I'm just wondering, if GW2 turns out to be vaporware, which I don't think so, (but who am I anyway, I can be as wrong like anybody else). What are you going to do? Wait for Diablo3 or switch to another MMO or another game? Continue playing GW1? Blow up your computer sorta speak and focus more on studies or your career, other free time interests?
If it doesn't turn out to be vaporware, will we hear you apologise for your wrong judgment? (silly I know in an online environment, but it takes a man to admit you're wrong) Or will you just forget about it and buy the game anyway (if it turns out to be good) and act like nothing happened?
How many of you come up with the argument of vaporware, just to try get some screenshots and whatnot for personal satisfaction? Will you be satisfied if they come up with some art and some alpha screens (which will be ugly imo), maybe beta screens, but still have to wait for two years or more? WIll it restore your faith in Anet in the meantime?
What's your 'game' plan?
To the vaporware people...
Gun Pierson
Apollo Smile
I plan on doing exactly what I am now. Just play what is fun and enjoy my gaming experiences. There is no reason for me to "move" to another MMO as I play many different games as it is. Aion and Diablo 3 are right next to GW2 on my waiting list.
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I plan on doing exactly what I am now. Just play what is fun and enjoy my gaming experiences. There is no reason for me to "move" to another MMO as I play many different games as it is. Aion and Diablo 3 are right next to GW2 on my waiting list.
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Arkantos
At this point, I can't say I'll be surprised that it's not going to be released. I'll continue to play GW as long as my friends are playing, and when they stop, I'll move on with my life. Regardless of whether GW2 is released or not, I'm probably going to start playing WoW with friends soon, and I'm getting D3 for sure.
If ANet actually releases some sort of proof that it's in development, I'm not going to apologize for anything. Why should I? It was announced in mid 2007, we were supposed to have beta in 2008. It's now 2009 and there's not even concept art. People saying it is vaporware aren't wrong, because ANet has showed us nothing to prove us otherwise. If it's a good game and my friends get it, then I'll get it too.
I'll be pleased when they finally show us something about GW2. A screenshot will prove that they're actually working on it, but I doubt we'll get that anytime soon. Even if they show us concept art, it doesn't prove the games being developed. But some concept art is much better than nothing. At this point, my 'faith in ANet' isn't going to be restored unless they show us quite a bit.
If ANet actually releases some sort of proof that it's in development, I'm not going to apologize for anything. Why should I? It was announced in mid 2007, we were supposed to have beta in 2008. It's now 2009 and there's not even concept art. People saying it is vaporware aren't wrong, because ANet has showed us nothing to prove us otherwise. If it's a good game and my friends get it, then I'll get it too.
I'll be pleased when they finally show us something about GW2. A screenshot will prove that they're actually working on it, but I doubt we'll get that anytime soon. Even if they show us concept art, it doesn't prove the games being developed. But some concept art is much better than nothing. At this point, my 'faith in ANet' isn't going to be restored unless they show us quite a bit.
Gill Halendt
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If ANet actually releases some sort of proof that it's in development, I'm not going to apologize for anything. Why should I? It was announced in mid 2007, we were supposed to have beta in 2008. It's now 2009 and there's not even concept art. People saying it is vaporware aren't wrong, because ANet has showed us nothing to prove us otherwise. If it's a good game and my friends get it, then I'll get it too.
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Nothing to apologize for. GW2 is vaporware, by definition:
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As the team considered its situation – how to uncomplicate the current campaign model and add new, cool features without making the game any more Byzantine – what began as a brainstorm about Campaign 4 evolved into the blueprint for a completely new game. “We kept changing the scope of what we were doing, until it became Guild Wars 2,” Flannum says with a shrug and a smile. |
Please note that lots of software labeled as vaporware (like Half Life or Max Payne) ended up being released sooner or later, so claiming GW2 is vaporware doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. It's just coming up so slow and obscurely that people are loosing interest.
To me, that's hardly something to worry about. I'll be playing GW as long as I have fun with it, and then I'll move on. I'll be playing whatever will entertain me in the future, be it GW2 or D3 or even something completely different.
Being a GW1 player now doesn't make me a future GW2 player anyway, vaporware or not.
Highlander Of Alba
Well as far as myself is concerned
I have Aion on pre-order for a few months now
D3 is pipeline as played it since 09
But have to add this...
Lets look at development here 2 games they have at moment
Aion....plaync....posssible release...End of March
Blade and Soul...( Also known as Project M )..Plaync ...being developed as we speak and has video
released on its content.
