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01 Aug 2008 at 18:21 - 41

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Originally Posted by Tyla

One person? How about entire teams? How about 15 disconnections on both sides? How about nobody connecting at all?

That is beyond stupidity, and there is no reason they shouldn't do a rollback. The least they could do is simply say something about the situation.

It doesn't matter if it was one person, or entire teams out because of disconnects. They're not liable. Lah-dee-dah-dee-dah. Do you honestly think that, because of connectivity issues, even server side, ArenaNet should redo the tournament?

A clue:

NO.

(I've always wanted to do that...

)

Tyla

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01 Aug 2008 at 18:25 - 42

Because a reroll of the tournament will affect you how?

One or two connectivity issues is one thing, but entire teams? There isn't even a mention from Arena Net, not even an appology or feedback from them about this.

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01 Aug 2008 at 18:27 - 43

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

OK, so I see what you're saying, that dc's and error's are not liable to Anet. But, seeing as it was obviously server-side, what I would want at least is an explanation from Anet as to what happened.

That would be good, because it did affect PvE as well (my group was in the middle of Vanquishing The Sulfurous Wastes when it hit; we could not continue due to lag, so we just stopped--we can handle Death Penalty, but lag we could not; one of our group even had over 120,000 ping!)

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Also, they did it for the Dragon Festival, they didn't HAVE to do it. So, why do PvE events get more support than PvP events?

I don't speak for ArenaNet or NCSoft, so I can't tell you. Although, with the Dragon Festival Redux, I got off lucky, because, as I said, I just got Factions. But I would have lived if it hadn't come about.

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01 Aug 2008 at 18:34 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Because a re-roll of the tournament will affect you how?

One or two connectivity issues is one thing, but entire teams? There isn't even a mention from Arena Net, not even an apology or feedback from them about this.

A re-roll wouldn't affect me, to be honest. However, it's clearly in the rules that they (ArenaNet/NCSoft) are not responsible for any disconnects. My heart-felt sympathies goes out to those who participated in those tournaments during the severe lag issues, but rules are put in place for the fairness of all.

What if this had happened to me? Would I be upset? Yes. Would I complain? Probably. But, in the end, I'd tuck my tail between my legs and move on with my life. After all, this is just a game.

As far as addressing the issue, I agree (as I stated in my post right after yours.

). It needs to be addressed. An apology would be acceptable, especially since it affected not just PvP, but PvE as well. If I were ArenaNet, I'd put something along the lines of, "We apologize for the inconvinece the server lag of such-and-such weekend caused. It was due to <insert reason here>."

Will we get such an apology? I have no idea. Although, I think we, as a community, should.

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01 Aug 2008 at 18:40 - 45

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0313007&page=1

The big problem seen in the above thread is that a.net isn't even ACKNOWLEDGING that there was a problem that affected the mats. They even LIED about it, saying the server problem only lasted 3 hours and had no impact. Which is a lie, since I and my entire alliance (as well as numerious people posting on guru) started having connectivity issues Friday night, and lasted until Sunday morning.

Yes, I agree with JupiterStarWarrior, they are not legally obligated to redo the match. That doesn't mean that they can't redo it if they want to... or at least admit that there was a problem. 1 person disconnecting, no big deal. Entire teams not being able to play because of a.net side sever problems is another. Heck, the NPCs weren't even loading in properly in certain guild halls.

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01 Aug 2008 at 18:46 - 46

A.net doesn't have to be legally liable (the only reason those specifications are in the rules), for them to still have a moral responsibile to the community to stand behind their product.
Metaphor: If a defetivie product is protected by legal contract for its failure, it is still morally right for a company to admit their product was defetive and issue a recall.

The community isn't trying to "force" a.net to do anything. A.net can do whatever they want with their game as per the EULA. A lot of people don't even want a reroll anymore, just an admission that errors occured.

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01 Aug 2008 at 23:08 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

The least they could do is simply say something about the situation.

This is the way I'm feeling as of late. Redoing the MAT has stopped being that big of a deal because I've accepted there's no respect for the PvP community from the devs side, and at least there wasn't a whoru that got gold trim or something like that.

