Syncing in Snowball Arenas

It is tough enough to try to have fun in this mini game when you have to deal with 3 random strangers which most of the time have no clue what's going on, now you in add in the fact that you're going against teams that are synced and uses vent and etc.

How is this RANDOM? Why is this even tolerated? So I gotta deal with bad players and you don't? So you want me to sync too? Sorry but just because everyone's cheating doesn't mean I have to too, and I don't think it's working as intended.


/qq

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=14
Hence /meh.


(And posting pictures with names showing is a no-no.
You are allowed to post pictures that show the guild tag though.)

Nobody cares. Either don't play, synch yourself or deal with it.

exactly, i knew this from all along, a-net made this as intended. You need to cheat to even have fun on the only fun (relatively) event on the wintersday.

cheers.

Lol... i like how he blacked out half of it, but left their names in the picture. And y is it tolerated... because its difficult to fix. I know in RA i have been partied with a guildy through pure luck. Finally where does it say that syncing is cheating?

If it's hard to fix, like leechers or verbal abuse, then add an option in /report so people can report. Heck, even scamming became an option.

And you get into a party with guildy by chance, but this is clearly not a chance sync.

And syncing is cheating because it's not the merit of the game, you would've learn that in elementary school, and hopefully life (if you have one). If you want to play team arena, go play in tournament, they made one up for snowball for a reason.

I don't have any experience with programming games, but I'm guessing a simple if-statement should be able to take care of this.

If it goes against the original designers intention, which I'm pretty sure off, it can be considered a bug. Abusing a bug, also known as exploiting, is against the Rules of Conduct.

Edit: On that same note, it imbalances the game and spoils the fun for the other party. If you want to play with your mates, do some TA/AB/HA/GvG instead.

From wikipedia

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...urdock#Syncing

post a comment on the developer talk page please and thank you.

syncing is consider griefing, and there's a warning on Guild Wars official Wiki, here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Random_Arena

under Notes.

if i am not mistaken, this thread will be close soon, Yay thread not closed! at least stay open so Arena Net's representative can see that this problem is growing and that more and more players are getting annoyed/diadvantaged by inconsiderate players

hrmz, this is new, and yay if its true, someone says Ms Regina says that the problem is being looked into. on Ms Regina's talk page here

send Arena Net your screenshots too if and when you encounter a sync group, players has been saying its not easy to sync, where infact its very easy, near to 99% success sync rate if your the only 4 players on deserted servers.

here's arena net's support i've send them many

Generic {insert arena here} is srs bsns response.

leeloo moved guilds. cool.

Lets see off the top of my head, how hard would it be to make timer wait until the next round to reset if you cancel during the countdown.

Not cheating, hmm lets see. 2-4 people going to a Random arena to abuse a game mechanic so they are put together and therefore not a Random team. I you cannot grasp how that is cheating, please uninstall the internet immediately.

Finally to Mr. Patrick, with all due respect. The abuse of every aspect of PVP has been in full force for over a year now. from RA syncing, to Alliance ladder manipulation, to Champ point farming, to HA manipulation that would take to long to explain, and the list goes on. Your response shown in this thread shows the complete disconnect you and your team have had with your game for along time

Will you flame me if I get a team of experienced players randomly?

Teams are going to be of varying skill in any random setting. I have difficulty getting upset that teams with no physical advantage that happen to play better are being formed, sync or not.

I doubt this issue will be addressed any more than it is in RA - unless both get a change.

The counter works like a giant list, so if they all cancelled during one countdown, the next countdown they would all be right next to eachother on this 'list' and the sync teams would be even better. nice thought though.

Never thought of that jiggles, but it gave me a new thought off the top of my head.

"Shuffle" at the beginning of timer, or just not let you start the timer until next round.

I would report them and send a screenshot. If they're a guild why don't they go play in the organized one? Syncing is griefing and exploiting.

I also saw a bot in SA last night. It basically followed my movement around the map everywhere and used its skills. I think it was a bot because if it wasn't it was shadowing me pretty accurately for a human. I asked them to say something and they didn't. :/

It sucks that people cheat to get the gamer title, which they definitely do as I saw people with extremely high ranks the first time it was available within days. At least I get mine by actually playing and got the monument a long time ago.

If you don't like the area because people sync? Go play somewhere else? lol? lolgw?

I agree with this quote. Nobody cares, and enemies don't have any game play advantage over you, other than that they are with their friends. Stop complaining and get some actual skills, n00b
/beats the dead horse

I'm amazed we got ten days into the event before this complaint reared its ugly head again.

It's like RAs. People are going to sync, because the devs let them. There's absolutely nothing you can do about it except improve your skill level to the point that you can beat sync teams if you get a decent group.

