I've played in Jade Quarry from the very beginning, before you got 3,500 faction for winning, and when you could kill the Ranger NPCs before the game started and corpse travel into the arena before the portals and gates opened. Some called it cheating, others considered it a strategic advantage.
As a Kurzick, I have always enjoyed playing in Jade Quarry because of how often the Kurzick side won. I am talking about about winning streaks in the double digits. Even after the Ranger corpse travel tactic was fixed, Kurzicks continued to dominate in Jade Quarry, and because of that, it died out, with Luxons not wanting to play.
With the recent faction update, Arena Net breathed life back into Jade Quarry with the faction gain near the top of the list for faction gain per hour. Yet, I am finding that I still win 7 out of 10 games (or higher).
What has always confounded me, is WHY Kurzicks win so often. The map is [supposedly] balanced with both sides having an equal chance to win. Purple and Green quarries are equi-distant to Kurzick and Luxon sides, respectively, and the Yellow quarry the same distance from both sides.
While it would be easy to say it is because Kurzick players are better, I can hardly believe that Kurzick player skill is greater than Luxon player skill in Jade Quarry. Or is it?
I am not definitely not complaining, because it is nice to donate 50k faction (before double) every few hours, but perhaps someone else can enlighten me on what has Kuzicks winning much more often than Luxons.
Kurzick dominance in Jade Quarry
Esprit
Dragonire
This is something I've noticed too - I've gone days without losing a single match, which is strange considering Jade Quarry is completely (or should be) balanced on both sides (unlike Fort Aspenwood). Perhaps there are just more people aiming for the Kurzick title? After vanquishing, JQ is one of the faster ways of gaining faction so... *Shrug*
I'd be interested in knowing why as well. :P
I'd be interested in knowing why as well. :P
edlittle
I think it's because of the bots that are there (Green Quarry, Purple Quarry, and some other ones.)
Nessar
I'm not really sure why kurzies win so much. I've went on streaks upon streaks. Maybe a few had bots, but I'm sure most were human players.
I find that once you take yellow and purple and hold them, you've practically won. Unless there is no monk and the juggies are dieing constantly, making it so that the lux win. Other then that...*shrugs* yellow & purp ftw
I find that once you take yellow and purple and hold them, you've practically won. Unless there is no monk and the juggies are dieing constantly, making it so that the lux win. Other then that...*shrugs* yellow & purp ftw
jackinthe
i've noticed that kurzicks generally have more monks.
luxons have taken longer to catch on and some even still run bombers, not realizing a monk can save the shrine.
also, i commonly see guild sync on the kurzick side, which is not to say luxons don't sync also, but because of HFFF the majority of ff guilds are kurzick.
luxons have taken longer to catch on and some even still run bombers, not realizing a monk can save the shrine.
also, i commonly see guild sync on the kurzick side, which is not to say luxons don't sync also, but because of HFFF the majority of ff guilds are kurzick.
ajc2123
I dunno why, but its a damn good thing kurzicks win that area, since they cant do shit in AB when I'm online.
Im just glad they revived both competetive missions. Now its fun again!
Im just glad they revived both competetive missions. Now its fun again!
L|S >+>+G+<+<
well...speaking from the luxon side of things its utter bs. a lot of luxons seem to not care or listen to the shout of *cap yellow n green*.
also I think there are kurzick people that join the game then leave immediately giving us a disadvantage.
I'm sure it happens the other way round too but perhaps not so much?
Maybe you kurzicks just listen to each other more than not and work as a team *shrug*
bots do not help either :|
merry xmas to all anyway, hope you had a nice one!!!! (except the twat botters!!!)
also I think there are kurzick people that join the game then leave immediately giving us a disadvantage.
I'm sure it happens the other way round too but perhaps not so much?
Maybe you kurzicks just listen to each other more than not and work as a team *shrug*
bots do not help either :|
merry xmas to all anyway, hope you had a nice one!!!! (except the twat botters!!!)
Shayne Hawke
I've never been able to explain this myself, but I sorta feel the same way with a Luxon dominance at Fort Aspenwood. I haven't played FA very many times in the past year, but it never really seemed like the Kurzicks could do much of anything there.
Don't be fooled though. I've met some pretty god awful Kurzicks in JQ, as well as some Luxons that turned out to be worthy opponents. I've never lost though on the Kurzick side though, either because there was such a difference in skill level that the Kurzicks grabbed an early lead and held it, or because I'd rage when people would be dumb, like forgetting to go for Purple.
Don't be fooled though. I've met some pretty god awful Kurzicks in JQ, as well as some Luxons that turned out to be worthy opponents. I've never lost though on the Kurzick side though, either because there was such a difference in skill level that the Kurzicks grabbed an early lead and held it, or because I'd rage when people would be dumb, like forgetting to go for Purple.
