[Dev Update] - 15 January 2009
Skyy High
If they intended to give us a trading upgrade, they would have said we'd be getting a trading upgrade. They told us we're getting a storage upgrade, so that's what we're getting.
t00115577
Nobody cares about more storage, the only updates that can be announced that wont be flamed by the community are extra elite areas/content and an increase to the recharge of Palm Strike....
snaek
ppl keep seeming to stress that there will be tons more content being delivered on this supposedly "big" update than wut has been mentioned
(not gonna bother to quote everybody who has said so)
but then...it becomes a matter of delivery time, not development time
wut i mean, is that the live team can choose to focus on 2 or 3 things at a time, and release them within 2 months
or they can choose to focus on 4 or 5 things at a time, and release them in 4 months time
ur still puttin in the same amount of development time
ur jus choosing how and when to deliver that content
and while i can agree that longer deadlines can be less stressful and give more time for testing
we r still gettin roughly the same exact amount of updates
and so still i say...op is heavily misleading
(not gonna bother to quote everybody who has said so)
but then...it becomes a matter of delivery time, not development time
wut i mean, is that the live team can choose to focus on 2 or 3 things at a time, and release them within 2 months
or they can choose to focus on 4 or 5 things at a time, and release them in 4 months time
ur still puttin in the same amount of development time
ur jus choosing how and when to deliver that content
and while i can agree that longer deadlines can be less stressful and give more time for testing
we r still gettin roughly the same exact amount of updates
and so still i say...op is heavily misleading
Absinth187
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Originally Posted by Ctb
The bread-and-butter mechanic of RPGs is, was, and will continue to be the excitement of discovery.
Most people won't keep playing if there's nothing new to do, so they need to update things. I would suggest, however, they do something more significant than just storage if they're not doing an update until April. MOX and z-keys, while I personally didn't care about them, were a good move, but they're competing with LOTRO and WoW releasing expansions, EvE will be releasing a new content update, and all those games constantly add new areas, quests, events, NPCs, items, etc. |
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| Unless they intend to try and market Guild Wars 2 from a dead stop in a few years, they really need to keep this game up to date to retain players so they have a little bit of momentum going in. It won't matter how great a game it is, if they can't get enough people in the doors at the offset to help recoup losses incurred during development, it will fail. Ask Lord British and his experience with Tabula Rasa if you want to know how that goes. |
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| Which is why you'll never be a successful business owner. Customers are often stubborn, short-sighted, naive, and ignorant (the last part compounds multiple times when talking about video game nerds with an internet connection), but they're still the ones holding the money, so you still have to smile and oblige them to a reasonable extent. |
snaek
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| Which is why you'll never be a successful business owner. Customers are often stubborn, short-sighted, naive, and ignorant (the last part compounds multiple times when talking about video game nerds with an internet connection), but they're still the ones holding the money, so you still have to smile and oblige them to a reasonable extent. |
Shemsu Anpw
Good god. Free stuff on a game your not paying for.....
I am happy with what the update will have in it. I hope they have a place for picks on the inventory screen. Keys would be nice but there are too many key types I think for that to be easily updated. I hope there will also be some sort of a suprise or too. A single tab maybe on the inventory screen could hold all a particular characters books from the different areas. the "Heraldric Cube" storage that was popular in Diablo 2 would be interestign too. Even better like a quest that you use special materials to make would be fun. Have them custamized to each char, so people don't go around trying to sell them for sick amounts of money. I am interested to see how they implement the different storages. Either way, Thank you Anet.
I am happy with what the update will have in it. I hope they have a place for picks on the inventory screen. Keys would be nice but there are too many key types I think for that to be easily updated. I hope there will also be some sort of a suprise or too. A single tab maybe on the inventory screen could hold all a particular characters books from the different areas. the "Heraldric Cube" storage that was popular in Diablo 2 would be interestign too. Even better like a quest that you use special materials to make would be fun. Have them custamized to each char, so people don't go around trying to sell them for sick amounts of money. I am interested to see how they implement the different storages. Either way, Thank you Anet.
