To the vaporware people...

I'm somewhat confused. If Aion is being produced by NCsoft, why should that make a difference for Anet releasing GW2 information? NCsoft isn't Anet, as far as I remember. (Someone tell me if I'm wrong please, I never pay attention to this kind of things)

NCSoft is the publisher who financially backs A.net.

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Yes, I can see them sitting around on it. You would have to be absolutly mad to release a MMO or RPG around the same time as Diablo 3. You will not see a more hyped, highly anticipated game as Diablo 3 until they announce WoW part 2.

Competing with Diablo 3 would be stupid at best. Starcraft 2......well, I'm not holding out much hope that it will be released anytime soon.

You can have developers working on a game and still have the game fall into the ether. Duke Nukem Forever has been "in development" since the 90's. They still claim it will come out. It just happens to have gone 10 years past its original release date without making it to market.

I'm not saying GW2 is vaporware. I'm just saying I think Duke Nukem Forever will come out first.

If its not vaporware, then why is anet covering their asses just in case?

If GW2 was a sure thing, "if" would not be heard regarding GW2. This is perhaps a major development on gw2 news.

Yeah man, what do you want me to say man? I'm in fokking shock

Technically, she only said "if" regarding a Guild Wars 2 beta, not Guild Wars 2. Don't panic.

buy a giant size fan, one that creates thunder storms in movie, switch it on and blow away all the Vapor.

I'm not on the vapourware bandwagon, but on the original topic: SC2 and D3 are looking interesting, as is Majesty 2. Dawn of War 2 I'm... ambivalent about.

However, any and all other games I get I'd probably get regardless of whether and when GW2 comes out and whether or not I buy it anyway.

1 lead to the requirement of 2 and 3. Because they had to explain why they weren't continuing with the chapter model, they announced GW2 a lot earlier in the development cycle than games are typically announced.

If they hadn't had the chapter model in the first place, or if they'd managed to find some way to work on GW2 while continuing with the chapter releases, we probably wouldn't even know about GW2 at this stage. Diablo 3 had a lot on release, yes, but that was after a year or so of rumours that Blizzard was working on something else beside Starcraft 2, and Blizzard knows how much time before that when the rumours hadn't even come out yet.

None of this changes the fact that the vapourware label can in fact be applied - but as has been pointed out, vapourware DOESN'T mean it will never be released.

IMO, this is why NCSoft is in financial trouble in the first place. By flooding the market with pay-to-play niche MMOs, they'd essentially been competing against themselves... fiercely.

I'm waiting to see how the gameplay of GW2 works out before deciding whether to buy it, for similar reasons as expressed by Shadowmoon. I bought EOTN for more GW1 - any transfer that it may allow to GW2 is an added bonus that I may or may not care about.

I'm going to play Sims 3 when it comes out and wait for GW2 :3

While its true that not all games have betas, Anet going from "beta Q4 2008" to "not at all" doesn't bode well in any situation.

There could be a GW2 without a beta, as many games do not have open beta, but this entire 360 degree turn seems to be the beginning of things to come, and those things to come may be the lack of GW2 at all.

The huge turn in GW2 Beta kinda scared me too. I'm hoping for the best and that the whole undercover project works out fine. We don't want another case of Super Smash Bros Brawl where the game didn't really feel that new and the characters didn't have that shock factor due to the blog revealing updates in the game.

I'd be nice to get some info though.. just basic ideas and mechanics. Concept arts too, please?

I've played MANY MMOs over the years, and they frequently turn out to be personal fads. WoW clocked in the longest at 7 months, then Burning Crusade destroyed everything I worked for. Spore was fun, until the Space Stage. Ragnarok Online just got too grindy, as was LOTR Online, 9 Dragons, Tabula Rasa, Hellgate: London, Urban Rivals, Billy VS Snakeman... Sorry, getting slightly ridiculous. XD

Most recently, I've been playing Runes of Magic (Beta), and it's just the same tired old WoW-clone formula of pointless grinding, doubled because it brazenly boasts of it's Dual-Class system. There is no changing of your Secondary to any other that you want like Guild Wars, but you CAN flip your Primary and Secondary, so you have to slog through the levels TWICE, ideally through two different areas. Laughably, there is no over-arching plot, just individual petty concerns that feed into instances, so you can have the 'best gear' for doing it over again at the next Tier of levels. Wash, rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.