So GW2...is back burner at moment till Aion is released
I have Aion on pre-order for a few months now
D3 is pipeline as played it since 09
But have to add this...
Lets look at development here 2 games they have at moment
Aion....plaync....posssible release...End of March
Blade and Soul...( Also known as Project M )..Plaync ...being developed as we speak and has video
released on its content.
So GW2...is back burner at moment till Aion is released
balamoor
I look at it like this......there is still scads to do in GW, and AN has pretty much told us major content patches coming our way this year. That will keep me busy until it gets sorted out. If You Read Jeff Grubbs Blog he often mentions working on the story aspects...so no not Vaporware.
In any event I am torn I want GW2...but I will also be hella sad if AN decides to shut down GW after it launches.
In any event I am torn I want GW2...but I will also be hella sad if AN decides to shut down GW after it launches.
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Ill tell you what, it proves a man with a blog can claim to be doing absolutley anything. Until we actually get some PROOF like a picture, or a video, or cencept art, or a beta date, or an anything its vaporware.
Damian979
Vaporware is a relative term and in respects to GW2, it is vaporware. Supposedly it has been in development since the decision to make Eye of the North. Meaning they have had the length of time it took the GW1 team to produce EoTN and the duration of time since then to work on it. In this time they have not produced anything beyond their intentions for the game.
Aion has been in development for going on 3 years now. When it was announced they were able to show trailers and give details about the game. Though it's release date has been pushed back over and over, there is still a website with frequently updated dev notes and screen shots. We have an understanding of how the game is progressing and what is going into it. We know that it is finishing up it's closed beta in Korea and they are prepping it for open beta soon. We have seen an actual game being developed.
Show me one screen shot, one trailer, one piece of concept art, hell even one dev update on the progress of GW2 and I will consider it more than vaporware. Until then it doesn't exist.
Aion has been in development for going on 3 years now. When it was announced they were able to show trailers and give details about the game. Though it's release date has been pushed back over and over, there is still a website with frequently updated dev notes and screen shots. We have an understanding of how the game is progressing and what is going into it. We know that it is finishing up it's closed beta in Korea and they are prepping it for open beta soon. We have seen an actual game being developed.
Show me one screen shot, one trailer, one piece of concept art, hell even one dev update on the progress of GW2 and I will consider it more than vaporware. Until then it doesn't exist.
Daesu
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As Arkantos said, GW2 was announced in 2007 and was planned to have a beta in late 2008. Didn't happen. And it was announced before its development even started:
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I am glad GW2 is coming out later as it gives me more time to farm up my titles since I hardly have the time to play all my 16 characters. I am also glad they are taking their time to fix the bugs so that we will have a higher quality beta, I dont want a beta that crashes every 5 minutes or so.
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For now I believe GW2 to be a myth. One only needs to do small bit of searching to see that parent developer ncsoft is teetering on implosion, from layoffs, 50% drop in profits, to reports of bad decisions made causing drama in the upper ranks. Most of those layoff's were in customer support (explains the lousy customer support for GW). Ncsoft appears to be putting everything on the back burner and all of its efforts into Aion.
News stories like this don't help me to believe GW2 will make it.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NCsof...es-93341.shtml
If Aion makes a large impact only then will I put any hopes into GW2.
For the time being though, I have been playing EVE Online, with sprinkles of GW in between. I have finished everything in GW except for a few grind titles that I work on while helping friends out. I will definitely check out Diablo 3 but even that seems to be getting shoved into 2010, so I dunno, I still have a bunch of games on the shelf I have accumulated over the last couple years that I was addicted to GW so maybe I'll dust those off and give them a go.
News stories like this don't help me to believe GW2 will make it.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NCsof...es-93341.shtml
If Aion makes a large impact only then will I put any hopes into GW2.
For the time being though, I have been playing EVE Online, with sprinkles of GW in between. I have finished everything in GW except for a few grind titles that I work on while helping friends out. I will definitely check out Diablo 3 but even that seems to be getting shoved into 2010, so I dunno, I still have a bunch of games on the shelf I have accumulated over the last couple years that I was addicted to GW so maybe I'll dust those off and give them a go.
Shadowmoon
Like mentioned before, people claiming it is vaporware is because of the action of Anet already, not if gw2 will or will not come out. Allot of products consider vaporware do come out. Hell alot of people claim gmail is vaporware because its a "beta", and not a release, yet millions of people use it:P.
