming more difficult when more players are in your group, therefore when you solo you won't be fighting a very difficult enemy unless it is suppose to be very difficult, also when you have a full group (like in GW1 getting a caravan run from ToA to Ascalon) the enemies are harder. It seems like an attempt to balance the "player vs monster" concept. Don't really know how it will work in a persistent world, so we'll have to wait and see.
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recon54
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Originally Posted by aaje vhanli
The difference between Diablo 3 and GW2 is that Blizzard waited until they had such promotional tools available to announce Diablo 3 while aNet announced GW2 long before having begun true production on it. They could probably release screenshots of whatever the game looks like at the moment, but would those unfinished "screenies" encourage fans or would it just start 100 more whine threads saying "GW2 graphics suck!" because the game isn't finished yet?
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At this same point of the GW1 production phase they alrdy offered more to their potential customers. If my memory serves me correctly they did at least have a video of GWs back in 02, which was 3 yrs before release, and was with crappy graphics. Then in 03 (2 yrs before release) there was the official GW site which had in game pics posted on it (most of which were just environment which is all they need to release atm, just as long as they SHOW us something and not tell us, cuz i think most of would agree it is much better to watch/see a sunset than it is to be told it how it is/was and have it explained to us).
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by recon54
I think if they were to release screenies of the current state of the game, ppl would not be complaining bout how crappy the graphics would be. Cuz at the worst they would probably look like the current graphics that we have, which are actually very great atm compared to most other games in this genre. Plus its actually now over a year from being announced, at least 1 screenshot from the game for proof that they are in fact working on it would be very highly appreciated, especially if they intend to release within the next year or 2.
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Don't get me wrong, I will not think twice to click links when aNet starts releasing more info and photos of the progress. My point, however, is that they will release screen shots/teasers when the game is ready for it. We speculate that they must have something for us but, in all reality, we have absolutely no f'ing idea. People can complain that they are "losing interest" but, honestly, aNet could release nothing to maintain our interest in the meantime and --if GW2 ends up being a truly impressive product-- people are going to shit bricks and come flocking back once aNet's good and ready to release further info/teasers or the game itself.
When GW1 was in production, aNet was trying to interest their potential customers. They were showing people why they should give a rat's ass about GW. Now that they have already developed a fanbase, this is not required as desperately so they can take their time working on the game more and provide public teasers later down the line.
Whether they release anything or not, things will move, time will not stop and it will eventually come. What difference does it seriously make other than that people are impatient?
I know how it is, I am eager and excited too. But why cry about it?
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by recon54
I think if they were to release screenies of the current state of the game, ppl would not be complaining bout how crappy the graphics would be. Cuz at the worst they would probably look like the current graphics that we have, which are actually very great atm compared to most other games in this genre.
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Aaje is correct. The difference between D3 and GW2 is that Blizzard kept their mouth shut for longer. I'm positive D3 has been in production just as long, if not longer, then GW2. Heck, just look at StarCraft 2, that's been supposedly in development by Blizzard for over 2 years before it was announced.
Javeron
Screenshots and 20 minute long video will suffice, since Diablo III media has now set the standard.
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by Javeron
Screenshots and 20 minute long video will suffice, since Diablo III media has now set the standard.
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you must be young, there is no standard for how a games developement company give you information
ANet, unlike Mythic (Warhammer Online for example), ANet are telling us nothing, they are doing WHAT THEY WANT, and then, when they are happy, they'll show us things and get our feedback, buts that ANet, they do what they want (ok, they pandered to the customer two/three years down the line) but as they did with Guild Wars 1, they are doing something newish and want to get it done before showing us
Nick Of Troy
So does this announcement confirm that there will be only the 5 playable races in GW2? No possibility they might announce tengu or somehing at a later date?
Chrono Re delle Ere
Diablo III announced?? Bye bye GW. Was funny :P
Nah, well I'll have to decide if they actually announced diablo 3....
Nah, well I'll have to decide if they actually announced diablo 3....
PlasticBlue
Well, guess I know what I'll be doing till gw2 beta starts... wb Diablo
Sirius-NZ
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Originally Posted by Nick Of Troy
So does this announcement confirm that there will be only the 5 playable races in GW2? No possibility they might announce tengu or somehing at a later date?
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Unsurprisingly, popular rumour has it that tengu, centaurs, and maybe the forgotten, mursaat, or naga will turn up in later expansions. The first two are the only ones I'd actually put money on though.
