Izzy hates smiting. We all have things we love and hate. Is he biased towards smite though? If so, do you think it's fair that one powerful person can supress a line like smiting?
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1) Smiting is ok in PvP as it is.
2) Smiting has a lot of unfocused dmg, reversal is one example. Bane signet is direct dmg but you can't kill a fly with it in HM. The knock down is nice but really isn't needed, a lot of dmg is needed though in PvE.
It gets boring playing heal/prot time and time again. Smiting brings a nice change especially if your main is a monk. You know, open up the class a bit, have some more fun. That's what PvE is about.
It would be nice if Izzy would think about that and change his view on the line a bit.
Why have a line like smiting if monks are not meant to do damage? It represents the power of Balthazar.
The skill balancer hating smite isn't that promising for smiters in PvE, yet a sin has a godly protect skill like shadow form. Why don't sins make a monk then if they want protection? See the contradiction? Eles have good protection too with wards and spells like mist form etc. In PvE you can make an ele protector with infinite energy (ether renewal) who's better than a protector monk. O.o
Discussion: Izzy and smiting (2nd try)
Gun Pierson
Ben-A-BoO
Smiting is fine as it is.
Top GvG Guilds running smite support thanks to smite condition and buffed smite hex. Smiter's Boon gave the line some play.
Although I am with Izzy ... smiting must be a tame damage line, as channeling on rits should be. Otherwise you get 8 monks running around.
And finally LOL @ "...do you think it's fair that one powerful person can surpress a line like smiting? " spilled my coffee.
Top GvG Guilds running smite support thanks to smite condition and buffed smite hex. Smiter's Boon gave the line some play.
Although I am with Izzy ... smiting must be a tame damage line, as channeling on rits should be. Otherwise you get 8 monks running around.
And finally LOL @ "...do you think it's fair that one powerful person can surpress a line like smiting? " spilled my coffee.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by timebandit
And finally LOL @ "...do you think it's fair that one powerful person can surpress a line like smiting? " spilled my coffee.
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At least my smiting topic does some laughable dmg in real life too it seems.
Alexandra-Sweet
If you ask Izzy (and his silly team) what the use of Smiting is I wonder what the answer would be.
Amnel Ithtirsol
Remove energy loss from [Holy Wrath]
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by timebandit
And finally LOL @ "...do you think it's fair that one powerful person can surpress a line like smiting? " spilled my coffee.
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Smiting MUST be weak or else you get 8x Mo immortal spike (or pressure) teams.
Each class has redheadedstepchild line, smiting is monk one, not big deal.
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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
If you ask Izzy (and his silly team) what the use of Smiting is I wonder what the answer would be.
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Anyone who saw Bane signet, Reversal of Damage ... should have gotten general idea
RotteN
smiting is fine. It is a great support line. Monks are not ment to do crazy damage, you are obviously playing the wrong class.
Arkantos
If you want damage, play another class. Monks are not meant to do big damage. Smiting is fine as it is.
Dr Strangelove
We've been running a smiter pretty constantly in TA for a long time now. The divine boon + smiter's boon variant is extremely powerful as a second monk - it's nearly immune to interrupts, it prevents enemy warriors from frenzying, it has damn near infinite energy, and I can run it after my 4th beer. Smiting isn't and shouldn't be a DPS line, but it's a damn fine support line.
DarkNecrid
Smiting is used in top PvP teams as I said before. It's fine.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
It gets boring playing heal/prot time and time again. Smiting brings a nice change especially if your main is a monk.
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There is enough of those areas to vent your "must ... smite ... something" urges.
pumpkin pie
can't buff that anymore, think of all the sin that uses bane signet and signet of judgement ...
and i would not say i hate Izzy as I have no idea what kind of GW player he is, i might own him 1vs1 thou, who know, and lucky or I hope, Izzy's not have the omg you attack me personally attitude huh.
and i would not say i hate Izzy as I have no idea what kind of GW player he is, i might own him 1vs1 thou, who know, and lucky or I hope, Izzy's not have the omg you attack me personally attitude huh.
