OMG They are going to buff SF
Zahr Dalsk
Change Ursan to be a duplicate skill of Mending
squiros
if ecto price was a problem, the simplest and easiest solution would be to lower the ecto drop count. it's by far the easiest to implement. sf didn't need a nerf, and buffing the chaos planes made it worse for all farmers, terras, 55s, etc. the planes and sf should be reverted to 20080521, and ecto drop % reduced, and then leave it.
there's a way to solo almost every area in the game with every class, invincibility is not the issue. the issue is peen size, to which i think the peen wavers should really get over it.
there have been more than a few missions where we just didn't anticipate the enemy count, their skill variation or their position. . . and 3 hrs of work was saved by the mighty permasin. sf didn't just make a better game, it made us better people. how many of us, while trading or waiting, saw some poor guy rezone 3 times, 'LFG for MIS', each time with a more desperate plea: 'LFR for MIS 1k', 'plz help with mis, plz plz plz'; and we run them for free just because we can? i gave a friend a dwayna's grace because. . . he was my friend. sf wasn't simply a free pass to ectos, it enabled us to enjoy rather than compete. it gave us freedom, it gave us opportunities, and it gave us . . . well, ectos too =P
there's a way to solo almost every area in the game with every class, invincibility is not the issue. the issue is peen size, to which i think the peen wavers should really get over it.
there have been more than a few missions where we just didn't anticipate the enemy count, their skill variation or their position. . . and 3 hrs of work was saved by the mighty permasin. sf didn't just make a better game, it made us better people. how many of us, while trading or waiting, saw some poor guy rezone 3 times, 'LFG for MIS', each time with a more desperate plea: 'LFR for MIS 1k', 'plz help with mis, plz plz plz'; and we run them for free just because we can? i gave a friend a dwayna's grace because. . . he was my friend. sf wasn't simply a free pass to ectos, it enabled us to enjoy rather than compete. it gave us freedom, it gave us opportunities, and it gave us . . . well, ectos too =P
Freke
Nerf it so it cant be used at all, then while youre at it nerf every farming build out there.
Edit: Btw retard above me, theres a difference between helping and completely taking over the game for somebody else, showing him how much your profession rox0rs and making him jealous.
BTW, that sounds like one of those... what was it... oh yeah, viagra commercials. "Viagra didn't just allow me to bone my wife, but now I can bone every chick I meet WITH MY EYES. Viagra allowed me to enjoy rather than, well, barely enjoy. Viva viagra."
Edit: Btw retard above me, theres a difference between helping and completely taking over the game for somebody else, showing him how much your profession rox0rs and making him jealous.
BTW, that sounds like one of those... what was it... oh yeah, viagra commercials. "Viagra didn't just allow me to bone my wife, but now I can bone every chick I meet WITH MY EYES. Viagra allowed me to enjoy rather than, well, barely enjoy. Viva viagra."
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by doudou_steve
That's if you WANT to do Ursanway. If you want to join a pug, then adapt to the group, otherwise create one which do not require a rank.
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This is how it goes:
Guildies- Not a viable solution when you don't have guild members on. Get a new guild? Not always a viable solution for everyone, and the majority of the guilds are filled with bastards and drama.
Friends- Same with guild pretty much. Make new friends? Not entirely easy because of bastards and drama, oh and the hordes of people who want to use Ursan cause you don't have to think.
PUGs- They ALL use Ursan, so yeah can't go there. I've seen more req 8 15^50 Crystalline swords than pugs who don't use Ursan.
Create your own PUG that's non Ursan- You spend 3 hours putting together a group cause the 1 or 2 people you get leave after the first 30 minutes of spamming because no one wants to think about the game, they just want to blow through it with Ursan.
So yeah that's out the door. The most viable choice is nerfing Ursan to a state where no one wants to use it, and banning all the people who don't know how to play the game and don't invite Mesmers, Assassins, Ritualists and the rest of em.
Or hell just say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO Guild Wars and forget about it and then move on to GW 2 because can't repair this game with just one Dev working on it.
