Assassin's Underatted?

Super Igor

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
dude... one run-through of the combo is as damaging as any 5-hit assassin spike. and if the target is still alive, you can knock it down over and over, doing decent damage as well. reapply deepwound too if needed. regular spikes dont have these options if the target survives, and must wait awhile to try again.

it is also easy to restart the whole combo again on the same target or another target, because moebius will usually recharge everything, including the energy boost (lotus strike).

in summary, it is as damaging as a spike, but has little to no downtime unlike most spikes, and has repeatable KD unlike most combos that just have one... this is ridiculously devastating and infuriating to the receiver, i can only imagine the frustration and keyboard-banging agony the player must be experiencing in real life.
No, because your target can get healed, I mean, yeah you will take down a hamstorm or a mwnding warrior which is really good, and mending spam mesmer is no match for you but, you will never kill anything with a monk, and you would barely do anything to a non-55hp monk (actually, you wont kill 55 either :P).

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X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

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i can reapply the conditions soon enough. foul feast will ruin regular spikes more easily, you know.

necrid, that impersonation was spot-on, lol. but the bar is more effective than other combos with the same format tbh. yeah it is missing my precious cleanup though.

Igor, i guess your imagination is too weak to measure the build's power by my merely posting it, so i will PM you some proof so as not to hijack this thread.

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

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Why is Lotus Strike such a b*tch. Quite possibly the unfriendliest e-attack I've used so far. A decent ranger will have a field day with you once he notices this attack - I've had the pleasure of both perspectives...

Unfortunately I can't think of a better alternative to make Haze-Leaping Mantis work

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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this turning into a Cytherea sucks at Guild Wars thread?
funny how that always happens...

Super Igor

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Join Date: Mar 2008

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
who's raging, im always cool. i would like to see your bar that kills anything half-decent more efficiently than that.

You are not cool, and not hot either so stop fooling yourself.

I pmed you some sins btw, but if you want heres one of the more efficient bars:
dagger-14
hammer-12
crit-4
1.backbreaker
2.flail
3.falling spider strike
4.twisting fangs
5.falling lotus strike
6.blades of steel
7.dash/shield bash/death's charge
8.resurrection signet

this actually has a spike, very powerfull and short spike beter than your...thing, has a cancel stance, IMS, IAS plus the foe is one the ground all the time, great efficient killer.
Now, no matter what your argument will be, it would be wrong, for the sake of it.

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this turning into a Cytherea sucks at Guild Wars thread?
funny how that always happens... I agree with this statement.

Super Igor

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Nothing sad for us, just true.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

should have known a cookiecutter build would be posted. ive tested all of them and have already explained their limitations. /snore

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

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unfortunately, the builds you post tends to be even more limited, or more limited in areas where it matters. whereas most "cookiecutter" builds tend to be very effective in every area that does matter, and have weaknesses that can be remedied with skillful play and effective teammate support.

creativity is only worthwhile if the results are actually good. creativity for the sake of creativity is stupidity.

wtfisgoingon

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

Been reading the first 2 pages of this thread. Expected such similar opinions.

I've been a long time Assassin player, ever since the release of Factions.
My Assassin is my main character, I use him for PvE + PvE.
3.5 Years of experience with my Assassin in PvE, both Low and High end PvP.

My thoughts are the following:
In high end PvP, groups are more reliable with a Warrior and Dervish.
Difficult to explain this but like some others who have mentioned, you will understand why when you become more experienced with PvP.

Assassins are good in low end PvE areas such as RA, TA, and AB.
Again, I am not a good explainer but you'll understand why if you're an experienced PvPer.

and finally in PvE. Of course they're good. It doesn't take half a brain to play PvE with any professions.

Shadowstepping:
Why can't Anet tell by now that the "shadowsteps restricted to Assassins only" concept will help and improve this class' reputation and improve their utilities?
I say buff up the shadowsteps and make it accessible through Assassin primaries only. Remove the ridiculous after cast.

It's a disappointment knowing that fact that Anet still hasn't taken any actions to strengthen Assassins for 3.5 years now (or have failed in the attempt to). Well at least a disappointment that they having done anything to provide equality to all professions suitable towards both PvE and PvE, low and high end...

But even so, Assassin still remains as my main and most enjoyable profession for 3.5 years.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Assassins will only ever see play in PvP when VoD is there; i.e Sinsplit, because of their mobility and on-demand spikability, they're ideal to take out NPC's fast.