Klem Da Aussie
idk but what i see alot on the lux side is bots that just follow the nearest thing (but not enemies) and if that thing dies it switches to another thing.
Balky
I was just going to post on this, don`t know about the Kurz side, but literally every game on the Lux, we seem to have at least one bot, or what i`d suspect is a Kurz player who joins then leaves before start leaving us one down. It`s really starting to piss me off !!!!
Some games we`ve dropped and there`s been two bots and a leaver ffs , repeated reports seem to do nothing about it, even mailing anet with screenshots of a monk running round inside base healing defenders does nothing !
On the few it now seems occasions we drop with a full team of Lux players, we win at least 50% , it`s getting to the stag ei just can`t be bothered with it, at least AB has less of the above, but then it gives lower faction, so probably isn`t worth the botters/leavers time.
Some games we`ve dropped and there`s been two bots and a leaver ffs , repeated reports seem to do nothing about it, even mailing anet with screenshots of a monk running round inside base healing defenders does nothing !
On the few it now seems occasions we drop with a full team of Lux players, we win at least 50% , it`s getting to the stag ei just can`t be bothered with it, at least AB has less of the above, but then it gives lower faction, so probably isn`t worth the botters/leavers time.
Dookie Dookz
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With the recent faction update, Arena Net breathed life back into Jade Quarry with the faction gain near the top of the list for faction gain per hour. Yet, I am finding that I still win 7 out of 10 games (or higher).
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Balky
The Nec and Monk in picture 
Konig Des Todes
@^: First, no posting names. Second, you show 2 monks in the picture itself and 3 monks in the team bar. With Two Necros in the team bar. 
Codin The Great
if kurzick are winning a lot then im fine with watever is wrong hehe :P
Balky
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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin;
@^: First, no posting names. Second, you show 2 monks in the picture itself and 3 monks in the team bar. With Two Necros in the team bar.
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Don`t take a genius to work out which ones in pic, the team bar isn`t relevant , but its the pgm monk ok
Reflect
tbh, Kurzicks Pwn both FA znd JQ.....
from what i`ve seen luxies do better on AB tho
from what i`ve seen luxies do better on AB tho
BoondockSaint
Intreasting that such a thread was started because I noticed the same thing. While I expected to not have as much control of the winning and losing as say when our guild gvgs and HA, the win/loss ratio in jade is not preportional.
Now please someone dont come and say LUXON SUK!!!! ect. and turn this into a flame thread. Back on topic, I have really tried a number of builds even monk, which I really dont like, but tolorate in RA for easier wins.
Just to test this all our, about a week ago I switched to kurz. with my pvp character and there was many more wins on that side.
Anyways to finish, I agree, and am unsure why this happens but hope it will begin to balance out before the majority of luxon give up and jade becomes a ghost town.
Now please someone dont come and say LUXON SUK!!!! ect. and turn this into a flame thread. Back on topic, I have really tried a number of builds even monk, which I really dont like, but tolorate in RA for easier wins.
Just to test this all our, about a week ago I switched to kurz. with my pvp character and there was many more wins on that side.
Anyways to finish, I agree, and am unsure why this happens but hope it will begin to balance out before the majority of luxon give up and jade becomes a ghost town.
Breakfast Mc Rit
Maybe you all are unknowingly synced to other half-decent players, because I've had plenty of losses due to horrible players, bots/leechers, and good Luxon rangers that know how to pick off the offense. I can usually remedy this by waiting for a few seconds to rejoin.
slowerpoke
it is a pretty horrible map. that and all those suicide bombing n/a's
but why is it symmetrically balanced with no advantage for the Lux? FA certainly is setup to be stronger for the Kurzick
but why is it symmetrically balanced with no advantage for the Lux? FA certainly is setup to be stronger for the Kurzick
FoxBat
My guess- FAoften has a significant wait time on the kurzick side, due to the kurzies outnumbering luxons greatly. Kurzick bots therefore figure they have more efficient places to farm; luxon bots do not.
Forgotton200
We Kurzicks are simply much more superior. We have knowledge and power. It is a pity for the Luxons, going against the Gods. Don't get your hopes up just because the turtle out ran the rabbit once. This is completely irrelevant.
TideSwayer
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Originally Posted by Klem Da Aussie
idk but what i see alot on the lux side is bots that just follow the nearest thing (but not enemies) and if that thing dies it switches to another thing.
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Seriously - this is why we can't have nice things. Do any legit players even use the follow party member hotkeys in things such as FA/JQ/AB? Hell, I even see people running multiple accounts botting their secondaries onto their primary (ie. 2nd and 3rd accounts follow around the account they're actually playing) to farm Balth faction for z-keys. Get these bottable people out of my FA/JQ/AB ANet!
