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Abedeus

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21 Jan 2009 at 18:24 - 121

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Originally Posted by shillo

Copy-pasted from the official spreadsheet. I'm sure NCSoft's manager who assembled it, as well as whoever presumably translated the whole thing from Korean, will appreciate your deep interest in fine details of semantics. Feel free to share your fine feedback with them.

Soooo they have been lying to us about the fact that not 5,5mlns of copies were sold (copies = all games, not just Prophecies or other chapter), but 5,5mlns of accounts were created?

That's kinda strange, as it would actually be worse, when you think about it. 5,5 mlns would include bots that activated accounts using the trial key.

shillo

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

21 Jan 2009 at 18:29 - 122

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Wait I thought Guild Wars was dead? OMG all these numbers must mean that dead people or bots are activating the accounts!!!

Well, in all fairness, there is no information on how many people leave the game, nor on how many connect to chat but don't actively play. Honestly, I do think that the total activity is going down, I just don't think that natural order of things is anything to fret about.

shillo

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Join Date: Sep 2006

21 Jan 2009 at 18:30 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Soooo they have been lying to us about the fact that not 5,5mlns of copies were sold (copies = all games, not just Prophecies or other chapter), but 5,5mlns of accounts were created?

That's kinda strange, as it would actually be worse, when you think about it. 5,5 mlns would include bots that activated accounts using the trial key.

No. Try reading my post again, this time with comprehension.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

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21 Jan 2009 at 18:38 - 124

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The facts are:

There's only one fact: not a single, verifiable piece of information has ever been released about this game. None.

Got a screenshot? Demo movie? An alpha build? ANYTHING? No?

Then all you have is a few people who have claimed that some other people are building a game.

Quote:

Like I said before, think about this rationally and logically

None of that is rational or logical. It's just a bunch of idle speculation.

If you want logic, do what I suggested: apply occam's razor. There are no screenshots, no expo presentations, nobody knows the dev team, no alpha builds, no dates, no verifiable anything. Which is more likely, that the game is being actively developed, but for reasons unknown the developers are employing a secrecy that - to the best of my knowledge anyway - has never been employed before for a game that has only a marginal following and would otherwise likely benefit from high-profile attention

- OR -

The game is not being actively developed

Quote:

This is planned to be a stable beta, very close to the release date, unlike GW1.

Fine.

Prove it.

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No. Try reading my post again, this time with comprehension.

Your number is units sold. I don't know if you think you're clever for finding it, but just about everyone on this board already knows it. Like most other MMO stats, it says **** all about how many accounts are registered, much less how many accounts are actively USED.

shillo

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

21 Jan 2009 at 18:43 - 125

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Your number is units sold. I don't know if you think you're clever for finding it, but just about everyone on this board already knows it. Like most other MMO stats, it says **** all about how many accounts are registered, much less how many accounts are actively USED.

Oh, I completely agree that it is. Problem is, Abedeus completely misunderstood my second reply.

Edit: While number of units sold was made very public early last year, when Anet hit 5 million, I'm not aware of any place other than NCSoft's reports where the numbers are made available on a regular basis. So no, I don't believe that precise and recent numbers are all that common knowledge.

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

21 Jan 2009 at 19:28 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by shillo

Anet sales, 2008: Q1 3,312 M$, Q2 1.081 M$, Q3 0.837 M$
Anet gain/loss, 2008: Q1 +0.826M$, Q2 -1.826 M$, Q3 -2.317 M$

So they lost over $2mil over sales of a bit under $1M, meaning they've spent about $3M in a quarter, or about $1M/month. Somehow I doubt they're growing daisies with that kind of cash.