I pwnd U
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If you want damage, play another class. Monks are not meant to do big damage. Smiting is fine as it is.
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Washi
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Why don't sins make a monk then if they want protection? See the contradiction?
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Monks are perfectly fine.
Arkantos
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Steps_Descending
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
You are aware there are separate skill balances for PvE and PvP, right?
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pumpkin pie
you apparently have not met them in RA or my skills has gone blunt.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Washi
No I don't see the contradiction. I see a terrible comparison. You have no idea what you're talkin about.
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In a way this is a good thing as I don't have to make another character. But why have the smiting line then?
RotteN
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
But why have the smiting line then?
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Smiting is a great support line. Not a raw damage line.
I am not complaining my warrior can heal better with secondary profession skills than with primary skills, now am I ? why ? easy, warriors aren't supposed to be healing. Monks are not a damage class, get over it.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
you apparently have not met them in RA or my skills has gone blunt.
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The ignorant posts are just piling up this morning, it's amazing.
GourangaPizza
Apart from Shards of Orr, I rarely optimised my heroes for smiting. I mean look at the dungeon I mentioned earlier, they tried to create a place where holy damage shines, and look at how 'gimmicky' one must go and customise the team build to complete it.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
As RotteN said, it's a great support line.
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But yeah, I can live with it, I even like smiting. There's nothing to get over in my case. That doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion to make it more viable.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
The line sux at support.
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You're kidding me right??
Arkantos
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Also, you saying it sucks as a support line proves you know very little about it. You claim to like smiting, yet you call it a bad support line, which is exactly what it is. That made me lol, good one.
Gun Pierson
Ok can I come as a smiter with you guys? Do some PvE stuf for fun.
Btw I didn't say it's bad on itself. But it's bad if you see it as support, cause nobody will take you as a smiter support.
You guys claim it's great and all, but it doesn't see play in pugs etc (neither before ursan) (guilds don't count).
But I get it, monks should be heal/prot mostly. I simply don't agree with that.
Btw I didn't say it's bad on itself. But it's bad if you see it as support, cause nobody will take you as a smiter support.
You guys claim it's great and all, but it doesn't see play in pugs etc (neither before ursan) (guilds don't count).
But I get it, monks should be heal/prot mostly. I simply don't agree with that.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Ok can I come as a smiter with you guys? Do some PvE stuf for fun.
Btw I didn't say it's bad on itself. But it's bad if you see it as support, cause nobody will take you as a smiter support. You guys claim it's great and all, but it doesn't see play in pugs etc. That's what really makes me lol. |
'nuff said.
Productivity
Smiting is fine. It provides a set of monk style abilities (hex/condition removal, protection etc.) which provide a damage or otherwise offensive side hit, with some minor direct damage spells and is legitimately playable in both PVP and PVE.
As far as I can tell, your only complaint about smiting is that you can't make big numbers with it. If you want a line which will allow you to run around and direct damage people for 130 a go, you're in the wrong skill line. You're looking for air magic.
As far as I can tell, your only complaint about smiting is that you can't make big numbers with it. If you want a line which will allow you to run around and direct damage people for 130 a go, you're in the wrong skill line. You're looking for air magic.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Ok can I come as a smiter with you guys? Do some PvE stuf for fun.
Btw I didn't say it's bad on itself. But it's bad if you see it as support, cause nobody will take you as a smiter support. You guys claim it's great and all, but it doesn't see play in pugs etc (neither before ursan) (guilds don't count). But I get it, monks should be heal/prot mostly. I simply don't agree with that. |
As I said before, it's not that great in PvE, it is in PvP. Also, don't attempt to say something is bad because pugs don't allow it - pugs are horribly teribad.