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by Freke
Nerf it so it cant be used at all, then while youre at it nerf every farming build out there.
BTW, that sounds like one of those... what was it... oh yeah, viagra commercials. "Viagra didn't just allow me to bone my wife, but now I can bone every chick I meet WITH MY EYES. Viagra allowed me to enjoy rather than, well, barely enjoy. Viva viagra." |
I don't think people realize that sometimes farming and finding new ways to effectively solo (i.e. get the best of the system) is the way some people ENJOY PvE. Beyond making money, beyond finding ways to exploit certain skills against certain monsters, some people really enjoy the creative aspect of the game in that manner.
If it's about money, take away elite areas in general. If it's about people doing things alone, take out heroes and henchmen. Playing solo builds is just another aspect of the game and people really shouldn't be so hostile about it.
And please, make your examples make sense.
rexalex
I just want my green farmer ele back .... Scar Eater bribed ANET to nerf SF....
DarklingKiller
I just want a game worth playing again
enter_the_zone
Either revert it, or make it so those under SF can't attack or cast spells without stripping SF (similar to Dodge etc.)
upier
As I have said before:
Teams of X foes of the same class with the same skillbar are bad.
They spawn gimmicks.
Which farming is.
Balance those teams. The easiest way is to remove a few of the foes in those teams and replace them with monks (and smiters don't count as monks btw!). Since the AI is dumb - that won't make it any harder for normal teams - yet it makes it much harder (or next to impossible) to farm.
That way you don't rely on countering the current gimmick - but you rather outplay it.
Teams of X foes of the same class with the same skillbar are bad.
They spawn gimmicks.
Which farming is.
Balance those teams. The easiest way is to remove a few of the foes in those teams and replace them with monks (and smiters don't count as monks btw!). Since the AI is dumb - that won't make it any harder for normal teams - yet it makes it much harder (or next to impossible) to farm.
That way you don't rely on countering the current gimmick - but you rather outplay it.
Horus
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Originally Posted by optymind
Start the protest against SF threads been made anymore!
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papryk
yay ecto will go up 
Sight of Eagles
i dont feel the entire UW farming community should be taxed because of an overpowered build. Reducing ecto drop % would ultimately dissolve the problem, but would make it even more unfair for say the 600/smite teams or other *normal* solo farm builds. just revert the damn skill lol xD
Akaraxle
Add unconditional, unpreventable (i.e. works w/ SF, SB, OF and the like) enchantment removal to every encounter in UW.
Holly Herro
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by papryk
yay ecto will go up
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Mr. Undisclosed
Sounds like a good idea, I'm eagarly awaiting the mega update.
jackerduud
Never farmed with a SF sin before, and never will.
So, OMFG PLZ REVERT SPLINTAH WEPON BAK TO BIG DOMOGE?!?11oneone?
So, OMFG PLZ REVERT SPLINTAH WEPON BAK TO BIG DOMOGE?!?11oneone?
Mouse at Large
Glyph of Swiftness to Energy Storage with no effect at 0 ES - job done
*ducks and covers*
*ducks and covers*
Ate of DK
Shadow Form back to original and Chaos Planes as well.
PvE hasn't been interesting for months and when I heard about the possibility to farm ecto's like that I actualy played PvE a few days until they nerfed it. I don't care about ecto prices because in my opinion ecto's should only be used to create armor and not a trading currency like the community made it.
PvE hasn't been interesting for months and when I heard about the possibility to farm ecto's like that I actualy played PvE a few days until they nerfed it. I don't care about ecto prices because in my opinion ecto's should only be used to create armor and not a trading currency like the community made it.
fenix
SF revert, Chaos Planes revert and make Glyph of Swiftness into Estorage with 0 as the start value.
Should NEVER be able to farm with SF permanently up.
Should NEVER be able to farm with SF permanently up.
Red Sonya
Just think this is also a view into things to come in GW2 as well. 
