Since everyone seams to be hellbent on disscusing underage drinking
here you go.
Stockholm is out of here.
What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alcohol ads in places where kids are allowed.
Any thoughts on this?
Your take on Alcohol and minors in GW
Stockholm
N1ghtstalker
yea kinda bad
but what can you do
even sugar is being promoted here
eat sugar, get diabetes
and so on
but maybe it's softened by the name such as "rice wine" and "firewater" some kids don't understand these terms (unless you watched lucky luke when you were very young)
but what can you do
even sugar is being promoted here
eat sugar, get diabetes
and so on
but maybe it's softened by the name such as "rice wine" and "firewater" some kids don't understand these terms (unless you watched lucky luke when you were very young)
around
For my friends, a good night out only ends when most of them are spewing their guts all over the street.
And they don't play Guild Wars.
And they don't play Guild Wars.
Johny bravo
highschoolers were getting drunk long before guildwars. What do you think about a-net promoting genocide (vanquishing, hunting parties) and mass murder in a game marketed to children 13+?
Trub
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Now, the abuse is a different story. (Drunkard title anyone?)
Bryant Again
It's a world of contradictions, and yes it's silly. People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)
Trub
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It's a world of contradictions, and yes it's silly. People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)
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Healthy male alert!
It's a game..it's fun..and if the kids have any questions about certain social activities..(drinking, boob shaking, killing toons in a game.)
contact an older sibling, favorite relative, or parent.
have fun with this game..gawds sake..don't over analyse it..there are proffessionals enough trying to do that now as we speak..
toastgodsupreme
QQ
Kids aren't as innocent as their parents want to think they are. I'm sure if most parents heard the way their kids talked shit in GW to other players, they'd smack the crap out of their kid.
I don't think we should be minimizing exposure. That's the wrong way to handle these things. Take me for example. I'm 25 and I just about never drink (I think the only time I've actually been drunk was while on vacation in Florida when I was 22). I grew up in a family of alcoholics and learned from their example of what NOT to do. It's about common sense. On the rare occasions I do drink, it's because I'm with friends and it's a social thing.
Teach kids about stuff early. Don't hide things from them in hopes they never find it. Because when (not IF) they do, they'll be more inclined to try it.
Kids aren't as innocent as their parents want to think they are. I'm sure if most parents heard the way their kids talked shit in GW to other players, they'd smack the crap out of their kid.
I don't think we should be minimizing exposure. That's the wrong way to handle these things. Take me for example. I'm 25 and I just about never drink (I think the only time I've actually been drunk was while on vacation in Florida when I was 22). I grew up in a family of alcoholics and learned from their example of what NOT to do. It's about common sense. On the rare occasions I do drink, it's because I'm with friends and it's a social thing.
Teach kids about stuff early. Don't hide things from them in hopes they never find it. Because when (not IF) they do, they'll be more inclined to try it.
Nemo the Capitalist
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What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alchole ads in places where kids are allowed.
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go to Net Nanny and report this
tbh i reall y dont care ....bad message for kids
good message for big business
Stockholm
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GW is very International...in many cultures, alcohol is a common drink for celebrations, funerals, family gatherings etc.
Now, the abuse is a different story. (Drunkard title anyone?) |
And johnny bravo, you want to talk genocide and mass killings please open your own thread (you can invite G.Bush as guest speaker).
Kusandaa
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People just don't see it to be as offensive as someone getting their head chopped off or a girl popping her breasts out (although I'd consider the latter more healthy material than alcohol...)
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I don't know how to phrase my stuff, but here we go anyways...
I feel like parents have a different approach than what I'm used to, in my family and even in my neighborhood. My favorite game to rent, when I was around 10-12, was Mortal Kombat and it was a pretty gory game. I just quickly learned that video games =/= reality... I dunno if kids don't make that distinction anymore or the parents won't even let them look at that kinda stuff, but I have the feeling something's changed in the way they censor stuff.
At peak hours, there are drama shows talking about rape, incest, murder... yesterday it was about drugs and AIDS. But we have people who complain about stuff like violence in the video games... I dunno, but if you let your child watch that show and don't let him to play games like GTA, we have a problem.
Badly phrased, I know... lacking words for what I mean O_o.
Trub
Hypocrisy reigns supreme...use your own judgement in matters of social/cultural balance?
A Leprechaun
If there were anything to promote smoking then I would not like it, alchohol isn't an issue, kids will always drink.
~A Leprechuan~
~A Leprechuan~
poasiods
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Well. I was thinking more about the Laws in the US, since the game is developed here. I know that in many countries there is no age restrictions on alcohol but we have very strict ones in the US. Parents even being sent to jail for kids having partys at the house with alcohol. So this seams to be very much against what the Americans belive in.