People consider it vaporware because it was hyped before GW:EN to sell more copies because it was the only way to save achievements from gw1, and now post-GW:EN, there is no information at all. I claim that it was to create a demand for something that wouldn't normally be there, in this case, a transfer mechanism to game that didn't exist at the time and still shows no sign of existing.
People consider it vaporware because it was hyped before GW:EN to sell more copies because it was the only way to save achievements from gw1, and now post-GW:EN, there is no information at all. I claim that it was to create a demand for something that wouldn't normally be there, in this case, a transfer mechanism to game that didn't exist at the time and still shows no sign of existing.
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From that definition then GW2 is NOT a vaporware because they didnt announce that it would be released in late 2008, they only planned to have a beta in late 2008. Furthermore, late 2008 and current date is not considered well exceeded either.
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Anyway, it's their legitimate choice not to release any info now. What people would make of it it's a whole different story tough. I don't blame Anet for developing the game secretly, but I don't blame people who're getting skeptical about it either.
What I can say is that I would have enjoyed Utopia much more than this over-hyped and ultra-obscure thing that keeps on being postponed.
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People consider it vaporware because it was hyped before GW:EN to sell more copies because it was the only way to save achievements from gw1, and now post-GW:EN, there is no information at all.
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For what we know (nothing), development hasn't gone any further since the announcement in 2007. We didn't know anything way back then, we don't know anything now. New date for the beta is "probably in 2010", which is more than a year late than what was planned. GW2 was meant to be released sometimes in 2009 and now the beta has been postponed to "probably next year", so they ARE well exceeding the period of development.
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No information doesn't imply vaporware. You are trying to change the official definition of vaporware just to suit your argument. There is nothing in the definition of vaporware that even imply the release of information before the product ships.
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That's it.
Personally, I think asking for more infos is pointless. I never felt the need to know anything more about GW2. But since the term "vaporware" was used by me first in the other thread, I just wanted to point out why I did it.
GW2 is vaporware. Period. By definition.
That doesn't imply it's not undergoing development. At all.
Shadowmoon
The use of vaporware as an anticompetitive practices, which the same wiki article defines as:
The marketing angle to "releasing" vaporware can be two-fold. On one hand the intention is to create the demand for a feature or product which did not previously exist in the market.
And i claim that feature was the HoM, which there wouldn't have been a demand for if there was no gw2 hype prior to GWEN.
The marketing angle to "releasing" vaporware can be two-fold. On one hand the intention is to create the demand for a feature or product which did not previously exist in the market.
And i claim that feature was the HoM, which there wouldn't have been a demand for if there was no gw2 hype prior to GWEN.
Daesu
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I agree it doesn't have much information being released but that doesn't necessarily imply it must be vaporware.
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The marketing angle to "releasing" vaporware can be two-fold. On one hand the intention is to create the demand for a feature or product which did not previously exist in the market. And i claim that feature was the HoM, which there wouldn't have been a demand for if there was no gw2 hype prior to GWEN. |
Highlander Of Alba
Just have to add this as a quote from Damian 979
Aion has been in development for going on 3 years now. When it was announced they were able to show trailers and give details about the game. Though it's release date has been pushed back over and over, there is still a website with frequently updated dev notes and screen shots. We have an understanding of how the game is progressing and what is going into it. We know that it is finishing up it's closed beta in Korea and they are prepping it for open beta soon. We have seen an actual game being developed.
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Totaly incorrect as
Aion was released in November Live,,not Closed Beta and has won best game in Korea 2008
http://eu.aiononline.com/en/
Its heading for China as we speak then its coming to EU/NA after its live launch date there
Aion has been in development for going on 3 years now. When it was announced they were able to show trailers and give details about the game. Though it's release date has been pushed back over and over, there is still a website with frequently updated dev notes and screen shots. We have an understanding of how the game is progressing and what is going into it. We know that it is finishing up it's closed beta in Korea and they are prepping it for open beta soon. We have seen an actual game being developed.
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Totaly incorrect as
Aion was released in November Live,,not Closed Beta and has won best game in Korea 2008
http://eu.aiononline.com/en/
Its heading for China as we speak then its coming to EU/NA after its live launch date there
Abedeus
If GW2 comes out, nobody will give a crap.
RTS players will have Starcraft 2, Demigod and Dawn of War 2, Hack and Slash players will have Diablo 3, MMO players will have... Star Wars MMO, Aion, Blade and Soul.
A.Net made few mistakes.
