OMG They are going to buff SF
Rocky Raccoon
I see Guild Wars like a card game. You are dealt a hand to play with, if you like your cards you continue to play, if not you fold and wait for the next hand.
Ctb
Who cares anymore? Just let the little children have their Ursan and SF, the game is already messed up beyond repair anyway.
You want to see the level of intelligence and maturity required to pwn in this game anymore, just check out all the "QQMORE~!!" and lolcat posts in this thread.
This game has been a pathetic joke now for at least a year and a half.
You want to see the level of intelligence and maturity required to pwn in this game anymore, just check out all the "QQMORE~!!" and lolcat posts in this thread.
This game has been a pathetic joke now for at least a year and a half.
Ctb
I want them to actually make the game a game again instead of constantly kowtowing to all the whiny babies who are constantly on about farming, SF, Ursan, and various perceived PvP-related slights.
This constant game of whack-a-mole they're playing with all the crybabies has removed everything that made Guild Wars stand out from the MMO crowd.
This constant game of whack-a-mole they're playing with all the crybabies has removed everything that made Guild Wars stand out from the MMO crowd.
Damian979
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
I see Guild Wars like a card game. You are dealt a hand to play with, if you like your cards you continue to play, if not you fold and wait for the next hand.
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Except in GW, apparently you can also scream at the dealer and fall on the floor holding your breath and flailing your arms and legs in a violent tantrum until you get new cards or the dealer takes cards away from someone else.
edit: then get pissed off that your new cards aren't as good as your old ones and throw another tantrum.
Tom Swift
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Originally Posted by Damian979
The choice of the community to use a farmable commodity as a form of currency is the problem, and now they want Anet to fix their problem.
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But I have an even simpler solution - just offer a stackable xunlai coin that can be both bought and sold at the xunlai agent for exactly 5k. It would completely eliminate ectos and zaishen keys as a means of transferring wealth and at the same time raise the amount of cash storage can hold without requiring any change to the game engine at all.
We would still have the occasional ultra pricey minipet that might require armbraces but that's a pretty minor issue.
People could still farm all the ectos they want but they would be only good for crafting the items they were intended for.
Pandora's box
So who of you will be directly affected one way or the other by a SF buff?
mazza558
SF does no damage. It speeds up PvE and allows those who want Elite armor to get it very quickly. Those who farm with it used different (and just-as-easy) farming builds beforehand. If Ectos went down to 1k because of SF, who would care? Suddenly the Elite have lost their grip on high-end weapons and have to rely on another material to hoard. Everyone else enjoys being rich and buying nice stuff.
Will this drive the prices of rare weapons up? Yes! But guess what? We can farm them ourselves and actually earn them!
SF has no impact on general PvE play. It you tried to be a perma-SF dagger 'sin, you'd be pretty weak due to attribute spread and the lack of skill slots. At the high-end level, SF would only have an impact if Ursan was nerfed. Even then, it's between SF and Obs for use in teams.
Will this drive the prices of rare weapons up? Yes! But guess what? We can farm them ourselves and actually earn them!
SF has no impact on general PvE play. It you tried to be a perma-SF dagger 'sin, you'd be pretty weak due to attribute spread and the lack of skill slots. At the high-end level, SF would only have an impact if Ursan was nerfed. Even then, it's between SF and Obs for use in teams.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Tom Swift
QFT
But I have an even simpler solution - just offer a stackable xunlai coin that can be both bought and sold at the xunlai agent for exactly 5k. It would completely eliminate ectos and zaishen keys as a means of transferring wealth and at the same time raise the amount of cash storage can hold without requiring any change to the game engine at all. We would still have the occasional ultra pricey minipet that might require armbraces but that's a pretty minor issue. People could still farm all the ectos they want but they would be only good for crafting the items they were intended for. |
Shadowmoon
people would whine about that idea because the secound it get implimented, all the horded ecto will get sold for the new stable currency. The rich would loss alot of wealth when ecto go from 3k- 1k in a matter of minutes.
