Just why is GW Community so Rude?

Your confusing observation of behavior with actually taking part in said behavior and making gross generalizations as to why many object to this just invalidates your opinion.

It's up to the player to dictate their individual behavior, age regardless, not the adult or more mature player's response.

People with strong personalities who are secure and have sex ten times a day are in many cases as effected by "rude" in-game behaviour as anyone else and one does not have to take part in such "arguments" for it to effect their game.

I do agree that ignoring it certainly helps but often the basis and creation of a good MMO community is, in great part, due to the fact many speak out against such behavior as opposed to letting it continue unchecked.

In many ways ignoring is condoning.

^^^ Besides, if you're sunk to the nuts 24/7 I don't think you're gonna be spending much time on an MMO forum.

You're wrong, end of discussion for me, even if you think you're not wrong and I'm wrong, I don't care because I know I'm right and you're wrong.
Is this too confusing for you or do you now get the picture? If you think you're right, and you're fighting with a kid in game on a MMORPG, keep your opinion to yourself, come out a bigger man and stop looking for arguements with teenagers, if you truly believe you are right and it's nothing you could clearly gain advantage of(a fight on a online game over some RA match or a PvE mission) then don't even bother retaliating back since it's pointless. Follow my example, "I know I'm right and you're wrong and you think I'm wrong and you're right."Okay, so move on, if we're talking about real life situations where money or something important is involved then by no means ignore the person and fight for what's right, but if it's some wammo giving you grief, then just ignore it.

Except this is not how real life works, Age has a big impact on how people
think. I don't know if you have kids or ever dealt with kids, but considering their short life and often being supported by their parents or having other people do everything for them, they tend to be less mature and less aware of real life then adults.


There's this thing called stress, sometimes, it affects people's emotions and judgement. A good way to feel stress free is by feeling secure and good about ourselves and sex is one of the best and healthiest ways to relief stress. There's a reason why psychiatrists always ask a married couple who's having difficulties about their sex life, they aren't curious pervets, it's a very important part of a Humans well being.


Ofcourse not, only Anet Moderators (which pratically don't exist since they actually don't really do anything besides ban people's accounts for no reason or ask for 3 year old receipts of a 19.99$ game) can take action in this.
People in the same position as the other one, if they try to tell other people what's right and that their wrong, in game or in a online forum, nothing but flames will happen, so no, this is not possible, one of the main reasons there is so much verbal hate in GW is because there are no in-game mods to prevent this and punish these actions and most people who are verbal abused don't have the patience to go through all the democracy it takes to report in GW, in a game like WoW for example, you tell a in-game mod, he checks out the ingame chat between the two players and comes to a conclusion, in Guild Wars you have to go to PlayNC, take screenshots, email them, wait 3 days for a response, and then only then, the mod will make a decision, it's just too much trouble most people don't want to bother to go through.


And you honestly think that you, a person behind a RPG character who the 15 year old you are talking to has never met before and already thinks he is better then you are and is right anyway,can change that kids mentallity? Do you even know how teenagers work? Honestly, how old are you yourself? Because anyone who has kids or has worked with kids before, sees this as a failed battle, to reach a troubled teenager you have to be very carefully in the way you approach the situation, you have to analyse the kids emotions through body language and the way he talks, you can't see any of this behind a computer screen, it's a failed battle 99% of the time. But please, keep it up if you think it works.




PS: In case you didn't notice our last 2 posts were deleted by a mod, so I have no intention in discussing anything with you and am now going to apply the first rule I posted.

If anyone thinks that this community is bad, go to the CAL forums for any game.

GW community is so rude because no one likes having their time wasted. Being nice to bad players and taking them into parties will inevitably result in a whole whackload of wasted time and frustrating experiences of failure caused by them for stupid reasons. This is compounded by the fact that sometimes it is only well-into a time investment of waiting for a party to be formed, and then fairly deep into a mission, that one realizes a bad player(s) has hijacked the party and is causing/will cause failure and mass amounts of wasted time.