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by snaek
wut i mean, is that the live team can choose to focus on 2 or 3 things at a time, and release them within 2 months
or they can choose to focus on 4 or 5 things at a time, and release them in 4 months time ur still puttin in the same amount of development time ur jus choosing how and when to deliver that content and while i can agree that longer deadlines can be less stressful and give more time for testing we r still gettin roughly the same exact amount of updates and so still i say...op is heavily misleading |
In other words, Instead of being limited to 2-3 small/medium things in 2-3 months and only being able to finish 1/2 of a "big" thing, they can wholly finish a larger content update with a deadline that doesn't stress their work or nag at them from the time it's set.
While nobody is sure of what's going to happen, I think we've been both surprised and disappointed by recent content updates. We've had some months/weeks where we thought we were getting something huge and got crap, and other weeks/items where we got more than we bargained for, like the recent large skill update or the M.O.X. release that nobody figured would have a whole quest line and story attached to.
What to expect in my opinion: (1)Some crappy updates that take twice as long to be delivered, and (2)some fantastic updates that knock the wind out of us. Just like with any other set of updates, we'll evaluate each as it comes out.
I'd also like to add that more of the "surprise we did a great job" or "more than expected" updates have been in the last 6 months or so. This gives me reason to believe that the live team has streamlined their processes and figured out their limitations and abilities. If they're increasing the live team, these abilities can only increase. I mean, if we're at 2 people now, adding 2 people linearly doubles their capacity. While this is not strictly true, I think you know where I'm headed. If they add 2 people to work strictly on updates of the size and potency that we've seen recently, and 2 people to work on new content, there may be a lot on the horizon.
MStarfire
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooostorage
snaek
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Originally Posted by fengshuidove
However, what the post was about was the fact that by increasing the time they can focus on bigger things and still be on a timeline.
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but i dun see why they couldnt do that before...
before they jus said, "ahhh...that project will take 4 months, lets not even bother at all"
like ever since the release of eotn, they had a mindset that hom was fubar
and now, i mean they're basically saying:
"hey look! we've learned how to organize and manage our time better now!"
okie, heres a cookie anet
Ctb
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I think that without a smooth transition from Guild Wars straight to the sequel, they're going to have an uphill battle trying to make the sequel as successful as the original. I don't think they'll FAIL, but I think that unless they keep content fresh enough in Guild Wars to keep players interested - which they're not currently doing - they'll struggle to maintain interest in the sequel.
Surkon
You all know what might be a great upgrade if the weaponsmith in your guild hall could make weapons and the skill trainer had all skills and not just the persons Home Map that put him in there.
Just my 2 cents
Just my 2 cents
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Ctb
Those are strategy games, not RPGs. Whole other mechanic that lends itself to "never play the same game twice".
I don't think it will matter. MMOs aren't like other games. I can stop playing Bioshock and pick up Starcraft, then come back to Bioshock later, no problem. With MMOs, if I quit WoW or EvE or LOTRO for two or three months to play GW2, I fall two or three months behind everyone else on my server. In addition, most MMOs are, functionally, relatively the same thing, so there's little motivation to try something new. Guild Wars, for all the lovefesting that goes on here, only has one real hook: no monthly fee. For a lot of us, a $15 a month fee isn't really anything to be concerned about and not a big enough selling point on its own. I think that without a smooth transition from Guild Wars straight to the sequel, they're going to have an uphill battle trying to make the sequel as successful as the original. I don't think they'll FAIL, but I think that unless they keep content fresh enough in Guild Wars to keep players interested - which they're not currently doing - they'll struggle to maintain interest in the sequel. |
If you leave a game for an extended period it may be more perception that you fall behind. You may not have all the items others do, but you would still be able to reach the end game, granted later than others, but you would still complete the game.
I would not be surprised to see people who played GW originally and no longer play come back to check out GW2. In my opinion the majority of people still playing GW right now would most likelyl get GW2 when it comes out, regardless of any updates ANET makes to GW.
Fril Estelin
May be they're adding storage because we'll need more with the coming content updates?
I know, silly idea, but well...
I know, silly idea, but well...
IlikeGW
It would be nice to have the storage but there's the usual sort of irony of a sensible update coming years late. What am I going to do, reinstall just to look at a few new storage slots? How about some effing FORESIGHT for once, not hindsight additions. They should have done this at least at GW:EN's release, but they didn't because they don't give a crap.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
It would be nice to have the storage but there's the usual sort of irony of a sensible update coming years late. What am I going to do, reinstall just to look at a few new storage slots? How about some effing FORESIGHT for once, not hindsight additions. They should have done this at least at GW:EN's release, but they didn't because they don't give a crap.