P.S. I seriously doubt Diablo 3 will be out until a similar timeframe to Guild Wars 2. I would not at all be surprised if the two actually end up competing somewhat.
pamelf
Disappointed by the delay of Beta, but i'm looking forward to a glitch free game when in finally is released. I'd rather a delay than a Hellgate: London debarcle.
viper11025
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Originally Posted by Kikuta
I smell details at E3.
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Anet, don't suprise us too much.
Zesbeer
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Originally Posted by Javeron
Screenshots and 20 minute long video will suffice, since Diablo III media has now set the standard.
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Lawnmower
Not even a Diablo fan but I gotta say that, that announcement was fracking epic! God that rocked.
Its like the internet is going up in flames and everyone rushing out to get DII again, lol.
I don't understand how they can do it. Blizzard is amazing.
Its like the internet is going up in flames and everyone rushing out to get DII again, lol.
I don't understand how they can do it. Blizzard is amazing.
Lawnmower
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Originally Posted by Zesbeer
the biggest mistake they made is tell us that they were making gw2 i bet there no were close to having game play footage, i bet they are still planing. also talk about not being competitive. anet has really drooped the ball in the website and info department of gw2. just look at the websites for da3 and ra3 movies and screen shots and everything gw2's website just leads you to the guild wars website.
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Not worth making long time commitments, getting titles and building community if everyone is already on their way out. At the same time, nothing sucks more than being a veteran in a dying online.
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Agreed. I havent played GW since GW2 was announced. What is the point? A sequel defeats the purpose of playing the older game.
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Or if sequel sucks. Neverwinter Nights, unfortunately. I still play it, thought sequel will be good, got disappointed.
Or if there were many things changed in the sequel, good or not, such as graphics and requirements. I still played Enemy Territory: Wolfenstein few weeks after Quake Wars premiere, mainly on my not-too-good laptop. Not the same, though... Not the same for good, of course.
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
A standard of what?
you must be young, there is no standard for how a games developement company give you information ANet, unlike Mythic (Warhammer Online for example), ANet are telling us nothing, they are doing WHAT THEY WANT, and then, when they are happy, they'll show us things and get our feedback, buts that ANet, they do what they want (ok, they pandered to the customer two/three years down the line) but as they did with Guild Wars 1, they are doing something newish and want to get it done before showing us |
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Originally Posted by Nick Of Troy
So does this announcement confirm that there will be only the 5 playable races in GW2? No possibility they might announce tengu or somehing at a later date?
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Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Nick Of Troy
So does this announcement confirm that there will be only the 5 playable races in GW2? No possibility they might announce tengu or somehing at a later date?
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Gregslot
I saw ANTI-GRIND twice there.
Those are good news indeed.
Those are good news indeed.
warcrap
yay persistent and no more dumb forced grouping.
HawkofStorms
Slightly off topic... but I'd like to point this out.
According to information found on the web, development of Diablo 3 started sometime when Blizzard North still existed. Those offices were shut down in 2005... which means that Diablo 3 has been in development for at least 3 years already prior to its public announcement. Like I, and others have said, you can't compare the amount of information given out yesterday by Blizzard to what A.net has done since GW2 has only been in development for about as long as when GW:EN started development and GW:Utopia was cancelled.
According to information found on the web, development of Diablo 3 started sometime when Blizzard North still existed. Those offices were shut down in 2005... which means that Diablo 3 has been in development for at least 3 years already prior to its public announcement. Like I, and others have said, you can't compare the amount of information given out yesterday by Blizzard to what A.net has done since GW2 has only been in development for about as long as when GW:EN started development and GW:Utopia was cancelled.
Sirius-NZ
Diablo 3 seems to have gone through a long period of concept development and re-thinking before getting on to the version you see now. That would explain why they've only had ~40 people working on it so far.
P.S. Regarding GW2 announcement - I actually think it was better for ArenaNet to announce GW2 early to let us know why GW is slowing down. I can only imagine what would be happening now if they hadn't.
P.S. Regarding GW2 announcement - I actually think it was better for ArenaNet to announce GW2 early to let us know why GW is slowing down. I can only imagine what would be happening now if they hadn't.
aaje vhanli
For the most part, I agree with Sirius' observation. I must point out, however, that they could have just announced GW:EN and announced GW2 around now. That would have saved them a year of fan speculation, whining and preservation.
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Can I laugh?
