This makes no sence to me, ecto prices are actually up, there are hovering between 5.5 and 4.8k, these were prices pre shadowform buff, why do they feel the need to nerf a buff after it been around for nearly a year.
BTW the idiot who said people couldn't clear the first room in UW in 2006 in the same time as people are finishing uw now. Invisimonk was around then, you could solo the whole UW back then. And back then it was before aoe scatter, and other anti-farming measures. Do you honestly think a invisimonk couldn't clear chamber in 15 minutes....
essence of celerity = NERFED
Shadowmoon
kostolomac
One word on this : AWESOME!
t3dw4rd0
Why not just change the AI on the terrorwebs to make them use inferno when only one person is standing by them. I think sliver range is probably larger than inferno's, but it would make it a decent amount more difficult. Get too close to a mob and you insta-death.
Or would this screw it up for regular groups as well?
Or would this screw it up for regular groups as well?
oracle.delphi
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I think I only visit these forums for the people who hate the game and the overly dramatic whining that happens EVERY time a skill gets changed.
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joshuarodger
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Originally Posted by Chushingura
Both FoW and UW are joke areas. A pug with the tiniest of brain cells could finish it. I know UW FOW DoA Deep Urgoz etc etc etc are all labeled Elite areas, but for UW FOW, it's a joke to me. Perhaps it's because I spend every day in those areas since I got my first Obsidian Shard and Glob of Ectoplasm (Thank you XELR).
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The Meth
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Originally Posted by joshuarodger
don't be dumb. you absolutely cannot join a pug and hope to complete UW or FoW in a balanced team of any sort. all you need is for one or two people to not know their way around and you're all dead. if you want, i'll come with you sometime and we'll pick up 6 other random people and we'll see how far we get. i know my way around and apparently you do too. let's see if 6 other randoms can get it done. i'll even use the scroll and we'll go in NM to make it even easier. we won't win. i can almost guarantee it.
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WrathAttack
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
That is pretty funny. I finally started playing again this week. You know what I do? I want to play some UW clears because it's the only fun PUG thing I know, but ursan's dead, no way I can join a team. So I spent the week rolling an ele for this new crap (let me check how many hours I wasted, ah 24 hours on the char), getting him set up. Just today I'm all set up, and I figure I'll study the video's awhile before tenatively trying not to screw up somebody's group... and now you're telling the run is dead? ... Well I was stupid to start playing again right? I mean when isn't this game anti-everything the players are doing.
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I feel your pain that very same day i decided to set up my elementalist for the terra build and even bought my char a blindfold just because i was "going" to be earning my new fortune. Anet, leave Pve Alone what did it ever do to you? :P
Red Sonya
A nerf to ShadowForm would be the ultimate nail in the coffin. Boy oh boy oh boy I am sooooo hoping SF gets hit hard so there will never be a permanent SF sin or anyone else any longer. 
therangereminem
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Um, what's the big deal? Wouldn't the team setup change to this now:
A/N (Vale) A/Me (Chamber) A/E (Plains) A/E (Pools) A/E (Mountains) A/E (Wastes) A/D/E (Pits) N/Rt (Vale) |
but me team dont do it this way anyways its the fioollow easier and faster
e/monk solo wrathfull
a/mesmer clear vale for e/mo
a/mesmer chamber
a/e pools
a/d pits
a/e or a/rit plains
a/e moutain
a/e wastes
and both a/mesmer do escort while e/monk does wrathful
at 8 min from start so gg all other areas can be done in less then 10 min onc you get good at it with max levels
the only reason we have not do a 0 min and under time si getting all the best of the best together and be perfect no deaths no delays and a good spawn in every area
ohh dont worry the con change is not done yet +1 grial yeah lets say +1 to main att only not all lol so ele say good bye have you last week
use all your candy corns you can
The Silenced Spets
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
A nerf to ShadowForm would be the ultimate nail in the coffin. Boy oh boy oh boy I am sooooo hoping SF gets hit hard so there will never be a permanent SF sin or anyone else any longer.
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BadgerznPie
Good, but I don't want feather prices to drop. 
Acehigh
It is still an awesome consumable even with its nerf. No need to whine about it.
But who am I kidding....
But who am I kidding....
MisterT69
Just wondering...in theory, and this is just a thought, if A-net said they were trying to "balance" the essence by making it close to the other cons in terms of power, couldn't, and this is just theory, couldn't it be possible they buff armor and grail? You know, like an extra pip of health regen, or +2 attribute instead of +1 on the armor, pretty much making UW viable again. Again idk either way, I'll prolly just get back to using assassin in UW XD. Although I would assume if you're trying to balance the cons, A-net would try to bring armor and grail to essence's level.
Faer
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Although I would assume if you're trying to balance the cons, A-net would try to bring armor and grail to essence's level.
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Faer
I would hope that additional power creep is not the goal here.
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I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be surprised. :\
Taurucis
Apparently, GW dies more than Kenny from South Park and Starscream from Transformers Animated combined. 
Come on, fellow GW players... We've gotten over the past nerf... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the... oh, you get the point.
