OMG They are going to buff SF
Charlotte the Harlot
I wish they would balance shadow form to be useful in general play not designate it as a farming skill like this.
spyke136
i wonder if there were this many constant QQ threads back in the prot bond days...
god mode = unable to be killed
aka...every farming build ever as long as you're not retarded.
why just stop at SF why not nerf everything in the game so no one can farm anything or do anything in a fun way.
god mode would matter if it was used in anything BUT farming solo.
god mode = unable to be killed
aka...every farming build ever as long as you're not retarded.
why just stop at SF why not nerf everything in the game so no one can farm anything or do anything in a fun way.
god mode would matter if it was used in anything BUT farming solo.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
now people gonna start Q_Q'ing about a buff and others Q_Q cuz it's nerfed
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Its the ones who take both sides that raise an eyebrow.
I pwnd U
Meh, ANet has always liked to play with skills. They would change them for a time to see how they work and how they are used and sometimes change them back or nerf them some more. This won't be a big deal, it's not like they are reverting it back to the way it used to be.
mrmango
Farming sucks, it's sad people still do it.
StormDragonZ
I thought SF meant Searing Flames...
Nonetheless, whatever happens shall happen. I'm going to wait patiently like everyone else... should...
Nonetheless, whatever happens shall happen. I'm going to wait patiently like everyone else... should...
Robbert Monga
i want moar cat pics... please keep posting.
Stockholm
Was it not Winston Churchill that said
" Never have so many had so few to thank for so little" ......
" Never have so many had so few to thank for so little" ......
Zaris
Star Gazer
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Congratulations, until you find an argument against the reasons they should be killed I'll accept that you are bad ignorant and selfish. Liking something isn't an argument, it's an opinion and a preference.
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you people that are trying to impose your play-style sicken me. you are the selfish ones, thinking that ursan ruined your game. no, you were stuck in the "DoA" holy trinity farming builds, that ony took certain professions with certain skills. oh wait, isnt that exactly like ursan? HOLY CRAP! ;o yeah...im the selfish one, because i like ecto prices to be more affordable so everyone can get that elite (lol?) armor. i dont want to pay obscene prices for stuff i want. yeah, so selfish that OTHER PLAYERS should benefit from lower economy prices. most of you ursan-haters are nothing but mindless followers anyway, taking the majority of opinions and sticking to it. get moar brains please, and stop following others. seriously.
you, and all of the ursan haters, need to get some sunshine like the ones who like ursan do. get a family, get a job, then come back and say how much you just LOVE spending 7 hours to clear uw, or how you want to sit around for 1 hour trying to perfect a build for that one zone. as for being bad (lol), ive been playing for over 3 years, vanquished all maps a few months after hm being introduced (o wait, before ursan and cons? NO WAI). which, by the way, I did have to vanquish half of a zone, come back the next day, and vanquish the rest.
and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Everyone has access to this "godmode" though, so the playing field is fair. If however this build was only available to the select few, only then would it be an issue.
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/endsarcasm
If a permanent anti-target is really meant to be in this game, it should be for defensive purposes only. 50% damage is fine then. So, get rid of the damage reduction AND decrease its duration so that it's not mantainable costantly, or leave it as it is (and maybe remove the healt loss when it ends, which makes no sense anymore)
Stockholm
Nerf all farming, make GW a game again, not a "hoarders" paradise
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
bad, ignorant, and selfish eh? so you, the ursan-haters, are perfect? because you are trying to impose your playing style on me? because i have a family, and real-world issues to deal with, and not having enough time to dedicate my life to guildwars like most of you do? i am sorry, but if that is bad, ignorant, and selfish of me, then you, my friend, are exactly what my picture was trying to state.
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And sometimes, real life just can't fit in with a video game no matter what you try. Since Guild Wars is online and instanced with everything restarting if you don't finish it, right there it's always going to "require" a set amount of time. You can drop it whenever you want, but you'll lose whatever progress you made.
All in all, though, I find it interesting you're defending Ursan for it's act of "helping the casual playstyle" when it doesn't in any way whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.
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As a final note: You won't see many here taking 7 hours to clear the UW because, well, we're not that bad.
