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Originally Posted by Abedeus
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Prediction: When will Anet release GW2 information?
Fril Estelin
Aera Lure
Anet has developers employed still, so they are working on something. Might as well call it GW2, so it at least exists as an internal project in whatever form they have brought it to this far.
Apollo Smile
The "Guild Wars 2 is vaporware" people are idiots, plain and simple.
Clarissa F
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Originally Posted by Clobimon
I'm in and have been in with the "after Aion's official release" crew for a few months. Aion is huge for NCSoft, as I'm sure they're expecting ANet's GW2 will be for them as well. Aion is expected to release in NA somewhere between March and May. We already know GW2 won't be until late in the year at earliest. Diluting Aion's buzz with GW2 doesn't seem like good practice when there will be plenty of time between releases. I personally think 2009 is going to be NCSoft's year, as they'll be part of the marketing of two highly anticipated games.
From reading forums and listening to players in games you start to understand how truly in need the genre is of something new that's really good, and run well. Aion and GW2 should really help that. |
The second reason has multiple parts: AoC, WAR, Tabula Rasa, Hellgate:London. All hyped huge, all pressured to release because of pressure from above, all sold huge the first month, then dropped after people saw they were betas released as finished games. Anet and NC Soft know that, as soon as they release one screenie, the hype machine begins. Blizzard has WoW. They can afford to release stuff from a game that won't come out for years. Especially after the death of first AA, then TR, The one game they can point to as a success, especially in active community, is Guild Wars. Its successor is going to be handled with kid gloves. They won't be caving in, if they're smart, to a bunch of Polyannas yelling for "MOAR SKR33NZ NAO!1!!!1!" We'll probably see something in the fall, then get the beta the winter of 2008/2009.
As for the vaporware retards...yeah, they created NCWest and put Anet guys in power positions to create vaporware. Good call.
edit: meant 2009/2010. And Abedeus, since you troll every GW2 forum shouting VAPORWARE, you should know about trolling.
Abedeus
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Also, NCSoft has very successful CoX and Lineage games. GW is... medium success.
The only reason GW has an "active community" is lack of monthly payments.
We are not asking for more screens. We are asking for any signs of development or anything.
It's not like we got anything since GW2 was announced. You do realise that if A.Net don't release ANYTHING, people will just forget about GW? You might get some fanatic fans that will remember, but they probably have 4 accounts of GW1 with all chapters and upgrades.
Also, congratulate you two for successfully trolling by calling people idiots and retards.
faraaz
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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd
Never: Gw2 is vaporware.
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FoxBat
The DNF guys have bolsted their time wasting with numerous spin-off games, Prey, etc. What the heck else do you think Anet has on their plate? Who is going to pay their employees to sit around and do nothing? It may be several years in the pipeline, there may be some catastrophe and the thing is cancelled, but it's idiotic to claim that it doesn't exist.
Painbringer
They are making it better they have a lot of competition and if they release anything competitors will race to capitalize on it. So tight lipped is the approach taken. I agree a few screen shots, art concepts, mini movie, release dates, or basic game specs would be awesome. But I am afraid in the software business they have a lot of competitors that are eyeing them. To blast the gaming community off there feet with something new and astounding… tight lipped till it goes “gold” is how it needs to be.
Shadowmoon
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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile
The "Guild Wars 2 is vaporware" people are idiots, plain and simple.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism .... it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility."
Does no one remember Gaile's beta in 08 statement right after PCGamers announcement. Well it 09 and no screenshots or news or anything, this alone makes it vaporware because it failed to meet that benchmark. Hell even Izzy in his interview didn't mention gw2, just "future products". Remember vaporware does finally get produced, but it products that are over hyped and then fall silent when delays happen. Announcing a beta when the game probably had few to none code written for it was probably very overambitious.
Of course it was probably just to hype GW:EN indirectly because only way to transfer achievements to this developers pipe dream was to buy this rushed, copy pasted, short, generally lower quality product.
