The point is having the access to get to those events.
If you can afk, that's true. (I'm a little upset right now at one of my housemates starting a big download last night - cheated me out of actively participating in one event and out of two events worth of afking when Guild Wars followed the rest of the internet and dropped entirely. Possibly three, if the first one was the one I finally got lucky on)
If that hadn't happened, and if I manage to get home early today, I could be have/been actively present at 6 showings - being, local times, 7pm Sunday, 9pm Sunday, 11pm Sunday, 1am Monday morning, 9am Monday morning, and 5pm Monday afternoon. That includes staying up late and shaving a little at both ends of the work day - I can get away with it, but some can't. Admittedly, those that can't may well have caught the 7am session instead - which is what I would have done had I known the connection was suddenly going to go CHUG!
Compare to someone in the US - they can get up at, say, 7 and hit every event to midnight, and hit all but three events without doing anything special except return to the computer every two hours. With a bit of preparation, someone could nap through Saturday afternoon, get up in time for the 2am Sunday session and go all the way through, and if they didn't have to work too early on Monday morning they could arrive at work refreshed.
Timezones don't change the total number of events, but can make a big difference to how many you can get to when you have most of them landing in a working day.
presents not droping this year instead it a auto inventory
draxynnic
D??esseBrighid
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The event takes place over a 24 hour period. No matter where in the world you are, you get the same number of day/night events.
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Lest121
Dear Anet Thank you for my free gifts.
Dawgboy
I likes it.
They even made it every 2 hours instead of every 3 to satiate the prezzy thieves who were bound to whine about it. Some folks would cry if presents dropped every minute of the day, though.
They even made it every 2 hours instead of every 3 to satiate the prezzy thieves who were bound to whine about it. Some folks would cry if presents dropped every minute of the day, though.
Lady Lozza
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The event takes place over a 24 hour period. No matter where in the world you are, you get the same number of day/night events.
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Conclusion - most Australian gamers work.
About 70% of the working population works day shifts. Most day shifts are 8am-5pm.
Conclusion - most Australian gamers are at work between 8am and 5pm.
Gaming at work is a no no. In many cases games are completely blocked, even if you can manage to install it on your machine.
Conclusion - most Australian gamers cannot be ingame between 8am and 5pm.
Australia's east coast is +10 GMT. The finale events started at 7pm Sunday night. The finale event finishes at 5pm Monday evening.
Conclusion - Most Australian gamers will be sleeping or working during the majority of the final events with no possible way of getting online except afking.
Let's say workers everywhere go to bed at 10pm local time (I do) and get up around 6am with absolutely no time for play before work.
Conclusion - working Australian gamers can attend 2 events.
Summary, working Australian gamers can attend, at most 2-3 events. US gamers ~7, EU gamers ~6. How is this fair?
credit
It makes my life a whole lot easier, just leave your character on the nine rings and get presents while you do it, too!
HawkofStorms
WoW Lady Lozza. That's just... fail.
No matter how you try to explain it, your 24 hours is no less then anybody else's 24 hours... period. Time is constant, unless light is moving slower over there in Australia, which I'm sure its not. Using your logic...
I'm in EST.
The event started at 3 am local (I was asleep).
I work Sunday.
I also go to church on Sundays, like most religious denominations.
I therefore only had a chance to go to 2 events.
Therefore, A.net hates us who live on the eastern US and work night shifts.
Conspiracy theory much? I went to both events I could make. If you really want it/care enough to complain about it on a message board, you should care enough to show up. Also, you are posting on these message board (according to the time stamp) at the same time you are supposedly at work and unable to use the internet for personal business... but you clearly are, defeating your own arguement.
No matter how you try to explain it, your 24 hours is no less then anybody else's 24 hours... period. Time is constant, unless light is moving slower over there in Australia, which I'm sure its not. Using your logic...
I'm in EST.
The event started at 3 am local (I was asleep).
I work Sunday.
I also go to church on Sundays, like most religious denominations.
I therefore only had a chance to go to 2 events.
Therefore, A.net hates us who live on the eastern US and work night shifts.
