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upier

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:28 - 81

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Originally Posted by Antheus

So they earned the title fair and square. *That* is something nobody can take away from them. For the rest of their life, they'll be able to stand proud and tall and say: "I earned my Faction title".

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Originally Posted by Dzan

Great lets reward the people who are too lazy to code a good bot.

Two winners in the same thread!
I am SO subscribing to this thread!

Arkantos

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:30 - 82

So because they used a bot for something ANet made impossible to achieve in normal gameplay, you're letting them off?

I think this is one of the stupidest things ANet has done. Amazing job at enforcing your rules, guys. You deserve an award or something.

the_jos

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:40 - 83

It's fairly easy to say 'the law is the law' and have people punished for it.
However, if I do 25.000 HFFF runs I would also be 'botting', only this time I would sit at my desk, numb from repeating the same boring 2 minute thingy over and over again.
And if it's doing the same thing over and over, why not automating it?

There is no reasonable alternative for (H)FFF if you want max Kurz (and maybe Luxon) in a fair amount of time. Let's say the average Kurz run takes 60 seconds.
Meaning getting max by HFFF only would take about 400 hours of pure grind.
That's 17 days full-time. Now let's say you play 6 hours/day instead of 24 (not all of us are Koreans) and we have 70 days, roughly 2.5 month.
Fair, but I'd rather spend that time doing something else in the game. And if I spend that same 2.5 months in JQ, I'd have 100K faction (lucky to get in once in a while and win), 200-400K in Aspen and maybe 750K-1M by vanquishing. The best alternative would be AB, specially with some double faction weekends. However, it doesn't come close to HFFF.

As long as there is no real alternative for HFFF and the way HFFF works remains bot-able, the problem will remain present.

As developer I would ask myself: why on earth would so many players do the same thing 25.000 times? Is it that good, that bottable or are there just no alternatives?

Trub

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:41 - 84

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Why are people saying "So change it!"? Did they not read the second half of the post or was it too long for them?

Because..THIS......IS...SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!..e rm..wait....nvm.
THIS......................IS...................... .......GURU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The answer to the problem: AB moar guys.

Arduin

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:45 - 85

People, calm down.

-Gaile has said it's okay to use G15 macro's.

-Players used these macro's to facilitate HFFF

-Players got banned because of their bot-like behaviour

-Anet now rolls back the bans because those banned people pointed out it was okay to use G15 macro's, according to Gaile.

-To avoid any more confusion, Anet takes a clear stance on botting: using a bot, or any other form of automated input (even G15's), from now on, will got you permabanned.

There really isn't anything more to this issue.

RTSFirebat

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25 Oct 2008 at 15:45 - 86

While unbanning bot users is a about the most stupid idea ever... its good to hear that these titles are going to be rebalanced. Not sure about other users but the idea of getting 10 million faction points is simply impossible for most people who have a LIFE outside of this game.

Abnaxus

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25 Oct 2008 at 16:15 - 87

I have the title, obtained in more than 8 months of HFFF (could have been less, I know, but I did other things in that period).

During that long time, I've seen other players doing HFFF for some time and then disappear from Lutgardis.
I've seen also others with r12 doing HFFF every hour of the day, clearly bots, so in my opinion most of those r12 were farming for their alliances or for gold.

After I got r12, I came back there for LS on my new character (lol) and some of them were still there until a week ago or so.

In my opinion, most of the bots are (or were) there not for the title, just for gold.

As I said, I have the title, and despite this I think it's one of the most insane things in game.

So I'm favourable to a total redesign of the title(s), to make it achievable exactly like LB/SS or EotN titles, farming foes with a bounty, and like those titles it should require no more than 25-30 hours to be maxed.

MithranArkanere

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25 Oct 2008 at 16:18 - 88

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Originally Posted by Vic

I felt it was too hard to buy all those trick or treat bags, so I had to bot to get money, please change it to a 2 week ban..

Hard =/= Slow

Getting the title is NOT hard. It never was. No grind title is hard.
They may be more or less slow, more or less annoying, but NEVER hard.

Robbert Monga

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25 Oct 2008 at 16:37 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

So they earned the title fair and square. *That* is something nobody can take away from them. For the rest of their life, they'll be able to stand proud and tall and say: "I earned my Faction title".

Of course, whether that is worth spending 1000 hours clicking the same 3 buttons is another thing.

read beyond first sentence before hitting reply button.