1. Telling players (anyone playing 3+ years will remember this) that there will be new add-on or chapter every 6 months.
2. Announcing GW2 without anything.
3. 2-year old silence, no screenshots or what-so-ever.
Hell, even that new Star Wars MMO that is coming out had a trailer when they announced it. Diablo 3 had a gameplay video, concept arts, in-game screenshots, fansite materials, wallpapers, a lot about the lore and more.
RTS players will have Starcraft 2, Demigod and Dawn of War 2, Hack and Slash players will have Diablo 3, MMO players will have... Star Wars MMO, Aion, Blade and Soul.
A.Net made few mistakes.
1. Telling players (anyone playing 3+ years will remember this) that there will be new add-on or chapter every 6 months.
2. Announcing GW2 without anything.
3. 2-year old silence, no screenshots or what-so-ever.
Hell, even that new Star Wars MMO that is coming out had a trailer when they announced it. Diablo 3 had a gameplay video, concept arts, in-game screenshots, fansite materials, wallpapers, a lot about the lore and more.
Gill Halendt
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Except that they DID announce their planned release date to be late 2009 or early 2010 which again defeats that argument.
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And yes, no information (expecially when no information means you have absolutely NOTHING, not even a logo, a basic artwork or the full title of the game) DOES imply vaporware, think of the examples mentioned before, such as Max Payne or Half Life, both labelled as vaporware because of the delays and lack of information during their development, until proven real on release. It just doesn't imply the development halted, but people are now reasonably getting skeptical about it.
Snow Bunny
The zealous fanaticism surrounding Anet's defense here amuses me. The fanboys are all coming out to defend it against accusations of vaporware.
If your parents told you "no more clothes" until 2008, and you waited, 2008 came, nothing, and they shut up about it and wouldn't say anything, you'd be a bit pissed.
GW2 is vaporware and Anet knows it. A company with ANY self-respect would never do this.
You release information to keep your target audience engaged. Either Anet's marketing is in the shitter, their game is non-existent, or both.
If your parents told you "no more clothes" until 2008, and you waited, 2008 came, nothing, and they shut up about it and wouldn't say anything, you'd be a bit pissed.
GW2 is vaporware and Anet knows it. A company with ANY self-respect would never do this.
You release information to keep your target audience engaged. Either Anet's marketing is in the shitter, their game is non-existent, or both.
Traveller
Maybe if enough people call GW2 vaporware, Anet might release something to prove it's not. It's worth a try.
Fates
Daesu, you're obviously a fairly smart person, why are you arguing semantics about whether or not it's vaporware? Your arguments are flawed, and you know that, but you try to cover it up with misdirection.
GW2 was announced, and we were told beta in 2008. That's it, nothing more.
Was it announced? Yes. Were we given some kind of date? Yes. Have we been given anything since? No. Did they make the date? No.
Vaporware.
GW2 was announced, and we were told beta in 2008. That's it, nothing more.
Was it announced? Yes. Were we given some kind of date? Yes. Have we been given anything since? No. Did they make the date? No.
Vaporware.
Lexar
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Besides, it seems in fact that Anet should apologise to the players instead. I want my beta in 2008! Not a game I know virtually nothing about, at some point in time in 2010.
Provided of course that Anet is in business by then, you never know.
It would be a shame if their great no subscription fee model turned out to be not quite as profitable as expected, and now with the economic recession, they have to lay off people, and never finishing GW2. You hear these kinds of stories all the time about games being left half finished or even 90% finished.
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A.Net made few mistakes. 1. Telling players (anyone playing 3+ years will remember this) that there will be new add-on or chapter every 6 months. 2. Announcing GW2 without anything. 3. 2-year old silence, no screenshots or what-so-ever. |
Even if I didn't agree with the term vaporware which is used too loosely (and it really doesn't apply here; I still have faith in the Anet team), I'd have to point out he is still making some very valid points sometimes.
I wonder if the "big silence" strategy will pay off or whether the "big splash' will turn out to be "meh, took you so long to come up with this?" type of welcome. (I can see that happening if gw2 turns out to be Wow-cloned)
Fates
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cosyfiep
since what we have been told about the 'changes' for gw2 (engine etc).....I never planned on buying it anyways. If it takes a few more years for its development that means a few more years they will keep the gw servers up and running so I can play.
Personally its being vaporware has allowed me to keep playing the ONLY game I play---then thats just fine by me.
The only problem is HOW many years will they keep it up if gw2 really never does come out?
Personally its being vaporware has allowed me to keep playing the ONLY game I play---then thats just fine by me.