And johnny bravo, you want to talk genocide and mass killings please open your own thread (you can invite G.Bush as guest speaker). |
Saying "alcohol in game seems to be against what Americans believe in" is a gross over-generalization based only off of U.S.'s rigid drinking law. First of all, plenty of teenagers drink on somewhat frequent basis, and it's very rare to find anyone in college who doesn't drink at least semi-regularly. Minor drinking really isn't that great of a problem unless you're a parent.
Trying to censor or remove alcoholic content (which comprises of clicking on an alcohol and having the screen spin around for three minutes) for the fear of minors drinking is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since I've last been to the suggestion forums.
Orange Milk
It's no worse than TV, watch TV one night and count the number of Beer Commercials you see.(Heres a tip: Take your shoes off when you do, you'll be counting higher than 10)
I typically drink while playing, sometimes to the point of not being able to play anymore. I am of legal drinking age.
I have "zero" drunkard points.
I highly doubt that of the 5 mill accounts sold that even 0.00000001% of those people will become future alcoholics because of the booze featured in this game. I know several people, age 18 and under, who are doing everything they can to max their drunkard titles and have yet to ever touch a drop of Alcohol in Real Life.
It's a game people know that, go get a comic book or "worse" yet a graphic novel, those will blow you mind if you are bothered by the actions of a cartoon fantasy video game.
PS There are much worse types of games out there, ala Grand Theft Auto
I typically drink while playing, sometimes to the point of not being able to play anymore. I am of legal drinking age.
I have "zero" drunkard points.
I highly doubt that of the 5 mill accounts sold that even 0.00000001% of those people will become future alcoholics because of the booze featured in this game. I know several people, age 18 and under, who are doing everything they can to max their drunkard titles and have yet to ever touch a drop of Alcohol in Real Life.
It's a game people know that, go get a comic book or "worse" yet a graphic novel, those will blow you mind if you are bothered by the actions of a cartoon fantasy video game.
PS There are much worse types of games out there, ala Grand Theft Auto
Snow Bunny
Because using axes to "Eviscerate" people is so healthy for 12 year olds, right?
Who cares really. If anything, kids learn from GW that alcohol will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you up.
CARE BEAR ALERT
The Super Bowl shows that exposure to alcohol = partying with very cute blondes. Don't know about you, but that's a societal message saying, "GO FOR IT"
Who cares really. If anything, kids learn from GW that alcohol will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you up.
CARE BEAR ALERT
The Super Bowl shows that exposure to alcohol = partying with very cute blondes. Don't know about you, but that's a societal message saying, "GO FOR IT"
morgan
yeah, 12 yo kids have enough things around to "promote" alcohol.
Thinking that playing GW will encourage kids to drink is a bit stupid in my opinion, its as bad as saying that playing GTA will make you go out and steal a car then shoot a granny with a shotgun.
Thinking that playing GW will encourage kids to drink is a bit stupid in my opinion, its as bad as saying that playing GTA will make you go out and steal a car then shoot a granny with a shotgun.
Gift3d
ANet doesn't rate their games, the ESRB does. On the GW box it says:
Rated Teen for Suggestive Themes, Use of Alcohol, and Violence.
Doesn't look like there's much to be discussed here, when parents buy their kiddies video games they're informed right on the box of what the game has in it.
Vouch.
Rated Teen for Suggestive Themes, Use of Alcohol, and Violence.
Doesn't look like there's much to be discussed here, when parents buy their kiddies video games they're informed right on the box of what the game has in it.
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cosyfiep
its not a good idea....but there are other things in gw that I have issues with as well....but thats another thread altogether
MirandaKali
My thoughts on this?
Well, since you ask, I think for all the whining about how badly the game has been nerfed, what we really need to worry about are alarmists and molly-coddlers trying to nerf the the world.
It's a freakin game. Get over it. Do you worry about the possible hazards of the poor innocent children reading "Andy Capp" in the Sunday funnies? Dear lord! They could grow up to be misogynistic lushes.
Underage drinking has been around since before The Prohibition, it's not about to stop.
You want children to stop drinking till they get alcohol poisoning, your best bet is to take away it's fetish appeal. Lower the drinking age and remove the taboo. Stop treating a simple glass of wine like it's liquid sin and will make your eyeballs explode. Hell, we send our children off to war and let them cast their vote for our leaders....but they can't have a beer? Where's the sense in that?
Stop treating booze like it's crack. ('cause all humor aside..it's not) I mean come on, I'm thirty-eight, and if I forget my I.D., I can't buy a bottle of fifty dollar Shiraz. In fact, if I have a minor in line with me, I.D. or no, I can't buy booze...
So, lighten up, enjoy GW in moderation, just light you would a fine brandy, and stop trying turn the world into Disneyland.