What I'd really like is some kind of statement about wtf happened. The lag did not just last a few hours, the game was virtually unplayable from Friday ~10pm CST till Sunday ~noon CST.

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02 Aug 2008 at 11:39 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

After all, this is just a game.

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

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02 Aug 2008 at 13:00 - 49

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

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02 Aug 2008 at 16:43 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

And you say this as it's a bad thing? Hum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

Wow. Stole the words out of my mouth. ^_^

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02 Aug 2008 at 16:46 - 51

Because you would totally turn down money for playing a game you like.

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:09 - 52

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Originally Posted by lord of all tyria

Because you would totally turn down money for playing a game you like.

Of course not.
But there is a difference between accepting something and (almost) stating you are entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Wow. Stole the words out of my mouth. ^_^

Just copy&pasting your smiley back because it's too cute for words!
^_^

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:33 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

A re-roll wouldn't affect me, to be honest. However, it's clearly in the rules that they (ArenaNet/NCSoft) are not responsible for any disconnects. My heart-felt sympathies goes out to those who participated in those tournaments during the severe lag issues, but rules are put in place for the fairness of all.

What if this had happened to me? Would I be upset? Yes. Would I complain? Probably. But, in the end, I'd tuck my tail between my legs and move on with my life. After all, this is just a game.

As far as addressing the issue, I agree (as I stated in my post right after yours.

). It needs to be addressed. An apology would be acceptable, especially since it affected not just PvP, but PvE as well. If I were ArenaNet, I'd put something along the lines of, "We apologize for the inconvinece the server lag of such-and-such weekend caused. It was due to <insert reason here>."

Will we get such an apology? I have no idea. Although, I think we, as a community, should.

I agree with most of your posts on here, Jupiter.Though I don't see why people are making a big deal out of it, or wanting an "apology". Its a minuscule dilemma we faced and you guys want them to apologize? What ? If your mom made you dinner and she burnt it would you expect her to apologize ?

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:35 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

Well therein lies the problem, People need to take better care of their finances. If they are gambling with "hundreds" of dollars, then they should be prepared to lose it.

JupiterStarWarrior

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:39 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Just copy&pasting your smiley back because it's too cute for words!
^_^

Don't need to copy and paste it. ^_^ *cough*

Anywho...

If my mom burnt dinner, she'd be okay with it; she likes her burnt offerings.

Kanyatta

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:39 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

lolwut? I have a real job, but personally, I wouldn't say hundreds of dollars means nothing.

I also wouldn't consider playing a MAT "gambling", as Fleur said. Each team has nothing to lose and everything to gain, but if the best team isn't winning because of Anet's server issues, I'd say something went haywire.

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02 Aug 2008 at 17:48 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

lolwut? I have a real job, but personally, I wouldn't say hundreds of dollars means nothing.

I also wouldn't consider playing a MAT "gambling", as Fleur said. Each team has nothing to lose and everything to gain, but if the best team isn't winning because of Anet's server issues, I'd say something went haywire.

You misunderstood.
It's not the money that means nothing.
It's the fact that you are playing for money that means nothing. People seem to feel that because they play for money that they have the right to demand that a different set of rules apply for them.
And I really don't see why that demand would be justifiable.

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Don't need to copy and paste it. ^_^ *cough

I am one of THOSE lazy bastards.

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03 Aug 2008 at 05:55 - 58

Quote:

It's the fact that you are playing for money that means nothing. People seem to feel that because they play for money that they have the right to demand that a different set of rules apply for them.

Yes they can, because they were cheated out of money which they could have won if ANet had not cocked up.

The analogy would be if during the Champion's league (insert american equivalent if you don't understand) final one team couldn't turn up through no fault of their own (be it heavy traffic, mechanical breakdown or some joker putting laxatives in the tea). Imagine then if all the prize money was awarded to the other team.

Would you feel hard done by? I would.

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03 Aug 2008 at 06:15 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by around

Yes they can, because they were cheated out of money which they could have won if ANet had not cocked up.

The analogy would be if during the Champion's league (insert american equivalent if you don't understand) final one team couldn't turn up through no fault of their own (be it heavy traffic, mechanical breakdown or some joker putting laxatives in the tea). Imagine then if all the prize money was awarded to the other team.

