Ursan usage
Rothan Celt
Hey guys im currently in Australia and i happened to hear from a m8 over MSN that Ursan has been nurfed. Now i can see how ursan can be used again Rangers arcane mimicking Oath shot or air of supremacy usage. So i was wondering does anyone actually bother using ursan now??? Are there DoA Ursan teams still out there or has it morphed back into "Balanced"? Also how are peeps farming norn points now? Im very curious and am still unable to log into GW for another 2 weeks and i am interested in how the ursan nurf is being delt with.
Pleikki
Nah, ppl dont bother use it.
Rothan Celt
Short N Sweet ty Pleikki i might bother to do a DoA run now 
i doubt i will be able to PuG it however 
i doubt i will be able to PuG it however
silavor
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Originally Posted by Rothan Celt
Short N Sweet ty Pleikki i might bother to do a DoA run now
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Rothan Celt
I dnt tend to PuG but my guild is full of lazy dutch bastards so........ ya get my drift
( I love you lot really)
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DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by silavor
No one seems capable of PUG'ing it anymore, DoA is a ghost town. You'd think that at least some people would be capable of developing a useful team again that didn't involve ursan... ah well, it might just be my luck that no one is there when I bother looking.
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By far the best team build I seen for non ursan DoA and the credits go to the Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE] guild.
It includes all the builds and a great guide by one the members.
Shasgaliel
When I am really tired of adjusting my build to a given vq I still use ursan (only on my warrior). I place azura summon, then some vanguard one then Ursan. When Ursan expires I have enough energy to replace summons with new ones. Actually for doing stuff with H/H new Ursan is paradoxally much better for me (full energy bar when it expires). I do not use it at all on my other chars though. I would not use it for DOA anymore.
Rothan Celt
Someone who likes the ursan change for the usage of the ursan ^^ ive not heard of that remarkable! its been QQs or thank gods!
Jenn
Guild teams have already started developing and perfecting new builds and strategies (GoE isn't the only one, but the guide is great, and I'm glad it was shared with the community) to finish DoA in HM again. If anything, due to other skill buffs, Ursan (before nerf) is now being out-performed.
It's the same thing that happened when DoA was first introduced. Only guild teams were succesfully doing it until capable but pug players were able to wrap their heads around it and coach the masses into button-mashing.
It's the same thing that happened when DoA was first introduced. Only guild teams were succesfully doing it until capable but pug players were able to wrap their heads around it and coach the masses into button-mashing.
mage767
The reason old-school players don't want to return to GoA missions is because it is not worth it. The Mallyx greens are over-flooded in market, sell low, and the time and skill needed to do it using trinity is just not worth it. (ex: 2 hrs+ foundry run alone).
However, GoA gem farming will remain as long as ambraces exist.
However, GoA gem farming will remain as long as ambraces exist.
FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat
Guild teams have already started developing and perfecting new builds and strategies (GoE isn't the only one, but the guide is great, and I'm glad it was shared with the community) to finish DoA in HM again. If anything, due to other skill buffs, Ursan (before nerf) is now being out-performed.
It's the same thing that happened when DoA was first introduced. Only guild teams were succesfully doing it until capable but pug players were able to wrap their heads around it and coach the masses into button-mashing. |
I don't think it will take long before players are willing to learn the new builds/options given to overcome the ursan nerf, and start playing doa again, and perhaps ( propably ) even enjoying the challenge of completing it non-ursan ^^
Yol
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Originally Posted by mage767
The reason old-school players don't want to return to GoA missions is because it is not worth it. The Mallyx greens are over-flooded in market, sell low, and the time and skill needed to do it using trinity is just not worth it. (ex: 2 hrs+ foundry run alone).
However, GoA gem farming will remain as long as ambraces exist. |
FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by mage767
The reason old-school players don't want to return to GoA missions is because it is not worth it. The Mallyx greens are over-flooded in market, sell low, and the time and skill needed to do it using trinity is just not worth it. (ex: 2 hrs+ foundry run alone).
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So, ~2 hours full run in nm, with a balanced team, reward is ~2 gemsets? And you say its not worth it?
upier
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Originally Posted by Yol
It's not about the mallyx greens......what do you think will happen to the prices of armbraces and gems when the HoM update kicks-in to include Torment weapons?
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Not much.
isildorbiafra
I believe the HoM Torment thing is all a hype. I dare to proclaim that most players allready have destroyer weps in they'rs; so who's going to add torment weps? The noob that has not filled his yet, shure as hell does not have cash to afford them. IMO tormented prices will steadily decline over time.
FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra
I believe the HoM Torment thing is all a hype. I dare to proclaim that most players allready have destroyer weps in they'rs; so who's going to add torment weps? The noob that has not filled his yet, shure as hell does not have cash to afford them. IMO tormented prices will steadily decline over time.