Age
Well if this is true there goes the price ecto down agian and Lindsey uses a SF sin to farm the UW.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
As a final note: You won't see many here taking 7 hours to clear the UW because, well, we're not that bad.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Age
Well if this is true there goes the price ecto down agian and Lindsey uses a SF sin to farm the UW.
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
And we are a very small minority of the player base aswell.
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See where I'm going with this?
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
and good god. isn't this a GAME? a game meant to have FUN? since when did worrying about "economy" or "balance" ever mean anything for pixels? save that stuff for real life. this is a freaking game. those of you arguing against that, need to see the above paragraph.
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I view Ursan as a double-edged sword. I dunno what it was created for, either a tool for the newbie who can now do elite areas easily, or the vet who's tired of taking 4 hours to go through elite areas with PUGs.... hell it could be something else.
However, some people will argue about the economy - Ursan DoA groups drove armbraces prices a tad down (duping and Mallyx exploit did most of the work).
SF is pretty much the same; it drove ecto prices down. A lot of people, being pretty rich, view it was they were losing cash over this and became quite mad about it. Ectos are now affordable by a wider range of people...
Remember when basic +30hp mods where worth 20-30k+? Now they're down and more people are now able to afford them. Same thing with ectos.
My view: stop QQing, make the best of what you're given... if you're a vet you'll get through nerfs, if you're a casual you'll gain a chance at learning this game if you don't leave when they nerf skills. If you need to leave the game 'cause Ursan or SF gets nerfed it's because you don't know anything else and aren't willing to learn.
Note that I'm referring "you" to people in general, not anyone in particular.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
*snip* If you need to leave the game 'cause Ursan or SF gets nerfed it's because you don't know anything else and aren't willing to learn.
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Gibz
Nerf all solo farming... Make UW harder anyways.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And they would've been playing for all the wrong reasons, in which case no loss imo.
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optymind
Why doesn't Lindsey just have ectos added to her character instead of wasting time farming?
Age
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I'd look a bit more into her quote, Age.
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Originally Posted by Linsey Murdock Thursday, July 31st 2008 I have a level 20 of every profession now which is cool. Been farming whenever I have the time. Mostly Chaos Plains perma-SF or Ranger FoW Forest Farm. I have enough ecto and 1/3 of the shards I need to get my Derv her FoW skirt. Still no where near enough cash to get my Warrior her Vabbian though. At least I finally realized that I like my Necro best in Shing Jea so I don't have to get her Vabbian too. |
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And they would've been playing for all the wrong reasons, in which case no loss imo.
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Nerfs? Don't mind, will test other builds or will improve them.
Buffs? Don't mind, will let me do some area faster.
So as I was saying, make the best of what's given to you in-game and don't let nerfs kill the game - or buffs, for that matter. Or OP'ed stuff.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Age
You mean this one as he/she says Mostly Chaos Plains perma -SF meaning Sin.
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
You know what, for all those that spend hours upon hours calculating dmg VS energy use and putting builds together, why not put your skills to some real use ( I bet there is some real life issues where it could be used), and let GW be a game for all to enjoy. Ursan , SF or what ever you want to use.
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Ah, read that wrong. I thought you said "to make GW a game for all to enjoy" and not "let". In which case, no. Ignoring problems doesn't solve them.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Like providing easier accessibility (ex: NM DoA) instead of making everything stupider?
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Yawgmoth
SF should be reverted back to pre-buff, it was an excellent skill back then and fairly balanced, it didn't need any buff.
But keep the UW changes - they're perfect if you revert SF - they stop the only imba build that would remain after the revert (A/Me).
But keep the UW changes - they're perfect if you revert SF - they stop the only imba build that would remain after the revert (A/Me).
Lady Raenef
Change Glyph of swiftness....
There you go.
There you go.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
Is that a real life issue too you? Then you need some serious help.
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Ursan is different in the way it lets everyone in, but winds up as the same 'cause there is rank discrimination and PUGs take it as srs bsns.
Bad area design, will not change.