Apollo Smile
Using wikipedia as a source... Quit grasping at straws. When the info for Guild Wars 2 comes out, i'm sure all of you people will "forget" ever saying all this vaporware nonsense.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Me thinks someone need to look-up what vaporware means before calling people idiots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware <SNIP> Does no one remember Gaile's beta in 08 statement right after PCGamers announcement. Well it 09 and no screenshots or news or anything, this alone makes it vaporware because it failed to meet that benchmark. Hell even Izzy in his interview didn't mention gw2, just "future products". Remember vaporware does finally get produced, but it products that are over hyped and then fall silent when delays happen. Announcing a beta when the game probably had few to none code written for it was probably very overambitious. Of course it was probably just to hype GW:EN indirectly because only way to transfer achievements to this developers pipe dream was to buy this rushed, copy pasted, short, generally lower quality product. |
You're projecting your expectations on the situation, they need to do nothing, sales will speak for themselves. As said above, Anet and NCsoft are very wisely keeping the golden egg under fierce protection, on absolutely all aspects whatsoever. It's not over-hyped, it's under-hyped, they're letting people forget about it by not saying anything (may be to try to compensate for their mistake of talking about it too early and taking the risk of loosing people, those without the patience or too angry about this). I think it's legitimate to criticise Anet for its lack of work on GW1, although we have the product we bought, or that they released the PCGamer info too early (I'm in the middle of re-reading it atm), but it's non-sense to call it vaporware, whatever meaning you want to stick on the word.
This impatience is becoming crazier every month. People need to calm down and NOT analyse this at the light of Activision Blizzard's action. Anet fully well know they're fighting in a big arena dominated by the Mammoth, even if they're not really given their different game models/businesses. Take a break, or another one, forget about GW1 for a year, then come back. But stop seeing ghosts where there's only a shadow, or even devising some weird gamig philosophy on the difference between ghosts and shadows because of the DNF fiasco.
Sorry for the rant.
Professor K
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Me thinks someone need to look-up what vaporware means before calling people idiots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism .... it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility." Does no one remember Gaile's beta in 08 statement right after PCGamers announcement. Well it 09 and no screenshots or news or anything, this alone makes it vaporware because it failed to meet that benchmark. Hell even Izzy in his interview didn't mention gw2, just "future products". Remember vaporware does finally get produced, but it products that are over hyped and then fall silent when delays happen. Announcing a beta when the game probably had few to none code written for it was probably very overambitious. Of course it was probably just to hype GW:EN indirectly because only way to transfer achievements to this developers pipe dream was to buy this rushed, copy pasted, short, generally lower quality product. |
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Professor K
Guild Wars 2 IS coming out. ArenaNet is working on it as we speak. There is no "may" come out, it is coming. Only conspiracy theorists would say otherwise.
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Same thing can be told about DNF. Really. The only difference between those games is genre... Well, and DNF's age and how long they have been fooling people.
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Even Duke Nukem had screenshots...
pigdestroyer
Gwen has been for almost a year and a half... I think they are having design problems or maybe technical...
Age
I would say April or May of 2010 5 years after.What is this about GW3?
Shadowmoon
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Can you give us the exact reference of Gaile's words, possibly with link?
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10133090
Understand it is a source of a source, but i think we can trust Inde to quote it correctly. I could also quote Gailes infamous new yours resolution for 08. That also could be viewed to support the vaporware claim.
I've never said it was not going to come out, but it is a possibility with NCsoft bleeding from TR. Mainly I'm arguing that gw2 was over hyped vaporware used to sell more copies of GW:EN.
And Over-hyped is a 11 page spread on PCgamer of concept game. Include an ingame video of GW:EN that made sure to show off the HoM and mention how it will used for gw2. And now we have silence post GW:EN release.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Taking breaks from GW won't change the fact that there is no info about GW2. No. Info. You are the one seeing a game based on some "plot" info..
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own age myname
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Taking breaks from GW won't change the fact that there is no info about GW2. No. Info. You are the one seeing a game based on some "plot" info.
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I can wait for GW2 info personally. I want them to blow me away. I'm also not bored of GW1 yet, I wanna wear it out and make GW2 look like a godsend.
MStarfire
I'm pretty sure Anet will release information on GW2 at the precise moment when it won't do them any good.
lord of all tyria
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Since when does Izzy, balancer on GW1, needs to mention GW2?
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StormDragonZ
Nothing much happens in June... I'll predict the 2nd week of June.
fenix
GW2 == Duke Nukem Forever.
Sirius-NZ
Except DNF has been in development for 10+ years.
A better analogy might be Half-Life 2, which was announced in 1999 (shortly after HL1 was released). As best as I can tell nobody saw anything of it until E3 2003, nearly four years later.
We still aren't up to that, though.
A better analogy might be Half-Life 2, which was announced in 1999 (shortly after HL1 was released). As best as I can tell nobody saw anything of it until E3 2003, nearly four years later.
We still aren't up to that, though.
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by own age myname
If you take a break, as in forgetting about Guild Wars for 1 year, you won't get Guild Wars 2 info anyway. Go out and do something instead of playing a game you've overplayed. No game lasts forever. I bet if you took a break from this moment, and not read anything about GW1 AND GW2 you'd come back to some information. But of course that is speculation.
