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because most GW players dont have 2+ hours to sit around trying to form a group that will successfully be able to beat a dungeon.
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AN Open Letter to ArenaNet Regarding Ursan Blessing
Kanyatta
Tyla
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Originally Posted by rohara
if you want to be rewarded for skillful play - play pvp. GW pve was designed to be friendly and fun for everyone. the popularity of ursan and other "easy button" skills should be proof enough of this. the vast majority of players don't want pve to be super hard. they want the game to be fun, not frustrating - and the high-level areas of the game can be quite frustrating unless you use some "easy button" builds.
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| i have never used ursan (except in the mission that requires it). i mainly play pve on my ele, and i have no trouble kicking the crap out of stuff without using ursan. not every class can do that though. i like the fact that ursan puts every class on an even playing field. how often do you see "GLF mesmer and assassin!"? never. |
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| 2) your group will probably want you to run a specific skillbar, especially if it is in an elite area. too stubborn to change or don't have the skills? le punt! |
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| those are just a few examples. with ursan, you can throw together a random group of players and still be strong. ursan is undeniably the best thing that ever happened to the pug, and all you have to do to get it is one little quest. |
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| however, the fact that you must have a high rank in the norn title to make it really good kinda sucks. i hate the title grind in EotN as much as the next person. i don't like it, but i accept it because it is clear that they are not going to change it - and everyone else could use to do the same and save themselves some frustration. |
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| anyways...quit QQing about ursan already, people. if you don't like it, don't use it. play with your guildies or h/h so you can do whatever the hell you want (i do!). ursan is no different than any other powerful skill in the game, and you are not gimped if you don't use it. |
Three things that it goes against in terms of game mechanics. The fact you are restricted from PuGs also goes against the DLDU argument itself. If you want to PuG, that argument doesn't apply at all because you can't.
Div
Game balance is shit, we know that.
Next.
Next.
MisterT69
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/SF and Ursan are not relevant, one was used extensively as a solo farm build, and the other is used extensively in team builds which is exactly what it's intended to be.
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jazilla
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if there are "SOME" players that don't like Ursan, then get thos, "SOME" players to join you in those areas that you say you can't get into w/out being Ursan. No one has to use a skill if they don't like it.
if there are "SOME" players that don't like Ursan, then get thos, "SOME" players to join you in those areas that you say you can't get into w/out being Ursan. No one has to use a skill if they don't like it.
Clarissa F
We had one of these...more than one, actually.
Use /search and rez a better thread.
Use /search and rez a better thread.
Kaida the Heartless
I heard a rumor that heroes and guildmates are cool for running what you want to run.
RotteN
Hooray, more open letters, just what this forum needs.
Apart from the fact that no one from Anet will actually read this, and the fact that they already stated they were looking into the issue, this thread was a great idea !
Keep up the good work !
btw, for people with the IQ for a brick wall : /sarcasm
Apart from the fact that no one from Anet will actually read this, and the fact that they already stated they were looking into the issue, this thread was a great idea !
Keep up the good work !
btw, for people with the IQ for a brick wall : /sarcasm
doudou_steve
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Three things that it goes against in terms of game mechanics. The fact you are restricted from PuGs also goes against the DLDU argument itself. If you want to PuG, that argument doesn't apply at all because you can't. |
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You know, i herdz there are GUILDS in GUILD WARS
Just so you know.
Freke
I love how everybody says it hurts the economy when paying more than 100k for an item is shit anyways.
Paying 100k for an item is shit, anyways.
Paying 100k for an item is shit, anyways.
Incandecree
One way to nerf it is to make it a spell instead of a skill. That would make going against mesmers a bit tougher. PowerBlock Ursan Strike and you are out of the fight for awhile. Also as it is a spell you can't hit things under Obs Flesh, SpellBreaker and Shadowform and in a small part Spell Shield. Since the activation time of Ursan Strike is 1 seconds it definitel becomes interrupt fodder.
That is one suggestion without changing Ursan much.
I myself rarely use Ursan. I have done it in a couple areas but mostly in FoW when I wasn't running a healer.
That is one suggestion without changing Ursan much.
I myself rarely use Ursan. I have done it in a couple areas but mostly in FoW when I wasn't running a healer.
JupiterStarWarrior
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I heard a rumor that heroes and guildmates are cool for running what you want to run.
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I heard that exact same rumor.
On a more serious level... I just don't know what to think anymore. I mean, the complaints about particular skills is just stupidly-crazy. Just because you think the game is ridiculously doesn't mean it is for the rest of us normal players. I mean, just because you're an Elite Gamer and can, somehow, run Fissure of Woe in less than an hour, or go into the Underworld by yourself and complete it in thirty minutes doesn't mean the rest of us can, and calling us "n00bs" or "idiots" or "<insert other derogatory word and/or phrase here>" is not helping your situation in the least. Oh, and let's not forget to mention the insults to the hard workers of the Guild Wars Projects. Yeah. I'm sure you can pull out a wonderful, high-quality product all by your little old self.