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“…your original Guild Wars character names will be reserved for your use in Guild Wars 2. In addition, Guild Wars 2 recognizes the accomplishments commemorated by your original Guild Wars characters in the Hall of Monuments…”
I know this is not new but every time I read this I wonder if they mean that the reserved name is linked to the HoM accomplishments. Meaning if I want to take advantage of the “unique rewards” I’m going to have to use my GW1 character name in GW2. This sux for those of us that want to change our naming scheme across our characters in GW2. I sure hope this is not the case.
Anyone know for sure?
Found my answer: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10302000
I know this is not new but every time I read this I wonder if they mean that the reserved name is linked to the HoM accomplishments. Meaning if I want to take advantage of the “unique rewards” I’m going to have to use my GW1 character name in GW2. This sux for those of us that want to change our naming scheme across our characters in GW2. I sure hope this is not the case.
Anyone know for sure?
Found my answer: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10302000
Aerian_Skybane
I am still shocked to see all the "Why play anything older than the current ______ sequel".
It boggles the mind how you would give up a quality game just because a sequel is announced...
When SC2 comes out, are you going to never play SC1 again? Its a different style, a different story, game play, they are two different games, why "quit" the old one. Sure maybe you will like teh sequel more, but it still shouldn't force you to quit the old one.
I mean, using that train of thought, hey, I love Crysis, but Far Cry 2 is coming out, clearly I shouldn't be playing Crysis anymore. Hey, Mass Effect PC came out! Oh wait D3 was announced, I should quit.
I mean seriously WTF?
It boggles the mind how you would give up a quality game just because a sequel is announced...
When SC2 comes out, are you going to never play SC1 again? Its a different style, a different story, game play, they are two different games, why "quit" the old one. Sure maybe you will like teh sequel more, but it still shouldn't force you to quit the old one.
I mean, using that train of thought, hey, I love Crysis, but Far Cry 2 is coming out, clearly I shouldn't be playing Crysis anymore. Hey, Mass Effect PC came out! Oh wait D3 was announced, I should quit.
I mean seriously WTF?
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Darksun
Sure, after you name an MMO RPG with less grind.
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That aside, this is why I don't like putting GW on the "MMO" pedestal.
DokkyDok
Will Guild Wars 2 be an MMO?
Yes. Guild Wars 2 provides a massive, online persistent world.
...Fun while it lasted, Arena-net.
Yes. Guild Wars 2 provides a massive, online persistent world.
...Fun while it lasted, Arena-net.
Lawnmower
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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane
I am still shocked to see all the "Why play anything older than the current ______ sequel".
It boggles the mind how you would give up a quality game just because a sequel is announced... When SC2 comes out, are you going to never play SC1 again? Its a different style, a different story, game play, they are two different games, why "quit" the old one. Sure maybe you will like teh sequel more, but it still shouldn't force you to quit the old one. I mean, using that train of thought, hey, I love Crysis, but Far Cry 2 is coming out, clearly I shouldn't be playing Crysis anymore. Hey, Mass Effect PC came out! Oh wait D3 was announced, I should quit. I mean seriously WTF? |
GW2 destroyed everything. People dont care anymore. People dont wanna play something that is on its way out.
Starcraft had a single player... Starcraft was legendary.
But GW... No matter what they did or what amount of succes it had, it always stood n the shadow of WoW...
And look at it now. now even the supposed fans of GW are drooling over Diablo 3, confirming what people said about GW prior to its release over 3 years ago - that it was merely a time waster for the real diablo 3.
GW needs players. otherwise it cant work. people will leave for the new. its depressing. I had hoped they would leave this game alone. let it grow old and strong, like D2... D2 had 8-10 years to develop and substain a community. GW2 is in no real of a sequel.
you might wanna play that flute and say that next gen features need a new engine bla bla bla - But that still won't change the fact that the game is great and that they doomed it.
playing GW now is like cutting yourself with a knife. absolutely pointless. destroying all the work people put into it.
after their sequels came out the online communities of everquest, nwn, diablo warcraft and so on, diminished and started to suck.
when they released GW, it became the players world. Anet should have left it alone... if they wanted to make money they could make a new franchise instead of doing this.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Guild Wars: Prophecies, lulz!
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Darksun
hmm, can you define a word with the same word?
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But that kind of voids the point. Saying "name me an MMO with less grind" isn't saying much since that statement is forgiving even the tiniest amount of grind existing in GW in the first place.
