If ursan gets nerfed, can we include all classes in elite pve areas?

I think the community needs to help on this issue. People like ursan because its fast and any class can play it, but if anet nerfs ursan to the point where its no longer faster, can we come up with builds that can include all professions in elite pve areas such as the doa or fow? I think doing this could restore our fun in pve. Here's what I'm thinking right now for builds that could work with doa and maybe other areas.

Warrior - Tank

Monk - Heal/Prot/Bond

Elementalist - Nuke

Necromancer - SS/BiP

Dervish - Tank

Mesmer - Nuke? I was just looking at pvxwiki and I found this build. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Me/E_PvE_MoR_Dom . I know this build would require grinding up another rank, but signet of illusions could be a possibility for a different elite. Arcane echo could also be put in there to spam cry of pain more. Energy from a BiP necro would help this out.

Ritualist - Possible healer or maybe a spirit rift/ancestors rage spam with destructive was glaive?

Paragon - Imbagon? The problem with paragons is that they don't really focus their heals on one target like monks do, they don't do aoe damage, and their shouts and chants mainly effect attack skills which aren't really used in elite areas.

Ranger - Traps for stygian veil and maybe splinter barrage could still work? It would also be nice to have a high lvl eoe and other spirits.

Assassin - Perma SF Tank? Heh maybe not. What about a quick condition spread though? Assassin jumps in, black spider strike, twisting fangs, epidemic and then all foes have bleeding, poison, and deep wound. Maybe it would be possible with temple strike to spread blind and dazed as well.

Well those are just my ideas, not much but I'm sure the community could come up with something to destroy the "holy trinity" thing. Maybe some skill buffs from anet would help too .

THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER URSAN SHOULD BE NERFED OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. It's simply suggestion builds if anet does decide to nerf it, and according to the devs they're looking for ways to change the skill.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...63&postcount=6 - Suggestions for all classes

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...7&postcount=17 - Ranger suggestion

yes, only pugs are too narrowminded to see the different uses of each profession.

If Ursan gets nerfed to to the point that it is no longer viable in Elite PvE then the answer to your question is NO! We will go back to the standard cookie cutter builds for PvE and all classes that were not included in those builds will once again be left high and dry.

Variables are and already were viable.

Grab 'n' go being more viable would be better though, but it was already there. People just didn't see it.

agree tyla, "grab n go", which pugs dont use, is actually much more effective then the trinity, if its thought through

Warriors - Dslash SY!/Earthshaker
Dervish - Avatar of Lyssa/Dwayna physical damage
Ranger - GDW/Splinter Barrage
Monk - healzzzzzz
Mesmer - CoP faceripping aoe
Ele - traditional blow-shit-up class; will always find a place somewhere
Assassin - MS/DB spam w/ Crit Agility; ridiculously high damage
Paragon - imbagon
Ritualist - splinter barrage
Necromancer - hex spam


About 2 years ago, I'd be picky about what I'd want on my team. At this point in the game, anything is viable.

Tell me what class has a disadvantage here and why - I'll counter it.

The "Racthoh team" for DoA included paragons, warriors, monks, rangers and ritualists.

There are 5 other classes left outside ...

For all other dungeons, you just need another player and heroes.

We cut classes even with ursan, ursan is a bandaid to help weaker classes get through elite pve areas.

Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans. Armor class is to low as well as your HP.

We typical only take Ursan W, R, P........and prefer to get W/Me. With Sig of Stam a W/Me has 1,200 Hp (just dont swing your melee) and max armor rating.

To use other classes drains the monks in Areas like DoA HM. You can get away with it in FoW HM, DoA NM and maybe UW HM.

Ursan still has class discrimination (<---im sure i spelt that wrong )

*please insert spell checker

technicly his team was if remember
1 imbagon
1 stunning strike
1 para
1 OOP dervish

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Dervish - Avatar of Lyssa/Dwayna physical damage
Ranger - GDW/Splinter Barrage
Monk - healzzzzzz
Mesmer - CoP faceripping aoe
Ele - traditional blow-shit-up class; will always find a place somewhere
Assassin - MS/DB spam w/ Crit Agility; ridiculously high damage
Paragon - imbagon
Ritualist - splinter barrage
Necromancer - hex spam


About 2 years ago, I'd be picky about what I'd want on my team. At this point in the game, anything is viable.

Tell me what class has a disadvantage here and why - I'll counter it. More suggestions like this and less +1s please. We're not talking about what classes work with ursan and we don't need pessimism here either. If group leaders know what builds can work for all classes, then they can let whoever they want in.

Quote: Originally Posted by Eragon Selene Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans. Armor class is to low as well as your HP. Bolded part made me LOL. All professions have the SAME amount of HP. Only thing that changes HP are runes, weapons, and skills (like Ursan).

Quote: We typical only take Ursan W, R, P........and prefer to get W/Me. With Sig of Stam a W/Me has 1,200 Hp (just dont swing your melee) and max armor rating. Another good LOL for me, "Don't swing your melee so you don't get energy and so you lose your ursan!"

Ursan won't get nerfed, and neither will Sabway and other tank/nuke builds. That is why PvP and PvE skills now can be separated. Players like to use these builds, it gives them a feeling of invincibillity, and that's great! I mean, what would be left without builds like this? How would people differ from each other? by wearing fancy clothes? By walking around with pets? I could give my account to my 8 year old niece than as well, she would have a great time visiting towns and festivals

No! We want BLOOD on the rooftops!! Unstoppable builds, CRUSHING the environment, and those who like differently play it the other way. No problem. Freedom of choice here. Don't take that away.

For DoA, what if a ranger uses concussion shot/epidemic/barrage. It might be hard to get the dazed on, but if you spread it around to all enemies and spam barrage, it could significantly lower the damage output and also take down the monks, especially those groups with 2 monks.

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