Conspiracy theory much? I went to both events I could make. If you really want it/care enough to complain about it on a message board, you should care enough to show up. Also, you are posting on these message board (according to the time stamp) at the same time you are supposedly at work and unable to use the internet for personal business... but you clearly are, defeating your own arguement.
Lady Lozza
Oh Hawk, last I saw I never suggested Australians get screwed over because Anet hates us. It just so happens that because of our timezone we don't get to participate in many events at all, that's a fact.
The sun doesn't move any slower, time doesn't go faster. Australia is just a very long distance from the US and unfortunately there are a lot of things Anet does which adversely affect us. Conspiracy, no.
Next I said gaming at work was a no in any environment. Internet for small amounts of personal use is fine, if you don't like that answer - not my problem, company policy where I work. Just like I am going to assume that your denomination is fine with work on Sunday because I know some churchas, in Australia at least, still view that as a sin.
Finally my calculations on how many events Americans and EUs could attend works like this. You get up at 8 and go to bed at 10. Personal time in between is 14 hours. Events are every two hours, that's 7 events.
If you have PERSONAL commitments which keep you from attending during that time period, that is one thing. SLEEP and WORK are different.
The sun doesn't move any slower, time doesn't go faster. Australia is just a very long distance from the US and unfortunately there are a lot of things Anet does which adversely affect us. Conspiracy, no.
Next I said gaming at work was a no in any environment. Internet for small amounts of personal use is fine, if you don't like that answer - not my problem, company policy where I work. Just like I am going to assume that your denomination is fine with work on Sunday because I know some churchas, in Australia at least, still view that as a sin.
Finally my calculations on how many events Americans and EUs could attend works like this. You get up at 8 and go to bed at 10. Personal time in between is 14 hours. Events are every two hours, that's 7 events.
If you have PERSONAL commitments which keep you from attending during that time period, that is one thing. SLEEP and WORK are different.
Operative 14
Not to interrupt this lovely argument about who got screwed over more, but...
Is it possible the reason some got double the presents that others got was because they were standing next to NPCs? Through all the festivities I attended, I got 13 gifts only. However, my friends were standing near an NPC, so I was standing next to it for the duration of the last event while the gifts were dropping, and I got 26 gifts.
I've heard that in the past, especially for DF 2007(Not the Redux) where the presents were uncustomized, the presents would spawn next to the NPCs as well as the players. I think I inadvertently used that to great effect then. Perhaps it's the same mechanic, just carried over into a new distribution method?
Is it possible the reason some got double the presents that others got was because they were standing next to NPCs? Through all the festivities I attended, I got 13 gifts only. However, my friends were standing near an NPC, so I was standing next to it for the duration of the last event while the gifts were dropping, and I got 26 gifts.
I've heard that in the past, especially for DF 2007(Not the Redux) where the presents were uncustomized, the presents would spawn next to the NPCs as well as the players. I think I inadvertently used that to great effect then. Perhaps it's the same mechanic, just carried over into a new distribution method?
Lady Lozza
Heh, if there were another gift giving event I'd try that out...
Speaking of which, does anyone know why it has ended yet? I thought the last finale event was supposed to be nearly 2 hours ago...
Speaking of which, does anyone know why it has ended yet? I thought the last finale event was supposed to be nearly 2 hours ago...
Sweet Mystery
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That may be true but you obviously didn't actually read the post of the person you were quoting... It really isn't fair to the Australians when their 24 hour period starts at pretty much bedtime and ends pretty much before they get done with work the next day... Whether they have the same number of events or not, they still miss out due to the fact that their time is ahead of us and their event ends up being on a workday (MONday), not a weekend (SUNday).
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Be thankful there was an event with free stuff, I am.... and the easy accessible victory tokens helped me max a title, bonus....
Ctb
They might as well just remove the requirement that you even log in. Really, the whole gift part of it is just a hassle if you don't get the fun of racing around to ninja the AFKers' stuff when it loses its assignment.
At least just slap all the presents in at once. It really stinks having to stand around in Shing Jea for 20 minutes listening to the typically inane chatter that you get there....
Although, it was fun trying to help the grasps win. It's actually almost harder to get the stupid things to come after you than to just run to the sorcerers...
