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draxynnic

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24 Jan 2009 at 09:20 - 161

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Originally Posted by snaek

imo, anet is full of so many ideas...
but if only they could execute them well
i kept hearing "limitation of the gw1 engine" as an excuse of holding them back
can they bring bout all these awesome ideas into fruition in gw2?

That was pretty much the idea.

And as Winstar says, there are much better ways for ANet to keep making money out of GW1 than waving around a sequel they have no intent to finish.

GoodApollo1234

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24 Jan 2009 at 15:02 - 162

Anet is doing it for the lulz.

But seriously, even if GW2 is delayed past 2010 (keep in mind that no one of any credibility ever said it would hit the market before then) or until after that moronic lawsuit has blown over, they won't cease production on it completely. It'd be pretty stupid of NCSoft to put all of its chips into Aion, a game which, for all we know, could fail miserably. Anet has a track-record for making very good games (apparently #7 most played according to some post I read somewhere. Don't site this as fact until you've read it for yourself), and NCSoft isn't just gonna say "screw you guys, Aion's gonna be better." They're not quite THAT stupid. In my humble opinion, the idea of GW2 is just too promising for NCSoft to pass up.

As for Anet being just plain lazy, we've been there and done that. That was to be expected long before EoTN came out.

And also, keep in mind, Anet's pretty much starting from scratch on this one. As they said, it will be a completely new game. It's not like it's a direct sequel that they can pull out of their butts within a year or two. It'll take time, no matter what obstacles stand in their way, whether they be laziness, or stupid companies who claim that they invented online gaming.

Touching on another subject people have mentioned in other threads, I personally don't think competition will be THAT much of a problem. As Anet has said countless times, it has no intention of creating a WoW killer. They want to produce a game that's geared toward casual MMO players that also has the potential of delivering to the few hardcore gamers out there looking for something new and cheap. If anything, games like D3 and GW2 will compliment each other. From what it sounds (based on written information about GW2 only), they'll both be very good, albeit DIFFERENT games. I can pretty much guarantee that if they're released within a year or two of each other, people will be more than willing to play both (I will).

But for now, just enjoy GW1 and stop whining. If you don't like GW1 anymore, then GTFO. GW2 will get here when it gets here.

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24 Jan 2009 at 23:04 - 163

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

I plan on doing exactly what I am now. Just play what is fun and enjoy my gaming experiences. There is no reason for me to "move" to another MMO as I play many different games as it is. Aion and Diablo 3 are right next to GW2 on my waiting list.

^^ Exactly what I'm and I'll be doing!

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25 Jan 2009 at 17:08 - 164

Assuming that GW2 isn't vaporware, the fact that there is not even a screenshot or a piece of concept art suggests that the development is still in the very early stages. Considering that there are no further notable updates for GW1 planned, will anyone really care by the time GW2 does come out? You can't expect people to cling to GW1 forever. Letting people become disinterested with GW isn't a great way to hype your new game.

I'm thinking the game has been put on the back-burner pending the success of other projects. You can't suggest that a game has been in development for 2 years without producing anything tangible to show for it. Even if there were a single graphic artist working on it, he could throw together a piece of art and call it a concept.

Daesu

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25 Jan 2009 at 17:46 - 165

Here is my guess as to why it was delayed. When they started working on GW2 years ago, the economy was still fine. Nowadays with the massive layoffs, lagging sales, and difficulties in getting business loans/investments, NCSoft has tightened its belt. Not to mention the risk of the lawsuit.

Releasing the game around this time would have been very risky, even releasing it at the end of 2009 is a risk since the economy would probably be even worse by then.

If your budget is cut, and your hiring headcount slashed, with economic uncertainties in the near future, how do you think that would impact your brand new game that is still under development? One of the ways this can be dealt with is to cut features/content to lower the investment cost of creating the game but that is still going to be a tough decision.

GoodApollo1234

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25 Jan 2009 at 17:59 - 166

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Originally Posted by Lord Natural

Assuming that GW2 isn't vaporware, the fact that there is not even a screenshot or a piece of concept art suggests that the development is still in the very early stages. Considering that there are no further notable updates for GW1 planned, will anyone really care by the time GW2 does come out? You can't expect people to cling to GW1 forever. Letting people become disinterested with GW isn't a great way to hype your new game.

I'm thinking the game has been put on the back-burner pending the success of other projects. You can't suggest that a game has been in development for 2 years without producing anything tangible to show for it. Even if there were a single graphic artist working on it, he could throw together a piece of art and call it a concept.