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Star Gazer
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
May be they're adding storage because we'll need more with the coming content updates?
I know, silly idea, but well... |
YEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!
MOAR SUMMONING STONEZ PLX
because they make or break the game, amirite?
/sarcasm off.
snaek
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Originally Posted by star gazer
MOAR SUMMONING STONEZ PLX
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Friar Khan
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
The main task of the Live Team at this state of the game should IMHO be bringing new life to it, reviving what's dead and creating new playable and replayable content out of existing content, for both PvE and PvP.
But storage update was needed, was really needed for a very long time (forgetting about ancient times, GW:EN release got us nothing and thats when the major pain started again, and since then TONS more of new things were added) and it is a good choice for a first big 2009 update. That's because the future updates are likely to contain more and more new items we'd like to keep, first and most expected being 4th annual birthday minipets series. |
I'm glad for whatever storage update we get. Having my bags constantly so packed with stuff that's handy to have quick access to has a way of damping the fun out of the game for me.
BenjZee
Mini Dwayna, Togo and Mhenlo is all i want but i dont see that happening.
but anything new is nice
but anything new is nice
weretoad
god, reading all this crap just makes me want to farm like a mindless zombie and pretend not to try to want new content because i get bored of repeated farming very quickly, exhasting every area i try in a week and going through every build on wiki + my own in a matter of months. i think i might shoot my leg and then go join an HA guild that enjoys running, a minion factory/EoE bomb/death nova spike hybriad on 8 monks.
anyone wanna start that guild with me?
anyone wanna start that guild with me?
Takeko Nakano
If the features they've said they're working on are the headlines, the April update is going to be very boring.
Senatoru
REGINA :
In ianuary i expected to hear something like this from you :
'No more update from GW 1
In april screens,information,etc for GW 2
In september beta for GW 2.
I don`t need anymore storage , hom or other craps update . All i need it only some information [soon] about GW2.
To be realistics : already alot of ppl who leave the game. Maybe why?
In ianuary i expected to hear something like this from you :
'No more update from GW 1
In april screens,information,etc for GW 2
In september beta for GW 2.
I don`t need anymore storage , hom or other craps update . All i need it only some information [soon] about GW2.
To be realistics : already alot of ppl who leave the game. Maybe why?
Regina Buenaobra
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
Yet again though, we see that the information was "leaked" to certain individuals ahead of time - My request is treat your player base equally instead of this favouritism - at least theres no game advantage THIS time.
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Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
As far as I am aware (and I could be wrong), no information was leaked ahead of time. The only thing I did was to post on my wiki journal (the wiki is viewable to _everyone_) last week to let people know that news was coming soon (Linsey did this as well). The reason I did that was due to community feedback. People wanted to know that news was coming. If folks would rather not know that news is coming, I can stop posting those kinds of updates. But the majority of feedback I have received about letting people know to expect news was positive. The German forums, in particular seemed to appreciate it.
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If you told only few people on Some Site Somewhere that there will be a news, you are favoring those few Chosen Ones.
If people wanted to know the news, why didn't you post it here? Or on any of the big fansites?
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
If you told only few people on Some Site Somewhere that there will be a news, you are favoring those few Chosen Ones.
If people wanted to know the news, why didn't you post it here? Or on any of the big fansites? |
Takeko Nakano
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Originally Posted by Senatoru
I don`t need anymore storage , hom or other craps update . All i need it only some information [soon] about GW2.
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GW2 is what we need to hear about because it will keep people playing in hope of the future. After being teased about it back before GWEN was released we've had precious little - hardly a way to treat the community well.
gerlin
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
If you told only few people on Some Site Somewhere that there will be a news, you are favoring those few Chosen Ones.
If people wanted to know the news, why didn't you post it here? Or on any of the big fansites? |
Leonora Windleaf
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
If you told only few people on Some Site Somewhere that there will be a news, you are favoring those few Chosen Ones.
If people wanted to know the news, why didn't you post it here? Or on any of the big fansites? |
Nanood
I actually expected lots of praise for the coming updates but I see much complaining about implementation time.
I for one have no idea on how difficult it is to put these changes into place and since I have been wishing for more storage for years I am saying a big WOOHOO and thanks to the team for granting us these wishes and if I have to wait until April then so be it. Hugs and kisses for this the most special update for me and many others.