Now, personally, I don't care what they do. I'll adjust. What I'm saying is that the community, on a whole, needs to stop complaining about this and have faith in ArenaNet.
Seriously, the "Nerf-Ursan Debate" has gone on way, way, way, way too long.
Numa Pompilius
You know a big reason why I'd like to see Ursan nerfed?
I mean, yeah, it's imbal and stupid and boring and contrary to all that GW was supposed to be and all that, but a big reason is I'd just laugh myself silly over all the over-the-top drama, wrist-slitting, and crying that'll explode all over GWGuru if it's ever nerfed.
I mean, yeah, it's imbal and stupid and boring and contrary to all that GW was supposed to be and all that, but a big reason is I'd just laugh myself silly over all the over-the-top drama, wrist-slitting, and crying that'll explode all over GWGuru if it's ever nerfed.
MStarfire
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You know a big reason why I'd like to see Ursan nerfed?
I mean, yeah, it's imbal and stupid and boring and contrary to all that GW was supposed to be and all that, but a big reason is I'd just laugh myself silly over all the over-the-top drama, wrist-slitting, and crying that'll explode all over GWGuru if it's ever nerfed. |
OMG for sure. Can't wait.
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You do understand you're still completely restricted from a certain part of grouping? Guildies aren't open for coming with you 100% of the time.
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OMG for sure. Can't wait.
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*Hyped for nerf*
Sin City Gamer
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Hooray, more open letters, just what this forum needs.
Apart from the fact that no one from Anet will actually read this, and the fact that they already stated they were looking into the issue, this thread was a great idea ! Keep up the good work ! btw, for people with the IQ for a brick wall : /sarcasm |
Apart from the fact that I didn't intend for ANet to read this on these forums, and the fact that the actual letter was sent almost exactly one month ago and there still has been no further response from them in any public manner, that post makes complete sense!
Great job!
btw, for people without the sense to read a thread before posting on it : /gtfo
spyke136
how about all of you who dont want to use ursan and constantly QQ that you can't get into pugs, just get together and form a guild. then you can all play happily with others who also dont want to use ursan.
kthxbye
kthxbye
Tyla
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how about all of you who dont want to use ursan and constantly QQ that you can't get into pugs, just get together and form a guild. then you can all play happily with others who also dont want to use ursan.
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The least they could modify on it is the need to grind for it to be more effective, along with all other PvE skills. That eliminates one of the problems we have.
To finish off, I think you're just another ignoramus. The problem isn't participation at all, moreso that it goes against game design up to Nightfall. The topic isn't participation. It's the problems Ursan has created. Please. Read. Posts.
Scythe O F Glory
Alright this prally doesnt belong in this thread, but i dont care im bored and it's a good idea. I read one of the replies a while back and said a good way to nerf it would be to make it only usable in GW:EN. Whoever said this must have read my mind. this would work! but i thought of another way to nerf it. Make a totaly different mode... kinda like HM or NM, just Ursan Mode. you can only use ursan in this mode. and, just like HM, make the enemies EVEN HARDER! this way it will require some real skill (good monks, maybe upkeep some refrains idk) yes, i know, it's prally stupid, jsut somethin that came to my head while vanquishing. =P
Peace
Peace
Gregslot
You people really NEED to be more creative naming your topics.
Seriously....
Seriously....
Sin City Gamer
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You people really NEED to be more creative naming your topics.
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AN OPEN LETTER IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY SENT TO THE INTENDED READER, AND THEN RELEASED PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO READ.
I posted this here for any who care about Ursan (on either side of the issue I might add) to see and decide if they wanted to also send letters to ANet stating their positions. I did this because it works (see:Shadow Form and the ecto farming QQers) and because I hope that it would work for either viewpoint. If you like Ursan the way it is, send a letter stating as much. If you don't like Ursan, send a letter stating as much. Either way, if you DON'T let ANet know how you feel on the issue, you have no room to complain if they do/do not nerf it, because there are a lot of us who HAVE contacted ANet on the issue.
Those who care enough about an issue will do something about it.
Those who don't? Don't cry when something gets done about it and you don't like the outcome.
The Little Viking
Now I am not a a fan of Ursans myself, but the fact that i personally dont use it has yet to keep me (SS Necro) from not being accepted into a group. I may be an exception to the rule, but what can i say...just lucky I guess. But lets not start segrigating skills to certain areas. thats just dumb. If the developers were going to do something like that, it would have be implamented in the beginning of title skills. Lets just leave well enough alone. Im so tired of people wining and crying about Ursans. if you dont use it and cant get in a group, then how about trying to use it..If you dont have access to it, try being an asset to the rest of the team that is using it. But most of all get over the fast that its here to stay, like it or not.