1) There are fairly large updates yet to come for GW1:
http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/de...ttractions.php

2) Even if the current player base does drift away from GW1, I'd bet my bottom dollar that most of them would be more than willing to at least give GW2 a shot. After all, as someone said earlier on in this thread, Blizzard hasn't released a new Diablo title in nearly a decade, and many old school D2 fans are itching to play D3.
- As a side note, do you know how often they updated D2? Maybe, MAYBE once or twice a YEAR (correct me if I'm wrong), and it still managed to be a popular game well into the 2000's. If you ask me, we should be grateful for Anet's willingness to keep a watchful eye on GW1 whether they're working on a sequel or not.

By the way, when it comes to concept art, don't you think the pages upon pages of concept art for Utopia kiiiiiiinda sorta count a little bit? I mean, they canceled that campaign, took its skeletal remains, and gave us EoTN. If you think that a large portion of that unused art WON'T be going straight toward GW2, you are insane, Jack! =P

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Here is my guess as to why it was delayed. When they started working on GW2 years ago, the economy was still fine. Nowadays with the massive layoffs, lagging sales, and difficulties in getting business loans/invesetments, NCSoft has tightened its belt. Not to mention the risk of the lawsuit.

Releasing the game around this time would have been very risky, even releasing it at the end of 2009 is a risk since the economy would probably be even worse by then.

If your budget is cut, and your hiring headcount slashed, with economic uncertainties in the near future, how do you think that would impact your brand new game that is still under development? One of the ways this can be dealt with is to cut features/content to lower the investment cost of creating the game but that is still going to be a tough decision.

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25 Jan 2009 at 20:21 - 167

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Originally Posted by Lord Natural

Assuming that GW2 isn't vaporware, the fact that there is not even a screenshot or a piece of concept art suggests that the development is still in the very early stages. Considering that there are no further notable updates for GW1 planned, will anyone really care by the time GW2 does come out? You can't expect people to cling to GW1 forever. Letting people become disinterested with GW isn't a great way to hype your new game.

I'm thinking the game has been put on the back-burner pending the success of other projects. You can't suggest that a game has been in development for 2 years without producing anything tangible to show for it. Even if there were a single graphic artist working on it, he could throw together a piece of art and call it a concept.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that Anet doesn't want to release game info, because they don't want to (even if they have their reasons)? Conspiracy theorists ftw.

Here's a nifty detail that I don't know why no one else thinks about it:

A few months ago we were told that the reason the HoM changes weren't made at that time was because they were working side by side with the GW2 development team. They had to wait for the game to reach a certain stage in production so they could implement the changes on the GW2 side and then be able to change it in GW1 (feel free to find that annoucment I have no ideia where it is by now but it was something like that). If we're getting the HoM changes in April you'd think the game is developed enough for the team to be able to work on it, it not beeing a primary goal and having to create the actual game before started on something that small. Don't you think?

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25 Jan 2009 at 20:57 - 168

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Originally Posted by GoodApollo1234

2) Even if the current player base does drift away from GW1, I'd bet my bottom dollar that most of them would be more than willing to at least give GW2 a shot. After all, as someone said earlier on in this thread, Blizzard hasn't released a new Diablo title in nearly a decade, and many old school D2 fans are itching to play D3.

Diablo and Blizzard have a long standing history and reputation. You cant compare Diablo/Blizzard to GW/Anet. Diablo in its prime, and even decline was many times more popular and sucessful than GW at its height. Many people, like myself, will be buying DIII partly for nostalgia, and partly because the Diablo series has not disappointed in the past. While an argument can be made, in reality there are no true "oldschool gw/anet fans."

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Originally Posted by GoodApollo1234

By the way, when it comes to concept art, don't you think the pages upon pages of concept art for Utopia kiiiiiiinda sorta count a little bit? I mean, they canceled that campaign, took its skeletal remains, and gave us EoTN. If you think that a large portion of that unused art WON'T be going straight toward GW2, you are insane, Jack! =P

No, Utopia was created with an entirely different theme in mind. Judging from the original appearance of the Sylvari, they would have been dark forest ents, living in place like echovald.

It may be used for inspiration, but Utopia and everything that might have been, died with the Disaster of the North.

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26 Jan 2009 at 11:22 - 169

Regina has seen the game, Regina has played the game. GW2 exists. Production keeps on moving forward.

I believe her.

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26 Jan 2009 at 12:13 - 170

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Regina has seen the game, Regina has played the game. GW2 exists. Production keeps on moving forward.