I for one have no idea on how difficult it is to put these changes into place and since I have been wishing for more storage for years I am saying a big WOOHOO and thanks to the team for granting us these wishes and if I have to wait until April then so be it. Hugs and kisses for this the most special update for me and many others.
Tom Swift
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If you told only few people on Some Site Somewhere that there will be a news, you are favoring those few Chosen Ones.
If people wanted to know the news, why didn't you post it here? Or on any of the big fansites? |
If you want to be one of the "chosen few" all you got to do is choose to go to the wiki and read their journals. It's not like you have to pay an entry fee.
Just go to wiki.guildwars.com choose "arenanet interaction" then "arenanet staff presence" (anyone with half a braid can figure out those steps) and read the entry from whatever staff person you want.
Or, gasp, type /wiki ingame and it will take you to the main page.
Good grief, to be any more inclusive and accessible they would have to come to your house and hand you the info in person.
By the way - I really like the proposed updates and see no reason to complain. Maybe I can start playing a couple of my characters that I'm currently using a mules.
Regina Buenaobra
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Originally Posted by Tom Swift
I'm sorry but, rofl.
If you want to be one of the "chosen few" all you got to do is choose to go to the wiki and read their journals. It's not like you have to pay an entry fee. Just go to wiki.guildwars.com choose "arenanet interaction" then "arenanet staff presence" (anyone with half a braid can figure out those steps) and read the entry from whatever staff person you want. Or, gasp, type /wiki ingame and it will take you to the main page. Good grief, to be any more inclusive and accessible they would have to come to your house and hand you the info in person. By the way - I really like the proposed updates and see no reason to complain. Maybe I can start playing a couple of my characters that I'm currently using a mules. |
I apologize for going too off-topic. :S
Age
I thought GW was going to be long neglected and forgotten which is good for those not moving on to GW2.Storage is always nice to have more of it.
fenix
Here's an idea for ANet staff, stop using a WIKIPEDIA PAGE for community relations. This is why the community are often mad, because you're using the COMPLETE wrong medium for communication. Either set up a section of the website for updates and discussion (like, I dunno, a real forum?), or post more regularly on fansites. Wikipedia pages are not meant for discussions, and is possibly the worst way to give the community information.
Stop taking the easy way out.
Stop taking the easy way out.
Apollo Smile
ITT, using a wiki is hard.
Age
I agree as wikis are just to find info on as they are can be edited by anyone which a forum can't.
Divinity Sword
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
A critique that I can understand is that my wiki journal is not visible enough, and it's a critique players have had of the Developer Updates, which is why I've recommended that Dev Updates be housed on the website. There is no way to RSS an individual wiki page. I agree that we may be making that information hard to get to because you can't get it in your feed reader. The only remedy I can see is to move my journal out of the wiki completely and have it in a format that people can subscribe to, like we're doing with the Dev Updates.
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Anyway, Anet can post wherever the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO they want rofl.
Some_guy
I am happily awaiting whatever will be included in this update in April, along with whatever skill balances come monthly until then.
To be quite honest, I need more storage.. I rarely sell any of the (good) mods I get when buying unids (I have an addiction to the wisdom title), as I use them whenever I get new weapons, for the most part. I do sell some, but.. more space would be greatly appreciated.
*Crosses fingers for armor storage*
To be quite honest, I need more storage.. I rarely sell any of the (good) mods I get when buying unids (I have an addiction to the wisdom title), as I use them whenever I get new weapons, for the most part. I do sell some, but.. more space would be greatly appreciated.
*Crosses fingers for armor storage*
Black Metal
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Originally Posted by fenix
Here's an idea for ANet staff, stop using a WIKIPEDIA PAGE for community relations. This is why the community are often mad, because you're using the COMPLETE wrong medium for communication. Either set up a section of the website for updates and discussion (like, I dunno, a real forum?), or post more regularly on fansites. Wikipedia pages are not meant for discussions, and is possibly the worst way to give the community information.
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Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by vandevere
Increases to storage... All for that. I know they probably won't be extravagant with it. But I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with...
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pumpkin pie
Yeah, one slot for each type of collectible drops and materials in the material storage tab would be very welcome. and everything that's been ask for in the giant storage thread over Sardilac. lol somehow when everything show 250 in that tab i'll feel content ROFL.