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Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 01:46 - 1

To Whom it may concern:

In the 7/2/2008 update, you addressed the over-usefulness of Shadow Form Farming, specifically the ability to farm ectos in Underworld. Even as one of the players using one of the many SF builds to farm UW, I applaud this move. The price of ecto's dropped dramatically while this farm was easier, and that was affecting the in-game economy grievously.

Now, I (along with countless other customers/players) hope that this move paves the way for a change to Ursan Blessing.

SF farming was affecting the economy quite a bit, but for a long time now, UB has been affecting ALL aspects of the economy. Some of the most difficult areas of the game are easily handled with a team of Ursans, making the rare drops in those areas worth much less. Additionally, if a player either does not have access to UB, or refuses to use it for whatever reason, pick-up groups in these aforementioned Elite Areas will simply pass a would be teammate by.

While we understand that access to UB can be a major selling point for GW Eye of the North, it could be very easily argued that making the Hall of Monuments account-beased regarding accomplishments (as was recently mentioned) is even more enticing to those players who haven't yet purchased GW:EN.

Our proposal is a simple one. Make GW:EN PvE only skills only usable in GW:EN. This precedent has already been set by the GW:EN Reputation Title Blessings. (With the exception of the bonus vs. Charr, which could also be geographically limited) The skills would then still be viable, just limited in their area of use.

Now, granted, there are also Nightfall PvE only skills, but Nightfall is a PRIMARY campaign of GW, not an expansion like GW:EN. I wouldn't change those, nor would I change the Factions title based skills.

I sincerely hope you see the logic in this suggestion and keep it in mind as you work to further improve the games you have so masterfully crafted.

Regards,
SOME of the Guild Wars Players

EDIT: realized I made it sound like these were solely my ideas, which was not the intent. Changed personal pronouns to plural pronouns

EDIT 2: Changed signature of letter... talk about QQing... sheesh

toastgodsupreme

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03 Jul 2008 at 01:57 - 2

QQ

Let's just stop with the nerf herding. Seriously. Just, no more. I hate Ursan just as much as the next guy, but let's stop being whiny bitches. Can we do that? Can we stop being little girls about everything?

Skye Marin

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03 Jul 2008 at 01:58 - 3

SF and Ursan are two completely different things. One was an overly effective solo farming build, and the other is one part of an efficient team build that requires human players to co-operate to succeed.

If your main concern is finding a PuG in a high end area that doesn't want a specific build, then your solution doesn't solve anything. The next most efficient build will just take its place. If your main concern is that Ursan stagnates creative build making, then a duration nerf might be justified, so that Ursan becomes just one part of a player's skill bar, instead of the focus.

zelgadissan

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:00 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Regards,
Guild Wars Players

I agree with what you're saying. I hate ursan. That said, the quote bothers me because you're implying everyone hates Ursan (most do including me, but not everybody).

Anyway, can't sign because I'm tired of seeing nerfs because it's what people want and not what is best for the game. No, they are NOT the same thing.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:04 - 5

@ Toast: I'm not suggesting changing the effects of UB, just where it can be used. I'm only suggesting that the precedent that was set with other PvE only skills (non-class specific, non-EotN: eg. Lightbringer's Gaze) AND the rep title blessings be applied to the EotN skills.

And this is by no means QQ-ing. It's just a suggestion, and a well worded and thought out one thank you very much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

I agree with what you're saying. I hate ursan. That said, the quote bothers me because you're implying everyone hates Ursan (most do including me, but not everybody).

Anyway, can't sign because I'm tired of seeing nerfs because it's what people want and not what is best for the game. No, they are NOT the same thing.

I realize that my ending can come off as all-inclusive, but "Some of the Guild Wars Players" didn't seem appropriate.

xx luna xx

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:08 - 6

not signed.

mainly because, although i see your point, SF was an overpowered SOLO farm, while Ursan is a TEAM farm. It's two completely different aspects of gameplay.
And gzuz seriously drop the nerf QQing -.-

EDIT: lol thx :P

Stockholm

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:10 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Regards,
Guild Wars Players

Would you please change the signature on that post as you only represent your self, or show where and when you was elected to speak for the whole player base.

If not, I suggest a Mod delete this whole thread.

toastgodsupreme

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:32 - 8

No, as much as I hate it, I'm not going to be a part of it's nerfing.

I am part of the guild wars community and I do not approve this message.

