Fort Aspenwood no longer balanced.
headlesshobbs
I don't know what those lux are paying people but we got friggin nec traitors taking allies out from under our noses now. Aura of Lich + suicide = WTF???
StormX
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also, if you look at the timer and capture points, it shows the game is almost over and all places have been captured. This means odds are this isn't a case of leeching, but a case of domination
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This is from earlier in the game and the only other image I have. It's quite possible that 1 or 2 weren't originally leeching but gave up. The reason why you only see 6 leechers in this image is because the 7th one was a certain Mes/Rt bot who moved out of range. I can't show the names otherwise there would be no doubt that these are indeed leechers. So maybe I should have titled it 7 leechers not 8, but nonetheless it shows the seriousness of the leeching situation.
zurisae
^ Guess that shows us why the Luxons have a hard time winning in FA :P
Is leeching just as bad over on the Kurz side?
Is leeching just as bad over on the Kurz side?
Giga_Gaia
Didn't want to argue much since it should have been pretty obvious, but since this thread got revived, why not:
And we don't want our gate guards to stand inside 5 aoe's and die in 2 seconds. Nor do we want our gatekeepers and gunther to randomly chase some player outside green just so they can wand him to death. Neither do we want our juggernaut to wander around ever so slowly and then getting stuck trying to reach the turtles while a whole luxon team mobs around it. Face it, the npc's are all retarded. You want to win, don't rely on them.
The luxon mine npc's can cripple runners and stay alive long enough for players to rez, and can also do some decent damage. The kurzick miners waste their time summoning the same spirit at the same time, negating each other. The command point monks can be respawned, the gatekeeper monks cannot.
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No, we just don't want them shooting at things they can't actually hit...
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StormX
And now for part 2:
Coincidence? Again today there was a game where almost the whole team was leeching. The 7th leecher was a necro bot who ran around but used no skills. Its quite pathetic really. We get an occasional leecher or 2 on the kurz side but it seems everyone on the luxon side either quit or switched camps.
Coincidence? Again today there was a game where almost the whole team was leeching. The 7th leecher was a necro bot who ran around but used no skills. Its quite pathetic really. We get an occasional leecher or 2 on the kurz side but it seems everyone on the luxon side either quit or switched camps.
belladonna shylock
what district do you pay in Stormx? lol
StormX
AD1 XD This afternoon every game had at least 3-5 luxon leechers. It was awesome.
Painbringer
1000 faction for 10 minute match x no line no waiting on the Luxon side = At least 5k an hour 120000 a day 840000 a week title seems a bit closer now. Oh and if you do get a team that plays you get progression
towards some z-keys. Please do something. But honestly I like the rewards for the players that play. So please don’t nerf it.
towards some z-keys. Please do something. But honestly I like the rewards for the players that play. So please don’t nerf it.
truemyths
3-5 Luxon leechers per game seems to be the standard now, over the last 15 games I've played tracking in the last day. Only once did we have no leechers.
EPO Bot
There you have it: Seven of them.
truemyths
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There you have it: Seven of them. |
belladonna shylock
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That's about it. The question is, will aNet do something, or is Fort Aspenwood going to shut down. I mean literally, with these sorts of leeching levels, I can't stand playing anymore and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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StormX
Is it bad that I recognize 5 out of the 7?
EPO Bot
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Is it bad that I recognize 5 out of the 7?
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Giga_Gaia
What I don't understand is, why are we not allowed to show their names on here? Wouldn't it make sense that we all know who they are so we can report them or at least be wary of them? And if Anet, by chance, sees them, then maybe they might even do something?
street peddler
just go to Jade Quarry. FA isnt even worth it anymore.
Massive Impulsa
Hmmm, would be nice if AnET just could there one day, and just ban any leechers:P
Painbringer
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What I don't understand is, why are we not allowed to show their names on here? Wouldn't it make sense that we all know who they are so we can report them or at least be wary of them? And if Anet, by chance, sees them, then maybe they might even do something?
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IlikeGW
LoL I guess they shut down customer service as well. Is Gaile Gray even working there? I thought she moved to customer service and she might help you with something like this. But pretty much it seems GW1 is dead as can be and 7/8 bots in a zone might become the norm.
Earth
Just had a game where only me + 1 other guy were actually playing, and that other dude left after 2 minutes. Rest were all leechers.
Seems like an all time high atm :P
Seems like an all time high atm :P
StormX
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Maybe not, because that means there are only a few irredeemable leachers to be tracked down and have their computers trashed.
