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daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

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21 Oct 2008 at 06:43 - 241

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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono

hell yea i've scammed. i didnt pay for about 90% of my runs and i've saved hundreds and hundreds. i'm damn proud of it too. I've tried like selilng scams with the shadow step thing and i've succeded about 4 times. i love scamming people, it's so fun and gets me pumped! I actually scam about once or twice a day, not paying for runs, etc

Best sort of scam thing but wasn't really a scam, i was buying 25 ectos but the guy put up 250 by accident so i got 250 ectos for like 80k lol. if you guys seriuosly were about to get 225 free ectos, you're full of shit if you say you would tell the guy.

obvious troll attempt.

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

ANONYMITY+INTERNET=ASSHOLE

that is such a true equation. It should be Newtons Law... Or Al Gore Law since he invented the internet.

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Sure. You won't rob a bank or embezzle in real life. There are actual consequences for that in the real world.

So the only reason not to screw somebody over is because of consequences? Jesus christ well that really sucks to see people who dont have any decency enough to show a bit of integrity or compassion towards anybody else. And these losers are forced to rely on the governing of an outside force to deter them from performing immoral acts.
If there were no consequences, how far would you go?? Petty theft? robbery? grand larceny? Murder? Where is the line drawn?

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

However, I would bet dollars to donuts that you wouldn't hesitate in taking money out of a wallet you found laying on the street. I would expect that you wouldn't hesitate in keeping the extra $5 that the cashier accidentally gave to you but you noticed...

You would lose that bet sir. because there are some people out there who believe in the golden rule. Treat others how you want to be treated. Not everybody on this planet are immoral pricks. (although there are a lot of them)

Fril Estelin

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Join Date: Jan 2007

London

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21 Oct 2008 at 07:19 - 242

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Originally Posted by daze

Or Al Gore Law since he invented the internet.

You surely mean "Sir Tim Berners-Lee law" for the web or "Cerf, Dalal and Sunshine law" for TCP/IP. Al Gore had nothing to do with that...

daze

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21 Oct 2008 at 07:31 - 243

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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono

nah that correction was wrong actually, im a huge ass in guild wars but in real life i'm really nice most of the time. i havent scammed anyone in real life YET. its just that i dont care about people in guild wars, in real life i'm forced to.

lol that post just confirmed that you are an ass in GW and in RL.

i have never scammed someone in RL and there is no YET i never plan on it.

I am not forced to care about people in RL but i do. Its a thing called decency. Give it a try

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

You surely mean "Sir Tim Berners-Lee law" for the web or "Cerf, Dalal and Sunshine law" for TCP/IP. Al Gore had nothing to do with that...

Nice job there! You just casted a nerd spike and killed the sarcasm.
Res pls

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

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Singapore Armed Forces

21 Oct 2008 at 12:51 - 244

If you're going to debate the ethics of scamming precious Internet money, keep it civil.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

22 Oct 2008 at 19:52 - 245

Just happened to see an interesting news story linked from snopes.com (Their daily news link - not one of the Urban legends they check out)

Oct 21, 1:09 PM (ET)

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch court has convicted two youths of theft for stealing virtual items in a computer game and sentenced them to community service.

Only a handful of such cases have been heard in the world, and they have reached varying conclusions about the legal status of "virtual goods."

The Leeuwarden District Court says the culprits, 15 and 14 years old, coerced a 13-year-old boy into transferring a "virtual amulet and a virtual mask" from the online adventure game RuneScape to their game accounts.

"These virtual goods are goods (under Dutch law), so this is theft," the court said Tuesday in a summary of its ruling.

Identities of the minors were not released.

The 15-year-old was sentenced to 200 hours service, and the 14-year-old to 160 hours.

fusa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

22 Oct 2008 at 20:26 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Just happened to see an interesting news story linked from snopes.com (Their daily news link - not one of the Urban legends they check out)

Oct 21, 1:09 PM (ET)

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch court has convicted two youths of theft for stealing virtual items in a computer game and sentenced them to community service.

Only a handful of such cases have been heard in the world, and they have reached varying conclusions about the legal status of "virtual goods."