Commander Ryker
Merged the two SF threads. We don't need two.
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by mazza558
SF does no damage. It speeds up PvE and allows those who want Elite armor to get it very quickly. Those who farm with it used different (and just-as-easy) farming builds beforehand. If Ectos went down to 1k because of SF, who would care? Suddenly the Elite have lost their grip on high-end weapons and have to rely on another material to hoard. Everyone else enjoys being rich and buying nice stuff.
SF has no impact on general PvE play. It you tried to be a perma-SF dagger 'sin, you'd be pretty weak due to attribute spread and the lack of skill slots. At the high-end level, SF would only have an impact if Ursan was nerfed. Even then, it's between SF and Obs for use in teams. |
No effect, does no damage... You really enjoy having no economy, challenge or anything worthwhile?
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Lykan
Is no one else sick of the constant whining, the crappy SF and Ursan QQing threads popping up every bloody day.
Just delete both of them from the game and shut every one up. |
mazza558
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Ultra_Speed_UW
No effect, does no damage... You really enjoy having no economy, challenge or anything worthwhile? |
How does this affect other areas of the game?
Lothlorian Sassun
Very good news. The SF Nerf really did nothing to prevent Chaos Plains from being farmed but it did KILL all other SF Boss farming in general. It also killed the ability for Elementalists to effectively use SF to farm because an Ele can't keep SF up Perma. Good news!
Alastair
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Originally Posted by Lothlorian Sassun
Very good news. The SF Nerf really did nothing to prevent Chaos Plains from being farmed but it did KILL all other SF Boss farming in general. It also killed the ability for Elementalists to effectively use SF to farm because an Ele can't keep SF up Perma. Good news!
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They needed to slow down chaos plains, not everything else.
-Alastair
Ebony Shadowheart
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Wow, some of you people are just...out there. Funny shit, glad I put my soda down!
On topic:
I have no issues with shadowform being buffed, reverted, adjusted, etc. For those that don't like the skill....don't use it.
Changes to the Chaos Plains can 'kill' the sin ecto farming, although I personally don't care one way or the other. I admit I've done a few of those runs, but 12 ectos later I was falling sleep and could care less. I much prefer going with guildies, allies, and even some pugs to do it old school style or full ursan. Its much more fun that soloing.
If shadowform is buffed, it just means I can use my sin to farm sentient spores and mandragor roots again. And of course the various greens I'm after.
Either way I really don't worry about it much. If I need it, I'll use it. If I don't like it, I won't. It's called adapting and moving on. After all, its just one skill.
Wow, some of you people are just...out there. Funny shit, glad I put my soda down!
On topic:
I have no issues with shadowform being buffed, reverted, adjusted, etc. For those that don't like the skill....don't use it.
Changes to the Chaos Plains can 'kill' the sin ecto farming, although I personally don't care one way or the other. I admit I've done a few of those runs, but 12 ectos later I was falling sleep and could care less. I much prefer going with guildies, allies, and even some pugs to do it old school style or full ursan. Its much more fun that soloing.
If shadowform is buffed, it just means I can use my sin to farm sentient spores and mandragor roots again. And of course the various greens I'm after.
Either way I really don't worry about it much. If I need it, I'll use it. If I don't like it, I won't. It's called adapting and moving on. After all, its just one skill.
JupiterStarWarrior
Before I say anything, can I ask a really stupid question?
I won't wait for your answer; I'll just ask that question now:
What does "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO" mean? It seems kind of stupid, really... Answer me that question and flame me for being an "Internet newb", or whatever the heck you guys call it...
As for Shadow Form, I don't use it, and so I won't be affected by any of it (although, if it becomes useful to me, I shall try it out).
I won't wait for your answer; I'll just ask that question now:
What does "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO" mean? It seems kind of stupid, really... Answer me that question and flame me for being an "Internet newb", or whatever the heck you guys call it...