The only problem is HOW many years will they keep it up if gw2 really never does come out?
Holly Herro
This, is my theory.
They've basically moved off a few of the GW2 development team to Aion, because it's basically the most eagerly awaited title.
They're basically going to bring out Aion first, then bring out GW2 6 months - a year later, incase Aion is a big flop, or everyone leaves after everything has been done by everyone, and they havn't made any kind of announcements for expansion packs/add ons or any kind of extra content.
But, IF Aion is a GOOD game, with LOTS of content, and LOTS of happy players, and LOTS of people continuosly(sp?[no spell check on Opera >_>]) I predict that GW2 will be a massive flop, as they havn't announced anything yet, and most of the GW2 producers will move over to Aion (why wouldn't why? Why try revive a dead game with hardly any publicity when you could focus on a great game, and make it into a fantastic game that is as good as Diablo 2, times 2.)
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If Aion is a flop, GW2 is there as back up, Aion turns into Korean PvP playground
If GW2 is a flop, most GW2 producers will move to Aion, GW2 will most likely become GW as it is now, but instead of taking 3 years, taking 6 months - 1 year.
Remember, this is my prediction, and I havn't been here for about 6 months, and I havn't researched anything.
They've basically moved off a few of the GW2 development team to Aion, because it's basically the most eagerly awaited title.
They're basically going to bring out Aion first, then bring out GW2 6 months - a year later, incase Aion is a big flop, or everyone leaves after everything has been done by everyone, and they havn't made any kind of announcements for expansion packs/add ons or any kind of extra content.
But, IF Aion is a GOOD game, with LOTS of content, and LOTS of happy players, and LOTS of people continuosly(sp?[no spell check on Opera >_>]) I predict that GW2 will be a massive flop, as they havn't announced anything yet, and most of the GW2 producers will move over to Aion (why wouldn't why? Why try revive a dead game with hardly any publicity when you could focus on a great game, and make it into a fantastic game that is as good as Diablo 2, times 2.)
TL;DR:
If Aion is a flop, GW2 is there as back up, Aion turns into Korean PvP playground
If GW2 is a flop, most GW2 producers will move to Aion, GW2 will most likely become GW as it is now, but instead of taking 3 years, taking 6 months - 1 year.
Remember, this is my prediction, and I havn't been here for about 6 months, and I havn't researched anything.
balamoor
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Here ya go: /tinfoilhat
Damian979
True, it has been a few months since I checked the status on Aion. Open beta ended the end of Nov. and closed began in China in Dec. Still only estimated dates for N.Amer. and Eur.
That being said, it still proves my point that NCSoft is capable of providing details of a game's progress with concrete evidence from day one. Even with the numerous set backs and delays that Aion has been faced with. Instead of the "whisper on the wind" approach they are taking with GW2.
Regardless of what it is, if you are going to hype something then you better be prepared to back it up. If you can't do that, then don't hype it. They chose to make the big build up and have yet to produce substantiated proof that they can follow through, or even so much as an explanation of why they haven't met what they said they were going to do.
Tullzinski
If GW2 is vaporware, I will have to end all no reason to live! 
j/k
Any other game without a monthly fee, I really do not believe in spending money every month for a game I already paid for just to continue to access it. I know it is the norm but IMO it is BS. Free w/micro transactions maybe, but would likely go back to non MMO type games. D3 if battle.net cleaned up all the freaking spam. Been a long time since I was there.
Any other game without a monthly fee, I really do not believe in spending money every month for a game I already paid for just to continue to access it. I know it is the norm but IMO it is BS. Free w/micro transactions maybe, but would likely go back to non MMO type games. D3 if battle.net cleaned up all the freaking spam. Been a long time since I was there.
Ctb
I don't plan my video gaming that far ahead. In fact, I don't plan it at all. If I'm bored, I play a game or read a book or watch a movie.
However, I've already stopped playing GW and switched back to LOTRO and WoW because there's nothing to do anymore but grind for rep and points. If Guild Wars 2 comes out (which I don't think it will, I think something will come out but it will be a new game and billed as a "spiritual successor" to Guild Wars) and it looks interesting, I'll play it.
No skin off my back either way, really.
I wish there were some way to count up how many epic failures occur on the internet everyday in irrelevant analogy form... what does being a best-selling author have to do with marketing a video game franchise in an increasingly crowded niche market?