GW2 will be easier probably. Cmon Anet keep the good times rollin let those hard core go play some other game where it takes a lifetime to get a +1 sword of everslayin or somethin.
GW2 will be easier probably. Cmon Anet keep the good times rollin let those hard core go play some other game where it takes a lifetime to get a +1 sword of everslayin or somethin.
Damian979
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Originally Posted by squiros
there's a way to solo almost every area in the game with every class, invincibility is not the issue. the issue is peen size, to which i think the peen wavers should really get over it.
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[shadow form] (before nerf or after) by itself is a crap skill. [shadow form][glyph of swiftness][deadly paradox] with the correct att's and equipment is a farming build.
[mending] and [balthazar's spirit] by themselves are crap skills. [mending][balthazar's spirit][healing breeze][protective spirit] with the correct att's and equipment is a farming build.
[stone striker] by itself is a crap skill. [stone striker][mantra of earth][glyph of swiftness][obsidian flesh][stoneflesh aura] with the correct att's and equipment is a farming build.
I could keep naming builds but see where I'm going with this? Every class has their own set of skills to solo certain areas of the game. Go outside the areas that these skills work in and these builds are worthless. You can hardly call that "godmode", and certainly not without considering every class's potential for solo farming. Which is a topic nobody wants to touch because it would mean dessimating all farming builds.
Why people are so disgusted that assassins have their own farming build I will never know. Perhaps their mother had an affair with an assassin which led to a rough home life. Or there was a ninja at their school that used to beat them up for milk money by the swingset.
Most people will say "it destroyed the economy". One item does not make an economy. And basing the economy on the fluctuating price of one item whose "value" is only to obtain two items in the game is just poor infrastructure, and is destined to destroy itself once the majority obtains these two items.
The use of ectos exclusively in high end trading is what "destroys the economy" as it does not reduce how many ectos exist in the game, but instead encourages hording. As is apparent in the fact that ectos have not risen in price beyond their normal fluctuation since the time of the shadowform/UW nerf.
/signed and double signed
It's A Me
in all honesty
i dont give a shit anymore, they can do wtf they want
i dont give a shit anymore, they can do wtf they want
Airstu
Is this an Ursan QQ thread or a SF QQ thread? OHNOES ITS BOTH!
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by optymind
This must be stopped! Start the protest against SF being buffed!
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Shadowmoon
FYI, linsey has inform reader of her wiki page that spectres in teh chaos planes will no be ranged attackers, another method of controlling the speed of UW because they will not group up all that nicely:P
Nice change that will slow build slightly, and not impact all other builds. Heck this alone i beleive would slow the original build down enough to be just as fast as smites. Maybe also lower the drop rate as well.
Nice change that will slow build slightly, and not impact all other builds. Heck this alone i beleive would slow the original build down enough to be just as fast as smites. Maybe also lower the drop rate as well.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by squiros
sf didn't need a nerf
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So, being immune to damage 100% of the time is balanced you're saying?
Maxamus Prozen I I
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Originally Posted by squiros
if ecto price was a problem, the simplest and easiest solution would be to lower the ecto drop count. it's by far the easiest to implement. sf didn't need a nerf, and buffing the chaos planes made it worse for all farmers, terras, 55s, etc. the planes and sf should be reverted to 20080521, and ecto drop % reduced, and then leave it.
there's a way to solo almost every area in the game with every class, invincibility is not the issue. the issue is peen size, to which i think the peen wavers should really get over it. there have been more than a few missions where we just didn't anticipate the enemy count, their skill variation or their position. . . and 3 hrs of work was saved by the mighty permasin. sf didn't just make a better game, it made us better people. how many of us, while trading or waiting, saw some poor guy rezone 3 times, 'LFG for MIS', each time with a more desperate plea: 'LFR for MIS 1k', 'plz help with mis, plz plz plz'; and we run them for free just because we can? i gave a friend a dwayna's grace because. . . he was my friend. sf wasn't simply a free pass to ectos, it enabled us to enjoy rather than compete. it gave us freedom, it gave us opportunities, and it gave us . . . well, ectos too =P |
Also SF perm is great, I can run my friends to places or if they need help with some missions where I can use SF as a tank in some cases.
hurdlebeast
It was never on who could farm what. It was how fast they were able to farm. Permasins farmed way faster than any other farming build out there, faster they go the more enemies they kill. The more enemies they kill, the more ectos they get. more ectos they get, the more they sell, prices drops on ectos, high end item prices get screwed, etc, etc, we've had this discussion before.