As for Shadow Form, I don't use it, and so I won't be affected by any of it (although, if it becomes useful to me, I shall try it out).
Lothlorian Sassun
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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior
What does "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO" mean? . |
It is Guru's answer to a foul language filter... instead of @#!^& we get RED ENGINE
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Ultra_Speed_UW
No effect, does no damage... You really enjoy having no economy, challenge or anything worthwhile? |
Whirlwind
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Originally Posted by Crimso
It's just PVE. QQ when actual balance is concerned, AKA PVP.
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Torabo
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
He's got a valid point. The reason why Ursan is popular is that it lets any class do the same thing. Especially in DoA, a place renowned for holy trinity builds... FOR PUGs. Forget about going there with a mesmer if you wanna PUG, or a rit, an assassin... your average player want holy trinity builds and nothing else. Stubborn little ****s.
Ursan is different in the way it lets everyone in, but winds up as the same 'cause there is rank discrimination and PUGs take it as srs bsns. Bad area design, will not change. |
Seriously, the problem with GW lies not with OP skills or anything, but rather in that the areas were not designed with allowing for all professions to be equally efficient in mind. Especially with HM usually being a blanket level boost, speed boost and extra skills for the mobs, which may also be larger in number. There will never be pve 'balance' for all classes because of this.
So buffs, nerfs for PvE now that there's a PvE/PvP split... QQ all you want, but I say just deal with it. I'd rather there'd be no nerfs for PvE side of the skills until they fix the real problem, but since that won't happen, I'll just take the buffs/nerfs as they come, and enjoy myself watching all the QQ whenever a buff/nerf is expected/implemented.
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Originally Posted by rexalex
I just want my green farmer ele back .... Scar Eater bribed ANET to nerf SF....
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Trader of Secrets
The msg sounds evasive and crypted. It has is ups and downs about SF. Who knows what they gonna do until an update. But tru thought SF has kicked the smites aside and all focus on the plains. I just hope they will introduce a new stable/balance SF that will stop all this craziness of nerf/buff talk.
Ctb
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Originally Posted by Whirlwind
Obviously, what you happen to enjoy more is the most important.
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anonymous
They should just stop trying... 60 second duration 30 second recharge, economy is already dead and has been for awhile so let the people who couldn't get FoW while it was expensive have their fancy armor. The easiest way to kill SF is to make it so easy that ectos are worthless, no one wants to farm something that is worthless.
Wildi
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Originally Posted by optymind
We want to actually dial back the damage penalty so that the non-perma SF users like boss killers and raptor farmers will be able to actually kill things again. We didn't say anything about making it so that you can't keep up SF permanently, nor do we have plans to do that. I prefer to address their ability to farm Chaos Plains directly rather than continue to hit the skill and hurt all the other farming builds. However, keep in mind, we don't want to completely eliminate the SF sin's ability to farm in UW. We just want to slow it down enough so that it's equal to the other farming builds/areas like the Smite fields. - Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 04:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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Azza
ahh, forget the buff, start a sin, abd farm the crap outta ectos, whos cares whats on the sin its just gonna be a farmer.....like big whoop, war and paragon are crappy for farming but u dont see warriors or paragons crying "please make us solo to the ability other chars have"....i could cry and say nerfing the solo trapping was stupid, either way i couldnt care a farming char is a farming char just make one.
MStarfire
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Originally Posted by Azza
ahh, forget the buff, start a sin, abd farm the crap outta ectos, whos cares whats on the sin its just gonna be a farmer.....like big whoop, war and paragon are crappy for farming but u dont see warriors or paragons crying "please make us solo to the ability other chars have"....i could cry and say nerfing the solo trapping was stupid, either way i couldnt care a farming char is a farming char just make one.
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Ctb
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Originally Posted by MStarfire
uhhh...what?
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TinyTheEle
I used to farm smites on my ele with the non-perma build.
I think it's a good idea to buff it, i really, REALLY need it.
I think it's a good idea to buff it, i really, REALLY need it.