The only message I approve of is:

"Please, stop nerfing shit ANET."

That's IT.

cellardweller

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:46 - 9

I think we should nerf open letters.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:51 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

The only message I approve of is:

"Please, stop nerfing shit ANET."

That's IT.

Agreed. ANET please stop updating anything if it means that the effectiveness will be lessened. I only want buffs going forward. Nothing but buffs, so that eventually I can get my level 1 mesmer/necro/sin/paragon/whatever run to any area of the game and completely annihilate anything thrown in my path because I was able to get my hands on skills that have only been buffed for the last year or so. /end sarcasm

The point of skill updates is to BALANCE the game. UB has been unbalanced since day 1, while multitudes of other skills and builds have been thrown into the wood chipper.

ALSO, please notice that I included ALL of the GW:EN PvE skills in my suggestion, because there are other ones that are unbalanced when taken out of GW:EN. Do you realize how easy it is to vanquish Ascalon with multiple copies of Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support? In fact, go anywhere in HM with Sin Support and see if it doesnt help. THAT is unbalanced too.

Granted, I don't want it to the point where ANY build is as good as any other, but if you look at UB's "usefulness" as compared to other team builds, you'll see why ANET's claims could ring hollow if SF is the ONLY thing that gets nerfed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Dev Update

Shadow Form Balance Changes - 2 July 2008]We are not opposed to players using Shadow Form for farming, but it is not good for the game economy for high-end farming activities to become too easy or too efficient.

"too easy or too efficient"= Ursanway

Zydonis

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:52 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

No, as much as I hate it, I'm not going to be a part of it's nerfing.

I am part of the guild wars community and I do not approve this message.

The only message I approve of is:

"Please, stop nerfing shit ANET."

That's IT.

Talk about QQing. Nerfing keeps the game interesting. Makes you come up with new ways of doing things, which was an original concept of GuildWars. If you don't like it, QQ on maple story, or some other 3rd rate game.

/signed

Syco Masato

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:53 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I think we should nerf open letters.

QFT.
12chars.

Oh, and, this has been said before:
Perma SF was an easy to do, SOLO farm.
Ursan requires a whole TEAM, and even then it's surprising how many people can mess that up too.
Oh, and Ursan is shit without cons.

And someone, please close this thread. These "Open Letters containing QQ Regarding Nerf Candidate X to Anet" letters are really annoying.

hurdlebeast

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03 Jul 2008 at 02:58 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

SF and Ursan are two completely different things. One was an overly effective solo farming build, and the other is one part of an overly efficient team build that requires human players to co-operate to succeed.

If your main concern is finding a PuG in a high end area that doesn't want a specific build, then your solution doesn't solve anything. The next most efficient build will just take its place. If your main concern is that Ursan stagnates creative build making, then a duration nerf might be justified, so that Ursan becomes just one part of a player's skill bar, instead of the focus.

i fixed it

Ursan doesn't need fixed because it's a team build. It needs fixed because it's a class independent, single button uber leet build that doesn't require any real input on the user's part, and yet lets you steamroll through the hardest areas of the game. The only people that i actually respect on Ursanway teams are teh monks that heal. that's it. other than that, you could have a complete noob running the ursan build, and doing extremely well with it. ie, people get the elite weapons and drops that they shouldn't, and the economy (and those that actually worked very hard to get said drops/weaps) gets shafted.

That's my 2 cent's, now tell me to stop QQing about something that's so precious to you. I'm sorry if I like the game to be a little bit challenging, and keeping a point to the game after you go through the storyline.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:09 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I think we should nerf open letters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wikipedia

An open letter is a letter that is intended to be read by a wide audience, or a letter intended for an individual, but that is nonetheless widely distributed intentionally.

Where would you suggest some one make an open letter available for a wide audience to read? Seems like a website for GW would be the best place, if GW players are the intended audience, you think?

toastgodsupreme

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:13 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

The point of skill updates is to BALANCE the game. UB has been unbalanced since day 1, while multitudes of other skills and builds have been thrown into the wood chipper.

But it's not up to the community to cry and whine until they get their way (such as what happened).

If ANET wants to change a skill, for better or worse, let them. But for them to do it because of babies like you and people on this board nerf herding and crying "foul!"... well, I totally disapprove of that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zydonis

Talk about QQing. Nerfing keeps the game interesting. Makes you come up with new ways of doing things, which was an original concept of GuildWars. If you don't like it, QQ on maple story, or some other 3rd rate game.
/signed

LOL

Again... it's not up to the community to whine until it gets it's way. That shouldn't be why something gets nerfed, but sadly, often is.