I would seriously, sincerely hope that most kids would be able to find many more entertaining, enjoyable, and healthy things to do than sit and play games all night after homework

The majority of gamers are in the 20-30 category because we grew up along side the gaming industry, we've gone through being kids and playing outside, and doing sports, and are in the between area of having to take care of kids, etc. Obviously I'm making a sweeping statement here, but I imagine most players in that age category have less to actually 'do' than kids of 14. Kids of 14 should be doing after school activities like football, or reading clubs or things that actually help them learn and grow. If they're not, and they're playing games all night then their parents want pulled aside and talking to.

To say a person of 30 years old shouldn't have as much free time as a 14 year is quite silly in this day and age. It's not that hard to manage a house and bills after you get home from work...it's kinda like homework for adults. And you have to realize, more people these days stay single into their 30s. They don't want to be tied down with kids, etc, so that their free time is not their own. They want to keep independant for as long as possible (certainly this is the trend in Europe anyway)

The world is shifting. We don't have to reach 20 these days and start planning for pensions, kids, and retirement. Most of us want to prolong our 'childhood' well into adulthood. And some of us are using the opportunity to play games now...because when we were younger we had better things to do - like go outside and play games there

And just to point out...it's not just kids who are rude and offensive online. More often than not I find the most obnoxious people to be older people who believe they 'know it all' and use verbally abusing people to feel better about themselves and their lives. Kids don't hold the monopoly on being idiots

While I really don't agree with you cutting half of my post and words in that sentence then quoting it, I feel obliged to reply that what I meant with that statement is that yes, kids these days, and this problem grows larger everyday, are leaving physical and extra-curricular activities to lead a more sedentary life playing video games, watching TV or browsing the net. This unfortunatly, and I'm sorry people, but it's the hard truth, is more often the parents fault, it's easier to buy the kid a videogame then to take him to soccer practise 3 days a week, it's easier to let the kid watch TV then play a educational game with them or pay for some piano lessons and it is of human nature to always take the easier route. I myself remember a childhood friend who I went to school with who his father was very entusiastic about video gaming, since it was a new thing back then (when the first consoles came out, I'm talking 8 bit ones, really simple stuff), he would buy a lot of games for himself, and ofcourse, their father-son moments were almost all spent in front of a TV, result, this kid by the age of 12 became quite fat for his age and lived a very unhealthy life, well, I haven't seen him in probably 10 years but I doubt he has changed much, keeping in mind that this is also very uncommon in my home country Portugal, where we are very famous for our football players, healthy mediterrenean cuisine and lifestyle. Still, it just shows that this isn't just a "American" thing, it's everywhere now, Europeans, specially the English, German and Dutch (cold weather country's who really have no entertainment for kids aged 14-18), it's pretty terrible, between standing in the snow or rain it's obvious that most kids these days choose the comfort and luxurys that most of us didn't have while growing up.

I don't know what country you are in Europe, but I've lived and worked in Portugal, Holland and England, and certanly that was not the case, specially in England where teenage pregnancy rates are so high, I wouldn't say it's a trend to stay single until you're 30 here and I really don't know many people in their 30s who are still single, but hey, lucky them if they are in my honest opinion.



Edit: Another thing I'd like to point out in your post, you make it sound as if the educational system these days is very demanding on kids, it's now easier then ever, they don't have it like we did, there isn't much homework to be assigned, the tests keep being brought down to raise test scores instead of pupils being pushed harder (this would be the correct way of doing it in my opinion), so no, the average adult with a good job, I'm talking ofcourse about physicians, solicitors, police officers, Engineers, architects, company officers... between their career and family, there is not much free time to go around, ofcourse if you're single and your job isn't too demanding, then yes, you might have as much free time as a 14 year old kid would.

Personally, I think it is mostly kids being rude. I have figured that a lot of kids who have this game don't like, and it wasn't what they wanted to begin with. Their parents probably made them get it because of lack of a monthly fee or lack of having to pay for a console.

Consquently, these kids think the game is "gay," and spend most of their time whining and insulting and scamming and spamming and just generally being a pain.

