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Originally Posted by Molock
As long as SF can't be kept up permanently, we have no problems. Lets just wait and see what anet do with SF before we start discussing it.
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OMG They are going to buff SF
Dark Paladin X
sph0nz
As long as the duration is reduced then there shouldn't be a problem with shadow form's damage reverted. The 50% damage reduction it has now only hurts farming builds that aren't for the underworld. If this change happens, then shadow form will only be maintainable with arcane echo [and deadly paradox, of course].
slowerpoke
roll it back to what it was before the problem making buff
DarkGanni
Never liked the 50% dmg reduction, personally I don't farm UW. Used my sin for UW Speedclears and IDS runs and sometimes a few greens that I always wanted
Glad to see they are rethinking about it
Glad to see they are rethinking about it
X89
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Originally Posted by optymind
This must be stopped! Start the protest against SF being buffed!
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Games dead, economy has been f--ked since gwen release, pve is shit, do I need to go on?
Fuzzie
both are needed *Dreams
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
to all the QQers about perma and ursan i give you this
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Congratulations, once you find an argument against the reasons they should be killed I'll accept that you are bad ignorant and selfish. Liking something isn't an argument, it's an opinion and a preference.
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Who cares about farming?
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Anyways, revert it to what it was before it was buffed. It's really as easy as that, don't know why ANet are making it so damn complicated.
Stolen Souls
Wow. This is getting interesting. I REALLY need to remember to buy some snacks. I have a feeling update night is going to be quite epic.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
roll it back to what it was before the problem making buff
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"OMG! Everyone is expecting an SF revert, we'll just give 50% damage! That will solve the problem and no one will ever expect it!!"......ups, it didn't solve anything.
O Nuxtofulakas
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I am the only one who believes this sounds like a nerf?
Next time read everything not just 1st sentence...
Gun Pierson
I think Anet is retrying what they wanted to achieve some weeks ago. Don't hurt the raptor farmers and co, while in the meantime making sure UW isn't farmed dry sorta speak, but still possible. I support that view.
Things turned out differently than they expected. I'm curious to see with what they will come up now.
Things turned out differently than they expected. I'm curious to see with what they will come up now.
Xunlai Guru Agent
Oh noes!!!! we iz d00med!!1
N1ghtstalker
they should make SF like it used to be
with these chaos planes even the terra can't do it anymore
it's so unfair that all those other good builds have to suffer because those stupid permasins overfarm the chaos plains
with these chaos planes even the terra can't do it anymore
it's so unfair that all those other good builds have to suffer because those stupid permasins overfarm the chaos plains
Dronte
What the f*ckin hell are you f*ckin crying about? Read the whole f*cking quote not just the first sentence omg! They gonna nerf Chaos Plains farm, so it wont worth it, so why is it a buff? They just gonna revert the old green/etc farm, and why is it bad? Nothing to do with ectos, nothing will change.
Sigh, people are so retarded here, really.
Oh, a guy with brain, looks like I'm not just the only one.. QFT
Sigh, people are so retarded here, really.
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Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas
ehhh...why is it a buff ??
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DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by Dronte
What the f*ckin hell are you f*ckin crying about? Read the whole f*cking quote not just the first sentence omg! They gonna nerf Chaos Plains farm, so it wont worth it, so why is it a buff? They just gonna revert the old green/etc farm, and why is it bad? Nothing to do with ectos, nothing will change.
Sigh, people are so retarded here, really. Oh, a guy with brain, looks like I'm not just the only one.. QFT |
It's a good step in the right direction imo. Btw this thread is full of Q.Q already. I sense teh lock
Xunlai Guru Agent
I really don't care about SF or farming in general, but I wish they would leave UW the way it is.
Sight of Eagles
i'd just revert SF to its original duration.. this would mean that it's still maintainable, but only with /Me as secondary. Anet were just a bit hasty with their whole PvE/PvP skill separation, subsequently killing the whole gw economy. I just can't believe that with their "extensive" testing they didnt realise that this would happen. I mean seriously, giving a gw player the ability to stay invulnerable permanently is just shooting yourself in the foot.
dummies
dummies
Dronte
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Who cares about farming?
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gogogogogo
Koning
Ye just take it back to how it was before the first buff.
Shakti
Revert it to before the buff. Forget changing Chaos Plains, screw the 50% dmg moopoo, just admit the buff was a bad idea and move on mmmmmmmmkay?