The community call for the nerf wasn't because Sins were suddenly making way more than monks. It's because the amount of ectos (which were used as a trading currency, chosen BY THE COMMUNITY (not by Anet, like it or not)) that were flooding the market caused the dive in prices not just in ectos, but everything that was based off those ectos. Basically, in a few short weeks the Permasin was able to shatter the months and months of farming that was done by all the other farming builds. And it's not like the Permasin was slightly faster than other farm builds, it was way faster, and way more efficient.
The permasin is still usable, is it not? It is now just on the level of pretty much every other UW farming build, which means that, simply, it is slower. Welcome to UW farming, we hope you enjoy your stay.
The community call for the nerf wasn't because Sins were suddenly making way more than monks. It's because the amount of ectos (which were used as a trading currency, chosen BY THE COMMUNITY (not by Anet, like it or not)) that were flooding the market caused the dive in prices not just in ectos, but everything that was based off those ectos. Basically, in a few short weeks the Permasin was able to shatter the months and months of farming that was done by all the other farming builds. And it's not like the Permasin was slightly faster than other farm builds, it was way faster, and way more efficient.
The permasin is still usable, is it not? It is now just on the level of pretty much every other UW farming build, which means that, simply, it is slower. Welcome to UW farming, we hope you enjoy your stay.
Mark Nevermiss
Only those with huge amounts of money invested in ecto stacks were upset. Other community members also tried to look upset because they wanted to be cool too.
The rest of the community jumped on the bandwagon and used perma-sin to farm.
Ursan/consets and Zaishen chests did more to ruin the economy, if there is such thing, than perma-sin farming.
The rest of the community jumped on the bandwagon and used perma-sin to farm.
Ursan/consets and Zaishen chests did more to ruin the economy, if there is such thing, than perma-sin farming.
Laylat
That's nice. I wouldn't mind going green farming again
Pleikki
I want Uw harder & SF nerf.. ..
Accursed
Let's make The Underworld harder?
Ate of DK
Pulling enemies together isn't hard and certainly doesn't take long. And since they don't run away from you when you kill them with degen (fridgit + burning combo) you won't have to do much pulling at all.
But I couldn't care less. I'm not playing PvE at all anymore.
But I couldn't care less. I'm not playing PvE at all anymore.
Xunlai Guru Agent
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in all honesty
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Damian979
The choice of the community to use a farmable commodity as a form of currency is the problem, and now they want Anet to fix their problem. The simplest solution would be to link monetary trading to your storage and not character inventory thus allowing monetary trades higher than 100k. Eliminating the need for an item with a fluctuating value to be used for trading on a daily basis. I guess that would make too much sense.
Everyone loves their ectos but that doesn't change the fact that their only real value is to make obsidian armor and chaos gloves which the majority that desires these items already have. This takes away the need for ectos and now their only worth is to the ones that have thrown all their investment into them for trading.
The cost of an ecto does not change the cost of an item, the rarity of that item does. Ecto prices simply mean you need more ectos to "buy" these items. In the cases of the rarest items in the game permasin is useless to obtain these. You can't do DoA runs for armbraces or solo entire elite areas for the chests, so the issue comes back to ecto prices.
This is the only game I have ever played where efficiency is viewed as a problem. People scream that they want their economy stable or the trendy QQ balanced, but there is no such thing. Economies remain flexible in order to adjust to change and grow. There is no growth here because all of the economy's worth has always been determined by one depreciating item.