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But most of all get over the fast that its here to stay, like it or not.
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As for Ursan, once again the problem isn't participation.
Tender Wolf
Oh boy...I've seen about 10 Ursan threads in the past five minutes. 
I'll say it again, Ursan is fine the way it is. Not everyone likes HM but in order to get titles (or money and experience from vanquishing) they are forced to go into HM. Ursan is the only way they can successfully vanquish or become a guardian, and even then an entire Ursan group can get their butts handed to them on a silver platter. I've seen it happen.
So for any future updates, I'm hoping for the HOM update that will allow us to add Tormented weapons (since I just spent a bundle on one) and have account-wide titles. Leave Ursan alone. If you don't like it, then don't use it. I couldn't care less about the economy, it's been butchered for a long time as it is.
I'll say it again, Ursan is fine the way it is. Not everyone likes HM but in order to get titles (or money and experience from vanquishing) they are forced to go into HM. Ursan is the only way they can successfully vanquish or become a guardian, and even then an entire Ursan group can get their butts handed to them on a silver platter. I've seen it happen.
So for any future updates, I'm hoping for the HOM update that will allow us to add Tormented weapons (since I just spent a bundle on one) and have account-wide titles. Leave Ursan alone. If you don't like it, then don't use it. I couldn't care less about the economy, it's been butchered for a long time as it is.
FlamingMetroid
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Oh boy...I've seen about 10 Ursan threads in the past five minutes.
I'll say it again, Ursan is fine the way it is. Not everyone likes HM but in order to get titles (or money and experience from vanquishing) they are forced to go into HM. Ursan is the only way they can successfully vanquish or become a guardian, and even then an entire Ursan group can get their butts handed to them on a silver platter. I've seen it happen. So for any future updates, I'm hoping for the HOM update that will allow us to add Tormented weapons (since I just spent a bundle on one) and have account-wide titles. Leave Ursan alone. If you don't like it, then don't use it. I couldn't care less about the economy, it's been butchered for a long time as it is. |
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I don't want bad players to be considered equal to me title-wise or any other way. If they cant complete something without cheating (Ursan) then they don't deserve it.
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Wow. 2" of limp e-peen trying to look like 12" of steel
Tyla
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Hey another DLDU argument. If people aren't going to stretch to completing Hard Mode properly then they don't deserve the reward. I've already listed the reasons why Ursan should be killed. (And if someone brings up the issue in participation, read the friggin' thread before you post that shit)
In terms of participation, DLDU doesn't apply anyway. Why? PuGs want max ranked Ursans, barely anyone does anything but Ursan PuG-wise, guildies, allianceys and friends aren't always open.
Oh, and this thread has been around for a month.
Hey another DLDU argument. If people aren't going to stretch to completing Hard Mode properly then they don't deserve the reward. I've already listed the reasons why Ursan should be killed. (And if someone brings up the issue in participation, read the friggin' thread before you post that shit)
In terms of participation, DLDU doesn't apply anyway. Why? PuGs want max ranked Ursans, barely anyone does anything but Ursan PuG-wise, guildies, allianceys and friends aren't always open.
Oh, and this thread has been around for a month.
Tender Wolf
Players who prefer to use Ursan deserve titles just as much as anyone who doesn't. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.
FlamingMetroid
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Wow. 2" of limp e-peen trying to look like 12" of steel
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Players who are too bad at the game to use normal skills deserve titles just as much as anyone who is good at the game and earned their titles by not using cheap imbalanced PvE only skills. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.
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Tyla
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Players who prefer to use Ursan deserve titles just as much as anyone who doesn't. It's still grinding and worth the reward. Sorry if it lowers your ego, but that's the way it is and the way it should be.
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So you like bad players being able to do things you can, after hours of playing and learning, with not even half the effort? Its not e-peen, trust me, I've hardly done anything title-wise, I just don't like bad players being able to do it easier.
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You want your accomplishments to mean something, then accomplish something in real life, not in a virtual fantasy world .
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Yes I do, GW is a game people play for enjoyment, their enjoyment not yours, and as such they should be able to enjoy it any way they can even if it contradicts your views on fun.
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If I accomplish anything, anywhere I want it to mean something even if its 1's and 0's in a computer. If I put work into getting good at something, and someone else just happens to be better than me at it, that's fine. But if someone uses an unfair advantage to do that, then it devalues my time and isn't fair to me or anyone else who put in their time. I consider my time valuable, if you don't then that's your issue.