In PvP, this isn't the case. In PvE with good players, this isn't the case. In pugs, it is. Regardless, you don't have to agree with it, it's not going to change a thing.
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PUGs also think Mesmer's are terribaed in PvE, use consets, use Ursan and think it's the best, and think Nuking is actually good. 'nuff said. |
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
it's not that great in PvE
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But you're right, pugs are not a good reference and the smiting line prolly won't change especially since Izzy doesn't like it. But one can always try.
To the poster beneath me: I'm not QQ ing, I'm trying to make smite more viable. If it stays the way it is, fine. If it gets a buff, very nice.
I prolly focused too much on the damage factor. I'm not talking about godly smite skills that do 500 dmg in PvE.
Tamuril elansar
stop QQ ing, smiting is a great support line.
Arkantos
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lord of all tyria
Everything must be able to do 500dps in pve. Any class should be able to do what another does.
Ursan blessing sound familiar?
Ursan blessing sound familiar?
kostolomac
Smiting needs to be buffed , but not so much in damage. Reduce the recharge of the smiting hex and condition removal skills , reversal of damage and make some smiting elites useful. Give [Smiter's Boon] the effect that it gives 0...2..2 energy for every smiting skill you use on your allies besides the double divine favor.
Wildi
smiting sucks, it has already been discussed 500 times on izzys page, but he doesn't care
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Toxage
Your conspiracy theory is fail.
wynoski
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Originally Posted by timebandit
Smiting is fine as it is.
Top GvG Guilds running smite support thanks to smite condition and buffed smite hex. Smiter's Boon gave the line some play. Although I am with Izzy ... smiting must be a tame damage line, as channeling on rits should be. Otherwise you get 8 monks running around. And finally LOL @ "...do you think it's fair that one powerful person can surpress a line like smiting? " spilled my coffee. |
Sun Fired Blank
Smite is presently best as efficient offensive utility / prot. You remove a hex / condition and your enemies take some damage. You take a hit and your enemies take damage instead. The problem is that Smite Prayers are actually overly efficient now. The sad thing is that most people aren't seeing it that way. For example, a lot of players underestimate the pressure value of Weapon of Remedy in the Sabway build, and yet Reversal of Damage is very close in function to it. Smite Hex and Smite Condition hit nearly as hard (if not harder) than A. Rage because of armor-ignoring damage, they clean a condition / hex (things that are really quite common), and they provide a large clean-up heal on top of this. Skills like Castigation Signet, Divine Spirit and Defender's Zeal can provide you nearly unlimited amounts of energy. Enchantments like Smiter's Boon, Zealot's Fire and Divine Boon can provide pretty high benefits to your smite stuff. Heaven's Delight and Divine Healing are both very solid party heals that look pretty good with high amounts of Divine Favor, and Smite mostly leaves your secondary open, since you can easily pull one or two points from Smiting Prayers or Divine Favor for a pretty large variety of things like Enfeebling Blood.
If you don't get why Smite is overly good in GvG, why it's a ridiculous template in TA, why it's being used in HB, and why you should be using it in PvE, then you're clearly oblivious.
If you don't get why Smite is overly good in GvG, why it's a ridiculous template in TA, why it's being used in HB, and why you should be using it in PvE, then you're clearly oblivious.
Tender Wolf
Personally I prefer using my monk to do damage rather than heal or remove it. I don't think I'm very good at healing my party, and then if I was with a group and they died the first person to get blamed would be me. I find myself able to smite through things much easier. But if some prefer to be a healing or protection monk, that's fine. I have found no problems with smiting thus far. Works wonders on the undead, that's for sure.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Few use skills like word of censure etc. The line sux at support in PvE, others overclass it.
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Anyways, support in PvE in general is bad because you don't need mitigation with the real imbalanced skills. You might as well complain about, well, everything that isn't mass dps being unimportant.
Though sure, there are some absolutely awful skills in the line.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Did you just judge a class's support value by citing a pure dps spam skill?
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