WHY do people compare apples and oranges as if they were one and the same fruit and then all pissed off when they aren't?!? Yeah, Sniper is a spell, but it makes more sense to be on a ranger skillbar (ok, ok, so I like to roleplay and make *logical* skill decisions rather than "OMG, I'm so uber leet 'cause I'm a fire-breathing bear monk"!)
Took Sniper out last night and was actually rather pleased with the results; I'd never bothered with it before. The least damage I did was 48 (armor resistance) and the most was 655 (again, armor played a factor). My 10% seemed to always kick in with bosses - which was awfully nice. Now I'm wondering about going beyond rank 5 Ebon. Not much tempted me before this point - too many good to decent skills already to bother with most of the flavor-of-the-month PvE ones.
Why Sniper Support isn't THAT great
FalconDance
Dark Paladin X
OMG, 10% to do +900 damage, that's overkill.
Can you say...headshot on Shiro?
Can you say...headshot on Shiro?
Leonora Windleaf
Who cares if it's good or not, at least it's fun to use! :P
Abedeus
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WHY do people compare apples and oranges as if they were one and the same fruit and then all pissed off when they aren't?!? Yeah, Sniper is a spell, but it makes more sense to be on a ranger skillbar (ok, ok, so I like to roleplay and make *logical* skill decisions rather than "OMG, I'm so uber leet 'cause I'm a fire-breathing bear monk"!)
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FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
OMG, 10% to do +900 damage, that's overkill.
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Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
OMG, 10% to do +900 damage, that's overkill.
Can you say...headshot on Shiro? |
Shakti
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
900 damage to a 100,000+hp boss?
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TheDon
This is serious thread.
Guild Wars is serious game.
Serious business.
Guild Wars is serious game.
Serious business.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Shakti
Where do you get 100,000? In HM Shiro is 6800, granted he has mad skills, but his HP isn't 100,000+.....
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Starmidder
What the OP is not factoring into his math equation is the effect of enemy monks. Sure Lightning orb will do more damage over the long haul, but going against an enemy monk (like Margonite Anur Ki in Foundry or City), Lightning Orb WILL NEVER kill the Ki or out DPS his healing by itself. EVSS will be able to kill the Ki all by itself assuming you get lucky.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Starmidder
What the OP is not factoring into his math equation is the effect of enemy monks. Sure Lightning orb will do more damage over the long haul, but going against an enemy monk (like Margonite Anur Ki in Foundry or City), Lightning Orb WILL NEVER kill the Ki or out DPS his healing by itself. EVSS will be able to kill the Ki all by itself assuming you get lucky.
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Lady Raenef
The skill sucks, get over it. Anet may screw up some skills, but occasionally, they get them right. I'm sure they didn't throw this skill in there to have every farmer in the world take it with them. Just for a 'lulz' effect of "BOOM! HEADSHOT!"
spyke136
oh man i forgot i how serious pve was my bad for using a skill that was amusing...
go find something real to worry and care about. i hear russia just invaded a country, go argue about that, crunch some numbers for that.
to the OP, your math teacher is ashamed.
go find something real to worry and care about. i hear russia just invaded a country, go argue about that, crunch some numbers for that.
to the OP, your math teacher is ashamed.
sph0nz
EVSS is fun, yes; I would only use it in Charr areas, however. Basically it's not that great because most of the time it does shitty damage.
Arkantos
Please stop saying it's fun, who cares how good it is. This thread is aimed at people who think it's an amazing skill, not people who think it's a fun skill.
Sigma Onkoron
You get a 10% chance of face raping them (charr only). And a 90% chance of fail. So. Its good 10% of the time. The rest its "eh extra damge why not" But thats my 2 cents in this. IMO if you fight char. Bring it if not. Don't
Turbobusa
I gave it a try on a discord build, it's ok...