I hated Ursan when I got back into playing GW. But I figured something out...

Either you're going to hate it, but do it because that's how you get elite areas done the fastest, or you get a guild who will go do those dungeons old school without Ursan.

That's it. There's no need to cry about it. NONE.

Kook~NBK~

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Natural Born Killaz

03 Jul 2008 at 03:17 - 16

/notsigned. There are more than enough threads petitioning for nerfing Ursan Blessing without adding another.

Miska Bow

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:19 - 17

You dont like it, dont use it. you ask Anet to see the logic of your post but there is no logic. Its just a well written QQ tread.

By the way there is a limitation on the Vanguard bonus. When dealing with Charr in Ascalon, this affects only those you get xp from (hard mode).

hurdlebeast

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:21 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

But it's not up to the community to cry and whine until they get their way (such as what happened).

If ANET wants to change a skill, for better or worse, let them. But for them to do it because of babies like you and people on this board nerf herding and crying "foul!"... well, I totally disapprove of that.

LOL

Again... it's not up to the community to whine until it gets it's way. That shouldn't be why something gets nerfed, but sadly, often is.

I hated Ursan when I got back into playing GW. But I figured something out...

Either you're going to hate it, but do it because that's how you get elite areas done the fastest, or you get a guild who will go do those dungeons old school without Ursan.

That's it. There's no need to cry about it. NONE.

yes there is. elite areas are supposed to be hard. not uber easy. and if people didn't let Anet know how they feel about aspects of the game, how in the world would they even keep up with it. comes down to it, Anet has a tough game to play. They have to keep things easy enough for the farmers so that they can get their "rare" items, (which, ironically, are getting less and less rare everyday), but hard enough so that everyone else can have a fun and challenging experience.

As it is right now, you are completely right. You either have to give in to ursan, or find some skilled guilds to roll with. But I totally agree with the OP, that it's time to change that and rebalance the game.

Edit: and I guess whenever someone brings up a problem in the game in a well-spoken, respectful manner, it's QQing if you don't agree with their ideas. Seriously people, I know that there are a bunch of whiners on the net. But that doesn't mean that you have to be one, to. The OP was not whining: those who are telling him to "stfu and quit QQing" are.

and yes, you can tell me to stop QQing about QQer's.

double edit: for the record, that last edit wasn't directed at you toast. It was directed at all the people that post short, two liners that don't really help any of the threads. You know, the "[insert skill here] is fine, you suck, quit QQing about it." ones.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:22 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

But it's not up to the community to cry and whine until they get their way (such as what happened).

If ANET wants to change a skill, for better or worse, let them. But for them to do it because of babies like you and people on this board nerf herding and crying "foul!"... well, I totally disapprove of that.

Then by your logic, SF should be un-nerfed, 55's should be able to solo UW again, and many other skills that got "fixed" because of "babies like me" should go back to their original state, gameplay and economy be damned, right?

Shayne Hawke

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:24 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I think we should nerf open letters.

QFT. It's like the new trend now, right?

@ OP: We all hate Ursan. You're not really saying/suggesting anything new.

HawkofStorms

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:35 - 21

/signed
@ the OP... the reccent "impartial" poll on this site showed UB was the least popular of all of a.net reccent design decesions... with less then 35% approval rating.

All the qqers insulting the OP are just confused because they aren't used to posts with good grammer and logical reasoning. 90% of guru users can only comprehend posts going along the lines of "OMGZ this is the SUX... change this A>NET please because its my 1st ammendment right to free speech!a@!"

Skye Marin

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:38 - 22

We need new board auto-censor options:

"Open Letter" --> Another QQ

"Ruin the game economy" --> Make my farms sell for less, and let folks who aren't me get stuff I've earned.

"Player Elitism" --> I want to join a PuG, but not a PuG that knows what it needs to beat an area efficiently.

"QFT" --> "That's what she said!"

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:42 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

QFT. It's like the new trend now, right?

@ OP: We all hate Ursan. You're not really saying/suggesting anything new.

Then let me ask something new.

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

If we hate gas prices rising, why do we continue to fill up our tanks? BECAUSE, for most of us, driving is a necessity.

