A word of warning to Logitech G15 users.
Inde
I just meant it as a reference.. the link is broken because GWO changed their URL from that time. It used to be gwonline now it's guildwars.incgamers So.... all the links from that time are broken. They didn't do redirects on them.
Test Me
This is so EXTREMELY funny!
Well it's sad what happened to OP - sorry to hear that. But all you people talking about it.
So they want you to behave like a robot to do the diabolic "fast faction farming": zone in, click the exit, press 1,2,3 4,5,6 again again again take quest reward zone out start allover. In order to max the title you need to do this 25000 (yeah 25k times).
OK, so they've put that title and that quest to FFF there and then when you're sick and tired of it (cause it would be absolute-freakingly normal to) and try to automate the keystrokes (even though you are still present at the computer)... What do they do???
Right! They ban you!
That is because they *want* you to sit there and press that key sequence 25k times, obviously! We automated agriculture, automating this daunting and boring task is illegal though. You have to press those god damned keys! So better start pressing!
Yeah... that's how they think apparently... most funniest thing!
PS: If they wouldn't want you to press same key sequence 2 mins X 25k times (you do the maths how many days of same keystrokes that is) they would do something about it and make the title more easily maxable/playable. But they don't.... obviously... as they haven't changed that in years now.
Well it's sad what happened to OP - sorry to hear that. But all you people talking about it.
So they want you to behave like a robot to do the diabolic "fast faction farming": zone in, click the exit, press 1,2,3 4,5,6 again again again take quest reward zone out start allover. In order to max the title you need to do this 25000 (yeah 25k times).
OK, so they've put that title and that quest to FFF there and then when you're sick and tired of it (cause it would be absolute-freakingly normal to) and try to automate the keystrokes (even though you are still present at the computer)... What do they do???
Right! They ban you!
That is because they *want* you to sit there and press that key sequence 25k times, obviously! We automated agriculture, automating this daunting and boring task is illegal though. You have to press those god damned keys! So better start pressing!
Yeah... that's how they think apparently... most funniest thing!
PS: If they wouldn't want you to press same key sequence 2 mins X 25k times (you do the maths how many days of same keystrokes that is) they would do something about it and make the title more easily maxable/playable. But they don't.... obviously... as they haven't changed that in years now.
fgarvin
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Originally Posted by DarkKnight
Ill "Us" my grammar ...
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OT: What is the real reason ANet refuses to provide their proof that lead to an account ban? Why not simply state somthing along the lines of:
You were banned because you HFFF'd for six hours straight, without a break, and you also clicked in the exact same spot, every time and each and every run took exactly 93 seconds, excluding zoning to the GH to exchange Faction.
Really, how hard would that be?
DarkKnight
While it sucks a lot to have something like that taken away. This is the agreement we all msut live by unless someone successfully challenges it.
By playing the game and hitting accept on the little updates when it pops up you gave them the right to do this to you. I don't know if its 100% legal to take your money. I don't know if this agreement would stand up in a court if anyone every took it to that, BUT as it stands everyone who plays this game has agreed that there accnt may be taken away without warning for violating the rules and the sole discretion as to whether those rules are violated belongs to NC Interactive and no one else.
It sucks when your at the short end of the stick but we all knew it coming in.
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Originally Posted by Guild Wars EULA
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By playing the game and hitting accept on the little updates when it pops up you gave them the right to do this to you. I don't know if its 100% legal to take your money. I don't know if this agreement would stand up in a court if anyone every took it to that, BUT as it stands everyone who plays this game has agreed that there accnt may be taken away without warning for violating the rules and the sole discretion as to whether those rules are violated belongs to NC Interactive and no one else.
It sucks when your at the short end of the stick but we all knew it coming in.
Vaal 84
This thread is great. I wish anet would comment.
fgarvin
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Originally Posted by DarkKnight
It sucks when your at the short end of the stick but we all knew it coming in.