Sniper22
Ok... if your are gonna leave the chaos farm... then BUFF THE SMITE RUN. I can get like 4+ ectos in a chaos run, and then when it comes to smites, the run seems to take longer and I'm lucky if I get 1 ecto...
Lykan
Is no one else sick of the constant whining, the crappy SF and Ursan QQing threads popping up every bloody day.
Just delete both of them from the game and shut every one up.
Just delete both of them from the game and shut every one up.
Star Gazer
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Ah, read that wrong. I thought you said "to make GW a game for all to enjoy" and not "let". In which case, no. Ignoring problems doesn't solve them.
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
Because people have different views on what's "fun". Some people actually want a challenge, which is, IMO, clearly lacking for the veteran who's done pretty much everything. Ursan did dumb the game down at some point. Most people will NOT learn the game anymore, they have access to an easy-mode button right there. That's what most people are annoyed about.
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the rest of the ursan hating community have the option to not use it. go with guild groups. go with friends. go with pugs forming non ursan teams. what? dont want to do that? that seems to be the majority response to people asking for help. get a new guild. get new friends yada yada yada.
on a final note, i have not been in a 7 hour run or more in uw. I was simply using numbers as an example.
Ate of DK
Same shit, different day.
FengShuiDove
Revert. The buff was stupid, the nerf was stupid, no one whined about it before, and even though everyone will whine no matter what, it'll be better as it was.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
exactly my point. there is no problem unless you make it a problem.
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If it was something that just makes your guy look different I would have little reason to be against it. But it doesn't do that: It eliminates a *huge* chunk of depth from the game. I don't mind if a player wants his game a bit more accessible, just don't make it so the hard portions of the game don't get turned into the easiest. Providing easier difficulties? Good. Making the hardest difficulties easy? Bad. Eliminating class identity while encouraging grind-based gameplay? Terrible. Can you see which two ANet have used and why so many are upset?
You may consider it a "good idea" to provide numerous ways to play your game, but the more methods you provide then the less meaningful your game remains. By the logic of "more playstyles = good", then it should be a good idea to remove numbers and stats entirely, or to allow Guild Wars to be played as a racing game. I mean, it does provide alternate playstyles, right? /sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
the rest of the ursan hating community have the option to not use it.
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Nightow
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
He's got a valid point. The reason why Ursan is popular is that it lets any class do the same thing. Especially in DoA, a place renowned for holy trinity builds... FOR PUGs. Forget about going there with a mesmer if you wanna PUG, or a rit, an assassin... your average player want holy trinity builds and nothing else. Stubborn little ****s.
Ursan is different in the way it lets everyone in, but winds up as the same 'cause there is rank discrimination and PUGs take it as srs bsns. Bad area design, will not change. |
But now, I've experienced a part of the game that I wanted to experience, fought my way through that urine infested hell hole (God forbid elite areas look nice. (besides UW)) and got that stupid monkey, sitting in my HoM. Yeah, I admit, I was an ursan and not a ritualist but in the end, I couldn't give a rat's ass if I was a bear or a penguin or even a frying pan. I got what I wanted, cracked some jokes, had some fun... that's all that matters to me in the end and the people I played with felt the same way I did.
It's amazing how bent out of shape people get about this shit in the end, it really is.
Lest121
Love it............
doudou_steve
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And how you "make it a problem" is what matters more than anything.
If it was something that just makes your guy look different I would have little reason to be against it. But it doesn't do that: It eliminates a *huge* chunk of depth from the game. I don't mind if a player wants his game a bit more accessible, just don't make it so the hard portions of the game don't get turned into the easiest. Providing easier difficulties? Good. Making the hardest difficulties easy? Bad. Eliminating class identity while encouraging grind-based gameplay? Terrible. Can you see which two ANet have used and why so many are upset? |
Some Players (myself included)like when things are done quickly, and i still have fun when i'm doing it this way. When a mission is taking too long, i begin to be impatient, even sometimes frustrated when i'm replaying a mission for the 6th time, i'm playing a game to relax, to get away from my RL which is already stressful. I use ursan when i want to do things quickly (and canthan missions (timed=stress) in hard mode).