Esan
I would revert SF to its heyday but make the run to the Chaos Planes impossible without killing a number of Behemoths and Charged Blacknesses. You'd have to bring heroes to kill them, slowing the run down considerably.
okashii
okay I will sound greedy but I dont care how much A-Net nerfs Shadow Form as long as I can can keep it up 24/7 on my assasin
I dont farm Chaos Planes (just boring as hell to me) but I just love the tactical ways that perma SF opened
I dont farm Chaos Planes (just boring as hell to me) but I just love the tactical ways that perma SF opened
BlackSephir
I want nerf of all farming builds
graverobber2
it's stupid that they nerf SF completly
Just make UW a bit harder (more elite) and give the monsters some (more) e-denial vs ursan ^^
Just make UW a bit harder (more elite) and give the monsters some (more) e-denial vs ursan ^^
MisterT69
Fair enough, but that means let's nerf all skills that can be used for any sort of farming . [mystic regeneration], [protective spirit][spirit bond][retribution][holy wrath], [blood is power][masochism][deadly paradox][moebius strike][vigorous spirit][healing breeze], all ELE PBAoE spells, [spiteful spirit][spoil victor][mending]-->YES MENDING, for the lulz of course. As well as... [arcane echo][echo][pain inverter][avatar of dwayna][ancestor's rage][vengeful was khanhei][essence bond][balthazar's spirit][vengeful weapon][glyph of swiftness][stoneflesh aura][armor of earth][kinetic armor], and of course....[obsidian flesh][spell breaker], and one of the most powerful farming skills of all...[sliver armor].
Each one of those skills is used in at least one ub3r farm build, and I'm not even close to naming all of them (forgot to add ranger skills lolz, sry :/) So you see, SF isn't the only uber awesome omega pwnsauce farm build in GW. Look at the skills above. Hell, nerf sliver armor if you want then, some of the most elite farming builds that are e/x or x/e use sliver for its massive damage output in a short amount of time.
So if you want to nerf all farming builds, that means you have to nerf the above skills + a bunch more skills for PVE. Which pretty much effective makes all other PVE team builds useless except for [ursan blessing]. So, you know wat, i /sign w/blacksephir's idea. Nerf all farming builds/skills to force everyone to use UB
Each one of those skills is used in at least one ub3r farm build, and I'm not even close to naming all of them (forgot to add ranger skills lolz, sry :/) So you see, SF isn't the only uber awesome omega pwnsauce farm build in GW. Look at the skills above. Hell, nerf sliver armor if you want then, some of the most elite farming builds that are e/x or x/e use sliver for its massive damage output in a short amount of time.
So if you want to nerf all farming builds, that means you have to nerf the above skills + a bunch more skills for PVE. Which pretty much effective makes all other PVE team builds useless except for [ursan blessing]. So, you know wat, i /sign w/blacksephir's idea. Nerf all farming builds/skills to force everyone to use UB
Winterclaw
I want SF to be de-nerfed and the changes to UW reversed. I actually think it was better when the prices were going down.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by graverobber2
it's stupid that they nerf SF completly
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Dark Paladin X
well, i could care less a bit on UW (heck, make Chaos Plains harder for all I care because I'm going smites instead), I just want SF to be maintainable, farm bosses, and have the stupid 50% damage penalty removed.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones
like i have said before there are many ways to get free money in the game with out relay farming ie http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Treasure
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Originally Posted by Sight of Eagles
subsequently killing the whole gw economy
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byteme!
Imagine all the QQ threads when the update goes live. Good or bad someone's gonna QQ about something.
cosyfiep
hm, dont have a sin.....and dont need ecto for anything....so they can do as they please with both for what I care......
Dr.Jones
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
Except that those stop being worth the effort about the 3rd time you hit 'em...
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Numa Pompilius
Farming = boring & irrelevant.
Lishy
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Originally Posted by Winterclaw
actually think it was better when the prices were going down.
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I mean, who in the right mind would care whether or not others can buy ecto besides retarded elitest punks who constantly QQ?
Elitests only want it nerfed now that they made the money off of it and don't want others to catch up in economy because they think they wont be so rich and "cool" anymore.
Malice Black
Farming is for poor people, if you take away their cash flow they'll quit. UW/FoW do need a man sized buff though.
romeus petrus
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Godmode should exist in no game.
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Agreed, especially a God Mode that adds on average 15-20 ectos/h to your inv.
Malice Black
Everyone has access to this "godmode" though, so the playing field is fair. If however this build was only available to the select few, only then would it be an issue.
optymind
SF = god mode it must be stopped! GOD MOD SHOULDN'T EXIST!!!!!!!! SF hurts more than just ectos.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Dronte
What the f*ckin hell are you f*ckin crying about? Read the whole f*cking quote not just the first sentence omg! They gonna nerf Chaos Plains farm, so it wont worth it, so why is it a buff? They just gonna revert the old green/etc farm, and why is it bad? Nothing to do with ectos, nothing will change.
Sigh, people are so retarded here, really. Oh, a guy with brain, looks like I'm not just the only one.. QFT |