At least just slap all the presents in at once. It really stinks having to stand around in Shing Jea for 20 minutes listening to the typically inane chatter that you get there....
Although, it was fun trying to help the grasps win. It's actually almost harder to get the stupid things to come after you than to just run to the sorcerers...
Kook~NBK~
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I personally like it quite a bit.
It allows you to just hangout and have fun with your friends, instead of having to run around and pick up gifts. And far, far, FAR better then the original way where you had to scramble around and try to get your share. And vultures be darned, I think it's funny they can't go pick up the AFKer's gifts. |
Hyper.nl
Hm, no more present rushing at boardwalk area.
But I like it. I kept my comp connected last night and got free AFK presents. :-)
But I like it. I kept my comp connected last night and got free AFK presents. :-)
MithranArkanere
What is better? Leeches or vultures?
sixofone
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Not to interrupt this lovely argument about who got screwed over more, but...
Is it possible the reason some got double the presents that others got was because they were standing next to NPCs? Through all the festivities I attended, I got 13 gifts only. However, my friends were standing near an NPC, so I was standing next to it for the duration of the last event while the gifts were dropping, and I got 26 gifts. I've heard that in the past, especially for DF 2007(Not the Redux) where the presents were uncustomized, the presents would spawn next to the NPCs as well as the players. I think I inadvertently used that to great effect then. Perhaps it's the same mechanic, just carried over into a new distribution method? |
I like the new system. Plus, it did have events only those who are actively on can participate in. We all got gifts, but only orb runners got tokens. And for those doing rings, why not? Doing 9 rings is participating in the Festival!
What I don't understand is why some people got 26??
MithranArkanere
The gifts given should have been Dependant on number of points over the enemy:
<100: 5
100..200: 10
>300:20
<100: 5
100..200: 10
>300:20
Trub
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The gifts given should have been Dependant on number of points over the enemy:
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I got to dance with total strangers, and get freebies...why would I question how many freebies I recieved?
Twonaiver
its perfect now, i feel much more lag this way than the other, but its much more fair than present snatchers killing for others presents, i think the only ones complaining are them, good job anet
lyra_song
i put my char afk in shing jea and had around 70 presents when i got home ^_^
thanks anet~
thanks anet~
Sparks Dawnbringer
I kind of liked it.
I was OK with the assigned presents dropping on the ground too.
I thought the unassigned presents falling in a free for all was crap and led to the person having the fastest computer getting the presents and lag causing some to get nothing. I realize the few who got most of the presents in this first way want it back, but the festivals are about everyone having fun not just a few.
As for the people who were afk getting presents, I'm glad they got them and I was there all the time. Why are you so jealous and greedy that you cannot simply let someone have his presents even if he was gone. Some people have to work and go to school and cannot always be online so why should they not have some of the fun too. Wait it's because you are greedy and want yours and theirs too.
If you are there you can get extra victory tokens by playing in the Celestial Charge game. They could make the reward for this a bit more inviting by giving a victory token, 5g and a lucky point to getting the charge to the NPC.
I was OK with the assigned presents dropping on the ground too.
I thought the unassigned presents falling in a free for all was crap and led to the person having the fastest computer getting the presents and lag causing some to get nothing. I realize the few who got most of the presents in this first way want it back, but the festivals are about everyone having fun not just a few.
As for the people who were afk getting presents, I'm glad they got them and I was there all the time. Why are you so jealous and greedy that you cannot simply let someone have his presents even if he was gone. Some people have to work and go to school and cannot always be online so why should they not have some of the fun too. Wait it's because you are greedy and want yours and theirs too.
If you are there you can get extra victory tokens by playing in the Celestial Charge game. They could make the reward for this a bit more inviting by giving a victory token, 5g and a lucky point to getting the charge to the NPC.
Ctb
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I don't have time to join a group for DoA because I get interrupted by my obligations at home too frequently. Why doesn't ANET reward me for not playing that aspect of the game?
I want rewarded for everything I don't do! Because I deserve it!
Reason #312 why this game has become so crummy. You don't even have to play anymore to get rewards. At least while sins had invincible mode you actually had to sit at the computer pressing the top row of keys on your keyboard...
