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thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

25 Oct 2008 at 05:13 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Translation: The game is too hard.

Solution: We're going to make it easier.

Typical Anet.

QFT, Was about to say this.

"This title is too hard!!!I'm liek uber pro, but even a pve RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO like me can't get it! It must be broken! I must bot!"

"There there..It's ok

"

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

25 Oct 2008 at 05:36 - 42

geez the kurz/lux title already has no credibillity thanks to HFFF, now theyre going to make it even easier to max lulz

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

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25 Oct 2008 at 05:39 - 43

Well, although people are saying "typical a.net" I AM surprised by something. They are actually admitting they made a mistake.

PS. no wonder Regina never posts on these boards, look at the deluge of flame/trolls she IMMIDIATELY gets. I really should just retire from guru.

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

25 Oct 2008 at 06:03 - 44

From this, I lost all my faith in Anet. If they bot-they get banned perm, period. Anet is too soft on this issue.

Oleg

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25 Oct 2008 at 06:16 - 45

You bot you get banned. I don't thik anyone has a problem with that. Using g15 in a way that Gaile had said was ok, then getting banned? Hardly fair and reasonable. I believe it can only benefit all to review all those banned on a case by case basis. Banning an account for life is a huge thing. I wouldn't want that to be flippant and generated through a flawed process.

A player using a bot on a faction bonus weekend is likely very stupid or doing it for the first time. Why would anyone use a bot in an area that will be overloaded and heavily monitored?

If you don't have Survivor and you're going for GWAMM, a faction title will probably look appealing. Try maxing it with only AB. Boring as Hell and will take you the rest of your life. HFFF is, I'll admit, not exactly a bunch of fun either but it's quicker. I have 25 titles and I'm ready to give up on the Kurzick one at 1.5 million. It's the ultimate time over skill title. Not a lot of fun. Give me 8.5 million faction and I'll happily take a two week ban. I'll never use a bot though.

As to comparing swearing with botting, a complete waste of time. Being banned for 2 weeks for botting is not an argument for a lesser term for swearing. Being banned for 2 weeks for swearing may be one for increasing the bot ban, but I doubt it. If someone bots I will only be effected by the GW economy. If you swear in an outpost everyone in the outpost with local chat on will see it. Which has the greater effect? Personally I liked a well placed f bomb. I don't drop it in outposts in the hope that people it will offend will have the filter on, though.

If out of all this the Faction title is re-balanced, then I'm all for it. While I don't agree with using bots, I'm glad GW are looking at this abuse on a case by case basis. If anyone is ever unfairly banned, it is good to see you ahve some recourse.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

25 Oct 2008 at 07:13 - 46

Jeez girlfriends, you are all acting like this is the demise of democracy in GW.
Newsflash - GW always was dictatorship.
But fear not those that disagree with the way things are ran, I hear that Care Bear Island and My Little Pony Land are handing out visas!

Go for it!

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

25 Oct 2008 at 07:24 - 47

I find it funny that a few well-known leeches in Fort Aspenwood have been able to get away with leeching for over a year.....literally.

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

Aussie Trolling Crew - Spah!

25 Oct 2008 at 07:38 - 48

Now, I'm real tired and still a little tipsy... but didn't they say that after an account was terminated, that was the end?

MirkoTeran

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25 Oct 2008 at 08:02 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The Live Team is currently working hard to rebalance these titles so that players will not feel as if they need bots to earn them.

That will be a nice f*** you to all the players earning the titles before the update. Way to go.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

25 Oct 2008 at 08:06 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

That will be a nice f*** you to all the players earning the titles before the update. Way to go.

No one cares, the game was never about grinding anything.

Kusandaa

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Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

25 Oct 2008 at 08:21 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

That will be a nice f*** you to all the players earning the titles before the update. Way to go.

It's exactly that attitude that annoys me - If you do something and don't have fun, why bother doing it? It's a freaking game. (I'm speaking as someone who bought a mini Naga for 227e, then seeing the prices go down to 100k+70e 2 weeks after - waste of money but no big deal at the same time, it's a game...).

Just the same as I wouldn't be mad at ANet for introducing a magic Vanquish Everything button. Wouldn't have any challenge, would have long dumped the game...

In all honesty, botting doesn't affect me personally so it's not my own top priority. Unfair, yes, but if you need a bot to do something, it means you don't wanna work for it, therefore shouldn't be able to get the results. I'd be more focused on banning major exploit users, extremely rude people, leechers and griefers.

Marxon Aurion

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In my 40/40.