Oh, and another fun tidbit from Key Metrics tab in the same spreadsheet (I'm sure you all didn't know that this is public):

Guild Wars, US/Europe, # of accounts activated:

Sep, 2006 +2,447,000
Dec, 2006 +3,122,000
Mar, 2007 +3,555,000
June, 2007 +3,917,000
Sep, 2007 +4,500,000
Dec, 2007 +4,878,000
Mar, 2008 +5,159,000
June, 2008 +5,377,000
Sep, 2008 +5,589,000

Interesting numbers, nice legwork Shillo...

But just to make sure people are interpreting them correctly. This is cumulative numbers, not quarterly sales. Also as posted already these are not accounts opened, but chapters sold.

This graph shows the actual declining numbers

Assume continued decline and Q408 maybe 200,000 copies... This quarter 180,000. So that would be 90,000 US and 90,000 EU per quarter... Or 30,000 per month per continent. Again, while some are new users, most are chapters added to existing accounts. Or Amazon $5 ZKey accounts.

Point is that the GW1 franchise is in serious decline and has been since the Q307 spike (assume that was EOTN).

Still would love to see New account activation vs accounts that have not been active in 60 days... I think players are leaving faster than joining, of course ghost town districts attest to that.

tmr819

Krytan Explorer

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W/Mo

21 Jan 2009 at 19:36 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

I'm convinced that most people posting in this thread don't really believe GW2 is a giant hoax and will never be released. What I think they are hoping is that this tactic will force Anet to reveal details. "No one willl buy your game unless you give us details" they whine. It's possible Anet will cave and start to show their hand a bit. If they do, they will be duly punished.

I'm sort of past caring about GW2, one way or the other. I enjoyed GW1 greatly and pretty much milked that game dry of everything I wanted to do. Adjustments to the Hall of Monuments and (how exciting!) additional storage are not going to lure me back to GW1. I feel GW1 got put on a back burner prematurely by ANet, but oh well. The things they are now talking about adding to/revising GW1 just don't interest me much.

If GW2 ever appears on the scene, though, I'll probably give it a try. I certainly like the no-subscription model.

However, in the meantime, I am playing LotRO and having fun with that. Most of my GW guild seems to have left for other games, and that's sad but understandable.

GW2 is steadily meaning less and less to me over time. SWTOR seems, from what I have read of it, to have many of the features GW2 was allegedly supposed to have, so I'll probably end up switching from LotRO to SWTOR once it is released. SWTOR seems like more of a "sure thing" than GW2 at the moment.

snaek

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21 Jan 2009 at 19:48 - 128

i think the #s r the number of key's activated, whether on the same account or on a new account

as u can see in that huge spike in q3 2007...
thats when eotn was released
and we all kno u cant make a new account with eotn alone

if ppl did make new accounts, they prolly bought multiple chapters, multiple keys, registering multiple times on the chart

in 2008, we saw the release of platinum, and trilogy, and complete collections
multiple games under the release of a single key
from a marketing standpoint, these things should sell a decent amount of copies
however, no increase in #s on the charts...
most likely because instead of having multiple keys being purchased, multiple games r now only accounted for once under a single key

(of course this is all speculation)

as for gw2...
im pretty sure it was only announced to sell more copies of eotn (aka marketing)

ive been sayin it would come out in 2010 by the earliest ever since the release of eotn
(i predict q2 2010...tryin to aim for gw1's birthdate, however q3 seems more probable accounting for any likely setbacks)

its quite unrealistic to expect it in 09...
however, anet, it wouldnt hurt to see some concept art, screenshots, sumptin

Gigashadow

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:18 - 129

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Originally Posted by Ctb

If you want logic, do what I suggested: apply occam's razor. There are no screenshots, no expo presentations, nobody knows the dev team, no alpha builds, no dates, no verifiable anything. Which is more likely, that the game is being actively developed, but for reasons unknown the developers are employing a secrecy that - to the best of my knowledge anyway - has never been employed before for a game that has only a marginal following and would otherwise likely benefit from high-profile attention

- OR -

The game is not being actively developed

If you use Occam's razor, then the answer is #1; the game is under development and they don't want to release anything about it, as they said. Not #2, which is a conspiracy theory where they secretly aren't working on it even though they said they are, and that NCsoft has also been covering up for them and lying to its analysts about gw2 in its investor conference calls (where they stated that they are trying to aim for a holiday 2009 release).