The Leeuwarden District Court says the culprits, 15 and 14 years old, coerced a 13-year-old boy into transferring a "virtual amulet and a virtual mask" from the online adventure game RuneScape to their game accounts.

"These virtual goods are goods (under Dutch law), so this is theft," the court said Tuesday in a summary of its ruling.

Identities of the minors were not released.

The 15-year-old was sentenced to 200 hours service, and the 14-year-old to 160 hours.

Unfortunately that news story being reported in the United States is leaving out the full story. http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=nl&tl=en The 2 teenagers also kidnapped and threatened the younger child with a large knife. 200 hours community service and 2 months of suspended detention is a pretty light sentence for what adults would be doing several years for.

assassin shaun

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

England

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23 Oct 2008 at 12:14 - 247

no i have never ever scammed and i never will

Lucia

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29 Oct 2008 at 15:00 - 248

A couple of days ago I got a chance to scam someone. I sold him something and he accidentally offered more ectos than we agreed on. I pointed this to him and he changed his offer.

It's not that difficult not to scam, all that is required is that you not be a piece of shit.

WrathAttack

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02 Nov 2008 at 23:13 - 249

i never been scammed....ive done the opposite role. I felt bad though, but that was in the noob days when i made scraps from ettin farming lawl

Voodoo Rage

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Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

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02 Nov 2008 at 23:18 - 250

I got scammed on like the stupidest thing ever; the 400g run to the consulate docks. What a petty thing to sell your integrity over...

superss2

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

03 Nov 2008 at 02:18 - 251

some people dont seem to know what scamming is... buyign something low and selling it high isnt scamming >.>

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 04:58 - 252

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

I got scammed on like the stupidest thing ever; the 400g run to the consulate docks. What a petty thing to sell your integrity over...

I did too a long time ago.. but it was 500 gold. Usually i don't pay up front for anything but i made the mistake of thinking "Gee he cant be a scammer because 500g is such a tiny gain." but as soon as i paid him he disappeared and jumped back to scamadan and continued spamming "ferrying to docks 500g each"

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

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03 Nov 2008 at 05:08 - 253

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Originally Posted by daze

obvious troll attempt.

Why is it an obvious troll attempt?

Some of us are rather proud of our scams / exploits.

daze

Jungle Guide

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03 Nov 2008 at 05:14 - 254

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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

Why is it an obvious troll attempt?

Some of us are rather proud of our scams / exploits.

I guess u r right. I forget about the fact that there are immature people who will brag about taking advantage of a trusting person. Its people like this that makes the world a crappy place to live in. Its people like this that had me buy surveillance cameras for my house. Its people like this that have me shredding my mail when im through with it in order to prevent identity theft. Its people like this that had me go get a concealed weapon permit. But you are right, there are people that feel better when they get over on somebody. Then feel even better when they brag about it. I dont understand it but i accept it. It just sucks tough that mentality is even out there. People just don't know how to keep their hands in their own plate.

"last week i punched a baby in the face and took away his lollipop. Im awesome huh?"

Lyynyyrd

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03 Nov 2008 at 05:30 - 255

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Originally Posted by daze

I guess u r right. I forget about the fact that there are immature people who will brag about taking advantage of a trusting person. Its people like this that makes the world a crappy place to live in. Its people like this that had me buy surveillance cameras for my house. Its people like this that have me shredding my mail when im through with it in order to prevent identity theft. Its people like this that had me go get a concealed weapon permit. But you are right, there are people that feel better when they get over on somebody. Then feel even better when they brag about it. I dont understand it but i accept it. It just sucks tough that mentality is even out there. People just don't know how to keep their hands in their own plate.

"last week i punched a baby in the face and took away his lollipop. Im awesome huh?"

TL;DR I guess there are people who have realized that people are inherently evil and have accepted it and have decided to live in a natural state.

Go read some Thomas Hobbes. He owns.

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 05:45 - 256

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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

TL;DR I guess there are people who have realized that people are inherently evil and have accepted it and have decided to live in a natural state.

Go read some Thomas Hobbes. He owns.

Believe me, i am well aware of the scum that exists in the world. I used to be right in the middle of it. Ill refrain from sharing my story because a lot of it is hard for most people to believe, but up until recently i dealt with scummy people on a daily basis.