I believe her.

Poor soul. You believe a Community Manager that posts in 2-3 threads every month and a half, leaving more questions than answers?

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26 Jan 2009 at 12:42 - 171

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

I don't think that they have stopped work on GW2, but I do think the marketing and build up is wrong.

Anet are'nt making a car and the rules and expectations of that market are different.

Ok, lets take a few real examples of late then. Tabula Rasa, AoC and Hellgate.

All 3 rushed to market, all three had initial good sales and then bombed to the extent that 2 out of 3 are totally dead and gone and the third is barely hanging on.

Forgive me but I'd rather see Arenanet take a more considered and intelligent approach and start the marketing and hype when they have a product deserving of it instead of another MMO failure.

Oh, and for all the QQ'ing about a GW2 beta, you all realize that GW2 would be a closed beta, right? So, it could actually be in beta already and none of you would know it and those that did know would be under an NDA not to talk about it. Just a thought.

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26 Jan 2009 at 13:04 - 172

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Poor soul. You believe a Community Manager that posts in 2-3 threads every month and a half, leaving more questions than answers?

It's a calculated risk based on a few observations:

Regina is a down to earth person. It's not her style to tell lies imo. She prefers to say nothing over pointless crap talk.

Secondly, the software purchase Anet made indicates they're on top of things. They save developping time by acquiring that one.

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26 Jan 2009 at 14:06 - 173

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Originally Posted by GoodApollo1234

But for now, just enjoy GW1 and stop whining. If you don't like GW1 anymore, then GTFO. GW2 will get here when it gets here.

Have to agree with that, and dont forget to leave me all your cool stuff on the way out the door.

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26 Jan 2009 at 14:23 - 174

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

It's a calculated risk based on a few observations:

Regina is a down to earth person. It's not her style to tell lies imo. She prefers to say nothing over pointless crap talk.

Secondly, the software purchase Anet made indicates they're on top of things. They save developping time by acquiring that one.

Agreed, Regina is an amazing Gal. I would see no reason for her to lie.
If im correct they purchased rights to use and modify the Unreal Engine?

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26 Jan 2009 at 14:32 - 175

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Originally Posted by GhostKairi

If im correct they purchased rights to use and modify the Unreal Engine?

Well I was talking about this one:
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/

It's not really an engine on itself.

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26 Jan 2009 at 14:35 - 176

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Well I was talking about this one:
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/

It's not really an engine on itself.

I hope they use Unreal Engne, its fking awsome!
I coulda sworn they bought it...Maybe it was another game like Aion or something, i dunno..

Dont really care as long as GW2 is good :P

Clarissa F

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26 Jan 2009 at 14:42 - 177

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Poor soul. You believe a Community Manager that posts in 2-3 threads every month and a half, leaving more questions than answers?

I'll believe her before I believe a serial troll.

The game is vaporware. It doesn't mean that it won't come out. It just means it hasn't released concrete footage, yet. Look at what they've done with NCSoft, creating a new division(NC West) and putting ANet execs in key positions. They have Aion coming out. I think they want to give that time to gain traction before they announce Guild Wars 2 beta. Guild Wars is too big for them to be promising a sequel and not deliver something good.

Besides, releasing stuff and rushing the game process to satisfy the fan retards did WONDERS for Hellgate, TR and AoC, didn't it? From concept to release, GW took 5 years. If they release this one in 2010, it will still be head of the curve.

Re: graphics engine: Aion is using the Crytek engine. Update your mainframe to play it.

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26 Jan 2009 at 15:40 - 178

People keep siting Hellgate, AoC, and TR as reason to avoid giving information, but they failed not because they were over hyped, its because they had failed launches and the games were riddled with bugs, incomplete content, and BAD design decisions. They all had good sells at first because of their marketing, but once people started playing, word of mouth and reviews sealed their fate.
The failure of these games had nothing to do with what information was given out when they were designing them, but because of the release then patch mentality the gaming market is currently having.
Btw, Regina is paid to give a positive spin on everything she says, she is a biased source of information.

Abedeus

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26 Jan 2009 at 16:10 - 179

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I'll believe her before I believe a serial troll.

The game is vaporware.

Wait, so you believe or not? I don't get it now.

Daesu

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26 Jan 2009 at 16:16 - 180

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

People keep siting Hellgate, AoC, and TR as reason to avoid giving information, but they failed not because they were over hyped, its because they had failed launches and the games were riddled with bugs, incomplete content, and BAD design decisions. They all had good sells at first because of their marketing, but once people started playing, word of mouth and reviews sealed their fate.