I think a lot of the kids who get this game want something with a lot of action like Halo 3 or Crysis, but their parents won't shell out the bucks. They decide to play Random Arenas, but they get their ass kicked. Then they blame other people or just be mean to them for sport, since they don't like the game anyway.

Then, they find out they need to unlock runes and weapon mods and skills and such, so they have to play the PvE which is "mega-gay." That's why you always get these non-participants in PUGs, or morons who just purposely go away from the group and screw around.

In the end, you get people who will just spend all their time griefing and trying to scam people just because they hate the game, and they think everyone who plays it is an idiot. Unfortunately, they are kids, and they just can't manufacture the cash to get that Xbox or that 8800GT. Plus they are probably at that age where they don't like being under their parents' jurisdiction to begin with.

I think that accounts for the unusual stupidity and rudeness in GW. WoW has plenty of people who screw things up and beg for gold and such, but it just doesn't seem like there are so many full-time losers to deal with. I mean, there are people who must spend hours in GW running scams that make them 1-2k. You'd make more money actually playing the game or running or anything.

Anyway, apart from the X-factor, which is these kids who hate the game but don't have anything better to do than waste people's time, I think the game is pretty much a standard level of rudeness and stupidity for the internet.

I guess my formula would be: standard internet community + grab bag of sullen teenagers = nuisance which can be avoided

Welcome to the internet.

...and we have the winner! Thread can be closed.

EDIT: No wait, i have few more points.

Kids to blame? Yeah, right. Way to use age as insult. I find people who do that usually themselves are in their late (or just out) teens.

Waaaaaait a second. Is that a Shadowspawn X complaining about people being rude? Is that the same Shadowspawn X I used to run FOW with back in old days? Same guy who would cuss and whine on vent about every pug and non-pug behind their back and blame just about everyone for his overaggroing stuff? Way to go my man! I wonder if I still have you on my ignore list.

I'm going to tell everyone here that part of the explanation can be found in exactly this thread: re-read it when you're not emotional or opinionated about this topic and you'll feel the emotion; of course the flame is a bit low atm, but everyone can hear coming the close-thread stick because flame leads to more flame. And you don't need to be a kid to flame, it's childish behaviour that looks ok because it's done by adults (some of which will defend their right to flame, while they would blame kids saying the exact same stuff).

Grow up, have a civilised and non-flame discussion (I guess trolls make this more difficult), and then you'll realise that it has nothing to do with being a "kid" and everything with immaturity.

I thank you for wasting your time for explaining this issue. I was too lazy to write all of this out and you are mostly right thank you for writing this out!


Doa.....HoH (plz have all skills unlocked etc)....and many many others

I played CoH, almost never ran into a rude person there. In fact, I can't recall the last rude person I met there.

I played WoW, the only rude people I met there were people who hated me because my pally beat them down in a duel.

I played Ragnarok Online... can't remember a rude person there. Even the jerks in the pvp arenas were nice after they ganked you.

But there's something about GW. Something about it that brings out the worst in some people. I'll admit, I'm not always the nicest person. But usually it's in jest. But this community... I dunno about it. People LOVE to put you on ignore then shit talk you to death. People love to rage quit even if they're not the person who died.

You know what I just realized? Those three games above have shared worlds outside of the towns. Sure, CoH and WoW have instanced dungeons, but the world is shared.

Hah, you can certainly cross the second one off that list, Pre-searing is where the worst happens..to put it into 3 words: perverted emos cybering(in all chat)

Play any game from the Battlefield series for about an hour. Easily the worst community in a game i've played.

yes, there is rudeness in GW, but there is also rudeness in every other game online. And as for people expecting you to be elite as soon as you leave the outposts, i've found that to be generally untrue, with the following circumstances exempt:

1) If you are in a high-end or elite area.
2) If you are paying or being payed for runs, powerleveling, farming, etc.
3) If you are in an EotN dungeon.
4) If you are the lowest level in the group.