Brave And Strong Guild [FGJ]

25 Oct 2008 at 08:45 - 52

The only reason people use bots here, is because of the way to achieve the faction. Meaning if you would just disable the use of faction in quests it will just become a (with not that much skill involved, but still not that botable) a PvP title, just like the other titles you generally aren't able to max. By the way, they weren't meant to be maxed.

upier

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25 Oct 2008 at 08:53 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marxon Aurion

The only reason people use bots here, is because of the way to achieve the faction. Meaning if you would just disable the use of faction in quests it will just become a (with not that much skill involved, but still not that botable) a PvP title, just like the other titles you generally aren't able to max. By the way, they weren't meant to be maxed.

Linking PvE only skills to the title suggests otherwise ...

PyrAnkh

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25 Oct 2008 at 09:43 - 54

I don't see how people think it is an achievement that you can do the same thing over and over for hundreds of hours.

So make this title more fun to achieve or make it easier.

All the people that are QQing about how their r12 is being devalued now, i can do nothing but smile at all the hours you put into this as if it means anything.

fgarvin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

25 Oct 2008 at 09:44 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by False Healer

It is not okay to say filtered words in game ever...

Whatever, dude. Unless ANet supplies its players with a list of these super naughty words, the player can not reasonably be expected to be able to follow UA. Are there different lists/rules depending a on server's region?

"Fag" is bad, right? Is it bad on a Euro server? Would I even know if a Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Brazilian/Thai/Polish player used a bad word? I've played in the German districts, and I'll be damned if I know if anyone used a bad word or went by an offensive name.

ANet, give us the lists, or don't enforce the rules.

And for all of you who spent less than a second thinking about the above statement and came up with the brilliant idea that doing that would allow people to walk the fine line between using good and bad words/names, think longer....

On topic: Who cares about bots...they're not hurting other players in any way. With regards to HFFF, one would have to bot 24/7 on several accounts for a very long period of time to have even the smallest impact on the GW economy.

Thierry2

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25 Oct 2008 at 09:45 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

While we do not condone the use of bots, this portion of the game is so unbalanced and difficult, that a few players may have felt they had no other choice.

In this specific instance, the team has decided to convert account terminations to two-week suspensions. This will be on an individual, case-by-case basis, and is expected to take several days. They do not foresee making an exception like this again in the future.

The Live Team is currently working hard to rebalance these titles so that players will not feel as if they need bots to earn them. These title rebalance changes are expected to be integrated into the game with the next big game update.

This is ridiculous.....
I normally wouldn't care about any updates as i'm playing another game anyway but this is just stupid.. Now you giving people the idea its ok to bot ..
Theres enough people that did get the title without botting and after all these years you now decide to make the title easier? There is NOTHING difficult about this title it just takes patience.. and there are people out there that got it by doing AB only..
Also.. the bots probably don't do it for the factions but for the money..

Avarre

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25 Oct 2008 at 09:55 - 57

Did nowhere in this high-level staff meeting the idea 'mass grind titles are stupid' get thrown around?

If players doing the title aren't willing to even play your game to get it, then perhaps there's a problem!

Sweet Mystery

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25 Oct 2008 at 10:16 - 58

Botting is botting.... I hope if they get caught again they are terminated. Botting is against EULA and should be stopped.

If your prepared to go against the EULA, you have already accepted there may be consequences....

Thierry2

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25 Oct 2008 at 10:21 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery

Botting is botting.... I hope if they get caught again they are terminated. Botting is against EULA and should be stopped.

If your prepared to go against the EULA, you have already accepted there may be consequences....

Imo they should be terminated already.. not the next time.
You can't perma ban people for botting and then after 3 years+ of the game you find out the title might be to hard (which it's not) and you think it's 'ok' that the people were using bots for it.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

25 Oct 2008 at 10:24 - 60

It is sad to see that a very plausible explaination was given on the first page, but got ignored, so that people can make unwarrented assumptions.

maraxusofk

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25 Oct 2008 at 10:39 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

It is sad to see that a very plausible explaination was given on the first page, but got ignored, so that people can make unwarrented assumptions.

yeah it is unfortunate because it appears that most of guru cant read. oh and another explanation was posted on 2nd page. meh

makosi

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25 Oct 2008 at 10:39 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Translation: The game is too hard.

Solution: We're going to make it easier.

Typical Anet.

Nobody said or implied that HFFF was hard to do. It's just and incredibly boring, mundane, grindy and repetitive process of point farming that contradicts GW's ethos.

The title is difficult to earn because of the sheer length of time required.