Oh and grind isnt required to advance in the game , except for the nightfall campaign. People grind because they want too.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by doudou_steve
Well you know, you can still do DoA in "Hard way" , there is reallly nothing stopping you (except ursan pugs), guilds, friends and alliance are made for that.
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Originally Posted by doudou_steve
Some Players (myself included)like when things are done quickly, and i still have fun when i'm doing it this way. When a mission is taking too long, i begin to be impatient, even sometimes frustrated when i'm replaying a mission for the 6th time, i'm playing a game to relax, to get away from my RL which is already stressful. I use ursan when i want to do things quickly (and canthan missions (timed=stress) in hard mode).
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Originally Posted by doudou_steve
Oh and grind isnt required to advance in the game , except for the nightfall campaign. People grind because they want too.
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Kusandaa
I think a lot of what's going on today was simply badly implemented by the devs.
- People want more elite areas: DOA is born.
- DOA is made for tank'n'spank if you wanna PUG it. Waves of enemies.
- Tank'n'spank means eles, warriors, monks, the occasional necro or ranger...
- Professions are excluded - rits, mesmers, dervishes, etc.
- To cancel all of that, they introduce Ursan. Added bonus for the vets who are tired of spending so much time failing with PUGs, plus the newbies and other professions now have access to all content.
Well that's for a typical PUG.
- People find out Ursan is OP'ed. It becomes the meta.
- New players are going straight for it. They don't learn anymore.
- Vets are pissed 'cause there's no more challenge...
- ... until they team up with people who've never used anything but Ursan and are pretty awful at making real bars.
However... as I said before it's a double-edged sword... if it was made to reward the vets, of course the new ones are gonna go at it and look uber leet. If they don't learn, they'll be utter crap when they're faced in other situations.
A lot of us have been actually learned this game. That's where I wish I Ursan was implemented another way, so that people would use SOMETHING ELSE besides it. I don't know... find a way to link it to /age to prevent new players to use it at its full extent, nerf it, buff other stuff... I'm at a point where I just don't care.
And yes, I PUG Ursanway. It's perfect for PUGs since you don't have to do anything rather than pressing C+1-2-3-1-2-1-1-2... takes no time to setup and the chances of failure are close to 0 with decent players.
I think it could just be more huh... balanced - without it being nerfed to oblivion.
Force players NOT to use it constantly or something... as I was saying, I think I reached the "I don't care what you do, just do something" point.
- People want more elite areas: DOA is born.
- DOA is made for tank'n'spank if you wanna PUG it. Waves of enemies.
- Tank'n'spank means eles, warriors, monks, the occasional necro or ranger...
- Professions are excluded - rits, mesmers, dervishes, etc.
- To cancel all of that, they introduce Ursan. Added bonus for the vets who are tired of spending so much time failing with PUGs, plus the newbies and other professions now have access to all content.
Well that's for a typical PUG.
- People find out Ursan is OP'ed. It becomes the meta.
- New players are going straight for it. They don't learn anymore.
- Vets are pissed 'cause there's no more challenge...
- ... until they team up with people who've never used anything but Ursan and are pretty awful at making real bars.
However... as I said before it's a double-edged sword... if it was made to reward the vets, of course the new ones are gonna go at it and look uber leet. If they don't learn, they'll be utter crap when they're faced in other situations.
A lot of us have been actually learned this game. That's where I wish I Ursan was implemented another way, so that people would use SOMETHING ELSE besides it. I don't know... find a way to link it to /age to prevent new players to use it at its full extent, nerf it, buff other stuff... I'm at a point where I just don't care.
And yes, I PUG Ursanway. It's perfect for PUGs since you don't have to do anything rather than pressing C+1-2-3-1-2-1-1-2... takes no time to setup and the chances of failure are close to 0 with decent players.
I think it could just be more huh... balanced - without it being nerfed to oblivion.
Force players NOT to use it constantly or something... as I was saying, I think I reached the "I don't care what you do, just do something" point.
doudou_steve
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And if you *want* to PUG in an Ursanway, what rank is required of you? I'll tell you one thing: It's most certainly not 1.
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That's if you WANT to do Ursanway. If you want to join a pug, then adapt to the group, otherwise create one which do not require a rank.