Well, since you ask, I think for all the whining about how badly the game has been nerfed, what we really need to worry about are alarmists and molly-coddlers trying to nerf the the world.
It's a freakin game. Get over it. Do you worry about the possible hazards of the poor innocent children reading "Andy Capp" in the Sunday funnies? Dear lord! They could grow up to be misogynistic lushes.
Underage drinking has been around since before The Prohibition, it's not about to stop.
You want children to stop drinking till they get alcohol poisoning, your best bet is to take away it's fetish appeal. Lower the drinking age and remove the taboo. Stop treating a simple glass of wine like it's liquid sin and will make your eyeballs explode. Hell, we send our children off to war and let them cast their vote for our leaders....but they can't have a beer? Where's the sense in that?
Stop treating booze like it's crack. ('cause all humor aside..it's not) I mean come on, I'm thirty-eight, and if I forget my I.D., I can't buy a bottle of fifty dollar Shiraz. In fact, if I have a minor in line with me, I.D. or no, I can't buy booze...
So, lighten up, enjoy GW in moderation, just light you would a fine brandy, and stop trying turn the world into Disneyland.
Tyla
I liek drinksh. 14 forever!!!1111!!1one! *thud*
Seriously, if the adult can't trust the kid the kid shouldn't be playing.
In the end it's the parent's responsibility more than anything else to be honest.
Seriously, if the adult can't trust the kid the kid shouldn't be playing.
In the end it's the parent's responsibility more than anything else to be honest.
Kusandaa
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Hate to say it..must of the kiddies buy games with their own credit card..or go 5 finger discount...
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Kids with credit cards? Kinda outta topic but what's the minimum age to have them in the US? In Canada I'm not aware, but I was able to get mine at 18 or 19... and it's a student credit with a 300 bucks limit on it. I don't think I'd have had access to it before (unless it's 16, which would make sense, or 14...)
EDIT: Then yes, the parents are responsible for what the kids buy IMO... kid is also responsible but in the end, it's up to the parent to check for it.
wynoski
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QQ
Kids aren't as innocent as their parents want to think they are. I'm sure if most parents heard the way their kids talked shit in GW to other players, they'd smack the crap out of their kid. I don't think we should be minimizing exposure. That's the wrong way to handle these things. Take me for example. I'm 25 and I just about never drink (I think the only time I've actually been drunk was while on vacation in Florida when I was 22). I grew up in a family of alcoholics and learned from their example of what NOT to do. It's about common sense. On the rare occasions I do drink, it's because I'm with friends and it's a social thing. Teach kids about stuff early. Don't hide things from them in hopes they never find it. Because when (not IF) they do, they'll be more inclined to try it. |
That was 14 years ago. I resumed drinking 12.5 years ago with out any incidents. Alcohol and immaturity are bad things, but there was no GW when I was a kid. Perhaps a pirated game of Leisure suit larry had some booze in it, but it was my environemtn, not a game that led to my issues with alcohol.
No 13 year old is going out in the worldd etermined to be an incorrigible ale hound becasue of GW
Quick_Prodigy
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What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alchole ads in places where kids are allowed.
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captain_carter
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Hate to say it..most of the kiddies buy games with their own credit card..or go 5 finger discount...
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Even if this was true, it would still be the fault of the parents who fail to prevent their children from stealing.
I haven't seen anyone mentioning the fact that every alcoholic item in GW has the warning about intoxication, which refers both to the game and to real life.
I don't see the use of alcohol in GW as encouraging under-age drinking, your characters are adults and none of the children in GW are alcoholics. The use is also from a comic point of view, and clearly does not represent reality.
In a world where people really are concerned about this, it is not the fault of games or television, but of parents and education. If there really is a problem then it is up to parents to supervise their children, if they see something innappropriate in the game their child is playing they should stop them.
Personally, I believe a lot of the problem is lack of exposure, children see the forbidden and think that they should abuse it, preventing exposure is not the answer, in alcohol use the french have things right for once.
Kusandaa
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No 13 year old is going out in the worldd etermined to be an incorrigible ale hound becasue of GW
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I'm 22 years old, I grew up with ripping heads off bodies and making characters bleed like they've never bled before with Mortal Kombat, or I was shooting dinosaurs with my rocket launcher on Jurassic Park. IRL, I've held a pellet gun once (was my cousin's, I was 13) and I never really wanted to kill anyone by throwing bladed hats at them.
It's not because you do it in a game that you'll do the same IRL. Give the kids some credits - the ones who believe that game = reality probably have a problem already. That's where the parents come into play; judge what your kid can stand, explain at a young age that what happens in a game or movies are nowhere near reality, and if your kid understands THEN you can let him play violent games and IMO, he's not gonna be more violent because.
ajc2123
God I hate these threads.