However, I've already stopped playing GW and switched back to LOTRO and WoW because there's nothing to do anymore but grind for rep and points. If Guild Wars 2 comes out (which I don't think it will, I think something will come out but it will be a new game and billed as a "spiritual successor" to Guild Wars) and it looks interesting, I'll play it.
No skin off my back either way, really.
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Martin Firestorm
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Daesu
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GW2 is vaporware and Anet knows it. A company with ANY self-respect would never do this.
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Oh no, they are a terrible company the beta is 3 weeks late, this is unheard of!
Cry me a river...
Lycan Nibbler
When I have nearly finished reading the internet, I come and read these threads, It will come when it comes, if it doesnt so what /yawn @ wanting to label things.
Alleji
Starcraft 2.
I'll still be playing GW1 from time to time, probably. I mean, I stopped playing GW actively well over a year ago, but I log on almost every week to rank some corpses in ABs.
I'll still be playing GW1 from time to time, probably. I mean, I stopped playing GW actively well over a year ago, but I log on almost every week to rank some corpses in ABs.
Shadowmoon
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If Beta was suppose to be in late 2008 then technically ANet is only about 3 weeks late and all of you are shouting bloody mary!
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Ctb
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But, yea, when you take that tiny little slice of what's happening and blithely discard all that other "unimportant" information, you have a really good point.
By this stage of development most games have basic demo movies, screenshots, etc. So either they're keeping this stuff awfully secret (because of what marketing value is free hype, right?), or they don't have anything.
Occam's razor.
elpedro
Despite all the information, I cannot believe how pessimistic people are about the existance of GW2; almost to the extent they don't want it released to say 'Told you so'. As a fansite, I would have expected the members here to be supportive, and yes critical, but only towards things they have experienced first hand.
The facts are:
The people I have read, hopping onto this 'Vapourware' bandwagon either are sick of GW1 and want something new, don't like GW1, are impatient or all three. That's my opinion.
The facts are:
- Guild Wars 2 has been announced that it's in development and has a team working on it
- Guild Wars 2 is featured on the official Guild Wars website
- Eye of the North was released to bridge GW1 to GW2 via the Hall of Monuments and with its storyline (Great Destroyer, Sylvari, dragons)
- Just recently, an update has been announced that the Hall of Monuments will become account based - this is classed as progress toward GW2
- On the website, it is stated the GW2 Beta will be closer to the actual release
- "Guild Wars 2 is a very large and ambitious game, and Guild Wars players rightfully have very high expectations of its quality. We want players to be absolutely blown away by the game the first time they experience it." - This answers why there is no early development screenshots
- There is an official Guild Wars 2 wiki
- The storyline behind Guild Wars was openly announced
The people I have read, hopping onto this 'Vapourware' bandwagon either are sick of GW1 and want something new, don't like GW1, are impatient or all three. That's my opinion.
Shayne Hawke
If GW2 turns out to be vaporware, which I believe it is, then that's no problem to me. I'll probably have stopped playing GW in a few months, and then I'll just be waiting for a new game to take my fancy.
If it's not, then it's just going to be me saying, "What took you so long," and no guarantees that I'll play it. If it's such a late release, another game might have my attention by then. Of course, if they don't screw up transfer of names/rewards/guilds/etc. between the two, then I'll be more inclined to buy GW2 than another game, and with the way people have been feeling about it lately, I almost feel like I'd be part of a different community of players, instead of a large player base from GW.
For how long it's been since ANet announced GW2, they would need to show me in-game footage, or something very similar, in order for me to believe that it's not just a hoax, and that they've actually put decent time into it.
No matter what happens, if the servers don't shut down, I'll probably go back to GW for festival events and the like, because those to me are the most entertaining times I have on GW. Nothing else can catch my attention like they do, and considering how much effort ANet is channeling into GW now, I don't think anything else ever will.
If it's not, then it's just going to be me saying, "What took you so long," and no guarantees that I'll play it. If it's such a late release, another game might have my attention by then. Of course, if they don't screw up transfer of names/rewards/guilds/etc. between the two, then I'll be more inclined to buy GW2 than another game, and with the way people have been feeling about it lately, I almost feel like I'd be part of a different community of players, instead of a large player base from GW.
For how long it's been since ANet announced GW2, they would need to show me in-game footage, or something very similar, in order for me to believe that it's not just a hoax, and that they've actually put decent time into it.
No matter what happens, if the servers don't shut down, I'll probably go back to GW for festival events and the like, because those to me are the most entertaining times I have on GW. Nothing else can catch my attention like they do, and considering how much effort ANet is channeling into GW now, I don't think anything else ever will.