Would you feel hard done by? I would.

This:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=35

Or the important part:

Quote:

Due to the nature of computers and the Internet, ArenaNet is not responsible for the results of any disconnection or network problems experienced by players.

IF you have an issue with the rules - you can show that by NOT participating.
A.Net clearly set the rules for EXACT such cases.
The players do NOT have the right to demand the rules be changed.
As a sign of good will A.Net COULD award additional players - but like previously stated, the players do NOT have the right to demand this.

Now that we have that covered - would "I feel" cheated?
Yeah.
So?

That's like going to the store - looking at the PS3 and then say that it's 400€ price tag isn't good and that it should be sold to you for 300€!
Yes, they CAN sell it to you for 300€.
But do they need to?

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03 Aug 2008 at 06:32 - 60

Yes, they're not responsible. I know the internet is a fickle place-who knows what goes through those tubes?

Just like the Champions League organizers weren't responsible for one team's mechanical breakdown/heavy traffic.

But ANet CAN reschedule the tournament, just like the Champion's League organizers, so that everyone has a FAIR and EQUAL chance at winning the prizes.

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03 Aug 2008 at 08:15 - 61

But they won't, because of the rules.

If players are unable to attend a game for whatever reason, that means that they can't make it. If they can't make it prior to the start of the match, then they forfeit. Those are the rules. As I said before, they are put in place for a reason. It's fair to all. Besides, in a game (NASCAR, Football, whatever), players usually arrive a couple hours PRIOR to the start of the match/race/whatever, so they can prepare for such things as traffic and whatnot. Will the race be delayed because one or two drivers don't show up? Will a game be rescheduled because the opposing team doesn't have enough players? No. In fact, in some sports, if a team doesn't have enough players, that team forfeits the game, pure and simple. Though, games can be delayed on the count of weather (case in point: American Baseball). However, those are exceptions.

In the case of an INTERNET VIDEO GAME, I have four words:

IT'S.

JUST.

A.

GAME.

ArenaNet should NOT redo the tournament. It's over. It's getting annoying beating around the bush, though.

around

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03 Aug 2008 at 09:56 - 62

Football is 'just a game'. So is baseball, and cricket, and everything else you can more or less care to list off.

Yet those 'games' have 'large financial rewards', as does Guild Wars.

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03 Aug 2008 at 10:38 - 63

Why is it, that whenever a serious PvP issue occurs, and there is a thread made to either discuss it, or allow people to give their opinion, that a bunch of shitty PvE nobodies decide to post saying how they think we're all wrong?

I mean, sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...but if you're posting in a thread DIRECTLY related to a GvG tournament, surely it's better to just skip over this thread. Especially if you CLEARLY have no experience in GvG, and don't even understand why people are angry in the first place.

No wonder Anet ignore threads like these, when uninformed, ignorant PvE scrubs fill them with rubbish posts about how they think X and Y should happen, despite the fact that they've never played a high end GvG in their lives. Gtfo all of you.

Back to the issue at hand, are Anet even going to do anything? Or are they too busy working on GW2...despite the fact that they have nothing to show for it?

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03 Aug 2008 at 10:51 - 64

To be fair, scrap this months MAT and more importantly make sure lag during MAT don't ever happen again or they have to scrap it every time it happens.

AND Arena Net, you do know this is an Elite Fansite appointed by you and you've ask, at least me when i try to contact you with questions to post my questions here, and if you don't send someone here to read this forum and its many suggestions and questions and speculations about your game on a regular basis, you will find your playerbase are going to become less and less. (note: your representative did not directly say, there go to guildwars guru, but they gave me links, and I chose this one, FYI)

PS: PvE players do feel the pain when lag cause something to happen that is beyond their control, like trying to get the survivor title and die on a disconnect, or the death of lag, you thought you ran away, but then you rubberband back to the place where the mob was and there your body has been turn into a well of silence, and you check /deaths You have died 1 time. :P and you haven't play that character since, not knowing if you want to delete it or not.

Think of that ^^ before you start saying this thread is whining, it is actually very good to voice this as it will make Arena Net make their server better in the future.