The bleeding helps, and if you get the bonus, well you move on to the next one and hope for the same :P
I wouldn't take it otherwise, way too random
The bleeding helps, and if you get the bonus, well you move on to the next one and hope for the same :P
I wouldn't take it otherwise, way too random
Dark Paladin X
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You get a 10% chance of face raping them (charr only). And a 90% chance of fail. So. Its good 10% of the time. The rest its "eh extra damge why not" But thats my 2 cents in this. IMO if you fight char. Bring it if not. Don't
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Lyndka
I took it on a FoW trip with Guildies along with Sin Support and was every impressed with the number of straight kills it gave me - enough to keep us out of trouble. Also as a Splinter Barrage ranger (most of the time) I haven't got any means of using Ele skills so it fits for me.
The update is doing its intended job, folk are having to think again about composing a skill bar and not just Slot 1= Ursan Blessing, Slot 2-8=any old rubbish skill!
The update is doing its intended job, folk are having to think again about composing a skill bar and not just Slot 1= Ursan Blessing, Slot 2-8=any old rubbish skill!
Rhamia Darigaz
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Now I'm wondering about going beyond rank 5 Ebon. Not much tempted me before this point - too many good to decent skills already to bother with most of the flavor-of-the-month PvE ones.
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Spazzer
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Please stop saying it's fun, who cares how good it is. This thread is aimed at people who think it's an amazing skill, not people who think it's a fun skill.
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Good Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support! You look kind of cool!
Skye Marin
It could use 25% and 50% chance, and make it effect nearby foes.
Piercing damage is not armor ignoring. I hit a L24 warrior Charr with a full powered headshot, and it survived with 25% health.
Piercing damage is not armor ignoring. I hit a L24 warrior Charr with a full powered headshot, and it survived with 25% health.
Arkantos
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Proff
Yes it sucks in normal play, but has anyone tried it on mallyx?
Shayne Hawke
The skill buff effectively turns it into a skill best used on bosses or Charr, because the skill is otherwise unreliable or will do so much damage that it becomes wasteful.
A correction on your numbers, DPS on the two skills is 180 per 16 seconds and 94 per 7 seconds. Skills recharge during aftercast. That actually tips the scales more in favor of Lightning Orb.
On saying they're about even, you're pretty much right. The main difference is that Lightning Orb would be specific to an attribute line and profession for the most part, while EVSS could be used by anyone.
Won't see any light in my bar.
A correction on your numbers, DPS on the two skills is 180 per 16 seconds and 94 per 7 seconds. Skills recharge during aftercast. That actually tips the scales more in favor of Lightning Orb.
On saying they're about even, you're pretty much right. The main difference is that Lightning Orb would be specific to an attribute line and profession for the most part, while EVSS could be used by anyone.
Won't see any light in my bar.
Kashrlyyk
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The skill buff effectively turns it into a skill best used on bosses or Charr, because the skill is otherwise unreliable or will do so much damage that it becomes wasteful.
A correction on your numbers, DPS on the two skills is 180 per 16 seconds and 94 per 7 seconds. Skills recharge during aftercast. That actually tips the scales more in favor of Lightning Orb. On saying they're about even, you're pretty much right. The main difference is that Lightning Orb would be specific to an attribute line and profession for the most part, while EVSS could be used by anyone. Won't see any light in my bar. |
fenix
10% chance to kill something. Why not just bring some damage and kill it 100% of the time? Zzz
Skye Marin
900 piercing damage gets shrunk to ~400 against HM opponents, were most mobs have well over 600 health. It really isn't very useful compared to most other PvE skills and builds. Cool concept, but definitely lacking in execution. I'd much, much rather have a team with Necrosis and Cry of Pain than a team with EVSS.
MercenaryKnight
Well, I guess everyone has different luck with the skill. Obviously a consistent cry of pain from every team member would be better, but that's if the team build is focused around a hexer or whatever.
I did the golem mission in hm just a little while ago and in my first 4 uses of sniper support I had a headshot on each one, then took a few tries before I got another 1.
Obviously not everyone will have the same luck but it does seem to trigger enough.
I did the golem mission in hm just a little while ago and in my first 4 uses of sniper support I had a headshot on each one, then took a few tries before I got another 1.