I can't name you a whole lot of MMO's with less grind in them, but I can name you a couple trillion RPGs without any.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Only if the GW of today was exactly the same as the GW of yesteryear.
But that kind of voids the point. Saying "name me an MMO with less grind" isn't saying much since that statement is forgiving even the tiniest amount of grind existing in GW in the first place. I can't name you a whole lot of MMO's with less grind in them, but I can name you a couple trillion RPGs without any. |
Most RPGs have a level grind that far outstripes ANYTHING in GW. (look at FF. it's NOTHING but level/equ grind with fvms in between, but people go gaga over it.) The only grind that is necessary is SS title track since you need it to get to the next area. (or be lvl 17). The faction level grind for armor is shorter than the time it takes to get the money & materials, & the factions skills are already more powerful than regular skills (I love how people complain about the PvE skill power & the "necessary" grind for said skills in the same breath.)
The other completely disingenuous statement is to associate GW more with traditional RPGs than MMOs. It's closer to an MMO and everyone knows it. They only separate the two for the sake of argument. If this was a traditional RPG, once you beat the game your characters would be unusable for anything but the last savegame & if you wanted to do anything else you'd have to start over. So saying optional grind is useless or lableing optional grind as necessary makes no sense since they want to extend the game like every other MMO, ie: faction/armor/title/hardmode grind.
Asking for an MMO with less grind isn't forgiving anything. It's taking into account everything else, which people love to ignore. There are not a couple trillion games with less grind unless you conveniently ignore all the optional activities in other RPGs & add up all the ones in GW.
The truth is, GW grind is not bad. It's better than pretty much everything else out there. It's not worth calling the whole game "Grind Wars" and say "I lolz" when they talk about anti-grind. but you give people an inch...
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Darksun
The other completely disingenuous statement is to associate GW more with traditional RPGs than MMOs. It's closer to an MMO and everyone knows it...
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"Way back when", around Factions' release and with titles, the "grind" in the game was insignificant - not because there wasn't "grind" but because it was all vanity. It was all optional, unrequired grind. What I didn't agree with, and what killed GW's uniqueness, was providing actual in-game benefits for said grind. That right there turned it off of the path from being a unique online RPG and more into the realm of generic run-of-the-mill MMO's - a very bad direction.
While the original "Guild Wars" is still there, it's piled under heaps of new additions and other changes that, ultimately, change the original game. If you add something to a painting, it's no longer the same work of art, and it will be appreciated on entirely different aspects.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Please don't make such sweeping statements. I've counted more similarities between GW and Diablo than I have with any other MMO. When you plug the term "mmo" onto a game, you are attempting to appeal to a whole different and largely jaded playerbase.
"Way back when", around Factions' release and with titles, the "grind" in the game was insignificant - not because there wasn't "grind" but because it was all vanity. It was all optional, unrequired grind. What I didn't agree with, and what killed GW's uniqueness, was providing actual in-game benefits for said grind. That right there turned it off of the path from being a unique online RPG and more into the realm of generic run-of-the-mill MMO's - a very bad direction. While the original "Guild Wars" is still there, it's piled under heaps of new additions and other changes that, ultimately, change the original game. If you add something to a painting, it's no longer the same work of art, and it will be appreciated on entirely different aspects. |
No, Guild Wars grind is ridiculously low. I could understand if a MAJORITY of the content required faction grinding, but when Luxon/Kurz & SS are the only places you need it to continue.. it's more lulz to complain than to say GW has an anti-grind philosophy.
pumpkin pie
So guild wars 2 will be a MMO instead of CORPG?
Interesting stuffs that i gather from the FAQ and would like to know more about are:
War Machines - can other races acquire and use them?
Shapeshifting - is that a skill that all races can acquire and use?
"bound by common dream" - whatever does that means?
it has: "different professions and races, new technology" - guns?
Interesting stuffs that i gather from the FAQ and would like to know more about are:
War Machines - can other races acquire and use them?
Shapeshifting - is that a skill that all races can acquire and use?
"bound by common dream" - whatever does that means?
it has: "different professions and races, new technology" - guns?
SirSausage
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Punio4
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Originally Posted by SirSausage
Bestial means that they could transform into other animals. Interesting.
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Abedeus
There will be ninjas. Wizards. NINJA WIZARDS!!!
And more bears. BEARS SHOOTING LAZORS FROM THEIR EYES!!
And more bears. BEARS SHOOTING LAZORS FROM THEIR EYES!!