Rayway (Monk Team Build) [Merged]

and you are 1 hero off from being able to have constant [aegis] chain.

The only thing im worried about is the 30 second recharge on the primary damaging skill. DO heroes actually chain stuff well? I can remember when I was on my paragon the hero paragon would just replace my 'Stand your ground' instead of waiting till mine expired.

DO heroes actually chain stuff well? I can remember when I was on my paragon the hero paragon would just replace my 'Stand your ground' instead of waiting till mine expired. Heroes do like to recast enchantments as soon as they run out. So most of the time when [[aegis] runs out, whoever has a charged aegis will go ahead and cast it. The only exception is when 2 or 3 heroes try to cast it at the same time, but that is rare because they are usually casting other spells.

Heroes are pretty mindless when it comes to prots so that is why they are so good with full party prots like [aegis] because they just recast when it runs out. Having 3-4 heros with [[aegis] will give them the opportunity to recast as soon as the enchantment ends.

If you want to help this out, then you can put them on recharge intervals by manually casting [aegis] for each of them at the 10 second intervals which will help keep them casting in that same order.

1. disable [[aegis] on each hero
2. cast [aegis] on first hero
3. wait till it ends and cast on next hero
4. repeat on other heroes and re enable the skills

they should all cast it when it recharges for them which will be at 10 second intervals.

Unless someone would recommend which 3 of the 6 heroes to take. It should take too much common sense to cone to the conclusion that you should take one of each of the 3 lines (smiter, healer, and protter)

the builds dont have much diversity aside from the one having [[smite hex] and the other having [[smite condition]

but just in cast ill do it for you

Smiter I
[build prof=Mo/Me smi=12 div=10 ins=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][reversal of damage][smite condition][heavens delight][divine healing][smiters boon][power drain][/build]

Prot II
[build prof=Mo/E pro=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][reversal of damage][smite hex][smiters boon][shield of absorption][aegis][glyph of lesser energy][/build]

Heal I
[build prof=Mo/Rt hea=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][divine intervention][smite condition][healing whisper][signet of rejuvenation][patient spirit][death pact signet][/build]

there you go or you could even take the other 3 just because the builds are soo similar.

Smiter II
[build prof=Mo/Me smi=12 div=10 ins=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][reversal of damage][smite hex][heavens delight][divine healing][smiters boon][power drain][/build]
Prot I
[build prof=Mo/E pro=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][judges intervention][smite condition][smiters boon][protective spirit][aegis][glyph of lesser energy][/build]
Heal II
[build prof=Mo/Rt hea=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][reversal of damage][smite hex][healing whisper][signet of rejuvenation][patient spirit][death pact signet][/build]

or for the diversity you could do
Smiter II
[build prof=Mo/Me smi=12 div=10 ins=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][reversal of damage][smite hex][heavens delight][divine healing][smiters boon][power drain][/build]
Prot I
[build prof=Mo/E pro=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][judges intervention][smite condition][smiters boon][protective spirit][aegis][glyph of lesser energy][/build]
Heal I
[build prof=Mo/Rt hea=10 smi=12 div=8][ray of judgment][castigation signet][divine intervention][smite condition][healing whisper][signet of rejuvenation][patient spirit][death pact signet][/build]
that way you can have [[reversal of damage], [[judges intervention]and [[divine intervention] on your team and still retain the better protter with [[aegis], [[protective spirit]

I'm not terribly fond of Death Pact as a hard rez. Particularly if it is the only hard rez, making it difficult to recover from a near wipe. At least one of the monks should be carrying an alternative, IMO. DPS is actually a good choice IF you are vanquishing because it keeps one of the heroes from reaching 60DP and lowers the chance of you getting kicked out (not accounting for consummables that is). It also produces more corpses for your MM as a side effect.

On the other hand, DPS is a bad choice when you are in a mission where a single party wipe would cause you to fail rather than res in a shrine. Switch the DPS for FOMF instead.

- Ideally, one of the human players should be an SY! spammer, which allows us to take a lot of defense off the monk bars. You could actually switch a few from Mo/* to N/Mo for better emgt and flexibility (minions, hexes, etc.). Like I have said, it is still not on the same level as sabway or discordway yet comparing the 3-man version with their 3-man version. But it can be improved upon.

I still get team wiped in certain HM areas that I would normally succeed with sabway/discordway.

I don't think anyone imagines that beamway is as effective as sab/discordway in its current form, so there's no reason to continue to raise that point.

The main issue with beamway is that getting max damage out of RoJ isn't trivial in general; the AoE is both small and stationary. Smiting Prayers is also a weaker skill line than Death Magic, and necros are superior to monks as a general caster class due to their emgt options. I'm not convinced that the build will ever be able to overcome these fundamental problems - not to the point of matching the current necro teams, anyway. I guess I am alittle more optimistic than you are then. I think the build has promise to be the next sabway.

If primary necros work better, then what about using N/Mos instead? I agree with you that RoJ has a small range and heroes sometimes cast it on a moving target. To fix that, maybe we need a snare or minions to hold the aggro?

I think it definitely can be optimized further.