CronkTheImpaler
lol this is funny stuff, Ursan is no different IMO then SF farm. Just like 8 sf farmers rampaging around UW lol. As for my opinion i love ursan, i think its a hoot runnin around demolishing everything. nothin gets a grin from me then a whole gaggle of ursans marauding across the lands!!!!!!!! come on guys, just let the nerf bat hit what it hits. when the dust settles then come back and QQ. jeez louise man. the next update will probably nerf it anyways!!!
then which skill ya gonna attack???? i dont know healing breeze is awfully powerful!! hmmmmmmmm someone look into healing sig will ya?
Cronk
then which skill ya gonna attack???? i dont know healing breeze is awfully powerful!! hmmmmmmmm someone look into healing sig will ya?
Cronk
Freke
I cant believe you people walk around pissing your pants that somebody else is doing what youre doing easier.
If you want it to be easier, use ursan too, if you want to have a challenge, do so your way or whatever.
Who gives a shit, honestly. Titles dont mean anything but e-peen and HoM, and 90% of the people that care fall into the e-peen category.
Just like somebody posted to me yesterday when I bashed farming: some people actually enjoy the game when it's easier and some people enjoy using ursan in hard mode. Deal with it, just because its not your style of play doesn't mean it shouldn't be anybody elses either.
If you want it to be easier, use ursan too, if you want to have a challenge, do so your way or whatever.
Who gives a shit, honestly. Titles dont mean anything but e-peen and HoM, and 90% of the people that care fall into the e-peen category.
Just like somebody posted to me yesterday when I bashed farming: some people actually enjoy the game when it's easier and some people enjoy using ursan in hard mode. Deal with it, just because its not your style of play doesn't mean it shouldn't be anybody elses either.
Tyla
I have a request. Can we stop the DLDU arguments or the "You want it nerfed because of titles" shit please?
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I have a request. Can we stop the DLDU arguments or the "You want it nerfed because of titles" shit please?
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DLDU. that simple. and like i said before, why dont all the ursan haters who constantly post in these threads just pm each other and play together. it's that simple. there's more than enough of you in here to fill up a guild, get together and play the way you want to.
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why? because you dont have a good excuse for it? other people's titles have no bearing on you.
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1. Skill bars. It completely gets rid of one of the aspects of this game.
2. Powered on grind. The least they can do is make it not powered on grind, and either way grind was against the original view of Arena Net. GW:EN just made it 5 times worse.
3. Doesn't reward skillful play, and you can simply mash your bar with good results.
Again, the "Don't like it don't use it" argument simply avoids the problem, but PuGging? That argument doesn't apply because without Ursan you can't PuG. It's as simple as that. Also, put it this way. Not using the best options means you are gimping yourself. I abuse Imbagons. It still needs to be nerfed becasue it's the most overpowered defensive system in the game, and by a longshot. I guess just because I don't like it I shouldn't use it?
As for players, people are not on and ready for you all the time. Sometimes you need to PuG for certain areas of the game.
Until you find a valid argument against the above, get out because you offer nothing but the same "DLDU", "It's becasue of titles" crap. DLDU has nothing to do with either of the points, and titles are meaningless in the first place, filling the thread with the same shit over and over again without any argument against the other three things. It adds nothing.
Skill balance is one thing, but it isn't nearly as bad as the above.
dragonx1013
As far as the subject is concerned I am not signed. The economy did suffer but the UB gives people who like to work solo (as in alone, no solo builds) closer access to areas of the game that people used. To use ANOTHER analogy, the rich get rich off an idea. A poor man finds a way to do the rich mans work, and sweat less doing it. hence, the rich man has to work hard and find something else. Should the poor man be penalized? That is basically what you are saying when you (as in any gamer) refer to the "drop of price" in any item. It dropped because everyone else found a way to get them.
Besides, I have seen this topic posted everywhere, a lot on this forum alone! If you read the articles, ANet is looking into changing the skill. I would past the articles, but that involves me getting them, and they have been pasted so much that you can find it virtually anywhere. Yes the community did uproar about UB being powerful (hence ANet looking into it) however, I honestly think that most (NOT YOU) people who complained made a "guild wars" life off of selling ectos and are now complaining cause everyone else can get ectos and they have to find more to do.
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Besides, I have seen this topic posted everywhere, a lot on this forum alone! If you read the articles, ANet is looking into changing the skill. I would past the articles, but that involves me getting them, and they have been pasted so much that you can find it virtually anywhere. Yes the community did uproar about UB being powerful (hence ANet looking into it) however, I honestly think that most (NOT YOU) people who complained made a "guild wars" life off of selling ectos and are now complaining cause everyone else can get ectos and they have to find more to do.
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