Robbert Monga

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25 Oct 2008 at 16:47 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

So I'm favourable to a total redesign of the title(s), to make it achievable exactly like LB/SS or EotN titles, farming foes with a bounty, and like those titles it should require no more than 25-30 hours to be maxed.

You are clearly missing the point. The allegiance titles have been in place for a very long time. If the "total redesign" came a month after they were release I'd (and most people I'm sure) be totally fine with that. Making hard things easy (regardless of wherever it is "real" hardness or artificial) is just bad, because you always end up screwing people who already done it the hard way.
That is all of course beside the point that allegiance titles are NOT FFF titles. FFF should be addressed, not titles. Don't fix shit that aint broken.

Clone

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25 Oct 2008 at 16:50 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Hard =/= Slow

Getting the title is NOT hard. It never was. No grind title is hard.
They may be more or less slow, more or less annoying, but NEVER hard.

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm astonished at how many people confuse needless repitition with actual difficulty. Proving you can do something once or twice is an accomplishment. Going back to do it 1000 more times only shows you are prone to addiction and have no life. Unfortunately Anet just keeps adding more and more grind to the game.

Abnaxus

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25 Oct 2008 at 17:05 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

Making hard things easy (regardless of wherever it is "real" hardness or artificial) is just bad, because you always end up screwing people who already done it the hard way.

Well, I've said that I have the title, it took 400+ hours in 8 months to me, and I would not feel screwed if they change it so that other players can get it in 25-30 hours.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

That is all of course beside the point that allegiance titles are NOT FFF titles. FFF should be addressed, not titles. Don't fix shit that aint broken.

Or they could separate PvP and PvE titles.

Vanquishing areas could give a PvE title with related PvE skills, AB could give a PvP title.

Most of players who start HFFF are PvE players aiming at R6 KoaBD, and I did for the same reason.
This because after 26 or 27 "playable" PvE titles, the only possibility is to buy stuff and do HFFF.

I play with my friend, we did everything in game together, now I have r6 because I farm and did HFFF, he stopped at 26 titles because he's more intelligent than me.

I hope A.net changes both Luxon and Kurzick titles, so I can help him to achieve both in a reasonable time, and hopefully introduces other 2 PvE titles so that he and all those who don't like mindless farming will be able to get r6 KoaBD playing the game with minimal grind.

Robbert Monga

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25 Oct 2008 at 17:18 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Well, I've said that I have the title, it took 400+ hours in 8 months to me, and I would not feel screwed if they change it so that other players can get it in 25-30 hours.

I do, because it took me 6 month of AB to get mine. I do, because faction farming exists to begin with, making allegiance title worthless as PvP title. I do, because I vanquished and guardianed everything way before any of that consumables and Ursan crap, and now my hard earned pro titles are just another bit in someones koabd. Because that is the general tendency is: make everything easier = devalue things earned hard way. I am getting tired of this socialist crap.
Why not go all the way and make everything free to begin with? We should start with level20 character wearing FoW armor and koabd r6. That would be easy enough, right?

MithranArkanere

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25 Oct 2008 at 17:49 - 94

Then all that is needed is to separate the Kurzcik/Luxon titles into PvE and PvP versions.
The PvP versioons would stay high, and the PvE versions would be low and 'fast' to max (at least in less than 2 months playing normally)

A title both PvE and PvP was a mistake from the start.

Abnaxus

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25 Oct 2008 at 17:50 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

Why not go all the way and make everything free to begin with? We should start with level20 character wearing FoW armor and koabd r6. That would be easy enough, right?

This is called Slippery Slope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Besided the fallacy of your answer, we have two opposite approaches.

You think that achieving something is "earn" something.

I don't think I earn something from a videogame.
I just enjoy and try to "complete" the videogame.
That's why I go for titles, because for me it's just completing things in game.

Riot Narita

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25 Oct 2008 at 18:36 - 96

Just can't understand this.

HFFF is hard (meaning, time consuming).
There was 2x points weekend.
So, lazy cheating... oops, I mean players... "felt compelled" to bot.

They knew what they were doing was wrong.
They deliberately broke the rules.
They took a gamble on not getting caught.
Their gamble didn't pay off...
...BUT WAIT! YES IT DID! A-Net gave them a slap on the wrist, but practically granted them free pardons!