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Green Chiken
So i recently started playing FA hardcore and i noticed in one of my matches a nec that used Aura of the Lich a few times. After the timer ended and we went to get amber, the Nec killed herself and the minions killed Gunther ending the game. These are called "Griefers" or thats what the Kurzicks call them. I dont know if i can post any of the Griefers names so i wont because i dont want my post to be deleted but people said a whole team reported one of the Griefers and there account deleted. There are 2 more that still run around killing off Gunther, plus someone posted a video on youtube how to use the Griefer build. Which means that people who see the video are gonna think its funny and every round is gonna be another suicide to kill off gunther. So most people bring "Vetra's" to use when this happens or either use the monks to heal so gunther doesnt die. I think Anet needs to do something about this otherwise FA is not gonna be worth playing. Plus the leechers in FA on the luxon side is an extreme problem, we had one game where a guys whole team were leechers so we just sat and talked and nobody killed eachother. So basically anyone who has a Griefer (the kurz will call them out because they know who they are) everyone report these characters so we can get FA back as its suppose to be.
Painbringer
This is an increasing problem - there is a thread in the sardelac about it.
People are bored and doing anything they can to ruin the fun of others
Report report report
People are bored and doing anything they can to ruin the fun of others
Report report report
Celeborn10
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So basically anyone who has a Griefer (the kurz will call them out because they know who they are) everyone report these characters so we can get FA back as its suppose to be.
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Perhaps deleting the Necro class from PvP would do, I don't think there have been any non-degenerative Necro builds (except Tainted but that may as well be regarded as a gimmick with heros). PvP wouldn't really suffer with FF and WoD gone. It might even bring condition pressure back *gasp*. (after the game's pace gets toned down)
wilebill
Well, I can verify that the leeching problem on the Luxon side is severe. I have not been in any battles where Gunther mysteriously kicked the bucket. Only thing kicking the bucket has been the Luxon team trying to get by with 4 or 5 players.
ANet does need to step in, no doubt about it.
As for griefers, they have been around since the release of Prophecies. You can report them. Won't do much good. Same thing with the leechers, report them but nothing much seems to happen.
The griefing problem is much worse on GW than WoW in my experience. Playing WoW since its release, I only saw one griefer there. Comes from having GMs.
ANet does need to step in, no doubt about it.
As for griefers, they have been around since the release of Prophecies. You can report them. Won't do much good. Same thing with the leechers, report them but nothing much seems to happen.
The griefing problem is much worse on GW than WoW in my experience. Playing WoW since its release, I only saw one griefer there. Comes from having GMs.
truemyths
Gaile (thank goodness for Gaile) has noted in late January that the dev team is looking at Ft. Aspenwood.
and, btw, as a dedicated luxon I don't feel bad for you at all. every single match we have to deal with leechers that extremely limit our odds of winning vs. the occasional griefers on the kurzick side
and, btw, as a dedicated luxon I don't feel bad for you at all. every single match we have to deal with leechers that extremely limit our odds of winning vs. the occasional griefers on the kurzick side
Hailey Anne
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Gaile (thank goodness for Gaile) has noted in late January that the dev team is looking at Ft. Aspenwood.
and, btw, as a dedicated luxon I don't feel bad for you at all. every single match we have to deal with leechers that extremely limit our odds of winning vs. the occasional griefers on the kurzick side |
Fay Vert
The problem is a direct consequence of extremely bad game design. Its all down to the Kurzick/Luxon title tracks. Even after the rebalance, these tracks are stupid to attain with normal gameplay. So any persone who wants them, but wants to stay sane, simply afk farms the competative missions.
Pheenix Down
The problem is a direct consequence of extremely lazy people who want titles with minimal effort. Its all down to the Kurzick/Luxon title tracks. Even after the rebalance, these tracks are not that hard to attain with vanquishing. So any person who wants them, but wants them immediately without putting effort into it, simply afk farms the competitive missions.
Mustache Mayhem
lol yeah remember when fort aspenwood was new.. one time I held the inner wall the whole time single handedly as a bonder- noone used to bring enchant removal XD I dunno how it is now but probably the sos
2 good monks could hold them outside.. even with hexers on us (who didn't bother to bring enchant removal)
2 good monks could hold them outside.. even with hexers on us (who didn't bother to bring enchant removal)
Giga_Gaia
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Gaile (thank goodness for Gaile) has noted in late January that the dev team is looking at Ft. Aspenwood.
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And about the whole name thing on Guru.... any mods/admins want to tell me why we can't show their names here? (Out of curiosity)
Squire Heats
It has got to the point where most of the people playing on luxon are leechers. This means anyone who wants a game, will no doubt enter with at least 2 and more probably 5 leechers;
Hence they will not more play games after this. Means the next person to come along to play FA will be put off in a similar way, the leechers stay but any normal players have left.
It can only continue currently if there was a huge influx to the luxon side at the same time, meaning the leechers are spread through groups.