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flipfly2004
back to topic:
mostly no1 is using ursan now... the reason ppl used this is because the could "tab 1,2,3 - tab 1,2,3... " while playing because u just bash monsters... with balanced team u hav to use your brain O.o
anet wanted lazy ppl finally play the game ^^
try german dis.... ever heard of cryway?
mostly no1 is using ursan now... the reason ppl used this is because the could "tab 1,2,3 - tab 1,2,3... " while playing because u just bash monsters... with balanced team u hav to use your brain O.o
anet wanted lazy ppl finally play the game ^^
try german dis.... ever heard of cryway?
Abedeus
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FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by flipfly2004
back to topic:
mostly no1 is using ursan now... the reason ppl used this is because the could "tab 1,2,3 - tab 1,2,3... " while playing because u just bash monsters... with balanced team u hav to use your brain O.o anet wanted lazy ppl finally play the game ^^ try german dis.... ever heard of cryway? |
N1ghtstalker
stupid ppl use ursan for elite missions
see yelling ppl sometimes in grotto ursan lfg who dont read dev updates (or skill descriptions)
i'm still fine doing HM, i can terra in the duncan dungeons and still do missions with a well balanced team
only thing i used ursan for since it's nerf is a norn tournament, since i got more armor now (play it on ele) i can win the tournament with no effort
the 1 minute timer on ursan is more then enough to finish a round
see yelling ppl sometimes in grotto ursan lfg who dont read dev updates (or skill descriptions)
i'm still fine doing HM, i can terra in the duncan dungeons and still do missions with a well balanced team
only thing i used ursan for since it's nerf is a norn tournament, since i got more armor now (play it on ele) i can win the tournament with no effort
the 1 minute timer on ursan is more then enough to finish a round
Pleikki
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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
Cryway is kind of tricky due to the assas getting hit trough sf by touches, and mesmers arent really the most popular profession in pve
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well anywyas best way i've seen to do DoA is our Balanaced team build, but i guess Pugs never have brain to use it.
FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
Well Frantic, We got em in our guild
well anywyas best way i've seen to do DoA is our Balanaced team build, but i guess Pugs never have brain to use it. |
, offc there are ways to get by the assas taking too much dmg from touchers etc, but thats getting kind of complicated for a pug to run.
Lest121
Honestly who cares about elite missions? once is enough for DoA, FoW/UW is boring, Slavers meh, Ursgoz and the Deep way to F N long to waste my time on 500000 million trips in there, these places are time consuming for horrible rewards even with Ursan i never got a decent drop from the Chest at the end, I stopped doing these areas 3 months before ursan got nuked, also I hated the dumb pug mentality, we need consets, my response lets put together and buy 2 sets..........all the cheap bastards stayed quiet, or Left.
Pleikki
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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Ursgoz and the Deep way to F N long to waste my time on 500000 million trips in there, these places are time consuming for horrible rewards
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Ate of DK
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Originally Posted by Yol
It's not about the mallyx greens......what do you think will happen to the prices of armbraces and gems when the HoM update kicks-in to include Torment weapons?
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Calista Blackblood
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ursan gets changed,QQ ears stream,rivers flood and gem/mallyx weapon prices skyrocket. bliss
(oh look 12chars)
ursan gets changed,QQ ears stream,rivers flood and gem/mallyx weapon prices skyrocket. bliss
(oh look 12chars)
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
Meh, ppl dont get it, Elite areas arent for drops, theyre for Fun, Sorrow Furnance is Awesome, Does it give anything rly good?, you might get purple crystalline, rarily.. Urgoz & deep run take 20-30min, that aint much, Zodiac, gothic, outcast etc, many desirable skins.. ..
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PS:The only thing my mind can enjoyed repeatedly is SEX.
Rothan Celt
Intersting anyway DoA talk is boring me now o_O *Changes subject* So whats up with slavers atm??? Duncan the black is O_O omfg in HM Ursan + cons gets the job done easy peasy but H/H Pugs and 'balanced builds' are bloody impossible to get into it If ur like me and ur in a guild with m8s a few are vets at PvE/PvP its still a bloody miracle if ya get duncans done
So if none of that crap above made sense in conclusion whats going on with Duncan the black now? Im guessing bonder..... Os tank ... and erm.... i dunno been away from GW for so long im forgetting things o_O is frogger still there?
Oh btw what does 12chars mean i never asked anyone and Calista BlackBlood used it in a way i do not understand.... Definition plz! does it not mean can not enter more than 12 characters
(ie letters)
If ur like me and ur in a guild with m8s a few are vets at PvE/PvP its still a bloody miracle if ya get duncans done So if none of that crap above made sense in conclusion whats going on with Duncan the black now? Im guessing bonder..... Os tank ... and erm.... i dunno been away from GW for so long im forgetting things o_O is frogger still there?