Even then, I'd rather see most of this crap removed. (We've already had that argument, don't bother)

moriz

moriz

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

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well, the last time assassins were buffed, we ended up with ridiculous a spikes-on-a-stick profession, complete with fast+cheap shadowsteps, snares, KDs, uber IAS+IMS, and really really high damage. i think izzy is a bit leery about buffing them again to repeat that mess.

right now i think izzy realizes that a class dedicated in negating positioning entirely, in a game that's almost completely about positioning, is a bad idea. assassins are now relegated to PvE and AB. at least for AB it's appropriate; they might as well name it Assassin Battles, since assassins are quite literally made for it.

PS: my title is über.
Vote to make this official, FGJ!

It would save me the hassle of answering every Sin viability thread with 'but we rule AB!'.

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PS: my title is über. Titlehunting outside of GW. Some people never get enough

Super Igor

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I agree, Alliance Battles should now be Assassin Battles.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

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Originally Posted by moriz View Post
unfortunately, the builds you post tends to be even more limited, or more limited in areas where it matters. whereas most "cookiecutter" builds tend to be very effective in every area that does matter, and have weaknesses that can be remedied with skillful play and effective teammate support.
that's a nice way of saying "cookiecutters work in hb against dumbass ai and your heroes built to make your spike work."
Quote: creativity is only worthwhile if the results are actually good. creativity for the sake of creativity is stupidity. my results are great; i post them here cuz i want other sins to pwn too. but they dont want to break out of their mold. their loss.

Quote: I don't know who you're trying to fool. We all saw your videos, and the majority of players here don't agree with your assessment of your own skill. Instead of blaming everybody else for their lack of support for you, maybe you should reevaluate yourself first.

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but Cytherea is r6 or r7 glad purely from RA + glad point update. glad7 and 6/7

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in a game that's almost completely about positioning it's more build wars than positioning.

petrorabbit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
that's a nice way of saying "cookiecutters work in hb against dumbass ai and your heroes built to make your spike work."
Compared to Moriz's explanation, this is just more juvenile logic more than anything else.

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my results are great; i post them here cuz i want other sins to pwn too. but they dont want to break out of their mold. their loss.
Yeah, he is one big ego bubble guy, but theres no one to fool here after we have seen his videos, builds, comments and have understood that in reality he is simply another terrible player plagueing the gene pool.

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glad7 and 6/7 But we all know that was done in RA. That's like bragging you make money from working at McDonalds. Still not the same as saying you make money because you work for Google.

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it's more build wars than positioning. The more you comment, the more you are revealing your lack of understanding of PvP more than anything else.

I suggest having some humble pie before continuing on. Your own ego is your enemy right now, and I suggest you do something about it before you lose what respect you have left to your name.

Super Igor

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit View Post
this is just more juvenile logic more than anything else.
cmon, hes just a baby, you want too see how he cried on my PM for several days now in the end calling me a noob. He is always cool lol. /sarcasm

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I don't know who you're trying to fool. We all saw your videos, and the majority of players here don't agree with your assessment of your own skill. Instead of blaming everybody else for their lack of support for you, maybe you should reevaluate yourself first.
The more you comment, the more you are revealing your lack of understanding of PvP more than anything else. Judging by what shit he has pm'd me he has never played any type of pvp besides from RA. Sadly, he is obviously long way from realising that pwning RA doesnt make you good, its same as bragging about being good at AB or that it requres any skill to play.

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I suggest having some humble pie before continuing on. Your own ego is your enemy right now, and I suggest you do something about it before you lose what respect you have left to your name. Currently he makes things worse, I'd say we all agree on the fact that he is a terrible player and start ignoring his QQ.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Compared to Moriz's explanation, this is just more juvenile logic more than anything else.
but literally, that's what the post meant.
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I don't know who you're trying to fool. We all saw your videos, and the majority of players here don't agree with your assessment of your own skill. Instead of blaming everybody else for their lack of support for you, maybe you should reevaluate yourself first.
if you've seen the videos, disagreeing with success when it's right there in front of you is foolish denial. and even more egotistical.
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But we all know that was done in RA. That's like bragging you make money from working at McDonalds. Still not the same as saying you make money because you work for Google. farming ra is harder than farming ta. ta often farms teams from ra anyway. plus you can put all the powerful stuff together in 1 teambuild. in ra you have no1 to depend on but yourself and requires more individual skill and a different buildmaking mindset.
Quote: Havent seen any success there, nobody has.

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The more you comment, the more you are revealing your lack of understanding of PvP more than anything else. so if you bring a bunch of awful skills but have leet positioning you will win... no.