Syncers can be beaten with better play. Just because they sync doesn't mean they're the best players in the arena.

Pretty sure being able to communicate with vent is a pretty big advantage...

Though, I suppose you could just give your random team your vent info and hope you actually have a team with vent + mic, and that they're actually willing to get on your vent server.

Though, I still think syncing is even less of an issue in snowball than it is even in RA.

I sync so?

My Brother sync too so?

he Synced with Leelo and he's in that guild so?

i'm too lazy to sync again so i play other games so? ^^

What kind of retarded reply is that? You're NOT SUPPOSE to sync. They should be the ones going somewhere else. And that somewhere else is TA.

Obviously there's not a single advantage a synced party gets, besides a balanced party with synchronized builds... Seriously dude...

But they do have a huge advantage over the other party.

Cheating = unfair advantage.
Syncing = unfair advantage.

Anyone not seeing this should be hit in the head with a shovel.

I've played with three randoms that communicated better via the minimap than our 8v8 organized team communicates with Vent. And our 8v8 wins ATs.

Statistically speaking, your proposition is usually correct. But it is not logically true. You have some control over whether or not it is true in each particular case. If you direct the randoms you get effectively and win a couple of matches, it is likely that they will start to learn and will play better. Many of them are hopeless cases, true. But you also put up with those hopeless cases while syncing until you finally land your team.

Your argument that people should go to TA doesn't hold water, because there is no TA for this arena. The 8v8 ATs are a different animal entirely. 8v8 is an AT; the 4v4 is the rough equivalent of a ladder farm. As with GvG, this leads to differences in proper play. Further, the 8v8s don't produce a lot of Gamer points, so hardcore title farmers are compelled to play the 4v4.

This could be fixed with organized 4v4 play, or through increasing the Gamer point rewards for the ATs to be more comparable with the rewards for the same time frame of 4v4 play.

The devs have made it clear that they do not agree. One man's injustice is another man's clever competitive advantage, and the devs define syncing to be in the latter category. The law is what the courts say it is; here the court is the developers at ANet.

nop... now its JQ and FA U syncro to get the big point...
well if U cant farme in pve U might do it in pvp.....

its simple why they cheat, honestly how far would they be if they didnt.
really there isn't much that can be done about it. I say do your best and let them live in their false sense of superiority. anyone who wants to flame me would be better off turning their mics up all the way to get feedback, the only person who wants to hear you is yourself.

I lol'd IRL, srsly guys.

If they're bad enough that they need to synch, then I'd welcome an easy victory. Bad players synching just makes a bad team.

A lot of players dont sync because they are bad. They just want to play with friends or guildies. It's called fun. f-u-n. It really helps for the title that they win every game. But if you can choose, playing with a random stranger who speaks french or a friend that speaks proper english? And you can choose atm, because the dev's let you. And all who complain now are probably all those bad players that make bad teams when they sync? am i rite? Otherwise you wouldn't complain about synced teams because you beat everything.

Oh btw +1 for the one that can read th1s.

Evidently they don't have sarcasm on your planet. The first comment is saying that having a team comprised of character classes you selected for the purpose of accomplishing the team objective is a significant advantage.

Of course, ANet could accomplish the same by banning all Rangers, Paragons, Dervishes, and Assassins from the 4v4 arenas. The other classes all have a skill that is at minimum situationally useful.

So good players syncing makes a good team, right?

People aren't complaining about terribad sync teams, they're complaining about good, coordinated sync teams.

to the people that think syncing is ok i say gtfo of gw, you obv can't play random arenas without cheating so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off.

sa is not fun regardless as too many ppl don't seem to be able to grasp the concept.

i for one will not play this bs. the only decent gamer points arena is the halloween one. the rest are bs.

syncers should all leave the game now and get a life.

and at the ppl that said go get some skills lmao, we allo have the same skills their as each other, are you just a complete moron? i guess so, kthxbye

Okay first off yes this is tolerated.

Second off why does it matter, this is not cheating you go to a non poplutated district such as Polish -Europe 1 and cout down from 3 and hit enter with either up to 1 or 3 other guildies or friends and you have a chance to be pair up it does not happen 100% of the time.

Also a side not for those who think that syncing is unfair tuff deal with it. They are not going to change the programming for two simple reasons.

Reason 1: If everything goes according to plan this may very well be the last or second to last Wintersday in GuildWars. All their staff but one is working on GuildWars 2 making the game the best that they can why would they go back and try to fix one little coding error that has been there for 3 years.

Reason 2: For those that are not aware Arena Net takes the holiday season off from working so you can complain all you want nobody is going to hear they are on vaction the entire event like every other Wintersday runs like Clock work all on an automated timer.

