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Yang Whirlwind

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17 Dec 2008 at 22:04 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

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Seems you are the only one who feels this is an invalid comparison.
It has nothing to do with whether or not unconditionals could be created by the megabyte truckload or not, it has something to do with the fact the they never will.
Anet removed them from the drop tables for a reason and the basis for that decision has not changed.

Art often takes a great leap in value when the artist dies. Why,- is the art suddenly better? No, but since the artist died, we now know exactly how many pieces are available, no new ones will ever be created. That is what drives up the price in those cases, not the actual artistic value.
If a coin from the 12.th century is one of only five known to exist, it will have a high value.
If a huge chest of identical coins are suddenly discovered, the price plummets! (seen examples of this)

As always Guild Wars emulates real life in this.

As earlier quoted, "rare" is defined by the dictionary as something scarce and unusual.
Weapons do not come more scarce or unusual than the unconditionals!

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

17 Dec 2008 at 23:47 - 42

A rare item is, by definition, rare.

So let us define: what is rare?

Really rare is that something useful comes out of a thread like this.

Crom The Pale

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17 Dec 2008 at 23:56 - 43

I think the simplest deffinition of rare is often the best for most. That means that those items that are in low supply are rare and those that appear in large quantities are not.

However I also think we need to divide items that still drop from those that don't occur anymore. The reason being that if the item is so rare it is beyond 99% of the players reach then it might as well not exist. An example would be the mini-pet Frog. Only 1 exists and no other person will ever get one, as far as I am aware of at least.

This breaks down all items in GW into 3 catagories.

1) Common
2) Rare
3) Unique

Fallen SeraphiM

Grotto Attendant

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18 Dec 2008 at 00:11 - 44

rarity is just drop rate,nothing more.Prices on those items are the other thing...that all depends on ppl.
Still,if we can talk about rare weapons in game......q8 15% unconditional>req8 15^50 dwarven axe>everything else (yes,this dwarven is far more rarer than allmightly q8 15^50 crystalline)

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

18 Dec 2008 at 01:55 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom the Pale

This breaks down all items in GW into 3 catagories.

1) Common
2) Rare
3) Unique

Basically this. Unique separates items that can no longer be obtained in-game, and may or may not be rare (ie HoD Sword). This is therefore a separate distinction from rarity.

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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

The 10/10 Sundering mod is rare to come by these days, since they no longer drop in the game. For this reason alone, people buy them at prices greater than you could hope to get for a 20/20 Sundering.

Although these no longer drop from monsters, they can still be obtained. For 3 Mini Polar Bears (rare) I'll tell you how to get them, just drop a PM. See, I just made a seasonal rarity joke

Anyways, I have 4-5 10/10 sundering sword hilts from completing this quest with my newer Prophecies characters. I can confirm as of yesterday (completed quest) the 10/10 sundering mod is present on the reward sword and that it can be salvaged off. As for other weapons, I seem to recall a hammer or axe reward with 10/10 but I do not remember where.

Balkoth

Ascalonian Squire

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Amerika

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18 Dec 2008 at 02:15 - 46

i have -50 major smiting rune. i can't sell it to the trader.

is that rare?

blood4blood

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

18 Dec 2008 at 02:38 - 47

I've got a 6-9 dmg no req purple scimitar with a +12%/-1 health regen and a +1dmg/-1 health vampiric mod. Purples with -1 health regen inherents are now always +13% or +14%, not +12%. (http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_modifier) The +1/-1 blue vamp mods haven't dropped for 2 1/2 years (http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vampiric).

Rare? Yeah. Valuable? No, I don't think so.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

18 Dec 2008 at 08:18 - 48

isn't rarity simply directly correlated with drop rate? roughly correlated to value (ie increasing rarity -> increasing value) but not a hard rule.

fwiw, I have a r8 15>50 swamp club, a r8 15>50 magmas and a r8 15>50 summit hammer. collected em a long time ago and just let em gather dust, I guess

my warrior has a set of r8 15>50 broadswords (canthan) and r8 15>50 runic axes customized for her use. chump change for some of the big dogs here, but good enough to keep me satisfied indefinitely.