The game does NOT promote it. Its just there as an option, and at no point are you required to take one little drink at all to play 99% of the game. The ONLY thing you NEED it for is a title and like 2 skills. Just like in Real life, its there, and its the persons choice to do whatever you please with it. Its the PARENTS job to watch what their kids are doing and explain to them what to do. I don't give a crap is the game has crack in it, doesn't mean they PROMOTE anything.
Ugh stop censoring everything. 3 choices.
Dont watch what your kids are doing and Live with it.
Watch them and tell them and Live with it.
Or my favorite, Just Live with it!
The game does NOT promote it. Its just there as an option, and at no point are you required to take one little drink at all to play 99% of the game. The ONLY thing you NEED it for is a title and like 2 skills. Just like in Real life, its there, and its the persons choice to do whatever you please with it. Its the PARENTS job to watch what their kids are doing and explain to them what to do. I don't give a crap is the game has crack in it, doesn't mean they PROMOTE anything.
Ugh stop censoring everything. 3 choices.
Dont watch what your kids are doing and Live with it.
Watch them and tell them and Live with it.
Or my favorite, Just Live with it!
Tyla
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Spazzer
Books don't hide alcohol use from minors. Why should a video game be held differently? It's fictional use.
Sir Earl Lionheart
WHAT????!!! It is a video game!! My god is there no safe haven from PC crap??!! I grew up around cigarettes and alcohol, as did many people my age. And we all turned out just fine. Can't people just play the game without trying to find something wrong with it? Oh did you know that some people actually win in here? (It's not fair..waaah) And there are those who have a lot, and some who have nothing as well. (< class envy ) They are also killing things as well!! God this crap drives me nuts. The kids that i know that play this game only think of the alcohol as a way to achieve a title, or for it's monetary value. Just play the game....please!
lyra_song
Whenever I go drinking in real life, i just turn off post-processing and nothing happens to me.
ajc2123
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Books don't hide alcohol use from minors. Why should a video game be held differently? It's fictional use.
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LMAO @ Lyra Song Good one
Spazzer
You forgot to all caps and underline
(edit: @ Sir Earl Lionheart)
(edit: @ Sir Earl Lionheart)
Ctb
The fact that this could even be considered a viable discussion topic speaks volumes to just how little responsibility parents in the United States are expected to have over the rearing of their own spawns...
If your kid is more influenced in the long run by a pixelated depiction of an alcoholic drink created by a species that doesn't even exist, you are a miserable failure of a parent and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.
And if you're so overprotective of your precious little snowflake that the mere thought of him or her even sampling an alcoholic beverage while your back is turned just sends you into a fit of the vapors, maybe you ought to reconsider your choice to allow him or her to play any electronic game other than pong.
Don't mind me, just being a geezer and reminiscing about the quaint old days when people actually raised their own stupid kids and took responsibility for the results instead of just plunking them in front of a glowing idiotbox for hours on end and then whining that the brats don't grow up the way they want them to....
Pfft. Are you kidding me? Credit card companies will give an account to a dead marsupial if you give it a name and fill out the form. In case you haven't noticed, banks haven't really been keen on the whole "responsible lending" thing lately, especially not since Congress basically allowed them to handwrite their very own bankruptcy legislation a few years back.
If your kid is more influenced in the long run by a pixelated depiction of an alcoholic drink created by a species that doesn't even exist, you are a miserable failure of a parent and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.
And if you're so overprotective of your precious little snowflake that the mere thought of him or her even sampling an alcoholic beverage while your back is turned just sends you into a fit of the vapors, maybe you ought to reconsider your choice to allow him or her to play any electronic game other than pong.
Don't mind me, just being a geezer and reminiscing about the quaint old days when people actually raised their own stupid kids and took responsibility for the results instead of just plunking them in front of a glowing idiotbox for hours on end and then whining that the brats don't grow up the way they want them to....
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RotteN
decent parenting > exposure in games.
"But he saw it all in games and on TV" is just a bad excuse for failing parenting.
"But he saw it all in games and on TV" is just a bad excuse for failing parenting.
KamikazeChicken
I'd let my child play, if I had one, because this isn't something worth caring about.
drago34
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What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alchole ads in places where kids are allowed.
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lyra_song
I think every kid needs to get plastered at least once and wake completely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, then THEYLL NEVER DRINK EVER AGAIN.
Anet, please make Drunkard characters unplayable, with permanent -20% morale.
Anet, please make Drunkard characters unplayable, with permanent -20% morale.
Jenn
If the audience is young enough that we should be concerned about what aNet is promoting, the parents should be stepping in and judging what game their young child is playing and making a decision from there. aNet claims on the box that there is violence, alcohol, etc. in their games, so beyond that, I don't care. What people let their kids do is not my issue.