So, thats really it, Happy Holidays everyone

If you're losing to syncing;

1) Get some friends
2) Sync
3) ???
4) Profit!

lol fenix dear, you would do something that annoy you to someone else?

I find that there are 2 kinds of people; those that get into a bad team gets matched up versus a good synced team and get pwned so badly that they wish death upon all syncers. Then there are those that get into a bad team, get pwned badly and wish death to all n00bs so they start syncing to avoid having to end up playing with n00bs.

Maybe if they introduced TA in SA then people on both scales would be happy? On second thought... this is GW, so maybe not...

there are organised snowball fights, nix

Syncing is against the spirit of the random arenas - whether it is tolerated by anet or not (and I believe it is tolerated only because anet dont have an easy solution to counter it).

Now.. I was guilty of syncing during the costume brawl, but only by seeing guilds doing sync countdowns and then joining at the same time - I was the solo on the synced team :P - I suppose thats an abuse too... now I feel baed

Snowball I dont really like, so I havent been in the random games to see the problem - judging by the fact it took so long for this thread to appear though, Id think its not a big problem this year?

It doesn't annoy me in the least, because whenever I have an opportunity to, I sync with friends anyway. Hell, the only time I play RA is syncing, same as with Snowball Arena and such.

Ooookaay, here's my two cents.

First off, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I play in snowball arenas as a member of the NuDE guild you've seen syncing, and a friend of the original Leeloo that you all seem to hate. And yes, I sync with the rest of them.

First off, if ArenaNet really wanted to make a random arena random, it's about the simplest operation in the world. Really. I program, so I know. You get a list of all the players, you put them in random order, done. If you want some exact code for it, I'd be happy to provide it. It'd take me 5 minutes to write it. ArenaNet doesn't, though. They use a queue. Why? I don't know, but they do. First-in, First-out-into-a-battle queue. That's why syncing works - if you can get 4 people into the queue adjacent to each other, they all go on the same team. In addition, anyone can do it with 3 buddies whom they like to play with. It doesn't take any special skills, or anything - just a good method of coordinating entry.

Second, I don't play for the title. Not sure about the rest of them, but I do it just for the fun. I enjoy being competitive, and I also enjoy winning. So, when I go into the battles, play my hardest, and I get three people who just want to hit the other team with yellow snow all battle long, it gets frustrating. I'm clearly the only one making any effort to win. Nobody else is helping. Then they call me a noob for not killing people. On the other hand, I can sync with friends who will actually play towards the goal, win frequently, be supportive, etc. You tell me who you'd rather play with.

For those of you who claim we're bad players, think again. If good players win games, and the more good players you have, the better your chances of winning, what happens when you put 4 bad players on the same team? They lose. The reason we sync with each other is because we've recognized that we're all good players, and we want to play with each other because of it. Then, when we get 4 good players, we win.

Again - anyone can do this; we're not special in any way. If you think you're a good player, and you can find a bunch of good-player buddies to sync with, go for it! We don't mind losing to a genuinely good team. We welcome a good challenge. It makes us wake up, gets the adrenaline going, etc. Losing to a good team while on another good team is a million times better than losing to anyone just because your team didn't even try.

By the way, a lot of the people you've seen syncing in NuDE have been syncing for a long time, and not always in the NuDE guild. Most of us have been syncing since the first couple holiday events, and you probably didn't even know it. We were a coalition of friends who got together from all over, and tried to get into games together, because we knew each other, and knew that every one of us was a good player. A lot of us have collected into the same guild now. We still have a bunch of friends who like their old guilds better than ours, and we go with them too. We're not exclusive or anything. I met the original Leeloo sometime Fall 2005, and she introduced me to her merry band of syncers Summer 2006. We're still here - now we're just recognizeable.

We're also not the only guild doing this - I've seen several others.

Anyone here heard of Zealots of the Shiverpeaks [ZoS]? It's the ArenaNet guild, for the devs (and their families, I think). They are one of the guilds that sync during holidays. Why? Who knows, probably because they like playing with each other, or because they're all friends and family in real life. The point is, ArenaNet's devs do it - why can't we?

As a last point - if any of you reading this and complaining is one of the idiots that don't grab presents even if they drop smack between your legs, or run around only throwing snowballs, at random people: I don't want to hear it from you. You are the reason we sync, and you are also the reason we beat you. You suck. Don't make me count the number of you I get in one day's worth of random play. The number would make your head blow up.

Have a happy Wintersday, GL in the arenas.
~Xaniera, AKA Leeloo Glass
Friend of the indomitable Leeloo Gloss
Member of NuDE

P.S. It seems that there is another guild with a NuDE tag in the snow arenas too. No idea if they're any good or if they're syncing. It just came across the guild chat channel as of this posting.

P.P.S. Okay, maybe that was more than just two cents...