If you are in a high-end area, you are expected to be elite, or at least not a noob. IE; generally it's ok to die if you can't help it, but it's not ok to try to Leeroy Jenkins a mob and expect to be rezed immediately (or at all, for that matter) when all that's left in your group is a single monk. As such, it is not appropriate to spam "rez please" or "i'm dead" or draw/ping the map nonstop. that is just asking for rudeness.

If you are paying for a run/powerleveling, you are expected to do what the runner/powerleveler tells you to, and help out however you can. If you are running/powerleveling, and getting paid for it, you are expected to know exactly what you are doing, and that you have done it before, but as the saying goes, shit happens. sometimes the runner/leveler dies, in which case you rez, and move on. simple as that.

Eye of the North dungeons can be tricky on the courtesy level. On one hand, they are part of the non-elite game, but on the other hand, they can be harder than some of the elite areas of the game. Plus, they have end-dungeon reward chests :-D so generally (especially in Hard Mode) you have to know what you are doing, to a point. expect rudeness if you screw up and get the team wiped, because people do these things for the $$$ involved

This next one sucks, but if you are the lowest level in the group (a level 15 in a group of level 20's) good luck, first off, getting into a group, and if anything bad happens, the blame is usually pointed in your direction ("We would have made it if we had all level 20's >.<") I know it sucks, but that's life.

In my experience, those are the only four times when rudeness is consistently seen in PvE guild wars. Granted, you will always have some guy, no matter what the age group, that is a complete jerk. Just remember to ignore that guy, have fun with the game, and don't treat rudeness with more rudeness.

I'd say its a bit of a bunch of things.
1..free to play...so more people can play it
2 its the internet...anonymity breads contempt
3 the people who chat in all chat want to be heard---they are usually the people most of us would ignore in public.....most of us have friends we play with or a guild we have joined and no longer need to spam to get attention.

so add that up and what do you get???? a free game with anonymity and friendless people spamming----so get out of the cities and outposts and play the game instead!

case in point just look at this forum to see some of said GW rudeness

It has something to do with the anonimity of the internet, the person behind the keyboard and age.

First the 'age' part.
I've met some players who are mature for their age but would still in specific ways express themselfs in a way that others could see as rude.
It's just that growing up children have different ways of thinking and reacting than adults in some situations.

Second, the person behind the keyboard.
I once told a guildie that I believe that when you play long enough with each other you will find out how people really are.
Some people are rude in real life and also on the internet.
Some, but very few, are nice in real life and rude on the internet because they can.
Some are nice in real life and nice on the internet.
However, in a competitive environment people can and will say things they should not. But most of GW isn't that competitive.

Last, people can say things on the net they would not say in real life because they would get a punch in the face.
I've seen that happen a lot on various places but in the end it comes down to their personality.
The people I've had some nasty encounters with are not the kind of people I would like to be friends with. I've met several of them so I know what I'm talking about.

There is one more thing.
If I consider something to be rude someone else may not find that. Or the other way around.
For example, I've seen US players get very upset about things that I would say to colleagues or friends here in Europe.
Or take for example a christian player who comes into a 'mature' guild where the only chat rule is: there are no rules.


The guild wars community rude?
I do see rude people once in a while but in general I don't think GW players are rude.

I think you have that completely backwards there.
Its the kids who CANT joke around they are the ones that take everything too far. I am in an 18+ guild for a reason and guess what, we dont have alot of drama you find in the guilds that have kids.

I believe the people on big public forums are rude and hostile in general XD
But in this particular case, I think it's because there's nothing to really discuss or to entertain them. GW has been pretty much the same for the last 10 months (after Eye of the North came) and the information for GW2 has been quite scarce. The... let's call them "nice people", who played GW for a while now, have no use for these forums because of the lack of useful discussion.
So who's still here? Mostly those who might be obsessed about their post count, who want to sound like they know more than they actually do (preferring talking over playing), or those who haven't found a decent guild/group of friends that can make the GW experience much more meaningful.

My friends list is made up of people I like or care about and I've been playing GW for almost 2 years (enough to make 10 chars of each profession and get the Protector title for all of 3 campaigns to each of my chars). My Paragon has Legendary Guardian and I've been doing doing HM missions with my guildies for the last 7-8 months just to help them get Legendary Guardian too; occasionally I do some NM missions or other elite areas.