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english storm
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Originally Posted by fusa
You are either thinking of a keyboard other than the G15 or smoking crack. Everything you just posted is complete bullshit. You have never even used a G15 or much less know what they are capable of. There is no way of added mouse movements, mouse clicks, or point to x-y coordinates on the screen. It ONLY records and plays back Keyboard key sequences, with or without delays, or start programs for you. The only way to add mouse movements or x-y coordinates is using a program similar to autoit, autohotkey or another macro program, which is obviously a bannable offense. BTW I have both the original or new version of G15 keyboards and have used it daily for 2 years. Its not a bannable offense. Its only the trolls like the op, you and others who want to scare people into thinking you will be banned for any bullshit reason you can think of.
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Am not going to argue with you any more but if you want to see partly for your self add this as a script (to the logitech g series keyboard profiler), assign it to a G key and when you press the G key it will display the current mouse x-y coordinates on the G15 LCD screen. That's where you get the coordinates to use for a macro to move the mouse.
function OnEvent(event, arg)
OutputLogMessage("event = %s, arg = %s\n", event, arg);
end
function OnEvent(event, arg)
if (event=="G_PRESSED" and arg==1) then
local x, y = GetMousePosition();
local sFmt = string.format("Mouse is at %d,%d\n", x, y);
OutputLCDMessage(sFmt);
end
end
Once you know, and have added the coordinates to a macro as a mousemove event you can simply add a mouse click and hey presto a mouse movement using your g15 macro ability. Script is not my work, it was made by someone else
Grj
so a device performs functions simillar functions to what a bot program does and people complain when they get banned?
Galie should of never made a statement regarding the G15 or any other type of device because as they know it performs functions simillar to what the program does so unless they can 100% prove a case they should not enforce a ban. Then again any ban that is enforced the person can just cry they was using one of these devices, it really gives to clear information.
A mistake maybe, i think the op was botting via a third party program and now brought it to the forums to get the ban reversed.
Before people report me for "trolling" think about this;
you only have the op's say so that he/she was using a non-third party program.
I heard people, even people in these outposts stateing how they just obtained a bot program for the double free faction weekend. (So temptation to bot was high)
Galie should of never made a statement regarding the G15 or any other type of device because as they know it performs functions simillar to what the program does so unless they can 100% prove a case they should not enforce a ban. Then again any ban that is enforced the person can just cry they was using one of these devices, it really gives to clear information.
A mistake maybe, i think the op was botting via a third party program and now brought it to the forums to get the ban reversed.
Before people report me for "trolling" think about this;
you only have the op's say so that he/she was using a non-third party program.
I heard people, even people in these outposts stateing how they just obtained a bot program for the double free faction weekend. (So temptation to bot was high)
fusa
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Originally Posted by fgarvin
Damn. Typos are my nemisis.
OT: What is the real reason ANet refuses to provide their proof that lead to an account ban? Why not simply state somthing along the lines of: You were banned because you HFFF'd for six hours straight, without a break, and you also clicked in the exact same spot, every time and each and every run took exactly 93 seconds, excluding zoning to the GH to exchange Faction. Really, how hard would that be? |
Giving detailed information about how a bot was determined to be a bot would only give other bot runners a way to program around the methods.
fusa
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Originally Posted by english storm
/sigh, when will people like you actually learn to research facts before labeling everything as "bullshit" and calling people trolls. Just because you have no idea how to do something on your G15 doesn't make it impossible. The fact remains that the G15 can imitate mouseclicks, scroll wheels and mouse movement events.
Am not going to argue with you any more but if you want to see partly for your self add this as a script (to the logitech g series keyboard profiler), assign it to a G key and when you press the G key it will display the current mouse x-y coordinates on the G15 LCD screen. That's where you get the coordinates to use for a macro to move the mouse. function OnEvent(event, arg) OutputLogMessage("event = %s, arg = %s\n", event, arg); end function OnEvent(event, arg) if (event=="G_PRESSED" and arg==1) then local x, y = GetMousePosition(); local sFmt = string.format("Mouse is at %d,%d\n", x, y); OutputLCDMessage(sFmt); end end Once you know, and have added the coordinates to a macro as a mousemove event you can simply add a mouse click and hey presto a mouse movement using your g15 macro ability. Script is not my work, it was made by someone else |
Painbringer
So will the G-11 be the same (us cheap guys who don’t have al the bells and whistles)
Also let’s make this clear
Standard key mapping is fine
Multiple key commands set to a key (macro) are the grey area
Correct?
Also let’s make this clear
Standard key mapping is fine
Multiple key commands set to a key (macro) are the grey area
Correct?