Look at Ursan. It's been nerfed but I still see Ursan groups forming... sometimes.
Come on, fellow GW players... We've gotten over the past nerf... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the... oh, you get the point.
Look at Ursan. It's been nerfed but I still see Ursan groups forming... sometimes.
Lyndka
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Perma sins don't need them, it's all the e/a and n/a that needed them for the speed clears.
I find it hilarious that we get threads proclaiming consumables to be one of the reasons that GW has died, and now that one of them has been nerfed from 25% to 20% bonus...GW has died. Again. WTF is wrong with you people... |
Ditto - cue another thread from the EoTN newcomers "GW is dead cos we have to use skillz and buildz and runez"
Hands up for a "consumables crafters guild walk-out weekend"...
Keira Nightgale
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Eh I guess a dying game is a dying game, A-net can't satisfy both sides of any argument, so I guess as the saying goes "closing a door and opening another?" IDK if that's right or not but I hope everyone gets the metaphor lol. And now there's gonna be a lot more A/E's in UW as it seems...
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Look at Ursan. It's been nerfed but I still see Ursan groups forming... sometimes.
That is because Ursan still works, and probably even better than it used to be before.
Joseph Spiritmaster
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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale
It's more like consumables should help you doing an area "faster", not help you doing an area otherwise you couldn't do.
We could divide ToA groups in two types Right party : "I do fow/uw in 1hour with cons, 1 hour and 15-20 minutes without " Wrong party: "I do fow/uw in 15 minutes, can't do it without cons". ToA hosted only the second type of group, on top of that 80% of them failed . |
Thank you Anet, can we remove cons completely, maybe SF nerf? Cryway nerf?
Keira Nightgale
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Originally Posted by Joseph Spiritmaster
Omg yes! Personally i would rather do a UWSC in an hour w/o cons. the old balanced way with Obby flesh tanks. I find that the SF tanks just ruined the fun in doing FoW/UW/Urgoz etc. If i saw somone doing DoA in Under and hour WITHOUT cons i would have much much more respect for them compared to someone who did it under an hour easily WITH cons.
Thank you Anet, can we remove cons completely, maybe SF nerf? Cryway nerf? |
Ate of DK
Consumables should have never been introduced in the first place.
Tyla
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Thank you Anet, can we remove cons completely, maybe SF nerf? Cryway nerf?
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Phenixfire
Wow guys, srsly ...
Who actually cares about PvE anyway?
Those that bless this nerf are just jealous of all those others that achieve the same in less time with less effort... if you want to do it the oldschool way, go ahead and do it, no one is holding you back...
But stop QQing about how PvE became way too easy and that every noob can do the hardest things with basically no experience whatsoever.
And to those QQing about the nerf, one word, pathetic ... are you so caught up in your "omfgicanspeedclearuwinfifteenminutesiamsogoodbett erthantherest"-itsybitsypinkpony-world
that your whole concept of the game got destroyed? Now you might actually need to invest some time and brains into the whole matter, gosh, that's new for you, ain't it?
Basically, wait for something new you can just take blindfoldedly and run (hinthintwinkwink cryway) with certain success, or quit the game. Srsly, i'd suggest the latter, as you seem to fail anyway!
No one good at this game actually cares about it anymore, seeing as it took the wrong turn ages ago.
Take the buffs and nerfs as they come, play with or without them, best close those threads right away, as they actually lead up to nothing and are just a platform for those bereft of their daily purpose.
If you want to win at this game at this point, quit it, or play it very casually.
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Who actually cares about PvE anyway?
Those that bless this nerf are just jealous of all those others that achieve the same in less time with less effort... if you want to do it the oldschool way, go ahead and do it, no one is holding you back...
But stop QQing about how PvE became way too easy and that every noob can do the hardest things with basically no experience whatsoever.
And to those QQing about the nerf, one word, pathetic ... are you so caught up in your "omfgicanspeedclearuwinfifteenminutesiamsogoodbett erthantherest"-itsybitsypinkpony-world
that your whole concept of the game got destroyed? Now you might actually need to invest some time and brains into the whole matter, gosh, that's new for you, ain't it?
Basically, wait for something new you can just take blindfoldedly and run (hinthintwinkwink cryway) with certain success, or quit the game. Srsly, i'd suggest the latter, as you seem to fail anyway!
No one good at this game actually cares about it anymore, seeing as it took the wrong turn ages ago.
Take the buffs and nerfs as they come, play with or without them, best close those threads right away, as they actually lead up to nothing and are just a platform for those bereft of their daily purpose.
If you want to win at this game at this point, quit it, or play it very casually.
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MithranArkanere
Yup. It doesn't really matter the changes they made, there is always some other combination of skills to use.
Versatility is crucial in games. If you can't face change, then you can't success.
Versatility is crucial in games. If you can't face change, then you can't success.
Kashrlyyk
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No one good at this game actually cares about it anymore, seeing as it took the wrong turn ages ago. .... |
faraaz
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Wow guys, srsly ...