Lyynyyrd

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03 Nov 2008 at 05:50 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by daze

Believe me, i am well aware of the scum that exists in the world. I used to be right in the middle of it. Ill refrain from sharing my story because a lot of it is hard for most people to believe, but up until recently i dealt with scummy people on a daily basis.

Well... It's the Internet, so nobody really cares. At least you've, at one point in your life, understood the chaos that is humanity. Hopefully you'll be able to be a good little human once again.

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:00 - 258

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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

Well... It's the Internet, so nobody really cares. At least you've, at one point in your life, understood the chaos that is humanity. Hopefully you'll be able to be a good little human once again.

Ive always been a good human. even when i was dealing with trash. (thats why i was so good at what i did) I was the only person in my "field" to conduct my business with integrity so i was pissing off the trash by taking all their business.

But you are right, that's why i refrained from telling my story. Nobody cares about a specific persons own life as much as that specific person. Thats just basic psychology: A mans favorite sound is his own name. People like to talk about themselves rather than other people. That is primal. But allow me to stop before we get waay off on a tangent. Bottom line is there is garbage in the world and all we can do is protect ourselves against those kind of people.
IE: Dont be so gullible. Thats why scammers get away with screwing over 12 year olds on GW, because a 12 year old hasn't learned that harsh lesson yet.

Jae Onasi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Lost Haven

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:11 - 259

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Originally Posted by Riken, Scammer Walking Amongst Mere Mortals

hell yea i've scammed. i didnt pay for about 90% of my runs and i've saved hundreds and hundreds.

Wow! That's, like, thousands of gold pixels you've saved!! I'll have to do at least 3 or 4 extra raptor runs to make up for the gold pixels I've been missing out on from scamming in order to keep up with you!

Amnel Ithtirsol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AU

League Of The Fallen

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:22 - 260

lol Daze, awesome dude. How was that lollipop btw?

OT: No, I've never scammed.

Partly on topic... I wish there was a better way of dealing with scammers in this game. Yes, I know it's been said a million times, but surely there has to be a way for us to punish the scammers?? ? man can split the atom but we cannot find a viable solution for something like this? I will never believe that, sorry.

Last night in UW a guy leeched the entire run and blatantly refused to do his part of the quests. He was such an a$$h0le he even laughed in our faces when we confronted him about it. What to do? Cant report him for leeching. Report him for botting? mmm... dunno. Spam his name for half an hour in ToA. He'll still laugh it off and find the next grp to scam when you're tired of it.

A friend of mine came up with an idea for an independent website where scammers and leechers can be listed. Obviously this kind of thing could be abused so there will be huge amounts of admin involved to try and keep it fair - which is not really worth it in the end.

Anyway, my 2c...

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:24 - 261

But even I have my morality line in the sand, so to speak. For instance, If i was walking behind a person and they dropped a thousand bucks, id let that person know.

But on the other hand, if i walked by an ATM and all of a sudden it spit out a thousand bucks, id put it straight in my pocket.

I dont have a problem with taking advantage of a cooperation because it doesnt directly impact a person just trying to live like i am. That is where i may calculate the chance of getting caught and the consequence with the reward.

So i am definitely not righteous in the least bit.

Lyynyyrd

Banned

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:30 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by daze

Thats why scammers get away with screwing over 12 year olds on GW, because a 12 year old hasn't learned that harsh lesson yet.

So basically we are teaching them 12 year olds a valuable life lesson in return for something they probably failed grade 7 to obtain.

SOUNDS LIKE A WIN-WIN?

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:46 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

So basically we are teaching them 12 year olds a valuable life lesson in return for something they probably failed grade 7 to obtain.

SOUNDS LIKE A WIN-WIN?

Just sounds like a poor excuse to screw someone over to me because it is full of speculations and "probablys"
That kind of life lesson usually needs a harsher penalty than a few missing virtual gold. It took me losing all my worldly belongings to begin my lesson in not trusting people. Even after that i still wanted to give people the benefit of the doubt. But now I automatically assume EVERYBODY is trying to get over on me.