But I'll always come back to GW, because here, the grinding is TOLERABLE. I can actually SEE progress in my titles, and it's always as a result of something I want to do ANYWAY. I can choose to skip a title, if that's not what I want to do. And most amazingly, my personal game experience is NOT PENALIZED for that decision.

That concept of "let the player do what they best like to do, then reward them for doing it" is lost upon most MMOs. Instead, it's replaced by pointless grinding. The other closest you'll see of this ideal is Xbox Live Achievements, but the Achievements themselves don't give you any benefit to your gameplay because of it. The individual game unlocks whatever it is, or not. GW does. And I love it for that.

Above statement is pure speculation. It may be a logical speculation, but a speculation none the less. As far as you know, the beta might not come out until 2010. And as far as you know the game might not hit the shelves until the world ends in 2012. As i stated once before, ANet dangled the GW2 carrot in front of our noses back in 2007. And now in 2009, that carrot has all but completely rotted away. It seems that the majority of the public is merely asking for a fresh carrot.

As for myself, i have lost interest in the whole GW2 theory. Vaporware is a very accurate definition of the whole project simply because we have no new carrot to keep us enticed and it has been over 2 years since they teased us with the first carrot.
(sorry for all the carrot analogies)

On a side note, Has anybody had a chance to try out Fable II. Im looking for an excuse to dust off the 360 and i believe ANet will provide the motivation for me to do so. Is Fable II worth the money?

I think the point is, IF it does come out, will the GW community have already moved on to greener pastures? You may be willing to wait half a decade for a release or at least another teaser, but what about the rest of the public?

completely off-topic
but i heard fable2 was underwhelming
due to the fact that its incredibly easy
ppl criticize how gw pve can be easy even in hm
well...fable2 is like having a full 8man team of lvl20 ursans pre-nerf....against a pre-searing area of lvl 4 mobs

Ya, but you can be evil.

it's fun. not really challenging but there's a ton to do in the game and it's just fun to play and absolutely gorgeous. the male prostitutes following you around gets sort of weird, but hey you can kill anyone and do all kinds of crazy stuff.

You say I am pure speculating yet you claim the world will end in 2012 like it is a fact? Whether the beta would come out by 2010 is also a speculation in itself.

GW2 is not made ONLY for GW1 players. They are not that dumb.

And there is no such thing as moving to greener pastures because your GW1 accounts would remain active. You have already bought GW1 and it is not like you are paying them any subscription. Even many players who have left GW years ago came back after playing other games. There are only active and non-active GW players.

ANet would coax GW1 players to move to GW2 of course. But GW1 players dont have to buy GW2, if GW2 sucks. GW2 is its own game when it comes out and still has to compete with existing titles whichever way you look at it.

If you say, because you waited too long for GW2 beta, so you are going to play another game, it would sound like an empty threat because people are already doing that! GW1 is almost a 4 years old game and its content is getting stale, so expect that many people would seek out other games for entertainment and evaluate if they should buy GW2 when it comes out. Seriously, I have not heard anyone says he is deterred from buying/playing game X, even if it is the utmost BEST new game in the world, because he is still waiting for the GW2 beta.

Even if GW2 is released right this moment and it sucks, would you really buy GW2 right now? On the other hand, if GW2 is released as late as 2012 and it is better than all the existing titles then, people would still buy it.

Check out the two Web jobs here and the Artist - Digital Painter/Illustrator job - http://www.plaync.com/us/jobs/jobs_arenanet.php

Well at least we know there is a GW2 website coming, obviously doesn't mean there's going to be a game, they just like hiring professionals to create stuff for the fun of it.