Tushi
That gm was sitting behind computer and had 3 options:
1. ignore that angry dude
2. send auto reply
3. get a coffe
After 1 more reply he started abusing option 2. for the lulz.
1. ignore that angry dude
2. send auto reply
3. get a coffe
After 1 more reply he started abusing option 2. for the lulz.
DarkKnight
From the sound of both the Blurb from Gaile Gray and the E-Mail that the OP got.
Any type of Assistance, Bot Macro or other type of program/Script that allows you to leave your computer and have it complete GW quests, missions or other tasks without the assistance of a human is not allowed but simple macros to save you a few keystrokes are fine.
Any type of Assistance, Bot Macro or other type of program/Script that allows you to leave your computer and have it complete GW quests, missions or other tasks without the assistance of a human is not allowed but simple macros to save you a few keystrokes are fine.
english storm
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Originally Posted by fusa
That is using LUA, which is a scripting language, like autoit, and autohotkey. I can also create a script with autohotkey that automates mouse movements, etc and assign it as a command to be executed with push of the G1 key. But just because I can assign the key to run a program/script doesn't mean it gives someone the right to run a bot.
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Heloniar
A bot is a bot regardless of source. suck it up and start new with a new copy of GW trilogy pack.( and a different email address) Sorry, thats all you can do now. and don't use the macro that way, just remove a automated function and do it yourself such as running.
fusa
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Originally Posted by english storm
Once again you failed to get the point, all that script does is display the coordinates of where the mouse is on the G15 LCD, the script doesn't move the mouse what so ever and has no effect on your game! The script can be run out of the game! Once you know the coordinates you want to move to, you use the mousemove event that is built in to the keyboard function and make a macro to move the mouse to the coordinates you want. No script involved in the movement, just a macro using the keyboard function.
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What you are referencing is the new built in support for the LUA scripting language. Read here for more info: http://newsletter2.logitech.com/logi...s_en/tips.html You might want to count how many times they mention its a SCRIPTING language. There is no mousemovement event built into the keyboard function. There is an option to run a script. This script can control mouse movements, but so can other scripting languages which are obviously bannable.
Faure
Imo there's a difference between using a macro (a short chained action) and using a macro to go away and let some software(g15 software) do something for you.
I have some macro's set up (resign, panic logout (useing F12+c+enter, so i get into an outpost in about 1 second, which should bypass the possible lag)).
If you set up a macro that actually will do a whole farm for you then I can't see how that's different from any other way of botting.
I have some macro's set up (resign, panic logout (useing F12+c+enter, so i get into an outpost in about 1 second, which should bypass the possible lag)).
If you set up a macro that actually will do a whole farm for you then I can't see how that's different from any other way of botting.
DarkKnight
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Originally Posted by fusa
What you are referencing is the new built in support for the LUA scripting language. Read here for more info: http://newsletter2.logitech.com/logi...s_en/tips.html You might want to count how many times they mention its a SCRIPTING language. There is no mousemovement event built into the keyboard function. There is an option to run a script. This script can control mouse movements, but so can other scripting languages which are obviously bannable.
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Step 1: Somone or Something Writes A Script (when you use the Quick MAcro Key you are actually creating a script, all macros big and small are scripts)
Step 2: Some macro program Decodes that script
Step 3: The Macro program feeds the Computer the Necessary input to Mimic the Mouse/Keyboard Movements BY ACTUALLY DOING THEM It presses keys for you it moves your cursor.
This is how ALL macros work. Weather your macro just hits the enter key or it writes a freaking novel for you and then publishes and prints it.
All macros are scripts, Some scripting languages allow for more advanced actions then others but they are all scripts.
Dark-NighT
meh im good, only got emotes on me macros, nothing to worry about for me.
fusa
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Originally Posted by DarkKnight
You don't get it pal.
