WotA has been nerfed QQ

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

10 Aug 2008 at 02:50 - 81
Why did the attack speed get nerfed too? I thought the only reason it became overpowered was because of scythe/spear sins which got remedied by the 'daggers only' nerf...Why not let dagger sins keep the old IAS value? The skill is elite after all.

AKB48

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

10 Aug 2008 at 03:08 - 82
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Why did the attack speed get nerfed too? I thought the only reason it became overpowered was because of scythe/spear sins which got remedied by the 'daggers only' nerf...Why not let dagger sins keep the old IAS value? The skill is elite after all.
Yeah and then buff the attack speed up to 200%, the skill is elite after all.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

10 Aug 2008 at 03:55 - 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKB48
Yeah and then buff the attack speed up to 200%, the skill is elite after all.
Nah, that'd be ridiculously strong.

33% at 12, 13, or 14, would be quite fair, in my opinion.

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

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Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

10 Aug 2008 at 08:07 - 84
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Yeah and then buff the attack speed up to 200%, the skill is elite after all.
Ummm wtf? It already can't be used by non-dagger users so my suggestion or the above post looks better than just going back to square one to a useless skill.

AKB48

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

11 Aug 2008 at 02:30 - 85
It's not useless, you just don't know how to use a skill that requires a bit of thinking.

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

14 Aug 2008 at 01:22 - 86
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It's not useless, you just don't know how to use a skill that requires a bit of thinking.
Anybody see it used at all now in any pvp format?

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

14 Aug 2008 at 02:08 - 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKB48
It's not useless, you just don't know how to use a skill that requires a bit of thinking.
Here's what I do when I think about what skills to use when making a sin build: "Hmm...Way of the Assassin, nah that skill is useless."

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Anybody see it used at all now in any pvp format?
Nope.

In conclusion: WotA was overpowered, OBVIOUSLY, but the IAS being reduced to garbage combined with an aftercast means that not only is the spike only increasingly faster by a small increment, it also means, PermaGladDef (Flashing Blades) is a way better option. Way to lose by decreasing the IAS. I think 33% is fair as it's daggers only. Any higher is a bit tipped off over the scale. Should have left it at daggers only and make the speed buff always permanently 33%. Perhaps even 25%.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

14 Aug 2008 at 02:15 - 88
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
Here's what I do when I think about what skills to use when making a sin build: "Hmm...Way of the Assassin, nah that skill is useless."



Nope.

In conclusion: WotA was overpowered, OBVIOUSLY, but the IAS being reduced to garbage combined with an aftercast means that not only is the spike only increasingly faster by a small increment, it also means, PermaGladDef (Flashing Blades) is a way better option. Way to lose by decreasing the IAS. I think 33% is fair as it's daggers only. Any higher is a bit tipped off over the scale. Should have left it at daggers only and make the speed buff always permanently 33%. Perhaps even 25%.
Useless because you aren't using it properly.

I tried it and the addtional speed and crit thrown into an attack chain makes a huge difference. The IAS speed is just FINE where it is, 33% is on the edge of broken even with daggers.

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

14 Aug 2008 at 02:24 - 89
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
Useless because you aren't using it properly.

I tried it and the addtional speed and crit thrown into an attack chain makes a huge difference. The IAS speed is just FINE where it is, 33% is on the edge of broken even with daggers.
No, it's not worth the slot to me. I also suggested 25%, but you must like the little things in life. A quick prot spirit or spirit bond will throw the spike over the deep end as 18% isn't that much. And I don't really care to have 13 critical strikes in the first place. But as I said, Flashing Blades > WotA

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

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Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

14 Aug 2008 at 02:31 - 90
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
I'd say keep the IAS, and keep the dagger only.

Change the speed increase to 25%.
This, but with the IAS still at the progression it was before. Makes sense to do the daggers-only part, but it's just stupid to force Assassins to grab a real IAS from a secondary, or to use a PvE skill.

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

14 Aug 2008 at 03:52 - 91
This is just like rapid fire. You used to be able to use it on any weapon, then they nerfed it to bows only.

Imo it isn't that big of a deal. After all, WoTA is a ELITE skill, unlike rapid fire which was a non elite.

Kikuta

Kikuta

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Western Australia

[ICE]

14 Aug 2008 at 04:05 - 92
Couldn't care less. The only thing WotA was good for in RA was anyone playing an SS necro. Chuck SS or Insidious Parasite on WotA idiots and they almost never stopped attacking. Tore them to bits.

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

A/

14 Aug 2008 at 04:32 - 93
[Shattering Assault] still butthurts people like its nobodies business, so I don't know why people are getting upset over this skill.

Lady Raenef

Lady Raenef

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

W/

14 Aug 2008 at 04:46 - 94
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Originally Posted by Kikuta
Couldn't care less. The only thing WotA was good for in RA was anyone playing an SS necro. Chuck SS or Insidious Parasite on WotA idiots and they almost never stopped attacking. Tore them to bits.
For shits and giggles I would to throw Expel Hexes on myself. It threw a lot of Anti-Melee casters off-guard.

fireflyry

fireflyry

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Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

14 Aug 2008 at 06:23 - 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
Useless because you aren't using it properly.
It's useless because there are clearly superior alternatives.

Joseph Rejekt

Joseph Rejekt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Absence Of Light

R/D

14 Aug 2008 at 07:55 - 96
Really not hard to beat a sin irregardless with a Ranger. Throw dirt and Lightning Reflexes can crimp a sin long enough for a ranger with some decent punch to take them down before both wear off. This at least has been my experience against maybe 80-90% of the sins i've faced via 1v1 or in AB. Give them all the IAS they want, wont do any good if they can't hit.