There are PLENTY of titles that I consider "impossible" to achieve by "normal" play. Do I bot for them? No, I simply don't bother working on them. Because I'd never risk losing my account and my HoM/titles.

But maybe I'm being a chump. Maybe I should find a bot program for those titles, every time there is a 2x points weekend... and if I get caught, A-Net will just let me off with a temp ban!

CRAZY!

upier

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25 Oct 2008 at 19:42 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

Socialist in this context = nobody have anything worthy. Which is exactly where GW is going with this kind of "improvements".

What is the worth of the titles in question?
You need to define a starting value if the problem is that it's now losing it. So what was it?

Zinger314

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25 Oct 2008 at 20:06 - 98

Point of comment: Why would you spend six months grinding a title which has zero sizeable benefit? (zomg, progression toward another meaningless title and a minor boost for overpowered skills?)

If I spent six months on something in an MMO, I'd want something to boost my e-peen in restitution. (i.e. the old-school WoW rep grinds) I spent a month last year getting a Netherdrake in WoW, it was the best e-peen move ever, more satisfying than playing AB on end.

maraxusofk

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25 Oct 2008 at 20:26 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

People, calm down.

-Gaile has said it's okay to use G15 macro's.

-Players used these macro's to facilitate HFFF

-Players got banned because of their bot-like behaviour

-Anet now rolls back the bans because those banned people pointed out it was okay to use G15 macro's, according to Gaile.

-To avoid any more confusion, Anet takes a clear stance on botting: using a bot, or any other form of automated input (even G15's), from now on, will got you permabanned.

There really isn't anything more to this issue.

lol nobody is gonna read this. everyone is too intent on flaming anet to read first then post.

Lycan Nibbler

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25 Oct 2008 at 20:56 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

-To avoid any more confusion, Anet takes a clear stance on botting: using a bot, or any other form of automated input (even G15's), from now on, will got you permabanned.

Where did they say this? Where is the announcement that you are using as this basis as far as G15s please?

Chthon

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25 Oct 2008 at 21:43 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

People, calm down.

-Gaile has said it's okay to use G15 macro's.

-Players used these macro's to facilitate HFFF

-Players got banned because of their bot-like behaviour

-Anet now rolls back the bans because those banned people pointed out it was okay to use G15 macro's, according to Gaile.

-To avoid any more confusion, Anet takes a clear stance on botting: using a bot, or any other form of automated input (even G15's), from now on, will got you permabanned.

There really isn't anything more to this issue.

Quoted for correctness.

I don't have any problem with a-net's actions here.

Nessar

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25 Oct 2008 at 22:42 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

People, calm down.

-Gaile has said it's okay to use G15 macro's.

-Players used these macro's to facilitate HFFF

-Players got banned because of their bot-like behaviour

-Anet now rolls back the bans because those banned people pointed out it was okay to use G15 macro's, according to Gaile.

-To avoid any more confusion, Anet takes a clear stance on botting: using a bot, or any other form of automated input (even G15's), from now on, will got you permabanned.

There really isn't anything more to this issue.

Pretty much sums it up. At least someone read through the first post

XiaoTheBlade

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25 Oct 2008 at 23:24 - 103

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Originally Posted by fgarvin

Whatever, dude. Unless ANet supplies its players with a list of these super naughty words, the player can not reasonably be expected to be able to follow UA. Are there different lists/rules depending a on server's region?

"Fag" is bad, right? Is it bad on a Euro server? Would I even know if a Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Brazilian/Thai/Polish player used a bad word? I've played in the German districts, and I'll be damned if I know if anyone used a bad word or went by an offensive name.

ANet, give us the lists, or don't enforce the rules.

And for all of you who spent less than a second thinking about the above statement and came up with the brilliant idea that doing that would allow people to walk the fine line between using good and bad words/names, think longer....

On topic: Who cares about bots...they're not hurting other players in any way. With regards to HFFF, one would have to bot 24/7 on several accounts for a very long period of time to have even the smallest impact on the GW economy.

The boss 'Dupek the Mighty' springs to mind...

Jenn

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25 Oct 2008 at 23:50 - 104

I think it's a good one-time call to clear up issues with macro-ing HFFF. That being said, most players should know what constitutes botting; if you don't do the work, you are probably botting.