Bryant Again
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Reason #312 why this game has become so crummy. You don't even have to play anymore to get rewards. At least while sins had invincible mode you actually had to sit at the computer pressing the top row of keys on your keyboard...
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Gun Pierson
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Riiiiiight. Couldn't be that some of us find it particularly stupid that you get rewarded for NOT doing something. Nope. That couldn't be it at all.
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I repeat, other players' presents are not yours to begin with. So either way, the conclusion is the same, no more presents dropping on the ground.
If an afk'er is entitled to get presents or not is another debate and imo it's no debate at all cause Anet gives out presents to whom they want to. The dragon festival is a festivity, you can't compare that to DoA. Presents are gifts, you don't have to work for them.
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What is better? Leeches or vultures?
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Kook~NBK~
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What is better? Leeches or vultures?
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People who went AFK during the festival were not a burden on anyone and did no harm to anyone. There were plenty of active people covering the celestial orb spawn points, usually several people, in fact. Any districts that lost the orb game didn't lose because of the people who were AFK, they lost because of the people who were there getting blown up because they didn't know what to do with the things when they picked them up.
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All unsigned gift drops did was cause problems. The thing is it's people who were doing this is the reason it was changed. So if you want to be made you need to look in the mirror.
And assigned gift drops just slowed the severs down. But then that incident with Gaile Gray that also prompted changes.
QQ more about how you can't steal from other players.
Clobimon
I actually preferred the unassigned drop method, but I understand the issues with it. I always went to the same spot that was surprisingly devoid of players in many zones when it started. I'd pick a zone without anyone there and stand between two close spawn points and usually end up with 25-30 each time. It also made it a bit more fun and worth it to be at each visit. This way we were still there for 40 minutes but only came out of it with around one dozen presents, which were given by just standing there at the end in agony as you waited to go do something else. I skipped the last four visits this year because I didn't think it worth it - sorry. I'd prefer to have the auto-inventory presents as he's talking and also unassigned drops... but, you know, at this stage of the game I can accept it however it is.
MithranArkanere
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There's a huge difference between leeches and people who went AFK during the festival. Leeches joing PUGs, AB groups, etc. and do nothing and are a burden on the team they've joined. They penalize their team by their mere presence and are often a cause of the team's failure.
People who went AFK during the festival were not a burden on anyone and did no harm to anyone. There were plenty of active people covering the celestial orb spawn points, usually several people, in fact. Any districts that lost the orb game didn't lose because of the people who were AFK, they lost because of the people who were there getting blown up because they didn't know what to do with the things when they picked them up. |
That's why more gifts should have given the more points where earned over the points won by the Grasping Actors.
Zahr Dalsk
I had BitTorrent running, slowing my internet down to the point at which all I could do was stand in the area, such was the lag it generated, so this was a good thing for me - I would otherwise have been unable to obtain any 
Ctb
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Besides, at least it provided SOME motivation to participate in the preceding game, knowing that you would be rewarded for doing so. Under this system, everyone just logs in and walks away. Pathetic. After I realized I was basically running around helping the 70 AFKers on rings get something for nothing, I started trying to help the grasps... but they're about as dumb as bricks and that was actually harder.
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Yea, lazy bastards on rings getting gifts they don't deserve is a minor thing, but it was preceded by the invincible mode sins had for awhile so people with no business being anywhere near end game content could suddenly solo much of it, and Ursan title farm mode before that, and all the pre-split skill f**kups caused by the poorly executed additions of new classes.
It just pisses some us off not so much because lazy title farmers got free stuff for not even being at their computers, but because it's like a focus for all the other ways this game has gotten screwed up since Factions came out.
Ugh... maybe I just need to quit playing MMOs in general. The whole genre is pathetic anymore. It really pisses me off too, because Guild Wars and Eve Online were really the exceptions to the whole sh*tty scene and now the former has been carebeared to hell and back and the latter is rotted through and through with cheating and company-sanctioned corruption...
Gun Pierson
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why is this a problem when they use the assignment mechanism as they did for the revisit last year? The only people's gifts that get "ninja'd" under that system are are the people AFK'ing.