As long as you have the absence or looseness of your morals to take advantage of the naivety of a person to begin with. Me, i still think its sad.

Lyynyyrd

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:54 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by daze

Just sounds like a poor excuse to screw someone over to me because it is full of speculations and "probablys"
That kind of life lesson usually needs a harsher penalty than a few missing virtual gold. It took me losing all my worldly belongings to begin my lesson in not trusting people. Even after that i still wanted to give people the benefit of the doubt. But now I automatically assume EVERYBODY is trying to get over on me.

As long as you have the absence or looseness of your morals to take advantage of the naivety of a person to begin with. Me, i still think its sad.

Twelve year olds don't have much in their lives to lose - so losing GWG is quite a blow to them. It's all proportionate.

Faer

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03 Nov 2008 at 06:59 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by daze

That is where i may calculate the chance of getting caught and the consequence with the reward.

ATMs generally have cameras in them or near them. The person doesn't have eyes in the back of their head.

METHINKS YOU BE STEALIN' THE WRONG MONEY, SIR.

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 07:04 - 266

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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

Twelve year olds don't have much in their lives to lose - so losing GWG is quite a blow to them. It's all proportionate.

I guess... But its still a speculation. Just because there is no certainty that the person you are taking advantage of will automatically become aware of the scum of the earth. Like my mother for example, she is the most gullible person on earth. Because she is a christian and she will trust any stranger because "that is what Jesus would do". I have been knocking out her "new boyfriends" for years because they all end up taking advantage of her kindness. And will she ever learn that life lesson? Probably not. Its sad but some people are just like that, Too nice and naive about the real world. (probably your favorite kind of target)

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Originally Posted by Faer

ATMs generally have cameras in them or near them. The person doesn't have eyes in the back of their head.

METHINKS YOU BE STEALIN' THE WRONG MONEY, SIR.

Yes but if an ATM spit a thousand bucks on the ground, one could easily cover their face.

Even though the individual didnt see that he dropped the money, it could have been his last bit of cash needed to keep a roof over his head.

Its not a point of pure consequences or chance of success. Morality takes precedence. And my personal morals cover causing harm or distress on an individual.

Azza

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Australia

United Farmers of Europe[FOE]

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03 Nov 2008 at 07:14 - 267

Put it this way,

i heard a commercial saying, "You wouldnt steal a car, You wouldnt Steal a T.V, You wouldnt Steal a DvD, Pirating is stealing"

well True i wouldnt Steal a car, but if someone said, hey Aaron i just bought this Porsche, "Would you like me to Pirate you copy", I'd have no problem with that.

scamming is like pirating, if u got someone who CAN do it, they will.

and I'll admit i scammed many mini pets to fill up my HoM thing, oh and i swapped a crappy skinned.modded scythe for a UNCUSTOMISED caster modded destroyer spear, all because i said to the guy, its a really rare skin.....Got a Victim, u got a scammer.

daze

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03 Nov 2008 at 07:22 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azza

Put it this way,

i heard a commercial saying, "You wouldnt steal a car, You wouldnt Steal a T.V, You wouldnt Steal a DvD, Pirating is stealing"

well True i wouldnt Steal a car, but if someone said, hey Aaron i just bought this Porsche, "Would you like me to Pirate you copy", I'd have no problem with that.

scamming is like pirating, if u got someone who CAN do it, they will.

and I'll admit i scammed many mini pets to fill up my HoM thing, oh and i swapped a crappy skinned.modded scythe for a UNCUSTOMISED caster modded destroyer spear, all because i said to the guy, its a really rare skin.....Got a Victim, u got a scammer.

Well then call me Jack Sparrow, because GW is probably the only software on my PC that isnt pirated, and that is only because i havent found a way yet.

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

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03 Nov 2008 at 15:42 - 269

You could do something like Ebay, where people can post positive and negative feedback about you (and you can reply to the negative if you want). Obviously if a scammer had a whole bunch of "don't take runs from this guy, he's a scammer" (followed by the inevitable, "No I didn't!"); a clear picture of the type of player that guy was would eventually form.

acerbity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

03 Nov 2008 at 16:14 - 270

no, i'm not a complete twat