And No the lag did not just happen for 2 hours it was still happening a day after that. Just to be sure, it was in a GvG but luckily we won :P~

another lastly, this is not PvP players Vs PvE players, so stop fighting, its how are we going to make Arena Net realise they have server problems, it affect every players that uses the "faulty" server.

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03 Aug 2008 at 10:54 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Why is it, that whenever a serious PvP issue occurs, and there is a thread made to either discuss it, or allow people to give their opinion, that a bunch of shitty PvE nobodies decide to post saying how they think we're all wrong?

I mean, sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...but if you're posting in a thread DIRECTLY related to a GvG tournament, surely it's better to just skip over this thread. Especially if you CLEARLY have no experience in GvG, and don't even understand why people are angry in the first place.

No wonder Anet ignore threads like these, when uninformed, ignorant PvE scrubs fill them with rubbish posts about how they think X and Y should happen, despite the fact that they've never played a high end GvG in their lives. Gtfo all of you.

Back to the issue at hand, are Anet even going to do anything? Or are they too busy working on GW2...despite the fact that they have nothing to show for it?

Welcome to the world where mesmers are godly because Power Leak and Diversion are to die for!1!
Ohh the question was regarding PvE?
Who cares!1!!

And the reason why A.Net ignores these threads is because they choose to do so. It's fairly simple to look at them and see who does PvP and who doesn't and them simply ignore those that don't.
If one chooses to do so.
Obviously they DON'T so ... how about blaming them for it?

Come on, the best thing they can do from this is to learn a lesson and try to make sure that such mistakes don't happen the next time.
Give it a few weeks and NOBODY will care about this anymore.

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03 Aug 2008 at 10:56 - 66

I'm sure ANet are busy trying to forget about it.

Does that solve the problem though?

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03 Aug 2008 at 10:56 - 67

Quote:

Give it a few weeks and NOBODY will care about this anymore.

Oh no, people are still going to be angry about it. Just less, because in a few weeks more and more people are going to be leaving Guild Wars because ANet has been showing us how much they give a flying shit about Guild Wars.

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03 Aug 2008 at 11:37 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

And the reason why A.Net ignores these threads is because they choose to do so. It's fairly simple to look at them and see who does PvP and who doesn't and them simply ignore those that don't.
If one chooses to do so.

If 95% of the feedback is garbage, it's harder than you'd think to ignore the crap.

As comparison, I'd like to point out the outcry over the last trader price reset - these incidents are rather comparable in severity.

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03 Aug 2008 at 13:32 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

If 95% of the feedback is garbage, it's harder than you'd think to ignore the crap.

As comparison, I'd like to point out the outcry over the last trader price reset - these incidents are rather comparable in severity.

If almost all responses are crap - then you can be quite certain that people just don't give a damn.
Plus keep in mind that something like 120 people took the time to vote - which should be even a bigger sign to A.Net how much of a pressing matter this subject is.

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03 Aug 2008 at 13:37 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

If almost all responses are crap - then you can be quite certain that people just don't give a damn.
Plus keep in mind that something like 120 people took the time to vote - which should be even a bigger sign to A.Net how much of a pressing matter this subject is.

Every single person who was affected by this lag in the mAT are angry. Every single person who was affected by the 2 day server problem and lost something because of it are angry. All of those people and more are angry because ANet decided to completely ignore the fact that they screwed up the mAT and can't even acknowledge it. If that's not an important subject, I don't want to know what is.

All they're doing is hiding behind their rules about it, and are apparently oblivious to the fact how crappy their support is. But hey, they're working on GW2, who cares right?

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03 Aug 2008 at 15:41 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by around

American Football is 'just a game'. So is baseball, and cricket, and everything else you can more or less care to list off.

Fixed. >_>

Actually, they're sports. But, that's a different story altogether. However, for the basis of this argument, you're right; they're games. However, saying that they have "large financial rewards" is kind of, well, not good.

Because, well, let's face it. The players playing the game are actually PAID to do it, win or lose. It's their LIVES! They DEPEND ON THAT MONEY TO LIVE. Are the players who do organized tournaments on Guild Wars or other MMOs relying on that prize money? I highly doubt it. $100,000 would be nice, really, but to rely on it every time I try to log on? Hmmph. Please. Let me do something more constructive, please.