Igor... you mistake qq for something more like... condescension. 8)

Super Igor

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
if you've seen the videos, how can you disagree with success when it's right there in front of you?
farming ra is harder than farming ta. ta farms people from ra anyway, and you can put all the powerful stuff together in 1 teambuild. in ra you have no1 to depend on but yourself and requires more individual skill and different build considerations. Just stop posting, you are raping your cred, kthx.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

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Stealth Bomberman, I play Assassin, and also other characters. All have their strengths and weaknesses, depending on what you are trying to do. I do prefer my Assassin to my Warrior most of the time, but then I hate tanking.

In PvE I run a couple farming builds, and also a common garden variety Death Blossom build strictly for PvE.

The Assassin is in fact an excellent character. It has a bad reputation because 90% of them at low levels are played by people who have no idea how to play one.

In PvP I prefer my Mesmer these days. But at one time Assassin was my first string PvP character as well.

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

Funny that you say, you are a die hard sin while u have him just 4,5 months.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Havent seen any success there, nobody has.
rendering players helpless as i slaughter them is the highest success of an assassin.
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Just stop posting, you are raping your cred, kthx. yeah cuz internet cred means everything... no.
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The Assassin is in fact an excellent character. It has a bad reputation because 90% of them at low levels are played by people who have no idea how to play one. true that.

Cammy

Cammy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

WA

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
farming ra is harder than farming ta. )

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Actually, when I read moriz's post, i did not get the same meaning from your juvenile interpretation of it. Just to reiterate:

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Originally Posted by moriz View Post unfortunately, the builds you post tends to be even more limited, or more limited in areas where it matters. whereas most "cookiecutter" builds tend to be very effective in every area that does matter, and have weaknesses that can be remedied with skillful play and effective teammate support.

creativity is only worthwhile if the results are actually good. creativity for the sake of creativity is stupidity.
Quote: if you've seen the videos, disagreeing with success when it's right there in front of you is foolish denial. and even more egotistical. As said before, your success is the same as being a good burger-flipper/drive-thru cashier at your neighborhood McDonalds. Yes you are successful at what you do, yet you are still nowhere near the success of a Web Engineer for Google or even a Programmer for Microsoft. Comparing your RA successes to high-end PvP is the same as thinking you are on that same level of success. That is more egotistical and an even bigger foolish denial.

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farming ra is harder than farming ta. ta often farms teams from ra anyway. plus you can put all the powerful stuff together in 1 teambuild. in ra you have no1 to depend on but yourself and requires more individual skill and a different buildmaking mindset. This comment right here has pretty much sealed the deal for your credibility, and whatever respect you had as GW player. You really have no idea what you are talking, and your ego is dragging you deeper into the cesspool of reputably terrible players.

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so if you bring a bunch of awful skills but have leet positioning you will win... no. Maybe you should observe a GvG match?

Quote: Fixed your post for ya, thats what you meant to say.

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yeah cuz internet cred means everything... no. Either way, your name represents you on this forum, and by now, not only have you lost the respect of your peers in this community, but also your credibility as a GW player. Players will ignore your advice because it is less than the value of those burgers you're so proud of flipping. The name X Cytherea X and Shinde Kudasai will not be taken seriously anymore, and you will be mocked every time you post a new thread or reply.

If that is what you want to happen, then please continue to reveal your ignorance, stubbornness, and conceitedness. At least you can be a good troll with that persona.

X Cytherea X

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

A/Mo

you can read all my posts in this thread and nowhere do i mention "high-end" pvp. i find it boring.

all im doing is contributing what i know. i get whispers for my builds all the time, from both allies and foes, when they see how destructive i am. guess "guru" is simply a sour, uptight bunch. nothing i can do about that. being "exiled" from this "community" according to some guy named "petro" really shatters my ego... no. true credibility comes from the blood i spill on the battlefield.

Super Igor

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
you can read all my posts in this thread and nowhere do i mention that i can play "high-end" pvp. i find it boring.
being "exiled" from this "community" according to some guy named "petro" really shatters my ego... no. true credibility comes from the blood i spill on the battlefield. Omg get real, pretty much every single guy in the forum knows that youre a complete douche and a terrible plsayer.

Also, get a look at how metroid had fixed your post and hopefully you will get a real true image and not that what you get through your ego bubble.

moriz

moriz

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X View Post
so if you bring a bunch of awful skills but have leet positioning you will win... no.
actually, i have a video that features me doing exactly that. i don't think i'll post it on youtube though, since i recorded the damn thing at 1680x1050 resolution. it's gonna look terrible once youtube done scaling it.

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X
true credibility comes from the blood i spill on the battlefield. sorry to break it to you, but GW does not have blood and gore. this means that you haven't spilled a single drop of blood on the battlefield, and by your own definition, you have no credibility.

gee, you finally realize that. good for you.