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And if a (MM)ORPG lasts maaaaybe about 3 years, it's not really much. Diablo 2 is still playable, I still enjoy Neverwinter Nights...
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bryann380
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Zinger314
I'm convinced that NCSoft will go under in 2009, making the release of GW2 moot.
ZenRgy
GW2 was a rumour spread to market Eye of the North.
Winterclaw
Why is NCSoft going under and won't someone pick up some of their titles?
a-kyle
there not going under guild wars two is in the makes and they will release more information when they have it
kratimas
I think they will tell us something on the day they tell us something.
What did I win!
I hope a cookie or some pie
What did I win!
I hope a cookie or some pie
slowerpoke
for me, it wont exist until i see ingame footage 
when does aion come out?
maybe we'll hear something after that
when does aion come out?
maybe we'll hear something after that
Sparda
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Originally Posted by fenix
GW2 == Duke Nukem Forever.
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But for a serious reply i hope Anet trows us a bone.
But i think we get something when Anet feel that they are ready
In the end if we have no info then we don't know what to expect.
So we aren't dissepointed for what we get.
If they show use a motherload we expect that what we have seen and are dissepointed in the end for what we got.
hallomik
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Me thinks someone need to look-up what vaporware means before calling people idiots.
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product.
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Has GW2 “well exceeded” the development time either claimed or expected? If it hasn’t, it doesn’t meet the criteria to be called vaporware. Pure and simple.
Two years from now with no further progress, I’ll join the GW2-is-vaporware chorus.
Here is the evidence that GW2 is real.
- A team of former GW1 developers is known to be actively working on it. This is confirmed by reading various Anet employee webpages in the official gw wiki.
- GW2 is routinely referred to by ArenaNet, although often to say that they can’t officially reveal anything yet.
- A partnership was recently announced for a technology that will accelerate 3D drawing.
- GW1 is actively supported and we routinely hear about how GW2 developers are occasionally pulled from that project to help add a GW1 feature.
- The recent PAX video showing the Q&A with former GW1 developers included numerous references to GW2, although they were primarily to indicate that they were not yet allowed to discuss the new project.
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Further, we know that GW1 is one of the must successful computer game franchises in the history of the genre selling over 5.5 million copies – a greater number than all but an elite, tiny set of wildly successful computer franchises.
Here is the evidence that GW2 will become vaporware (I don’t say “is vaporware,” because by Wikipedia definition it is not):
- We are now several weeks past the point when the beta was originally projected.
- We do not have screenshots.
These are the facts. Draw your own conclusions.
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We don't have ANY hard proof that GW 2 exists.
GW2 was announced in March 2007. Almost 2 years ago minus two months. Usually, if you announce a game, you have some screenshots. Gameplay. Trailer. Anything...
You don't follow the biggest guys in the league, you lose. Sorry, but that's the harsh fact.
Apollo Smile
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Just because Old Testament exists, doesn't mean God is 100% real.
We don't have ANY hard proof that GW 2 exists. GW2 was announced in March 2007. Almost 2 years ago minus two months. Usually, if you announce a game, you have some screenshots. Gameplay. Trailer. Anything... You don't follow the biggest guys in the league, you lose. Sorry, but that's the harsh fact. |
Unless you find it in good taste to call an entire company of developers liars...
Darth Malak
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2009 & no beta, time for an update to that site, me thinks!
Apollo Smile
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Originally Posted by Darth Malak
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http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars2/gw2faq/
"When will there be a beta?
Although we publically alpha- and beta-tested the original Guild Wars while it was still in early development, with Guild Wars 2 we will commence beta testing closer to the game's release. With that in mind, we will not start beta testing in 2008 as we had originally planned. Guild Wars 2 is a very large and ambitious game, and Guild Wars players rightfully have very high expectations of its quality. We want players to be absolutely blown away by the game the first time they experience it."
Fril Estelin
Very funnily, I found Activision Blizzard's Starcraft II to be 4th in Wired 2008 Vaporware list:
http://www.wired.com/culture/culture...?currentPage=2
Ooops, looks like I've been carried away in the troll wagon...
http://www.wired.com/culture/culture...?currentPage=2
Ooops, looks like I've been carried away in the troll wagon...
SerenitySilverstar
You guys are also forgetting that Regina has said they're under a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
They'll announce something when they're ready and it makes business sense. Not when the kids demand it of them.
They'll announce something when they're ready and it makes business sense. Not when the kids demand it of them.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar
You guys are also forgetting that Regina has said they're under a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
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