In the late 80's millions of people invested all their money into stocks at Apple computers. Noone told them to do this but they did because they saw it as an investment. When Microsoft came along many of them were ruined because they had no contingency and had "all their eggs in one basket". Did they complain? Yes. Did it change the fact that that is where they chose to invest their money? No.
Everyone loves their ectos but that doesn't change the fact that their only real value is to make obsidian armor and chaos gloves which the majority that desires these items already have. This takes away the need for ectos and now their only worth is to the ones that have thrown all their investment into them for trading.
The cost of an ecto does not change the cost of an item, the rarity of that item does. Ecto prices simply mean you need more ectos to "buy" these items. In the cases of the rarest items in the game permasin is useless to obtain these. You can't do DoA runs for armbraces or solo entire elite areas for the chests, so the issue comes back to ecto prices.
This is the only game I have ever played where efficiency is viewed as a problem. People scream that they want their economy stable or the trendy QQ balanced, but there is no such thing. Economies remain flexible in order to adjust to change and grow. There is no growth here because all of the economy's worth has always been determined by one depreciating item.
In the late 80's millions of people invested all their money into stocks at Apple computers. Noone told them to do this but they did because they saw it as an investment. When Microsoft came along many of them were ruined because they had no contingency and had "all their eggs in one basket". Did they complain? Yes. Did it change the fact that that is where they chose to invest their money? No.
Alastair
Welcome to Guild Wars. Here is your sign.
-Alastair
-Alastair
R.Shayne
Want perma-sin reverted back to pre-buff, sure go with that, I find maintaining a perma-A/Me just as easy as maintaining a 600/smite, W/Rt, 330 rit, 55 necro, R/Me, etc… A revert is only going to affect one group, the casual players, so nothing would change.
I don’t think the qq’s get it or understand the game, the farmers will adapt (been trained to do that for the last three years), the people complaining accomplish nothing, and the casual player is the only one hurt.
As for farming being bad and who cares about farming, please pull your head out of the sand. Want proof of what people do in the game? Then look at what people are viewing on these forums, most of them are in “The Campfire” and most of those are in “Farming”. Farming is part of all MMO and it doesn’t matter if it is instance farming or spawn camping, people will revert to this style of game play to get what they want and ANET has to accommodate the customers.
Those wanting a nerf because of the price of ecto you might want to realize ecto had a false high caused by hording. If ecto had actually stayed so high for such a long time due to supply and demand then we would have saw a stable price increase after July 2nd nerf. If you are hoping that some nerf will raise the price you are going to be disappointed. July 2nd was so entertaining because so many people bought ecto hoping that a nerf would cause a price increase, instead they caused the price increase but the lack of demand drove it right back down. Still shows that so many people actually do believe a nerf will save the price of ecto.
I don’t think the qq’s get it or understand the game, the farmers will adapt (been trained to do that for the last three years), the people complaining accomplish nothing, and the casual player is the only one hurt.
As for farming being bad and who cares about farming, please pull your head out of the sand. Want proof of what people do in the game? Then look at what people are viewing on these forums, most of them are in “The Campfire” and most of those are in “Farming”. Farming is part of all MMO and it doesn’t matter if it is instance farming or spawn camping, people will revert to this style of game play to get what they want and ANET has to accommodate the customers.
Those wanting a nerf because of the price of ecto you might want to realize ecto had a false high caused by hording. If ecto had actually stayed so high for such a long time due to supply and demand then we would have saw a stable price increase after July 2nd nerf. If you are hoping that some nerf will raise the price you are going to be disappointed. July 2nd was so entertaining because so many people bought ecto hoping that a nerf would cause a price increase, instead they caused the price increase but the lack of demand drove it right back down. Still shows that so many people actually do believe a nerf will save the price of ecto.
romeus petrus
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Originally Posted by Airstu
Is this an Ursan QQ thread or a SF QQ thread? OHNOES ITS BOTH!
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On topic, I dont really care what they do to SF as long as they nerf the chaos plains farm.