Obrien Xp

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:25 - 130

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Originally Posted by balamoor

I look at it like this......there is still scads to do in GW, and AN has pretty much told us major content patches coming our way this year. That will keep me busy until it gets sorted out. If You Read Jeff Grubbs Blog he often mentions working on the story aspects...so no not Vaporware.

In any event I am torn I want GW2...but I will also be hella sad if AN decides to shut down GW after it launches.

If you look at the GW2 FAQ they state that GW WILL CONTINUE (this will provide those new to Tyria to get their HoM and see what happened 250years ealrier.

Anet carries with it's promisies.
Ubisoft on the other hand... is known for vaporware.
The definition of vaporware states "long past due date" a quarter in the vidgame industry isn't alot when it comes to development.

Shadowmoon

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:35 - 131

Or they simplify have run into some trouble that is delaying their intial plans, which i suppect is their game engine. Original gw2 was suppose to run on a modified gw1 engine, but they recently (this past fall) lincessed another game engine. Add to the fact that the beta was moved, and none of gaile greys resolutions came true for 08 leads me to beleive the game is delay because of techical problems. There probably isn't any screenshots to show that why they are not showing them, because they are probably scrapping their first attempt of the game.
BTW, why would anyone beleive a inventor conference calls after enron and the latest bank melt down, its clear that company try to make cushion them things to get more investors. Out of curiousity, i wonder how many times DNF was been mentioned my 3DRealms investors reports.

Rocky Raccoon

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:48 - 132

[quote=Ctb;4458737] Prove it [quote]

Likewise, disprove it.

Gigashadow

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:50 - 133

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Or they simplify have run into some trouble that is delaying their intial plans, which i suppect is their game engine. Original gw2 was suppose to run on a modified gw1 engine, but they recently (this past fall) lincessed another game engine.

I was curious about that when I saw the Umbra licensing deal, but Umbra is not actually an engine, it plugs into an engine and is used to reduce the amount of rendering needed by culling. Check out http://www.umbrasoftware.com/, there's a demo on there too to show what it does. If you look at their customer list you can see that it is used with various games that all have different engines, but isn't an engine itself.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:53 - 134

“Rather than spend resources developing a new occlusion system to meet the demands of our next game we decided to license technology from the experts. This allowed us to get up and running with sophisticated culling quickly.”
- Jim Scott, ArenaNet’s lead graphics programmer

EDIT: thanks for the link Gigashadow

Gigashadow

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21 Jan 2009 at 23:56 - 135

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Does anyone live near the office in Belleveu? I'm wondering if much activity is still going on there, or that just a dozen of people show up every morning to maintain the servers and the live team.

They are just down the road from my house, walking distance actually, but walking over there to check them out would just be creepy and stalkerish.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

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22 Jan 2009 at 00:11 - 136

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

They are just down the road from my house, walking distance actually, but walking over there to check them out would just be creepy and stalkerish.

Do you have binoculars?

I wasn't talking about stalking or any creepy stuff, just a quick look at the parking lot when you happen to pass by or something. You don't have to ninja the office.

But I understand ofcourse.

balamoor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

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22 Jan 2009 at 00:20 - 137

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

If you look at the GW2 FAQ they state that GW WILL CONTINUE (this will provide those new to Tyria to get their HoM and see what happened 250years ealrier.

Anet carries with it's promisies.
Ubisoft on the other hand... is known for vaporware.
The definition of vaporware states "long past due date" a quarter in the vidgame industry isn't alot when it comes to development.

You know that is awesome..I completely missed that, GW is one of my favorite games, I have so many awesome people there..it's good to know it will continue.