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They're their gifts, not yours.
With the new system we have no ninja stuff at all. Fair play and that's how it should be, but it's your right to disagree ofcourse.
EDIT: The mini games are there for your entertainment, to make the festival more interesting. It only takes one person with a speed buff to run a celestial to win if everybody else doesn't participate. At wintersday, the comunity splits up even and uneven districts to get the hats, you don't work for them either.
Ctb
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They're their gifts, not yours.
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In other words, you think people should get something for nothing. So, I'll ask again: where's my DoA endgame content? I never did that section, so I should totally be given the rewards for it.
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You shouldn't get those presents for nothing either.
Your DoA content is at the end of Nightfall, not on a starter island like Shing Sea Monastery. It is an elite area designed for a part of the playerbase. You get loot (no presents, but loot) by killing the bad guys and completing the area. It's silly to compare that with a festival where everybody can participate.
Anyway, we're turning in cyrcles unless you have an interesting counter argument why Anet should go back to the former and more unfair system.
Panix
I found the new system much more enjoyable than having to worry about some idiot grabbing a gift at my feet and then laughing about it because I had lag. My guild all went to one district and we had a blast at all the events and even had fun running the charges to the imperial sorcerers. I had to run my friend's account for his mask at least because he was away for his honeymoon and I thought it would be nice for him to have something when he gets back 
. While he ended up with more gifts I still opened them all his account so he is 10k richer, 50 rice bean cakes, 45 bottles of rice wine and all his tokens went to creme brulee and 1 mask.
bigtime102
They're not anybodies gifts, you have to win them by winning the celestial grab race thing and the AFK'ers didnt do anything to help.
Especially in low populated disctricts where there was about 40 people and only a handfull that werent AFK leaving 3 people to try to win the game so they could get presents. And when we lost it wasnt pretty, the grasps killed everybody including the afk'ers and nobody got anything.
Especially in low populated disctricts where there was about 40 people and only a handfull that werent AFK leaving 3 people to try to win the game so they could get presents. And when we lost it wasnt pretty, the grasps killed everybody including the afk'ers and nobody got anything.
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corrected it for you.
All unsigned gift drops did was cause problems. The thing is it's people who were doing this is the reason it was changed. So if you want to be made you need to look in the mirror. And assigned gift drops just slowed the severs down. But then that incident with Gaile Gray that also prompted changes. QQ more about how you can't steal from other players. |
I laugh hard at the QQ'ing masses who got their presents 'stolen' - if they weren't running where all the grabbers were they would be completely safe and with use of few braincells they would get much more than they got post-nerf. And it was even worse, the QQ'ing majority who got their presents 'stolen' was actually trying to do exactly that - steal from other players but they failed miserably so they went on and QQ'ed about system being unfair.
The best fun part that got killed with nerfage was the actual competiton between the players that wanted to compete, not chasing down or harassing players who were intelligent enough to properely position themselves to avoid
Istead of a terrible nerf they should have done a compromise combined solution - on top of the presents that go straight to inventory there should have been some random free-for-all present droppings, to add a fun element and reward active players more than lame afkers. And the random drops should have been adjusted so they didn't drop based on players' locations so nobody would have the feeling someone's stealing a present that dropped for them.
Bryant Again
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And you don't even have to do that anymore, so what's your point?
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Kook~NBK~
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One thing is standing in the circles, being AFK. Another is getting stuff from the party without being in the party itself.
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Unfortunately, giving more presents to those who ran orbs would just cause the vultures to act more like that guy. (shifting vulturism from dropped presents to dropped orbs) IMHO, The fact that the event was enjoyed more than past events by most is largely due to the relative lack of that kind of behavior.
Gun Pierson
I think it's a good idea to have random drops on top of the ones that go straight to the inventory, but not in the ring areas. So they satisfy another part of the playerbase, the ones who like to compete, but not the vultures. I'm also for an extra bonus for the people who play the mini game. Those two ideas some of you gave here, increase the fun factor without having a negative effect and don't promote vulturism. Unless I'm missing something ofcourse.
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ProgressQuest used to be a riff on RPG conventions. It's sad that ANET apparently took it as a design challenge.