But, just like American Football or baseball or Cricket, there are rules. Please read the part of the rules about Connectivity that has been posted twice already (three times if you look elsewhere in these forums; just don't ask me where).

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03 Aug 2008 at 16:16 - 72

Anet have broken rules before, I'm sure it's not a stretch for them to fix this problem, considering it was entirely their fault (something they are obviously aware of, since they've ignored it).

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03 Aug 2008 at 16:24 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

If players are unable to attend a game for whatever reason, that means that they can't make it. If they can't make it prior to the start of the match, then they forfeit. Those are the rules. As I said before, they are put in place for a reason. It's fair to all. Besides, in a game (NASCAR, Football, whatever), players usually arrive a couple hours PRIOR to the start of the match/race/whatever, so they can prepare for such things as traffic and whatnot. Will the race be delayed because one or two drivers don't show up? Will a game be rescheduled because the opposing team doesn't have enough players? No. In fact, in some sports, if a team doesn't have enough players, that team forfeits the game, pure and simple. Though, games can be delayed on the count of weather (case in point: American Baseball). However, those are exceptions.

Yes, but does the NFL put random gates up outside of locker rooms so some players can't get on the field? Will NASCAR steal Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s car and hide it 5 minutes prior to the race? Will the MLB steal each teams bats before the game?

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04 Aug 2008 at 01:52 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Fixed. >_>

Actually, they're sports. But, that's a different story altogether. However, for the basis of this argument, you're right; they're games. However, saying that they have "large financial rewards" is kind of, well, not good.

Because, well, let's face it. The players playing the game are actually PAID to do it, win or lose. It's their LIVES! They DEPEND ON THAT MONEY TO LIVE. Are the players who do organized tournaments on Guild Wars or other MMOs relying on that prize money? I highly doubt it. $100,000 would be nice, really, but to rely on it every time I try to log on? Hmmph. Please. Let me do something more constructive, please.

But, just like American Football or baseball or Cricket, there are rules. Please read the part of the rules about Connectivity that has been posted twice already (three times if you look elsewhere in these forums; just don't ask me where).

Apparently you're too bad to even know about competitive starcraft. People live off playing computer games too.

It's the same principle. Just because you're making $50000 a year from starcraft or $5000 a year from guild wars doesn't matter.

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04 Aug 2008 at 03:03 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Fixed. >_>

Actually, they're sports. But, that's a different story altogether. However, for the basis of this argument, you're right; they're games. However, saying that they have "large financial rewards" is kind of, well, not good.

Because, well, let's face it. The players playing the game are actually PAID to do it, win or lose. It's their LIVES! They DEPEND ON THAT MONEY TO LIVE. Are the players who do organized tournaments on Guild Wars or other MMOs relying on that prize money? I highly doubt it. $100,000 would be nice, really, but to rely on it every time I try to log on? Hmmph. Please. Let me do something more constructive, please.

But, just like American Football or baseball or Cricket, there are rules. Please read the part of the rules about Connectivity that has been posted twice already (three times if you look elsewhere in these forums; just don't ask me where).

You're right, no one is depending on money from Guild Wars to live, but seriously, if you got screwed out of $5000~, I can guarantee you'd be pissed off too, even if you would be able to live without it.

You keep bringing up the "Anet is not liable for connection issues" rule, and everyone acknowledges that it is there, but you seem to keep bringing it up as as point in your favor. No, Anet is not REQUIRED to do anything about it, but common avoidance of jackassery says that they should at least state that they f*cked up and offer an explanation for it.

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04 Aug 2008 at 03:57 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Fixed. >_>

Actually, they're sports. But, that's a different story altogether. However, for the basis of this argument, you're right; they're games. However, saying that they have "large financial rewards" is kind of, well, not good.

Because, well, let's face it. The players playing the game are actually PAID to do it, win or lose. It's their LIVES! They DEPEND ON THAT MONEY TO LIVE. Are the players who do organized tournaments on Guild Wars or other MMOs relying on that prize money? I highly doubt it. $100,000 would be nice, really, but to rely on it every time I try to log on? Hmmph. Please. Let me do something more constructive, please.