Shadowmoon

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22 Jan 2009 at 00:22 - 138

I stand corrected about the game engine issue, but still the silence mostly makes me think that something isn't working out. It to be honest I would like to be proved wrong, I want gw2 to be a good game, why else would i be trying to get all the HoM title statues. Just when it been this long with no information, especially in the context of Gailes Resolution, it hard for me to not think problems didn't happen.
BTW, most of the time in logic, the burden of proof is on the positive, so when you make the statement, its up to you to prove it, not up to them to disprove it.

balamoor

Ascalonian Squire

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22 Jan 2009 at 00:23 - 139

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Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

Huh? You mean more storage? Hardly major stuff.

Silly that is just the first content update they said updates throughout 2009...some people honestly get off on pessimisms and negativity, lighten up.

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jan 2009 at 01:02 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

They are just down the road from my house, walking distance actually, but walking over there to check them out would just be creepy and stalkerish.

You need to find out what bars they hang out in after work.

Maybe you can hang out and catch some rumors

balamoor

Ascalonian Squire

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The Company Of The Wolf

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22 Jan 2009 at 02:07 - 141

Am I wrong to find it beyond sad that folks would post Metric and graphs to show the decline of something that is meant as a fun past time? Whatever happened to gamers gaming?

In so many MMO's we now have this virtual self proclaimed board of directors that analyzes units sold per month..really” it's kinda strange.” And I’m choosing my words really carefully out of politieness.

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

22 Jan 2009 at 02:50 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by balamoor

Am I wrong to find it beyond sad that folks would post Metric and graphs to show the decline of something that is meant as a fun past time? Whatever happened to gamers gaming?

Yeah, god forbid we should have real numbers and facts.

balamoor

Ascalonian Squire

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The Company Of The Wolf

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22 Jan 2009 at 03:07 - 143

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

Yeah, god forbid we should have real numbers and facts.

Yes but to what end? It's like watching a bunch of little old ladies prognosticate about something that really has little to do with what Guild Wars is. Honestly is keeping a eye on the current share or whipping up a spread sheet metric enhancing your enjoyment of the game? Whatever blows your dress up…but as I said I find it more than a tad odd.

I have often thought of designing a RTS where you character is a budding designer and the object of the game is to secure funds from Venture Capitalist and convince shareholders not to axe your title. As many Micro Mangers that peruse MMO forums I bet there would be a real market for it.

Gigashadow

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22 Jan 2009 at 03:14 - 144

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Originally Posted by balamoor

I have often thought of designing a RTS where you character is a budding designer and the object of the game is to secure funds from Venture Capitalist and convince shareholders not to axe your title. As many Micro Mangers that peruse MMO forums I bet there would be a real market for it.

You should check this out, MMO Tycoon.

http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=1735.0

balamoor

Ascalonian Squire

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22 Jan 2009 at 03:36 - 145

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

You should check this out, MMO Tycoon.

http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=1735.0

OMG! That is excellent.

Shanaeri Rynale

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22 Jan 2009 at 07:05 - 146

I don't think that they have stopped work on GW2, but I do think the marketing and build up is wrong.

They are treating it more like new car devopment, than a computer game. The design and build cycle of a new model of car is in the region of 5 years, sometimes more. We, the public only get to see the car a few weeks or months(via spyshots) before it's released. It has spent many years existing only in models and wind tunnels without us getting a peek and yet very few people would call that new model of car as being imaginary.

Why? Mainly I think it's because that's the way the car industry does it and also because we trust the company to deliver what they say.

Now with games it's different. We are used to being let down, over hyper and also we tend to buy more games than cars. Also we are less fussed about the new Ford, than a new MMO so don't really care if we don't see the car until it's done

What Anets mistake I think is, is that they are treating GW2 like a new car when their Market is expecting A compter game. Anet are not big enough in the industry to be able to break the mold of expectations, as to break peoples expectations needs you to have a really huge and solid following in your market.