Esprit
I've seen a couple posts mention bots. Either I do not notice them or they are not as common on the Kurzick side. I could be because there are so many more Kurzicks wanting to play that the chance of getting a bot is less than compared to the Luxon side or there are simply less bots on the Kurzick side. Most Kurzicks are pretty good at reporting leechers as well, if that counts for anything.
As for teamwork? Kurzicks really have no teamwork either. You enter by yourself and you play by yourself. Sometimes you will get monks to heal you (that's their job right?) and other times not. I would say the most words that are said in the beginning of the match are "4-0-4" or "keep purple and yellow and we win" or "person with speed boost go yellow". Of course if we start losing, you see more words in teamchat
Half the time I get a team with necro bombers and RoJ smiters and the other half it's a grab bag of builds. People do sync, but it's not too common. Once I saw players named "The Yellow Quarry" and "The Purple Quarry". Those two said "The Green Quarry" didn't make it in.
As for teamwork? Kurzicks really have no teamwork either. You enter by yourself and you play by yourself. Sometimes you will get monks to heal you (that's their job right?) and other times not. I would say the most words that are said in the beginning of the match are "4-0-4" or "keep purple and yellow and we win" or "person with speed boost go yellow". Of course if we start losing, you see more words in teamchat
Half the time I get a team with necro bombers and RoJ smiters and the other half it's a grab bag of builds. People do sync, but it's not too common. Once I saw players named "The Yellow Quarry" and "The Purple Quarry". Those two said "The Green Quarry" didn't make it in.
upier
I'd imagine that the Kurzick side (as a whole and not as a side in JQ) just has more people that are playing to win.
The people that wanted to get the title as fast as possible gravitated to the Kurzick side and unless one is a Luxon fan, there really was no reason to go the turtle-way.
And now after the nerfs - these people are still playing to win.
Just in different areas.
You probably have better players on the Kurzick side - but the reason why they are on the Kurzick side is because that side is easier.
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I mean that the Kurzick side as whole offers an easier way to advance the title.
You had HFFF and anyone who just wanted the title (and they didn't care which faction they get it from) would have to be insane to go Luxon. A better player will not choose a side that is at a disadvantage if he is trying to win.
And now - even if the SPECIFIC arena map is balanced - the Kurzick side will have better players because the better players went Kurzick since it's (or was) at an advantage in other places.
The people that wanted to get the title as fast as possible gravitated to the Kurzick side and unless one is a Luxon fan, there really was no reason to go the turtle-way.
And now after the nerfs - these people are still playing to win.
Just in different areas.
You probably have better players on the Kurzick side - but the reason why they are on the Kurzick side is because that side is easier.
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Originally Posted by Reflect
they are completelly the same dificulty level for both factions
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You had HFFF and anyone who just wanted the title (and they didn't care which faction they get it from) would have to be insane to go Luxon. A better player will not choose a side that is at a disadvantage if he is trying to win.
And now - even if the SPECIFIC arena map is balanced - the Kurzick side will have better players because the better players went Kurzick since it's (or was) at an advantage in other places.
Reflect
lmao
they are completelly the same dificulty level for both factions
they are completelly the same dificulty level for both factions
-Old 3FL-
Simple:
Kurzick's rule.
:P
Kurzick's rule.
:P
Voltar
wow, i take a break for a few months and people are playing jade quarry?
i think i'm going to check this out. having only played fa (both kurzick and luxon in the days when it was <1k faction reward) i'd imagine that it's tactically a mirror of that...
in aspenwood:
1. kurzicks have the tactical advantage if the kurzicks and luxons both know what they're doing. my biggest successes as Luxon have been with single-target DPS (since the goal is really to kill one guy...pretty straight-forward...gives the luxons a bonus since the instinct to zerg is innate in gamers when in unfamiliar circumstances)
2. luxons have the significant advantage when both sides are dumb-zerging. my biggest successes as a kurzick have been on my monk (a healing prot/bond) when the luxons have little idea what they're doing.
interestingly, the 2 arenas seem to be setup as blatantly offensive vs defensive. in the nature of this game, that gives an advantage to the offensive team unless the defenders know what they're doing. the omfg-damage team will still win.
my guess is once a few luxons play kurzick, the kurzicks will not be able to walk all over us as easily as we did over kurzicks in the first couple years of fa.
i think i'm going to check this out. having only played fa (both kurzick and luxon in the days when it was <1k faction reward) i'd imagine that it's tactically a mirror of that...
in aspenwood:
1. kurzicks have the tactical advantage if the kurzicks and luxons both know what they're doing. my biggest successes as Luxon have been with single-target DPS (since the goal is really to kill one guy...pretty straight-forward...gives the luxons a bonus since the instinct to zerg is innate in gamers when in unfamiliar circumstances)
2. luxons have the significant advantage when both sides are dumb-zerging. my biggest successes as a kurzick have been on my monk (a healing prot/bond) when the luxons have little idea what they're doing.
interestingly, the 2 arenas seem to be setup as blatantly offensive vs defensive. in the nature of this game, that gives an advantage to the offensive team unless the defenders know what they're doing. the omfg-damage team will still win.
my guess is once a few luxons play kurzick, the kurzicks will not be able to walk all over us as easily as we did over kurzicks in the first couple years of fa.