But, just like American Football or baseball or Cricket, there are rules. Please read the part of the rules about Connectivity that has been posted twice already (three times if you look elsewhere in these forums; just don't ask me where).

I'm pretty sure I ask for a game of football not a sport of football...

also professional starcraft players etc etc

You fail at seeing the point. Here it is laid out in the clearest terms possible:

1) ANet say 'here look have a great prize if you win the mAT'
2) Everyone else: 'zomg ok'
3) Internet RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs up so half the players don't have a chance to compete ON EQUAL GROUND (and we are talking about 0v0 games here).
4) ANet: THERE WAS NO DISRUPTION IN THIS MAT OF ANY KIND

And yes, you cannot blame ANet if 1 person disconnects are a crucial juncture. However, if lag makes the game UNPLAYABLE, then ANet should replay it so that everyone has a FAIR AND BALANCED chance of getting the prize.

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04 Aug 2008 at 06:20 - 77

Question: What does Starcraft have to do with Guild Wars? Uh, aside from their both MMO's, absolutely nothing.

Question: What does the different sports leagues have to do with Internet lag? Read answer to question above: absolutely nothing (unless, of course, every single player, for whatever god-awful reason decided "Hey! Instead of playing on the field, I'll just play the video game version of it! Suck it fans!")

ArenaNet may have NOT CAUSED IT. Sure, it may have been on their end, who knows, WHO CARES at this point?! (I'm starting not to care, to be honest what caused it and why, unless some jerk actually did it on purpose, but that's different altogether). Still, could have been an accident. I'd be very surprised if they do replay it, but you know something? The entire "July Season", unless I'm mistaken (and if I am, point me in the OFFICIAL RULES where it states), are actually NOT decided during the weekend when the intense lag happened; as far as I can tell, it has been for a week, and every eight hours, there's a Guild vs Guild battle and a 1-on-1 battle (they alternate every four hours).

Those four people above me, have they actually read (or even skimmed) over the official rules?

Note: I am no expert on this. I'm reading what I'm reading. If I'm wrong, well, I'm wrong.

But you know? Were YOU affected by the results? *to another* Were you? Funny. I don't see anyone who was affected by this complaining about it. Then again, they may have been doing so on other forums. I don't know.

I wasn't, but still. I now no longer think an apology is necessary, just an acknowledgment would be fine (then again, during an outage, some TV companies actually DO something about it, however, this is comparing spaceships to fruit).

And, uh, if a Black Dye happen to drop in front of you, and the game became, what was your word.... Ah, yes. "Unplayable", then do you expect the company to give you a black dye?

A clue:

*shakes head and mouths "no"*

*Heh. I always wanted to do that one, too.

*

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04 Aug 2008 at 07:22 - 78

Although I don't understand why you're posting, since you're both wrong AND an idiot with no clearly no understanding of the issues, but here's a problem for you.

They repeat sport games if something happens to disrupt it. Be it AWFUL weather, fans being violent, etc etc. This is the same. Server problems disrupted the MAT, so it should have been repeated. Now stop trying to link this to a poor sport comparison, and post elsewhere.

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04 Aug 2008 at 07:23 - 79

Also-

Quote:

The entire "July Season", unless I'm mistaken (and if I am, point me in the OFFICIAL RULES where it states), are actually NOT decided during the weekend when the intense lag happened; as far as I can tell, it has been for a week, and every eight hours, there's a Guild vs Guild battle and a 1-on-1 battle (they alternate every four hours).

No.

The mAT decides the final month standings completely. If you didn't know this, why the hell are you commenting on it?

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04 Aug 2008 at 07:26 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Question: What does Starcraft have to do with Guild Wars? Uh, aside from their both MMO's, absolutely nothing.

Starcraft is not a MMO.

You're clueless, just admit it. Why would you even discuss an issue that doesn't even concern you and then try to defend your point of view so stubbornly ? You've obviously never played high-end PvP. You obviously have no idea how annoying it is to lose something your team worked for because of a serious serverside f*ck-up.

Go post in some PvE-carebear thread. Go go go ...