I would have thought the chances for extra money, by sellling exclusives to magazines for screenshots etc would be hard to turn down.

Anet are'nt making a car and the rules and expectations of that market are different.

Lord Sojar

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22 Jan 2009 at 08:40 - 147

Vaporware is an interesting term.

Personally, I think the game is in development. I think that the development is either extremely extremely slow, or that they have the worst marketing team on the planet. Though, it might be a combination of both.

Though, just for the sake of this thread, and the fact I love conspiracy theories, I am going to agree and call it Vaporware.

KartMan

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22 Jan 2009 at 09:01 - 148

will certainly play d3 (played a lot d1 and d2) but will probably also keep playing gw

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

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22 Jan 2009 at 19:58 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

I'm convinced that most people posting in this thread don't really believe GW2 is a giant hoax and will never be released. What I think they are hoping is that this tactic will force Anet to reveal details. "No one willl buy your game unless you give us details" they whine. It's possible Anet will cave and start to show their hand a bit. If they do, they will be duly punished.

Best thing said in this thread. ^^

As for me...I don't really care. If GW2 comes...fine. If not....fine, I'll move on to something else. If Diablo 3 comes out first, I'll buy and play that. If GW2 comes out afterwards and catches my attention, I'll buy and play that, too (no, I won't limit myself to one or another, like many people seem to do for some reason *shrug*). GW1 is becomming quite stale for me. Like others have said, there's nothing to do anymore besides grind. I find myself logging in then sittiing idle while I watch a movie. Very soon I will be moving on to a new game. However, I will not torture myself with boredom, playing a game I am tired of, in the hopes that its sequal will be released soon. I'll simply move on to whatever catches my attention.

I too find it odd how absolutely nothing has been said about GW2. A-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y nothing new. Lets see a screenshot...some more concept art of the sylvari...ANYTHING. And I guess I can understand the approach most of the people in this thread are taking..."show us proof or we say your game is a fake". But imo that's pointless. I don't think it's gonna make Anet talk.

As for the Vaporware argument, people don't seem to know how to apply the term, so I'mma just....not be drawn into that little "debate". ^^

Sir Skullcrasher

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22 Jan 2009 at 21:04 - 150

It's just a game, why should we be all worked up about it? Like previous post said, if the game comes out, i'll get it. If not, I'll be getting other games like Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Killzone 2, etc.

pigdestroyer

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22 Jan 2009 at 21:23 - 151

I dont know a single person excited about aion, expect it to bomb, just like conan did and warhammer is doing...

Abedeus

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22 Jan 2009 at 21:36 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

I dont know a single person excited about aion, expect it to bomb, just like conan did and warhammer is doing...

Maybe you just don't know people.

11k during first 2 minutes of Korean Open Beta, 40k in an hour.

By the end of Beta, it was already 170k people, breaking beta records.

I would join the Chinese Open Beta (got a Chinese client with English version patch), but I don't know if my account was created. Can't check until 26th.

But it already won Best Korean Game of 2008.

WAR didn't bomb yet. It's doing better than Conan.

Shadowmoon

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22 Jan 2009 at 22:15 - 153

Korean market it much different than western markets, so that does not mean the isn't going to bomb in the us/eu regions, we will have to wait til the beta to come over here b4 we have a verdict one way or another.

draxynnic

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23 Jan 2009 at 03:40 - 154

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Originally Posted by GhostKairi

Im not sad enough to go threw all 6 pages, but if you guys dont know, there is an Aussie game website with Guild Wars 2 being shipped in on 7Th september, 2009... If you did know this and think its bullshit, well good for you.

Never believe a date that doesn't come from the company. There's a story going around that back in 2004, an EB store tried to tell Gaile that Guild Wars would be released later in 2004, and refused to believe her when she tried to correct them

Abedeus

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23 Jan 2009 at 05:55 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Never believe a date that doesn't come from the company. There's a story going around that back in 2004, an EB store tried to tell Gaile that Guild Wars would be released later in 2004, and refused to believe her when she tried to correct them

Hey, I think I still have a magazine where you could preorder Duke Nukem Forever.