Riot Narita

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25 Oct 2008 at 23:55 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessar

Pretty much sums it up. At least someone read through the first post

People keep QFT-ing that post as if it is something magic and profound.

Why? I see nothing in the OP that says the people in question were using G15 macros or any other sort of macro. It says they were using bots. That's BOTS not macros.

But they decided it was OK this time because the lazy cheaters... I mean the "poor dears" may have "felt they had no other choice". In fact, they did have an alternative choice: Do it the hard way. It's not impossible, and plenty of people have done it.

Daenara

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26 Oct 2008 at 00:48 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

People keep QFT-ing that post as if it is something magic and profound.

Why? I see nothing in the OP that says the people in question were using G15 macros or any other sort of macro. It says they were using bots. That's BOTS not macros.

But they decided it was OK this time because the lazy cheaters... I mean the "poor dears" may have "felt they had no other choice". In fact, they did have an alternative choice: Do it the hard way. It's not impossible, and plenty of people have done it.

QFT. At least someone has read the first post.

Seriously, if they are excusing the macro users, they should refer to them as macro users. Not bots. That is confusing the issue.

Lucky Shot Pat

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26 Oct 2008 at 00:59 - 107

Is ANET at least re setting the Kurz and Luxon titles on these accounts and deleting the money? At least that would make it somewhat fair to the people who actually worked for the titles that these guys just used bots for.

TurinPT

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26 Oct 2008 at 01:01 - 108

People remember how international Droks was a while back? take a look at it now.

GW players have no reason to complain about botters, anet is doing its job.

BuD

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Nunya

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26 Oct 2008 at 01:12 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky Shot Pat

Is ANET at least re setting the Kurz and Luxon titles on these accounts and deleting the money? At least that would make it somewhat fair to the people who actually worked for the titles that these guys just used bots for.

Id like to know this too, at least this would somewhat rectify the situation...somewhat

Targren

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26 Oct 2008 at 01:48 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

Why? I see nothing in the OP that says the people in question were using G15 macros or any other sort of macro. It says they were using bots. That's BOTS not macros.

Quoted for emphasis. Can we get some confirmation on the whole G15/N52s being not-allowed anymore?

Molock

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26 Oct 2008 at 02:48 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

That will be a nice f*** you to all the players earning the titles before the update. Way to go.

I know a few Saviors and it really doesn't look like they care tbh..

About the G15 thing.. of course those people shouldn't be banned. Actual botters however should be perma-banned however.

Robbert Monga

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26 Oct 2008 at 03:04 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

This is called Slippery Slope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Besided the fallacy of your answer, we have two opposite approaches.

no, I'm sorry, you the one who twisted my argument around and then argued against it as if I am idiot and need help figuring out what "socialist" is. My point is dead simple.

Quote:

You think that achieving something is "earn" something.

I don't think I earn something from a videogame.
I just enjoy and try to "complete" the videogame.
That's why I go for titles, because for me it's just completing things in game.

I quiet honestly cannot be bothered to care what difference you put into earn and achieve.
I have put some effort into this game. I got my cute little trophy for it, and I'd like to keep it tyvm.
Making that trophy into junk that absolutely everybody have, and that is worth fraction of what it was when I got it, does not jive well with my enjoyment of this game.
You can take defensive stance or accuse me of having no life all you want, that doesn't change my point a tiny bit.

Shadowmoon

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26 Oct 2008 at 04:28 - 113

Good move on Anet part IMO. Gotten most of my r12 kurzick b4 the HFF, the good old sin runner days. But I still talked to alot of people who went on this title quest, so i know the short cut that were made. I remember that responce from the GM when the macro function asked if it would count as botting. Basically it said it was ok as long as it required human input. Because of this, it justified auto flaging scripts. Basically this was a script that once called for, would auto matically flag heros to the quest location, while firing there skills. Because this required human input to start the script every minute, alot of people thought it was OK by that GM standards. This was probably the "botting" people were banned for. I can understand this misunderstanding. 2 weeks is a good hard stance while at the same time saying we understand.
Personally i don't see this as a bot, if your going to do the same repeative task, who wouldn't naturely create a single command that reduced it down. This is like my weapon swap macro that i used when i BB sin, just much longer. It become a bot is when it auto zones, auto flag, auto take reward, then auto dumps faction, ie when it requires no human input at all, and become completely automated.
Basically now Anet has clearified that those types of scripts are not acceptable now, which is ironic, because it right b4 the update which makes doin those task not worth it.