The Charr are supposed to be ruthless and fight dirty. The rank thing just makes the game have more personality. I hate it, but I also find it very satisfying when I get to own them in HM.

Welcome to the internet!

I think that GW PvP is much worse (in the rude department) than the PvE side. Overall I bet there are plenty of other games out there that are much worse than GW...

It's a competitive team game and a lot of people start the game by joining PUGs. Show me a competitive game that doesn't have the idiot who thinks he knows it all.

I wouldn't say the entire GW community is rude, there are a few individuals who think they are da bomb and thus are entitled to be rude to others, but that happens in every competetive game. The GW community is actually less rude than most other online games I've played.

This game isn't all that difficult considering there are builds that have allowed people to solo end game instances since release. It is also easy to create a team build specifically to counter an area/situation turning GW into easy mode. The reason you see so much immaturity is because of spoiled, smart mouth teens on the computer without their parents having taught them better or failing to monitor their activities. Guild Wars having no subscription fee also draws even more kids into the community since it is one of the few, if not the only, MMO without a monthly fee worth playing.

There's more to this - and the way people behave on the internet in general - that goes beyond "It's just a game", "Welcome to teh internetz" and "Can't take the heat, get lost".

It's about how the internet is radically changing our basic human interaction.

The younger generation don't see any problem - they've been bought up with it. The older generations despair at the loss of accountability.

Having said this, it's not about young vs old, or about any sort of stereotype. Everyone uses the internet. Even if you're the most well adjusted person on the planet, we can still be overwhelmed by the sheer mass of humanity on a daily basis.

Some of you may see this as over-thinking the problem. But this is the future of human interaction - we just need to evolve our social mores.

Therefore, it starts with you - I know it's tough, but be as mature/nice/polight online as you would in real life; don't tolerate the stupidity; get the good cycle going.

It goes deeper still.

Generally, my experience with online gaming communities - not the forums, but actually in-game - have been incredibly varied. I've only had about three negative but brief experiences in my long time of playing CS:S and TF2. Interestingly enough, I've only had about ten out of the thousand games of Dawn of War that didn't include a "@$!# you".

Granted, experiences vary. But I think it's also worthwhile to look at the games themselves.

Sometimes things get a little rough. There's usually about one local chat conversation a month that makes me turn off the channel. Otherwise it's actually a really decent community. It's fine to be selective about the company you keep, but I find the people I have on my list are people that I had a good time with during events. People I could talk to during a party, or allies that I like to play with.

I also add people who I found to be very pleasant and helpful or who needed my help and weren't demanding of it. I like to help people who are new to the game, but you all know the type that stands around begging and spamming questions despite being answered by nearly everyone in the outpost.

Perhaps I am used to having people be rude to me, and that's why I keep my channel up. I want to be the one that wasn't rude to the new guy. If everyone else dogs them for a simple question, I want to be there to help, even if I'm the only one. I love the game and I want other people to love it too. Nothing makes a person quit playing faster than insults on their first day.

Does anyone here remember what it was like starting out with a brand new account, before unlock packs, skill tomes, and all that fun stuff that makes it easy to get off the ground? Before you could build your own team of heroes until you got the hang of the new toon you were playing? It was tough. Especially if you do have a job or school and can't play all the time.

But time is a valuable thing, is it not? If you aren't one of the hardcore farmers, you have to play even harder to stay ahead of the game. Most of the missions don't even require other players now and if you spec your heroes right, your build is irrelevant. You could wand-warrior through the game and say "I beat it! I R teh uberpwner of GW!" Eventually, you'll have to play with other people and realize "Gee, this doesn't work as well as I thought" and whether it's them or you, someone's going to get blamed. Could be both. Doesn't matter, you still have heroes.

I think the players are going to get a bit more aggro now since we're all just waiting for the next game and grinding out titles. The great thing about new campaigns is even the old pros get to be noobs for a little while. Right now, they're just bored and cranky and it makes sense to take it out on people who didn't know any better. What seems totally obvious to veterans should be obvious to newbies, right? Right?