Seriously, in 2000 in summer I bought a cool magazine, where an online shop had the game. I loled pretty hard.

Unreal Havoc

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23 Jan 2009 at 12:33 - 156

I think you'll probably start hearing more stuff about GW2 when AION has been released. It makes sense to me, why hype up a free to play game before the release a pay to play game? NCSoft will have a big hand in the marketing and I'm going to stick my neck out and say AION probably has alot to do with this.

All in all, I don't really care too much, if it's released it's released, if it's not I'll play something else. No point in getting worked up over something that isn't in our hands yet. I'm sure you'll all manage without Guild Wars 2 in your lives, it's hardly that important now is it?

BJuno

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23 Jan 2009 at 12:44 - 157

I dont understand why ppl keep on complaining.... all topics about gw 2 should be closed and opened only when GW2 info come out. If they werent developing it they would say so.
I believe in the end ppl will realize how wrong they were. and most of them that said vaporware or is that a game? will be the 1st to post how great the game is.

Scary

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23 Jan 2009 at 13:25 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJuno

I dont understand why ppl keep on complaining.... all topics about gw 2 should be closed and opened only when GW2 info come out. If they werent developing it they would say so.
I believe in the end ppl will realize how wrong they were. and most of them that said vaporware or is that a game? will be the 1st to post how great the game is.

A forum is for open discussions and idea's....
If you dont want to see people to discus thing... dont visit a forum than

Winstar

Jungle Guide

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24 Jan 2009 at 01:21 - 159

There really isn't any good reason to think it isn't being produced. Silence gives rise to speculation and speculation suddenly becomes the truth.

The idea that GW2 was announced to prop up an old game is pretty flimsy. I have a hard time believing that the release of EOTN would have any less successful had it been released without mention of a coming GW2. The connection between GW1 and 2 is going to be slim - some small bonuses and memorabilia that get carried over through the HOM. Buying things from the online store now to enchance your GW1 experience will have little to do with GW2. So why would someone spend more money on GW1 because of GW2 when the spending will have little or nothing to do with GW2?

If Anet/ncsoft had no intention of creating GW2 and were not working on it and simply wanted to milk more money from GW1 they would have continued to release expansions for GW1 given that probably would make them more money than trying to entice new gamers with the old titles and old gamers with character slots. New expansions would also do the job of pushing sales of other things in the online store on top of a large boost in sales.

In the end, there is little word from ANet. There is also little reason to think GW2 is somehow not happening. But this silence is enough to breed speculation.

snaek

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24 Jan 2009 at 01:40 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by winstar

The connection between GW1 and 2 is going to be slim

many ppl would disagree and think it was huge (moreso during the release of eotn)
i've heard tons of ridiculous things, because ppl want to believe that its gonna be awesome
and mind u, these r the type of ppl that usually have money jus waitin to be thrown away
(rather than "informed" ppl who watch over their money more carefully)

Quote:

If Anet/ncsoft had no intention of creating GW2 and were not working on it and simply wanted to milk more money from GW1 they would have continued to release expansions for GW1 given that probably would make them more money than trying to entice new gamers with the old titles and old gamers with character slots. New expansions would also do the job of pushing sales of other things in the online store on top of a large boost in sales.

its not the matter of lying about gw2 and nevar intending to make it
its a matter of wanting to make it, but problems have arisen
problems that may either slow or cease production completely

seriously, do u think duke nukem forever was a hoax?
at certain points, i do believe they truly wanted to make it
but things dun always go as we want...now do they?

imo, anet is full of so many ideas...
but if only they could execute them well
i kept hearing "limitation of the gw1 engine" as an excuse of holding them back
can they bring bout all these awesome ideas into fruition in gw2?
or is the lack of any information another hint that anet is all idea and no execution?