Yang Whirlwind

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18 Dec 2008 at 10:52 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

Anyways, I have 4-5 10/10 sundering sword hilts from completing this quest with my newer Prophecies characters. I can confirm as of yesterday (completed quest) the 10/10 sundering mod is present on the reward sword and that it can be salvaged off. As for other weapons, I seem to recall a hammer or axe reward with 10/10 but I do not remember where.

Didn't know about that quest.
Guess the joke is on the people who've paid good money for these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balkoth

i have -50 major smiting rune. i can't sell it to the trader.

is that rare?

To some degree, since they no longer drop. Runes were changed a long time ago, which is why the rune trader doesn't recognize the one you have.
Unfortunately, it is not valuable.

retcute but deadly

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2008

When We Where the New Girls

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18 Dec 2008 at 14:33 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

I think the simplest deffinition of rare is often the best for most. That means that those items that are in low supply are rare and those that appear in large quantities are not.

However I also think we need to divide items that still drop from those that don't occur anymore. The reason being that if the item is so rare it is beyond 99% of the players reach then it might as well not exist. An example would be the mini-pet Frog. Only 1 exists and no other person will ever get one, as far as I am aware of at least.

This breaks down all items in GW into 3 catagories.

1) Common
2) Rare
3) Unique

and
4) Antiquated

That is Q7 and weapons with mods that dont excist anymore.

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l Rainy l

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18 Dec 2008 at 18:22 - 51

Definition: An ugly skin that I can't afford.

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Academy Page

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When We Where the New Girls

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19 Dec 2008 at 16:39 - 52

We see many Q8 weapon, but do they excist?

The reason i ask is that many of the Screencaps we see are from the old BMP days.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

19 Dec 2008 at 17:34 - 53

do you mean do they still drop? I think q8 weapons still drop, but just really rare, kind of like q7 back before. As for "do they exist" uhh yeah I am using like 8 right now.

Nightow

Forge Runner

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19 Dec 2008 at 17:38 - 54

Yes, q8's still drop. I've seen 2 q8 shields drop within the last 3 months. One was in CoF, other one was in the Hidden City in NF. I've never seen a q8 weapon drop though, even after playing for over 3 years now. I think q8 weapons are rarer than shields and possibly foci.

Chez92

Pre-Searing Cadet

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19 Dec 2008 at 18:22 - 55

is that rare- double damage mod and can i get some money from this?

EroChrono

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19 Dec 2008 at 19:06 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chez92

is that rare- double damage mod and can i get some money from this?

Nope sorry, it's just a bow grip of deathbane. For other damage dealing suffix mods, check wiki.

Req8 weapons still drop, but max inscribable req8 weapons seem to be fairly specific, I think they are limited to swords, shields & off hands. I'm interested to see if anyone can provide screens to prove otherwise

Zamochit

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19 Dec 2008 at 19:15 - 57

Officially "Rare" is any 'gold' item

Unofficially its whatever the market dictates is rare. Perfect dual modded low req shields seem to hold their value best atm, as do r7s and ... High end minipets (/sigh)

In my honest opinion nothing with an inscription slot should constitute as truely rare as they all drop 'perfect' to all intents and purposes.

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

19 Dec 2008 at 20:44 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zamochit

Officially "Rare" is any 'gold' item

Unofficially its whatever the market dictates is rare. Perfect dual modded low req shields seem to hold their value best atm, as do r7s and ... High end minipets (/sigh)

In my honest opinion nothing with an inscription slot should constitute as truely rare as they all drop 'perfect' to all intents and purposes.

I'd include r8 axes and r8 hammers with the r7s, since there are no r7 max hammers (as far as I'm aware) and r7 axes are so rare that I'd say they pretty much don't exist for all intents and purposes (unlike r7 swords, which are way more common).

_Todeshand_

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19 Dec 2008 at 22:32 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I'd include r8 axes and r8 hammers with the r7s, since there are no r7 max hammers (as far as I'm aware) and r7 axes are so rare that I'd say they pretty much don't exist for all intents and purposes (unlike r7 swords, which are way more common).