McMullen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/W

25 Oct 2008 at 10:39 - 63

People should have a bit of trust in Anet to look through each case individually. Like someone said before, they simply could have been using G15 or whatever it's called, which Gaile said was okay to use.. Hopefully the accounts that have been botting for ages will get perma-banned.

Stuart444

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25 Oct 2008 at 10:46 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusandaa

It's exactly that attitude that annoys me - If you do something and don't have fun, why bother doing it? It's a freaking game. (I'm speaking as someone who bought a mini Naga for 227e, then seeing the prices go down to 100k+70e 2 weeks after - waste of money but no big deal at the same time, it's a game...).

Just the same as I wouldn't be mad at ANet for introducing a magic Vanquish Everything button. Wouldn't have any challenge, would have long dumped the game...

In all honesty, botting doesn't affect me personally so it's not my own top priority. Unfair, yes, but if you need a bot to do something, it means you don't wanna work for it, therefore shouldn't be able to get the results. I'd be more focused on banning major exploit users, extremely rude people, leechers and griefers.

So much truth in this post, it is a game, if you don't have fun doing something, then don't do it. Games are supposed to be for fun remember ^_^

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMullen

People should have a bit of trust in Anet to look through each case individually. Like someone said before, they simply could have been using G15 or whatever it's called, which Gaile said was okay to use.. Hopefully the accounts that have been botting for ages will get perma-banned.

People here trusting Anet? lol that's a good one >_>

that said I have plenty of trust in Anet myself ^^

sykoone

Jungle Guide

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25 Oct 2008 at 11:18 - 65

For those who want to instantly condemn Anet for this, lets actually read what she's saying first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

A few players felt compelled to use of bots to earn points toward these titles during the special weekend event.

This action is focusing on those caught during the weekend. Probably means first time botters or casual players hoping to make good progress on an insanely long title.

Quote:

In this specific instance, the team has decided to convert account terminations to two-week suspensions. This will be on an individual, case-by-case basis, and is expected to take several days. They do not foresee making an exception like this again in the future.

This is a one time only warning for first time botters.

Quote:

The Live Team is currently working hard to rebalance these titles so that players will not feel as if they need bots to earn them. These title rebalance changes are expected to be integrated into the game with the next big game update.

They realize finally that they screwed up and are going to fix the mistake. Not like it's the first time it has happened, and probably won't be the last.

So before all of you go off the deep end saying Anet condones botting, remember that this is a warning to the casual gamers who gave in to temptation during the weekend event. No where does it say they are relaxing any of their other bot detection techniques, or are going to allow botting to continue.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

25 Oct 2008 at 11:29 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

For those who want to instantly condemn Anet for this, lets actually read what she's saying first.

This action is focusing on those caught during the weekend. Probably means first time botters or casual players hoping to make good progress on an insanely long title.

You assume this - based on no evidence to back this up - could just as easily be "first time caught on that IP"

Quote:

This is a one time only warning for first time botters.

As much as I hate to say it, this is unfair to anyone else who has been permabanned as a "first time botter". who knows if people got banned before using a G15 or equivalent? I dont, you dont and Im sure anet dont.

Quote:

So before all of you go off the deep end saying Anet condones botting, remember that this is a warning to the casual gamers who gave in to temptation during the weekend event. No where does it say they are relaxing any of their other bot detection techniques, or are going to allow botting to continue.

So what about the person using a G15 that doesnt read guru? Are they to be perma banned because they didnt know? Sorry - a one time thing doesnt work.

Fay Vert

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25 Oct 2008 at 11:40 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

That said, the design team is aware that earning the Kurzick and Luxon titles is almost impossible to achieve through normal play.

Then change them to be earnable through normal play and cease this sucky grind based game design philosophy that has ruined a once great game.

Also sack the idiot who thought it would be a good use of valuble support resources to impose this grind bot ban in the first place.

STOP FREAKING SUCKING SO BAD ANET

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

25 Oct 2008 at 13:05 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Then change them to be earnable through normal play and cease this sucky grind based game design philosophy that has ruined a once great game.

well, duh... that's the plan

Quote:

Believe me when I say that this is only a teeny tiny piece of the update that is coming and that the FFF won't be the best way to get the title when I am through. - Linsey talk 18:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Dzan

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25 Oct 2008 at 13:16 - 69

Great lets reward the people who are too lazy to code a good bot.