Anyway, with everything going on in the world right now, it's really hard to unwind even in the places we go to escape the drama. Best you can do is find an awesome guild, or at least a handful of friends you like to goof off with. Maybe you'll beat some missions together, in your own time, or maybe not. Just remember, it IS a game. Be nice to people that have legitimate questions, just because the game has been around for years doesn't mean they've played that long. AND have fun.

That game is filled with botters and people who pay $10 just to flame each other across the whole server.

Nobody has any tolerance for newbs (not noobs, who are pretty much anyone that think theyre the shit and really arent). Nobody will accept a new player in a party and nobody is willing to help them. Fake conversation:
"What does a tome do?"
"lawls noob"
Thats the community in a nutshell right there.

I stopped reading at this point.

Discussing a topic without even accepting or entertaining the idea you could be incorrect or that someone else could have a comparatively valid point or opinion is usually the death of any worthwhile discussion or debate and the birth of long-winded, not to mention futile, arguments that could easily be settled by agreeing to disagree.

I choose the latter.

Turning forum opinion on such a vague topic largely based on personal experience into a "I'm right, your wrong" black and white post really discourages a large amount of people from reading or discussing it and only serves to make one look close minded and self-righteous.
Great post and I fully agree.

FPS = Angry
MMOs = Whiney
RTS = In between

Simple. FPS players get angry at everything because they do not have the time.

MMO players whine because they do have the time.

I've been playing counterstrike for years and years since the beginning. Trust me, the gw community is a walk in the park in comparison.#

You'd fill a large swear jar in 30 seconds hanging around in an fps server

I'd agree, except that I've seen Prophecies pickup groups.

The community is far from rude. There are plenty of other words to describe:

Obnoxious: Tell me the last time you didn't see the majority of people ask for someone over and over. When it does happen, tell me the last time you didn't see the majority of people complain over it not being good enough.

Jejune: A good percent of the community is very childish and age plays no difference whether it is game age or real age. Tell me the last time someone actually said "I want..." and not "I need...". The world of gimme, gimme, gimme...

Impatient: I don't need to explain this one. A good amount of people don't care how something gets done... as long as it gets done. It's fun to find someone in Hell's Precipice and that person asks who is Vizier Khilbron and Glint...

Ive played a few of these things and its closely linked to the age of your players. Games like eq or Vanguard have/had mind boggling awesome communities and the majority of the people are old enough to own a credit card. Having no monthly fee is a big plus for the 11-16 crowd. Which is a big negative for everyone not 11-16... Granted WoW has a fee but it was tailored maid for them and marketed to them so they generate sufficient"nag" for their sub . I know you little retards wont like it but its the truth. Its not just gw, 11-16 year olds ruin everything and are generally unfit to interact w/ humans. I'm so awesome.

Personally, I think its the nature of the game. That and lack of GMs.

When I picked up my pre order of Eye of the North (Anet scammed me out of $50 there...) the guy behind the counter asked me how many level 20's I had. Embarrassingly, I responded "... eight..." and he said "Yeah, I bought the first one, but I only played for about a month because everyone was so rude."

True story. Take it for what you will.

Don't even start that elitist bullshit here. There is no way that I can do a single mission with a PUG without a flame war starting over skill bars or player skill or skill in real life or weapon skins or some other meaningless argument. I can go to RA anytime I want and encounter minimal headaches in that department.

I've noticed that the two most unlikeable player groups are the very young, immature children, and the bitter, stick-up-the-rear middle aged people. Most of the tolerable players I have met have been young adults. I have encountered only a few tolerable children, and no tolerable older adults.

I very much agree with this. RA has lately had very minimal amounts of flaming and on the whole I've been encountering lots of nice people, though it may just be that Age of Conan's Scourge PvP server has changed my opinion of what is nice and what is rude. On a whole it's much improved over how it used to be a couple months ago.

I have met some intolerable older adults but for the most part I find older players much more mature and less rude. There are always exceptions tho. Some of my closest friends in GW are older then me.