I myself had a req7 15^50 Spikey Warhammer, know of a req7 15/ench Foehammer, and I had several (don't remember - like 2 or 3) req7 axes, I also know of some more:

req7 15^50 War Axe, Summit Axe, Great Axe, Cleaver; req7 15/ench Cleaver; req7 14/st Great Axe; req7 15/ench Hand Axe; req7 15/-5 Cleaver

PS: If you need screens... search the forums - I am too busy atm, sorry

retcute but deadly

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21 Dec 2008 at 12:19 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

do you mean do they still drop? I think q8 weapons still drop, but just really rare, kind of like q7 back before. As for "do they exist" uhh yeah I am using like 8 right now.

I know they exist, i have 11 myself and a q7
No the question was, why many people use old screencap in BMP solution when they present them (tell about all the Q8 they have)....maybe they dont have them any more or have sold them?
Offen when people show those weapon and you ask for them, they dont sell or just have sold to a fantastic prize.

..i was just wondering ^^

(BMP was only used the first year in GW, then it was chanced to JPG)

Crom The Pale

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21 Dec 2008 at 13:53 - 61

I have at least one R8 Eye of the North skin, so yes they do still drop. Max Highlander sword in case you were wondering.

Cirian

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European Union

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23 Dec 2008 at 23:35 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by I MP I

I own a maxed Ascalon Maul that's old school this is the only one I currently have and it's dyed old silver.

<snip>

Nice! Thanks for posting that

Curin Derwin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

26 Jan 2010 at 02:45 - 63

r.9 15^50 Ascalon Maul, unisc.
No clue on it's value, though. =\

Lensor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

26 Jan 2010 at 11:20 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by retcute but deadly

(BMP was only used the first year in GW, then it was chanced to JPG)

As default, yes, but lots of people, maybe especially people "showing off" their loot, use the -bmp short cut modifier to force bmp screenshots.

Gafgarion

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26 Jan 2010 at 11:44 - 65

I remember there used to be a certain chest in a remote shiverpeaks area that would drop something like 5-15 items, including dwarven and serpent axes, and crystalline swords. IIRC it had been nerfed and then removed...
Then there was a Sorrow's furnace chest - I think in the middle of the Kilroy quest, that did the same but for a single item, usually purple.

So is there any place other than the HoH chest to get those 3 items anymore?

What I don't understand is, oldschool items are not really "oldschool" since they still drop (no negs excluded ofc). I see Mursaat Hammers and the like going for a bazillion plat when the Ring of Fire missions are still there. What gives?

aspi

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eeew

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26 Jan 2010 at 13:05 - 66

Never seen one drop, but req8 being rare that is only logical.

Has anyone got one lately, or even know a person that found one in game they can be sure of?

tasha

Auctions Mod

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26 Jan 2010 at 13:49 - 67

I was once shown a max gold staff that had no requirement on it. Sadly the player stopped playing soon after Factions was released. It dropped in the first few weeks of the game and was removed from the tables (alongside the unconditional damage martial weapons). No, I don't have any pictures to back up my claim - I was shown it in trade a long time ago and lost those screenshots in a pc format. You'll either have to trust me or decide not to.

Rarest thing I have is an uninscribable Emblazoned Defender r9 tactics +30/2 stance that dropped around 4 weeks after Factions was released. And even that isn't rare these days.

Arduin

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26 Jan 2010 at 16:20 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gafgarion

What I don't understand is, oldschool items are not really "oldschool" since they still drop (no negs excluded ofc). I see Mursaat Hammers and the like going for a bazillion plat when the Ring of Fire missions are still there. What gives?

They don't drop very often in a req 8/9 15^50 format.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

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27 Jan 2010 at 03:15 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasha

I was once shown a max gold staff that had no requirement on it. Sadly the player stopped playing soon after Factions was released. It dropped in the first few weeks of the game and was removed from the tables (alongside the unconditional damage martial weapons). No, I don't have any pictures to back up my claim - I was shown it in trade a long time ago and lost those screenshots in a pc format. You'll either have to trust me or decide not to.

Those no req staves weren't really max, they had +10 energy and possible max HCT and/or HSR mods but damage was far from max - it varied from 6-8 to 7-11.
They weren't very rare or valuable back in the first weeks when they dropped but today they're extremelly rare as only very few are kept on active accounts.

Gutemuh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

27 Jan 2010 at 10:27 - 70

I will get flamed for this and technically it´s not a "real" weapon, it´s a staff, but who cares.