Step 1: Somone or Something Writes A Script (when you use the Quick MAcro Key you are actually creating a script, all macros big and small are scripts) Step 2: Some macro program Decodes that script Step 3: The Macro program feeds the Computer the Nessesary input to Mimic the Mouse/Keyboard Movements This is how ALL macros work. Weather your macro just hits the enter key or it writes a freaking novel for you and then publishes and prints it. All macros are scripts, Some scripts allow for more advanced actiions then others but they are all scripts. |
LUA is a programming language, which its scripts can be run from the G15 game panel. Try using it, it opens LUA files, the help links to the LUA programming site. That is completely different from the macros which are just sequences of keys and delays. Anyone thinking that just because G15 macro's are acceptable means that scripts run using G15 is asking and deserves to be banned. Running LUA scripts is no different from running autohotkey and autoit scripts, and can be done just as easily.
cyvil
There is another guru thread that speaks to the use of the G15 and macros, but I have not seen it referred to yet,specifically post #78.
I made about the same inquiry, as post #78, with GW support and received essentially the same answer. The minor difference in the answer that I received was a warning to make sure that I was in front of the computer whenever my toons were active. I wonder if the OP stepped away from his machine, if only for a "second," and a GM received no response after trying to contact the OP.
I made about the same inquiry, as post #78, with GW support and received essentially the same answer. The minor difference in the answer that I received was a warning to make sure that I was in front of the computer whenever my toons were active. I wonder if the OP stepped away from his machine, if only for a "second," and a GM received no response after trying to contact the OP.
Keekles
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Originally Posted by Miss Presler
meh im good, only got emotes on me macros, nothing to worry about for me.
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
want to see something even more funny? here is the report details:
You heard it folks. Accounts are banned based on assumptions that you cannot do a mission a certain number of times. |
english storm
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Originally Posted by fusa
What you are referencing is the new built in support for the LUA scripting language. Read here for more info: http://newsletter2.logitech.com/logi...s_en/tips.html You might want to count how many times they mention its a SCRIPTING language. There is no mousemovement event built into the keyboard function. There is an option to run a script. This script can control mouse movements, but so can other scripting languages which are obviously bannable.
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by cyvil
...I wonder if the OP stepped away from his machine, if only for a "second," and a GM received no response after trying to contact the OP.
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snaek
sorry to hear bout that star gazer
but hey, if you wanna start a petition or something to get the ban revoked
i'd totally support/sign it
its pretty bs
and the support team prolly have no clue how gw even works
whatever the company and product...
i am a firm believer that all employees should have fairly good "product knowledge"
especially the support team...
its just terribly frustrating when the customer is trying to get help from the customer support,
but the customer obviously knows the product 100x better than the support does
but hey, if you wanna start a petition or something to get the ban revoked
i'd totally support/sign it
its pretty bs
and the support team prolly have no clue how gw even works
whatever the company and product...
i am a firm believer that all employees should have fairly good "product knowledge"
especially the support team...
its just terribly frustrating when the customer is trying to get help from the customer support,
but the customer obviously knows the product 100x better than the support does
Grunntar
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
Accounts are banned based on assumptions that you cannot do a mission a certain number of times.
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25...? 250?? 2,500???
Test Me
So if I invent a robot (like a real physical thing sitting in my chair) with a hand and finger and make it press the keys I would have to (those 2mins X 25k times that I am required to max the title)... and even program it so that it take a break once in a while as I would do... would that be ok?
If for nothing else, just to save my brain for any the damage it would take for doing such a task
lmao
100 years ago we used to work the fields by hand, and it was called farming. Now there are automated "bots" that do it. My point: of course people will automate tasks if you ask them to "farm" in the same repetitive way over and over and over again.
Gosh bots are nothing else but automated tools to do what you would have to kill yourself over to do manually otherwise. I even dare say this is evolution and should definitively be legal.
The problem is not that people use bots, the problem *IS* that the game was designed to be played by bots (in this respect, otherwise I quite like gw). So stop punishing people for trying to save their sanity and automating key pressing. No one should be banned for that.
If for nothing else, just to save my brain for any the damage it would take for doing such a task
lmao
100 years ago we used to work the fields by hand, and it was called farming. Now there are automated "bots" that do it. My point: of course people will automate tasks if you ask them to "farm" in the same repetitive way over and over and over again.
Gosh bots are nothing else but automated tools to do what you would have to kill yourself over to do manually otherwise. I even dare say this is evolution and should definitively be legal.
The problem is not that people use bots, the problem *IS* that the game was designed to be played by bots (in this respect, otherwise I quite like gw). So stop punishing people for trying to save their sanity and automating key pressing. No one should be banned for that.