GW is NOT a necessity. And before anyone tries the "quit playing then" argument, I say no, I will not quit playing, I paid for the product just as much as you did, and I have just as much right as anyone else to have my opinion be heard. Granted, my opinion falls in line with many other peoples', and has been stated before, NUMEROUS times. However, my intent is to let other players know that something CAN be done about this, as was proven with the SF nerf. It may not be the most noble way of addressing the problem (complaining till we get our way) but, its quick and apparently effective... just like Ursanway. Telling me, or anyone else that we can't voice our opinions and hope that they reach the right ears is hypocritical. Will everyone telling me to quit QQ-ing stop using UB? Probably not.

So to all of you who telling me to QQ: If you don't like it, don't read or respond to my posts. If you are adamant that UB be left alone, write your own open letter, because, trust me, I'm not the only one who noticed that ANET WILL listen if there are enough voices talking.

romeus petrus

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:45 - 24

/SF and Ursan are not relevant, one was used extensively as a solo farm build, and the other is used extensively in team builds which is exactly what it's intended to be.

/close

Rakim B

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:54 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

I agree with you entirely, but anet already knows about it and they said they are discussing it. I just hope they tell us when they come to a decision IF(I said if, not that I don't want it to be) they decide not to nerf it so people know to stop posting about it.

edit: I used ppl instead of people...I am a scrub

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 03:59 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeus petrus

/SF and Ursan are not relevant, one was used extensively as a solo farm build, and the other is used extensively in team builds which is exactly what it's intended to be.

/close

Ursan is also used as a team FARMING build. In the "elite" areas of the game (UW, FoW, DoA, etc.) Ursan teams run together to quickly, efficiently rack up loot, not because they ALL enjoy beating DoA again.

rick1027

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:06 - 27

well i hate to say your gonna get all the same answers as when there was a call for the nerfing of sh. the don't use it if you don't like it and etc, which in my opinion aren't real answers they should say don't touch something that i like instead .I personally don't use ursan and i don't like it and refuse to use it. i think if you nerf this you might as well nerf b/p just because it also made some areas easier i.e. tombs urgozs to name a few. so i'm gonna go with the /unsign we just need to find better players to play with in areas such as doa

Meat Axe

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:21 - 28

Well, all I have to say on this matter is this: On the one hand, I see your point. Ursan is a little bit overpowered, and does make the game easier. On the other hand, it introduces neutrality amongst to professions, so now anyone can do DoA or the other elite areas that groups used to only allow warriors, monks and elementalists in (I'm choosing to ignore the idiot PuGs that don't accept any Ursan that isn't a warrior. It was hilariously shocking when I first heard that some people actually have that attitude).

I play a ritualist. Although I've never been to DoA with her, I can guarantee that it would be more trouble than it's worth to try and find a non-ursan group that will actually accept me. So, although there are some definite downsides to Ursan, there is one, pretty big upside that makes me think it should stay. There is always a choice. As others have mentioned, you can always choose to run a different team build.

Maybe if it was nerfed it in such a way that it would be on par with some of the other team builds, so that people without a warrior, elementalist, or monk could still get in teams, but it would also mean that there is more incentive to run more creative builds again. I honestly don't know how that would work, though.

toastgodsupreme

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:24 - 29

Ursan sells EOTN.

SF does not sell Factions.

Why do you think it's been left as is for so long?

Regardless, this thread needs to go away. Along with all the other threads begging for nerfs for UB.

The devs even stated it was being watched. There's no point in this thread or the other "OMG LETS NERF UB".

It's like telling a taxi driver where to go when you and all the other passengers have already told him 20 times each. He's gonna get annoyed eventually.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:40 - 30

@ Meat Axe: I can understand where you come from. My main character is a mesmer... Not the most DoA friendly profession. However, My guild leader (a necro) and I have H/H'ed the whole thing. Yes, it was hard. Yes, it was time consuming. No, I'll probably never do it again. BUT, it can be done.

@ Toast:
1. With the coming update that makes the Hall of Monuments account based, ANET doesn't need Ursan to sell EotN.

2.For a thread you want closed, you sure are reading and replying a whole lot...

3. If my friends and I have told the taxi driver where to go 20 times each, AND already paid for the trip, but he's still reading the street guide and not driving yet, we have every right to continue complaining. And none of the "get another taxi" crap please, I don't want another taxi, I already PAID for this one.