Obviously not everyone will have the same luck but it does seem to trigger enough.
Pleikki
aww yeah but think like for Urgoz, Ppl usually do like rt/r or r/rt splinter barrage, then you take sniper support aswell when 7-8ppl does it probably theres atleast 1 hs and its effective
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Yes it sucks in normal play, but has anyone tried it on mallyx?
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aww yeah but think like for Urgoz, Ppl usually do like rt/r or r/rt splinter barrage, then you take sniper support aswell when 7-8ppl does it probably theres atleast 1 hs and its effective
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If you have 7-8 people splintering/barraging, that trigger is pointless, as foes would be dead from splinter barrages anyway.
Against charr, you need only 2 people to reach that kind of chance and with 4 it will trigger 4 times out of 5. Use it against charr or not at all.
HawkofStorms
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Please stop saying it's fun, who cares how good it is. This thread is aimed at people who think it's an amazing skill, not people who think it's a fun skill.
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Well, I'm back to an internet connection. Yes, this thread is mainly dirrected to all the people planning echo builds around this which I have seen.
I'm not saying its not an amusing skill to use just for shits and giggles (I said that on the original update thread a day before I made this thead).
Proff
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All it will do is to heal him.
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Snow Bunny
You people do understand that a skill with a 10% chance to make it worth bringing along sucks, right?
Right?
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RIGHT?
Right?
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RIGHT?
Proff
The Meth
Its not a horrible skill, averaging 180 damage + 25 seconds of bleeding (another 150 damage over time) for just 10 energy isn't horrible by my standards. The problem is with the 3 pve skill limit why would you take this over OMGWTFINSTAPWNAGE skills like SY, PI, CoP, AoHM, CA, EBSoH, GDW? I can't think of any build where this skill is ever better then any 3 of those skills. Until they are nerfed skills like this will stay in the could-be-good-if-it-wasn't-pve-only level. Even against charr its not nearly as good as the Ebon wards, which would rapidly outpace this thing.
EDIT: Is it possible for Charr to be hit by +1800 damage? Going by a strict reading of the skill it does not specifically mention that the +10% and the +25% chance actions are exclusive. If so that would give a 30% chance to hit charr for +900 and a 2.5% chance to hit them for +1800
EDIT: Is it possible for Charr to be hit by +1800 damage? Going by a strict reading of the skill it does not specifically mention that the +10% and the +25% chance actions are exclusive. If so that would give a 30% chance to hit charr for +900 and a 2.5% chance to hit them for +1800
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You people do understand that a skill with a 10% chance to make it worth bringing along sucks, right?
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zwei2stein
Okay, lets ignore that 10% silly thing.
It's actually decent skill, and only reason it wont see gameplay is because other PvE skills are much better. Without YMLAD!, FH! and ebon vanguard sin it would see some serious gameplay in discord heroway builds, imho
Anyhow:
a) People ignore bleeding. That is 150 damage, armor ignoring.
b) People ignore its physical damage, which is nicely abusable. Physical damage that is not subject to blocks/misses i shall note.
c) Its spell doing the above two things with all the consequences of it being spell.
It's actually decent skill, and only reason it wont see gameplay is because other PvE skills are much better. Without YMLAD!, FH! and ebon vanguard sin it would see some serious gameplay in discord heroway builds, imho
Anyhow:
a) People ignore bleeding. That is 150 damage, armor ignoring.
b) People ignore its physical damage, which is nicely abusable. Physical damage that is not subject to blocks/misses i shall note.
c) Its spell doing the above two things with all the consequences of it being spell.
Skye Marin
And Orison of Healing would be used, if not for Patient Spirit?
And Healing Light would be used, if not for Word of Healing?
Of course bad skills are only bad relative to good skills, but that doesn't stop it from being worse than a good skill.
And Healing Light would be used, if not for Word of Healing?
Of course bad skills are only bad relative to good skills, but that doesn't stop it from being worse than a good skill.
Faer
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Okay, lets ignore that 10% silly thing.
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Yes, lets.