Those that bless this nerf are just jealous of all those others that achieve the same in less time with less effort... if you want to do it the oldschool way, go ahead and do it, no one is holding you back... But stop QQing about how PvE became way too easy and that every noob can do the hardest things with basically no experience whatsoever. |
UnChosen
Sigh....I have a feeling this will be the beginning to a repeat of the DoA "full to empty" nerf. When will they learn that a majority don't play one game for 4 years just for fun. Farming based builds keep the older players interested...and generally when they are not farming (yes, most farmers don't do it 24/7), they are available to help guildies. Also, newbies that join the game at this point will nearly all be looking for easy "catch up" methods, its the nature of online RPGS.
Jennie
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Originally Posted by Phenixfire
Wow guys, srsly ...
Who actually cares about PvE anyway? Those that bless this nerf are just jealous of all those others that achieve the same in less time with less effort... if you want to do it the oldschool way, go ahead and do it, no one is holding you back... But stop QQing about how PvE became way too easy and that every noob can do the hardest things with basically no experience whatsoever. And to those QQing about the nerf, one word, pathetic ... are you so caught up in your "omfgicanspeedclearuwinfifteenminutesiamsogoodbett erthantherest"-itsybitsypinkpony-world that your whole concept of the game got destroyed? Now you might actually need to invest some time and brains into the whole matter, gosh, that's new for you, ain't it? Basically, wait for something new you can just take blindfoldedly and run (hinthintwinkwink cryway) with certain success, or quit the game. Srsly, i'd suggest the latter, as you seem to fail anyway! No one good at this game actually cares about it anymore, seeing as it took the wrong turn ages ago. Take the buffs and nerfs as they come, play with or without them, best close those threads right away, as they actually lead up to nothing and are just a platform for those bereft of their daily purpose. If you want to win at this game at this point, quit it, or play it very casually. /end |
Personally I could care less. Just roll with the punches and some other thing will be real popular shortly. So does that make patheically jealous? :P
The Meth
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Sigh....I have a feeling this will be the beginning to a repeat of the DoA "full to empty" nerf. When will they learn that a majority don't play one game for 4 years just for fun. Farming based builds keep the older players interested...and generally when they are not farming (yes, most farmers don't do it 24/7), they are available to help guildies. Also, newbies that join the game at this point will nearly all be looking for easy "catch up" methods, its the nature of online RPGS.
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Unfortunately a similar argument can be made for the high end PvP'ers who have bought all 3 campaigns...
Trub
Wowsers.....8 pages of QQ over an expensive pair of 'running shoes'.
I'm impressed.
I used to use EoC (GUMBALLS!!!) for the longer vanquishes....but now I can just simply replace rez with Storm Chaser.
Calm down peoples!
I'm impressed.
I used to use EoC (GUMBALLS!!!) for the longer vanquishes....but now I can just simply replace rez with Storm Chaser.
Calm down peoples!
Mordiego
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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
...A much better nerf would be to make them individual, rather than team based...
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UnChosen
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Originally Posted by The Meth
Guess what? Anet doesn't have to cater to the pro 'farmers'. Anet has their money and Guild Wars isn't subscription based, so Anet has nothing to gain by having people stay playing for longer. All they want to do is attract new players, and new players don't give a damn if EoC is 20% or 25%.
Unfortunately a similar argument can be made for the high end PvP'ers who have bought all 3 campaigns... |
Lord Sojar
OH NOES. It got nerfed. There goes PvE's only source of fun; smashing monsters into tiny bits at incredible rate of speed. Now, I can only do it at an extremely fast but not quite incredible rate of speed. Poo...
Amnel Ithtirsol
Good stuff.
Hopefully we'll have less noob ele's ruining the speed clears from now on. I doubt it though as everyone will claim to have candy corn and just leech when dead.
Next up: CoP ^^
haha, k, lets face it, they nerv CoP and SF and they will most likely loose more than half the current player base, judging by the in-game activity I've witnessed recently.
Hopefully we'll have less noob ele's ruining the speed clears from now on. I doubt it though as everyone will claim to have candy corn and just leech when dead.
Next up: CoP ^^
haha, k, lets face it, they nerv CoP and SF and they will most likely loose more than half the current player base, judging by the in-game activity I've witnessed recently.
odly
How does this even make a difference for UW SC ? deadly paradox givex 33%, essence will give 20, boh together still cap at 50 ...
I must be wrong but I don't get it.
I must be wrong but I don't get it.
zwei2stein
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How does this even make a difference for UW SC ? deadly paradox givex 33%, essence will give 20, boh together still cap at 50 ...
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Recharge of SF under 33% and 20% effects is 32 seconds.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol
Next up: CoP ^^
haha, k, lets face it, they nerv CoP and SF and they will most likely loose more than half the current player base, judging by the in-game activity I've witnessed recently. |
romeus petrus
If you can't cope with the change in EoC from 25% to 20% I highly suggest you uninstall.
faraaz
Lies...
The world has come to an end as we know it Randy.
The world has come to an end as we know it Randy.