Torabo

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:48 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

It's like telling a taxi driver where to go when you and all the other passengers have already told him 20 times each. He's gonna get annoyed eventually.

Nah, i'd say its more like complaining that you don't like certain dishes they bring out at a buffet.

Every customer is complaining about some dish in some way, all for different reasons.

It'd suck if the chef makes the dishes taste a certain way just because some customers scream the loudest.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 05:51 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torabo

Nah, i'd say its more like complaining that you don't like certain dishes they bring out at a buffet.

Every customer is complaining about some dish in some way, all for different reasons.

It'd suck if the chef makes the dishes taste a certain way just because some customers scream the loudest.

But if LOTS of customers are complaining about one specific dish, you either remove that dish, change the dish, or fire the chef.

Obviously, this is not a case where the chef needs to be fired, but something needs to be done about the food.

Kanyatta

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03 Jul 2008 at 06:02 - 33

While we're at this old news of everyone hating Ursan, did you guys hear!!! WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!

Torabo

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03 Jul 2008 at 06:04 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

But if LOTS of customers are complaining about one specific dish, you either remove that dish, change the dish, or fire the chef.

Obviously, this is not a case where the chef needs to be fired, but something needs to be done about the food.

Based on the number of A/E in ToA, and the number of people in game I actually see complain about SF.... where do you get the 'LOTS of customers'?

Unless you can manage to get a poll of all players in the game, there is no way to get a true statics of how many people want something.

The equivalent comparison in the example I gave would just be just as I said, those who scream the loudest, as those who enjoy the dishes are quietly enjoying the dishes. You do not determine if a dish is bad by the loudness of the complains, but rather by the number of people quietly enjoying said dish.

And to be frank, _my_ opinion on what the general consensus on the SF nerf is that, they don't even know about the SF farm to begin with. The majority of players (based on _my_ random pull-out-of-hat-opinion) don't bother checking on forums for the latest farming build, or to bother QQ'n about nerfs/buffs.

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 06:34 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torabo

Based on the number of A/E in ToA, and the number of people in game I actually see complain about SF.... where do you get the 'LOTS of customers'?

Unless you can manage to get a poll of all players in the game, there is no way to get a true statics of how many people want something.

The equivalent comparison in the example I gave would just be just as I said, those who scream the loudest, as those who enjoy the dishes are quietly enjoying the dishes. You do not determine if a dish is bad by the loudness of the complains, but rather by the number of people quietly enjoying said dish.

And to be frank, _my_ opinion on what the general consensus on the SF nerf is that, they don't even know about the SF farm to begin with. The majority of players (based on _my_ random pull-out-of-hat-opinion) don't bother checking on forums for the latest farming build, or to bother QQ'n about nerfs/buffs.

People weren't complaining about SF because it was SF, they were complaining because ecto prices dropped.

And regarding quietly enjoying your dish: if someone else is screaming about that dish, are you gonna just sit there and let them ruin your meal by getting the dish changed? I'm not. I will not sit back quietly and let my meal be ruined by the dish being horrible either. As I stated before, if you want Ursan left alone, I suggest that you start your own initiative to keep it. We saw today that ANET will listen to the players, regardless of the ACTUAL percentages of people complaining about SF.

Skye Marin

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03 Jul 2008 at 06:34 - 36

If you hate anchovies, you're wrong, because anchovies are awesome. :P

(See what I did there?)

Sin City Gamer

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03 Jul 2008 at 06:38 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

If you hate anchovies, you're wrong, because anchovies are awesome. :P

(See what I did there?)

That would have been clever, except this entire time I have avoided saying that anyone else was wrong. As a matter of fact, I have encouraged everyone that disagrees with me to pursue their agendas as well.

MirkoTeran

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03 Jul 2008 at 07:07 - 38

/signed as it needs to be nerfed. Hard.

Hyper.nl

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03 Jul 2008 at 07:37 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I think we should nerf open letters.

/Signed for truth

Kook~NBK~

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Natural Born Killaz

03 Jul 2008 at 07:39 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Then let me ask something new.

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

What forums are you reading??? Those of you who hate UB have been quite vocal about it on these forums and elsewhere about how it has "ruined the game," "destroyed the economy." etc. Those that love UB have been less vocal, but there has been a fair representation of their views as well. As for me, I'm apathetic. I can take it or leave it, which I do.