Fril Estelin

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25 Oct 2008 at 13:27 - 70

Although I found this annoucement quite surprising, I must say that there's an important point of Regina posts that people seemed to have overlooked:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

This will be on an individual, case-by-case basis

I'm not sure if it's more fair since some people may not have done that as a habit (constantly using bots), but just because there was a double points week-end and the title is indeed quite hard to max, or if it's more unfair to all the people who behaved the same way before the double pointsd week-end. It's good the see something happening, but not sure if it's that good.

Most importantly, it seems to send a mixed message to the community. She clearly indicated that "we do not condone the use of bots", yet the rule has been broken on this one instance, based on the quite amazing acknowledgement that "this portion of the game is so unbalanced and difficult". That short statement alone make me wonder whether there's something wrong on the way that Anet perceives "difficulty", or we're simply wrong in our perception of the whole "community" (i.e., Guru is not representative).

I'd like to see similar annoucements on the topic of GW2, along the lines of "While we will not release any significant information about GW2, the GW1 community has grown so impatient that we feel we should release some kind of information"...

Shayne Hawke

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25 Oct 2008 at 13:33 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

PS. no wonder Regina never posts on these boards, look at the deluge of flame/trolls she IMMIDIATELY gets. I really should just retire from guru. Everybody has become Zinger

In defense of Regina, I'd say that if any reputable enough source or member of ANet staff made this statement, everyone would rage just as much. Likewise, in the past when Regina has brought us positive news, many have expressed gratitude for sharing that information with us. A different person would have resulted in the same reaction.

Regina isn't important here. The fact that people facing account termination are getting back on GW is what everyone should be upset about.

Tactical-Dillusions

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:16 - 72

I'm on ArenaNets side on this one. ArenaNet created a problem, albeit by accident, by making certain titles difficult. They are merely sympathising with the botters, who want to play to get titles without being forced into demoralising sweatshop conditions... therefore they bot.
They want to send out a message that botting is wrong, but also not be too hard because they technically forced them into that style of "play".

GG Anet.

However, i do pity those who miss out on Halloween because of what they have done. Perhaps Anet next time could punish players by stopping all drops and quest rewards for X period, if known to be using a faction bot.

I would like to see more done to BAN those who leech/leave in Aspenword though. They are seriously annoying and ruin the game for everyone.

Anet - please punish quitters and leechers! Delete a skill, make them lose 1k faction, give them an attribute point reduction... something.

MithranArkanere

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:23 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

This is a joke right, I got a two week ban for use the f word, and they botted and get the same sentence, sigh.

EDIT: and the only way i get to experience the halloween event is reading about it on guru.

They got that ban because they botten only there, and only far that.
I assure you that those whom botted for anything else too received the usual permanent ban.

They know that the fault is part theirs, so the punishment was not capital. That's all.

FrAnt1c??

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:35 - 74

Who... Cares ... Seriously...

Robbert Monga

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:41 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Translation: The game is too hard.

Solution: We're going to make it easier.

Typical Anet.

/signed

And what about those people who already got their r12? Spit in their faces, nothing less. And yes, I do know whole bunch of people who earned their r12 by means of AB only with zero FFF involved.

NoXiFy

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:45 - 76

Just lost all hope in Guild Wars. Are they promoting botting now? I HATE botters, FYI anet, not only do they ruin the title, but also the in-game economy! These kids can easily get over 100k an hour botting. Person charges 100g per person X 3 people, 300g. 300 + his 125 = 425g a run. 25 runs for max faction = 10,625gold per ~27mins. Thats over 21k an hour on one account. Most botters run 4 or 5 from what I've seen.

Vic

Krytan Explorer

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25 Oct 2008 at 14:52 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

They got that ban because they botten only there, and only far that.
I assure you that those whom botted for anything else too received the usual permanent ban.

They know that the fault is part theirs, so the punishment was not capital. That's all.

I felt it was too hard to buy all those trick or treat bags, so I had to bot to get money, please change it to a 2 week ban..

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Oct 2008 at 15:09 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

And what about those people who already got their r12? Spit in their faces, nothing less. And yes, I do know whole bunch of people who earned their r12 by means of AB only with zero FFF involved.

So they earned the title fair and square. *That* is something nobody can take away from them. For the rest of their life, they'll be able to stand proud and tall and say: "I earned my Faction title".

Of course, whether that is worth spending 1000 hours clicking the same 3 buttons is another thing.

Darkobra

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:14 - 79

Why are people saying "So change it!"? Did they not read the second half of the post or was it too long for them?

Solas

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:22 - 80

Proberly said already they should enfore rules agaisnt hfff botting even when its not a special weekend....