Some of you might say: Meh, what an ugly skin and that´s not worth a lot,
but when you talk about raritiy, this one is right up there and in contrast to the unconditionals
who have been discussed about a hundred times before, it´s quite new.

Muh

Pleikki

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27 Jan 2010 at 11:55 - 71

Uhh yeah sure Shadow staff inscri for that attri is fairly rare. but still they do still drop. like insc Ghostlys and shadow staffs supposed only drop for primary attris. atleast according several ppl and wiki.
still theres fairly many of those around for other attris so im positively sure they still drop, personally dont know where tho.

Gutemuh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

27 Jan 2010 at 12:37 - 72

Ghostly inscripted non-primary and shaddow-staff inscripted non-primary are not in the same league.

What I like about the shaddow staff is exactly the fact, that it still might drop, but where are all those non-primary attribute shaddow staffs?
I can´t see them.

I don´t want to hyjack this thread, I just wanted to pick up the initial question of the thread starter:
What have we left?
And point out that there are a lot of nice super-rare items left in the game that don´t start with uncond... and prener... or even oldscho...

muh

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

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27 Jan 2010 at 13:15 - 73

That one weapon/armor piece with the fugly skin that completely feels out of place on the character wearing it, requires nothing more than hours to grind for materials.

Essence Snow

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EST

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27 Jan 2010 at 14:13 - 74

Just a ? out of curiosity.....Why are any of these worth soo much since GW2 is up and comming?..It seems that once GW2 comes out, all of these will pretty much lose all value. It would also appear that ded minis have this same issue. Once GW2 comes out the majority of players that are willing to spend any considerable funds on such an item will be indulged in GW2 vs concerned over items in GW that cannot be transferred over. So, if this catch 22 holds water, that age increases value (time from availablity) and impending loss of value decreases cost....Why are these worth so much?.......I'm not trying to degrade anything or anyone....just curious.

prism2525

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27 Jan 2010 at 14:53 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Just a ? out of curiosity.....Why are any of these worth soo much since GW2 is up and comming?..It seems that once GW2 comes out, all of these will pretty much lose all value. It would also appear that ded minis have this same issue. Once GW2 comes out the majority of players that are willing to spend any considerable funds on such an item will be indulged in GW2 vs concerned over items in GW that cannot be transferred over. So, if this catch 22 holds water, that age increases value (time from availablity) and impending loss of value decreases cost....Why are these worth so much?.......I'm not trying to degrade anything or anyone....just curious.

coz they'd still be the ultimate gw1 uber-rare weapons. I wonder what someone would say if the servers are shut off right after he bought a 1000k item after saving for 1.5 years.

ofc the seller wouldn't be able to enjoy his $$ either.

what i'm hoping for in gw2 is loads of animated weapons (caster too ffs)

Gutemuh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

27 Jan 2010 at 15:01 - 76

Two factors

First you underestimate the still present demand for these rare items. Hundreds of active districts at wintersday are proof that against all odds GW1 ist still running pretty wild. A lot of veterans are coming back from absence and new players buying the cheap 4-campaign offers.
On the other hand there were always big collectors going inactive taking a lot of those rare items with them or for example customise rare weapons or minis or even get banned from the game for whatever reason. All this rises demand and shortens supply which results in rising prices.

The second factor is quite obvius: GW2 ist still far far away and even when it hits the shelves, rare GW1 items will still be rare GW1 items and things like HOM and a cheap price for a lot of good content will make GW1 still fairly attractive for a lot of players. So even then prices will probaly not fall that much.

muh

aspi

Desert Nomad

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eeew

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27 Jan 2010 at 15:22 - 77

There better be some real rare weapons in GW2, or I wil be dissapointed to the max.

Boss weapons should be customized for the person it drops for, really unique items should be tradable. But what do I know.

Enon

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27 Jan 2010 at 15:35 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnage-runner

*big wall of text about awesome unique weapons*

Yet I still beat you in an one-on-one and I'm better at PvE...

Del

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27 Jan 2010 at 15:52 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

I'm better at PvE...

Tremendous accomplishment.

aspi

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eeew

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27 Jan 2010 at 16:20 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

Yet I still beat you in an one-on-one and I'm better at PvE...

Better at pve lmao, how do we measure this exactly?