Are these leechers not classed as bots also? They are just 'simple' bots clicking the enter button place every 10 secs or so (or randomized to put off sense of bot)).
Hence they will not more play games after this. Means the next person to come along to play FA will be put off in a similar way, the leechers stay but any normal players have left.
It can only continue currently if there was a huge influx to the luxon side at the same time, meaning the leechers are spread through groups.
Are these leechers not classed as bots also? They are just 'simple' bots clicking the enter button place every 10 secs or so (or randomized to put off sense of bot)).
Painbringer
In Thursday's update it stated
"Warning we will be actively watching all areas of PVP for leeching and botting over the next few weeks we will be punishing and banning as needed. You have been warned."
Oh yeah it was in there cryptic.... but if you take the first vowel and 3 and 6 consonant of every 3rd sentence adding every other 3rd letter of a new paragraph you get the above warning.
"Warning we will be actively watching all areas of PVP for leeching and botting over the next few weeks we will be punishing and banning as needed. You have been warned."
Oh yeah it was in there cryptic.... but if you take the first vowel and 3 and 6 consonant of every 3rd sentence adding every other 3rd letter of a new paragraph you get the above warning.
UnChosen
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The problem is a direct consequence of extremely bad game design. Its all down to the Kurzick/Luxon title tracks. Even after the rebalance, these tracks are stupid to attain with normal gameplay. So any persone who wants them, but wants to stay sane, simply afk farms the competative missions.
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Gigashadow
Don't expect anything more than a slap on the wrist. With the exception of Final Fantasy, no MMO even bans people for gold buying (they all try to make it sound as if they do, but they actually don't).
Red Sonya
The problem is the stupid reporting system and how YOU get dishonor points against YOU if you report someone in FA and the rest of your team doesn't.
s73ve_o
though i agree that it seems to be against the luxons these days, "no longer balanced" is absolutely wrong. For the 1st couple years the odds were stacked pretty decidedly in the Luxon's favor. ive said it before and ill say it again: the kurz have payed our dues, now its the lux turn.
*it seems like there have been alot of complaints about FA and JQ being unbalanced against the luxons ever since the update. if i remember right i rarely if ever saw the kurz complaining. is it just me or are the luxons a bunch of whiners? (no offense) :P
*it seems like there have been alot of complaints about FA and JQ being unbalanced against the luxons ever since the update. if i remember right i rarely if ever saw the kurz complaining. is it just me or are the luxons a bunch of whiners? (no offense) :P
Giga_Gaia
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though i agree that it seems to be against the luxons these days, "no longer balanced" is absolutely wrong. For the 1st couple years the odds were stacked pretty decidedly in the Luxon's favor. ive said it before and ill say it again: the kurz have payed our dues, now its the lux turn.
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*it seems like there have been alot of complaints about FA and JQ being unbalanced against the luxons ever since the update. if i remember right i rarely if ever saw the kurz complaining. is it just me or are the luxons a bunch of whiners? (no offense) :P
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FoxBat
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though i agree that it seems to be against the luxons these days, "no longer balanced" is absolutely wrong. For the 1st couple years the odds were stacked pretty decidedly in the Luxon's favor. ive said it before and ill say it again: the kurz have payed our dues, now its the lux turn.
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Also, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Luxons would actually play FA and not force you to wait 10 years to enter match if they had a fair chance at winning.
The heal sig buff was noticeable, the luxon warrior idiots tend to survive against the ele NPCs now. They still do next to nothing when pushing into the green gate though.
The only small JQ imbalance (which applies in some degree to FA) is that luxons generally get more leechers due to the smaller number of players. Not only do the leechers get faster games due to no wait times, when the number of luxon players is small, they can make up half the entering party- because a leech "plays" 24/7 while other players come and go.
Still the win/loss ratio in JQ feels about even to me, mostly determined by how many RoJ monks there are. >_> So I'll keep going there instead of wasting time in FA.
Esprit
I would also like to note that the Kurzick/Luxon title track is not the only cause of leechers in FA/JQ.
You see r12's leeching because of their Alliance owning towns.
They either leech to fulfill their daily quota, leech to get paid (if you are in such a guild) to donate, or leech just because it's effortless faction gain (no need to VQ or actually fight when you get it for free and otherwise waste your time).
If Anet took away the reason for leeching (Amber/Jade, Zkeys, titles, etc...) they would probably kill the activity of those arenas too.
You see r12's leeching because of their Alliance owning towns.
They either leech to fulfill their daily quota, leech to get paid (if you are in such a guild) to donate, or leech just because it's effortless faction gain (no need to VQ or actually fight when you get it for free and otherwise waste your time).
If Anet took away the reason for leeching (Amber/Jade, Zkeys, titles, etc...) they would probably kill the activity of those arenas too.