Oh btw what does 12chars mean i never asked anyone and Calista BlackBlood used it in a way i do not understand.... Definition plz! does it not mean can not enter more than 12 characters
(ie letters)
Washi
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Originally Posted by Rothan Celt
Intersting anyway DoA talk is boring me now o_O *Changes subject* So whats up with slavers atm??? Duncan the black is O_O omfg in HM Ursan + cons gets the job done easy peasy but H/H Pugs and 'balanced builds' are bloody impossible to get into it
If ur like me and ur in a guild with m8s a few are vets at PvE/PvP its still a bloody miracle if ya get duncans done So if none of that crap above made sense in conclusion whats going on with Duncan the black now? Im guessing bonder..... Os tank ... and erm.... i dunno been away from GW for so long im forgetting things o_O is frogger still there? |
About ursan: stop beating the dead horse.
Rothan Celt
Dude im from Wilshire beating dead horses is what we do o.O and besides i was being overly modest in a attempted to ween a answer rather than start another spiraling conversation on DoA notice how i said i never admitted defeat at the slavers do hicky ^.^ mods im more than happy for you to close this thread for some unapparent reason i was happy with the first reply i got ^.^
Erm i will invent a excuse for you.........Overuse of Ecto Avatars
Erm i will invent a excuse for you.........Overuse of Ecto Avatars
Junzi
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
Meh, ppl dont get it, Elite areas arent for drops, theyre for Fun, Sorrow Furnance is Awesome, Does it give anything rly good?, you might get purple crystalline, rarily.. Urgoz & deep run take 20-30min, that aint much, Zodiac, gothic, outcast etc, many desirable skins.. ..
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DoA is a ghost town, just like the Deep, Urgoz and people actually doing Sorrows instead of just Oro farming. The game was kinda dull during the ursan time period, but at least there were people doing things. It kinda makes me even as a non-ursan user want it back just to fill out the towns. Maybe the change wasn't for the better, everyplace but ToA is dead now. Hell, even PvP is taking serious damage. I still find stuff to do, but with everyone either leaving for another game or not even doing old school it's getting really boring.
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Junzi
20-30 mins for Deep or Urgoz? Screenshot proof of completion time. Fastest I've seen as 1 hour(assuming ursanway, but the screencap was from a monk so...)
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And I think GoE/TAM/SMS guys can send better time.
Urgoz is 40-50 minutes easily, can be lowered to 30. And deep to 25-30.
Lady Syve
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Originally Posted by Junzi
20-30 mins for Deep or Urgoz? Screenshot proof of completion time. Fastest I've seen as 1 hour(assuming ursanway, but the screencap was from a monk so...)
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LOD alliance did Ugoz HM in 26 minutes and the Deep HM was done in 19 minutes by a group from several different guilds. I think all the screencaps should still be there (unless taken down by the person posting).
Junzi
Okay, so it can be done. Just never personally seen it for myself. Fastest my alliance ever did both areas was about 90 minutes even going at a near rush pace.
FrAnt1c??
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Originally Posted by Lady Syve
Lol, I'd like to direct you to this thread:http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10264622
LOD alliance did Ugoz HM in 26 minutes and the Deep HM was done in 19 minutes by a group from several different guilds. I think all the screencaps should still be there (unless taken down by the person posting). |
This is the new fasted elite area times thread
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Junzi
20-30 mins for Deep or Urgoz? Screenshot proof of completion time. Fastest I've seen as 1 hour(assuming ursanway, but the screencap was from a monk so...)
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Elite Areas are really quick. It's simply for the fun of it. I know my guildies get satisfaction from balling up 40 wardens in urgoz and blowing them up with splinter weapon.
The Elite Areas are just sort of quick rushes. Last time I got a good drop for any elite area was about 4 months back and that was a Magmas shield from the FoW chest.
AsyaMordina
I still use Ursan for vanquishing.
mage767
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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
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So, ~2 hours full run in nm, with a balanced team, reward is ~2 gemsets? And you say its not worth it? |
1. We never used any consumables!
2. We didn't have access to EoTN skills like PI, etc.
3. 2hr+ run for foundry alone was in hardmode (HM).
Yes, the new builds are nice for a change, and it will attract people. Also, I really have nothing against consumables - just stating the fact that old-DoA style took time and mistakes were ofte fatal.
Plus, I disagree with your point regarding the reward benefit of DoA. People wouldn't be doing elite areas if there were no elite drops. This is one reason why UW in particular is popular - it can be done quickly with terras and permas. Only very few do UW for fun. These areas are certainly not for the light hearted.
illidan009
Lol at the nerf...I didn't think it would be THIS effective when I first saw it though...good stuff 
Shayne Hawke
I've seen people try to use it. I doubt they get much for groups anymore.