Voltar
wtf? second post?
in that case let me state that my favorite cake is cheesecake and therefor i prefer pie.
in that case let me state that my favorite cake is cheesecake and therefor i prefer pie.
Shayne Hawke
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interestingly, the 2 arenas seem to be setup as blatantly offensive vs defensive.
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That's one reason why I'd prefer JQ, regardless of which side had a streak. The arena itself is symmetrical, so both sides should have an even chance of winning, as well as even benefits/constraints.
Rhamia Darigaz
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And this is why there will never be a balance in such an arena. You can try to push power to one side or the other as much as you want, but one side is always going to have a clear advantage over the other from some standpoint.
That's one reason why I'd prefer JQ, regardless of which side had a streak. The arena itself is symmetrical, so both sides should have an even chance of winning, as well as even benefits/constraints. |
Therlun
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which is why FA should randomly assign one team to offense and one team to defense each game.
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@OP
I assume that Kurzicks are simply better trained because of Aspenwood. :P
Instead of having NPCs do all the work Kurzicks actually have to fight there... Months and years of fighting Turtles, perfectly synchronised Coward spamming warriors and decent mine NPCs while having only completely useless NPCs themselves simply made them better fighters :P.
Dragonire
It could also be that the notion that Kurzicks win more often at JQ is fueling itself. Those who have no allegiance to either faction would likely play on the "winning side". :P
Zahr Dalsk
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Abedeus
I've heard somewhere that Luxons enjoy being overpowered.
*tee hee hee*
*tee hee hee*
shadows of hob
Well, just look at the buildings, the clothes, the langauge, the weapons etc etc of the kurzicks. These are way better than anything a stupid luxon ever came up with.
Face it, it's kurzick time!
Face it, it's kurzick time!
Issac
We just let you guys win...constantly haha.
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Went to Jade Quarry today to see how dominant the Kurzicks really are there. I went 15-1 on Kurzick side, the only loss ended at 9-10.
It's weird that one faction is so dominant on this map - it's fairly balanced and you'd see each team running very similar builds (i.e. dark aura suicide bombers, mo/p with speed boosts for the carriers, etc). As far as leechers, there were only 3 that I ever saw on kurzick side out of those 16 matches. Not sure about Luxon side - usually when there are leechers you see people complaining in all chat, but that didn't seem to be the case. I can't vouch for if they did have a lot or not though, just an assumption that they had around the same as us.
Still I'm not quite sure WHY the Kurzicks dominate so much. Saying it's player skill seems very unlikely - if it were the case then it'd equally reflect in other types of alliance battles. Bots, I'm not sure on. I'd like to think I'd notice the opposing team just running from target to target but who knows, maybe I was blinded by all that sexy faction I was gaining. :s
It's weird that one faction is so dominant on this map - it's fairly balanced and you'd see each team running very similar builds (i.e. dark aura suicide bombers, mo/p with speed boosts for the carriers, etc). As far as leechers, there were only 3 that I ever saw on kurzick side out of those 16 matches. Not sure about Luxon side - usually when there are leechers you see people complaining in all chat, but that didn't seem to be the case. I can't vouch for if they did have a lot or not though, just an assumption that they had around the same as us.
Still I'm not quite sure WHY the Kurzicks dominate so much. Saying it's player skill seems very unlikely - if it were the case then it'd equally reflect in other types of alliance battles. Bots, I'm not sure on. I'd like to think I'd notice the opposing team just running from target to target but who knows, maybe I was blinded by all that sexy faction I was gaining. :s
Div
I have about a 90% win ratio as a kurzick (with a very significant amount of games played since update). It's simple why kurzicks win. Because we give suxons a hard beating at night when we sync JQ, and greatly discourage all the semi-intelligent suxons from coming back again. What results is that only the stupid suxons or clueless ones keep coming back for more.
wilson
I've been playing a lot of JQ over the past week and I really can't say that Luxons lose more than Kurzicks. It feels pretty even tbh. Most games just tend to end in a complete disaster for either the Kurzicks or the Luxons. There is terribaeds everywhere.
This is during euro hours.
This is during euro hours.
Omg its Sasha
I would assume it has something to do with DIVINE AMBASSADOR. Although i do notice that i have around a 80-90% win ratio also(kurzick side), but that could be because i always sync with people who don't suck at this game.