JASON626
Using the G15 Macros is fine. Just use them for shortcut type of activity, button placements. Mouse button as number 8 key for monks, have control + alt be one button instead of two, etc...
But the person was banned because he used it in a way that has a long string of commands to do long term activity just like grinding for his title. Theres not much difference in what he was doing (title grind) over the fact it could be used to make his character kill and pick up gold on the ground to earn countless amount of gold.
Title should be changed to don't bot with your G15 keyboard.
But the person was banned because he used it in a way that has a long string of commands to do long term activity just like grinding for his title. Theres not much difference in what he was doing (title grind) over the fact it could be used to make his character kill and pick up gold on the ground to earn countless amount of gold.
Title should be changed to don't bot with your G15 keyboard.
snaek
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Originally Posted by Test Me
The problem is not that people use bots, the problem *IS* that the game was designed to be played by bots (in this respect, otherwise I quite like gw). So stop punishing people for trying to save their sanity and automating key pressing. No one should be banned for that.
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thats why i stick to pvp
if people tried to make bots for pvp
they'd get rolled faster than the zaishen
Red-Tide
Wow, Anet dropped the ball on this one. Its not the ban that bothered me, it's the way the guy was treated by the GM's. That IMO is terrible customer service. It looks to me that Anet didnt give a damn about anything they guy had to say, and adding that note that any further correspondence would be ignored was BRUTAL. I work in customer service and if I said something like that to a client I would be fired on the spot.
I fear the day I need to deal with support.
I fear the day I need to deal with support.
JASON626
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Originally Posted by Red-Tide
Wow, Anet dropped the ball on this one. Its not the ban that bothered me, it's the way the guy was treated by the GM's. That IMO is terrible customer service. It looks to me that Anet didnt give a damn about anything they guy had to say, and adding that note that any further correspondence would be ignored was BRUTAL. I work in customer service and if I said something like that to a client I would be fired on the spot.
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But if Anet had to give evidence every time they banned an account for botting. That evidence given could be used by the serious botters out there to find a way around it.
Test Me
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Originally Posted by JASON626
Well i know what u mean it was cut and dry.
But if Anet had to give evidence every time they banned an account for botting. That evidence given could be used by the serious botters out there to find a way around it. |
DreamWind
Joke ban. Joke service. Nothing new.
NoXiFy
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
This is not a bitch thread. this is not a whine thread. I have already done my part in contacting support regarding my personal issue, so please, do not take it as that.
this thread is a warning to those using the Logitech G15 Keyboard and Mouse macros that are available and accepted by Gaile Gray, or atleast I thought it was. This weekend, while doing HFFF I was banned for using these macros. I have stated this fact until i was blue in the face to the support team, but they obviously do not care about a 3 year consumer with over 6000 hours logged onto my account. So, the moral of the story, even though Gaile Gray said it was ok, do not use these macros if you enjoy your account. |
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by DreamWind
Joke ban. Joke service. Nothing new.
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Hope you live in interesting times.
HawkofStorms
While botting is "bad," the fact that the only (pratical) way to achieve a title is through 100s of hours of bot like behavior, its not surprising that A.net will ban people by mistake every now and then.
Really, this is just a.net's fault for making such a crapply designed grindish title in the first place.
Really, this is just a.net's fault for making such a crapply designed grindish title in the first place.
Marcus The Cube
Did I understand that correctly that the contract with you was permanently terminated because you repeated a mission a certain amount of times?
How many times and on how many days?
Did you already max any title before?
How long did you play GW?
For me it sounds like you would be playing the game for years and are now just finishing some stupid pure grinding titles using a macro to save your fingers and brain from injury which can not be a reason for a legally admissible abrogation.
How many times and on how many days?
Did you already max any title before?
How long did you play GW?
For me it sounds like you would be playing the game for years and are now just finishing some stupid pure grinding titles using a macro to save your fingers and brain from injury which can not be a reason for a legally admissible abrogation.
Heloniar
marcus, unfortunately anet holds the right to revoke any license(read account) at any time with a violation of their EULA, and they considered the OP's alleged misuse of the G15 keyboard an violation, it wouldn't hold up in a court of law. It is a legally admissible abrogation.