Lycan Nibbler

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26 Oct 2008 at 04:39 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Basically now Anet has clearified that those types of scripts are not acceptable now, which is ironic, because it right b4 the update which makes doin those task not worth it.

WHERE is this clarification people in this thread keep speaking of?? ALL I see is Regina saying that Bots are against the EULA (well duh - werent they always).

Nowhere do they say what type of bots were being used that they are "letting off on a case by case basis" or any definition of what is a bot - without this clarification update, the previous official anet announcement on G15s etc stands surely?

The fact that anet are using this "case by case" basis does nothing to clear the muddy water here I am afraid unless we started a database of what people were doing that were permabanned and what ones were doing that got changed to 2 week ban.

ALF71BE

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26 Oct 2008 at 04:51 - 115

I don't agree with shortening the bans to two weeks.

If they bot then please ban them forever. It will also benefit ANet's pockets since addicted people will buy more accounts.

Nobody "needs" to bot any title, because titles aren't needed at all. No matter how big the grind is. Not only that, but most max titles have very few advantages over one close to being max, which can require around 40% less grind. If they do "like" the "prestige" status they come with, then they'll work for them. Perhaps they won't max them but will have a high tier in it. If they don't like that, then let them QQ and ban their botting accounts.

If you can't stand the grind, then just don't go for it.

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26 Oct 2008 at 06:55 - 116

Thank you Regina, it is good news to know Anet is working on a solution and is forgiving when people sometimes make mistakes.

To the others that are not. Next time, in real life, please don't take a second chance if one is ever offered and never ask for forgiveness.

Jenn

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26 Oct 2008 at 07:28 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

WHERE is this clarification people in this thread keep speaking of?? ALL I see is Regina saying that Bots are against the EULA (well duh - werent they always).

It was something that Gaile Grey said to try and clear up confusion awhile back, and I remember exactly what demona was talking about; botting could be described as something like, "an afk process." So anything fully automated would be out of the question, which I guess led people to believe that macroing is okay, because you need to press a couple buttons to activate a script, and you have to be there to do that once a minute or so, plus zone, etc.

I can't recall perfectly, but I think it's a thread that Gaile Grey started on Guru (might be on the wiki, too?).

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The fact that anet are using this "case by case" basis does nothing to clear the muddy water here I am afraid unless we started a database of what people were doing that were permabanned and what ones were doing that got changed to 2 week ban.

I agree that there have been a lot of muddy waters dealing with these incidents, mostly because the "clarification" players received a while back was not clear enough.

I personally don't care how people choose to play their game (i.e. bots or not), but I think in the interest of preserving standards, any 3-rd party (yes, that includes keyboards) means of simplifying gameplay should be illegal, and players do it at their own risk. I don't know if I support permanent bans, but even 30 day bans... I could work with that

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Riot Narita

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26 Oct 2008 at 07:58 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ineeda Felcher

Thank you Regina, it is good news to know Anet is working on a solution and is forgiving when people sometimes make mistakes.

To the others that are not. Next time, in real life, please don't take a second chance if one is ever offered and never ask for forgiveness.

"Forgiveness" might be an option if something is a genuine "mistake"

But running a bot is no innocent "mistake". It is a deliberate act, the perpetrator KNOWS it's wrong, and knows the possible consequences. But they do it anyway. This does not deserve "forgiveness", it deserves a permanent ban: Exactly as advertised.

False Healer

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26 Oct 2008 at 08:16 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

"Forgiveness" might be an option if something is a genuine "mistake"

But running a bot is no innocent "mistake". It is a deliberate act, the perpetrator KNOWS it's wrong, and knows the possible consequences. But they do it anyway. This does not deserve "forgiveness", it deserves a permanent ban: Exactly as advertised.

Only little children ever make "innocent mistakes" but as adults we know better and yet we still make mistakes none the less, right.

Regina said only a "small number of players were banned" well there is a heck lot more bots than that HFFFing and they were reversing some of them "case by case" so Anet knows something and well if they didn't tell us then it is none of our damn business.

Laylat

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26 Oct 2008 at 10:11 - 120

I title hunt for completness. I'm glad to hear that other, better options will be available. Some of the posts where people flip out are very funny indeed. You guys need to chill.