Such would be the result of rushing game development to satisfy the fan retards. If they do a rush job to get it out the door, it will have bugs, incomplete content, and BAD design decisions.

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The failure of these games had nothing to do with what information was given out when they were designing them, but because of the release then patch mentality the gaming market is currently having.

And that "release then patch" mentality would also be tied to rushing the game out the door before it is ready.

What he is trying to say is not to rush the game out before it is truly ready, otherwise it will have bugs, incomplete content, and bad design decisions and once people started playing the beta, word of mouth and reviews would seal their fate.

Winstar

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27 Jan 2009 at 05:23 - 181

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Originally Posted by snaek

its not the matter of lying about gw2 and nevar intending to make it
its a matter of wanting to make it, but problems have arisen
problems that may either slow or cease production completely

seriously, do u think duke nukem forever was a hoax?
at certain points, i do believe they truly wanted to make it
but things dun always go as we want...now do they?

imo, anet is full of so many ideas...
but if only they could execute them well
i kept hearing "limitation of the gw1 engine" as an excuse of holding them backcan they bring bout all these awesome ideas into fruition in gw2?
or is the lack of any information another hint that anet is all idea and no execution?

(1) I never said GW2 was a hoax and I don't believe DN2 was a hoax. I was _responding_ to people who think it is and I've heard this many times. Of course its not a hoax. Not sure how you read that into what I said.

(2) Problems have arisen? What problems? You don't know that problems have arisen. No body knows that there are any problems at all. Of course there are challenges in the process of designing an ambitious game that has to meet expectations- but where do you get this from?

(3) Your last paragraph is an example of the kind of wild speculation based on no information whatsoever.

The silence breeds rumors. The rumors become truth.

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27 Jan 2009 at 05:46 - 182

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Originally Posted by winstar

(1) I never said GW2 was a hoax and I don't believe DN2 was a hoax. I was _responding_ to people who think it is and I've heard this many times. Of course its not a hoax. Not sure how you read that into what I said.

- it was officially announced
- u stated a "what if" statement whether or not they intended to make gw2
- announcing a product u never intend to make = hoax

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(2) Problems have arisen? What problems? You don't know that problems have arisen. No body knows that there are any problems at all. Of course there are challenges in the process of designing an ambitious game that has to meet expectations- but where do you get this from?

im merely speculating
not creating rumours...making an educated guess with wut little information we have
and a lot of the information im pulling from is based on how they handled gw1

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(3) Your last paragraph is an example of the kind of wild speculation based on no information whatsoever.

actually anet said themselves about the limitations of the gw engine
and was stated as one of the reasons to stop making further campaigns

'lack of good execution on their ideas' is my observation from -past- anet incidents
while it still may be speculation...it is still based on interpreting previous information
analyzing the progress and evolution of gw1

Winstar

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27 Jan 2009 at 14:47 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

- it was officially announced
- u stated a "what if" statement whether or not they intended to make gw2
- announcing a product u never intend to make = hoax

im merely speculating
not creating rumours...making an educated guess with wut little information we have and a lot of the information im pulling from is based on how they handled gw1

actually anet said themselves about the limitations of the gw engine
and was stated as one of the reasons to stop making further campaigns

'lack of good execution on their ideas' is my observation from -past- anet incidents while it still may be speculation...it is still based on interpreting previous information analyzing the progress and evolution of gw1

Feel free to read my post next time. I never suggested GW2 was a hoax. I was pointing out that the suggestion that GW2 was a marketing ploy - a hoax - is misguided. There is a not so subtle difference between claiming that something is a hoax, and claiming that those who think it is a hoax are wrong.

You are basically speculating on no information yes, and you said not that "perhaps problems have arisen" or "maybe what is holding them is a major design roadblock" you said;

"its not the matter of lying about gw2 and nevar intending to make it its a matter of wanting to make it, but problems have arisen problems that may either slow or cease production completely"

Which is a much stronger statement . This sounds like your stating some facts about the process which in you don't have.

Finally, I was referring to your to your claim about Anet "being all ideas and no execution" regarding GW2, which is speculation. I know the limitations of the GW1 engine was one of the motivations for GW2.

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27 Jan 2009 at 14:58 - 184

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1) There are fairly large updates yet to come for GW1:

That page doesn't say anything about any large updates. And by large updates, I assume you mean several hours worth of new content, which would be a "small update" in most other MMOs. Storage isn't a "large update".

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Blizzard hasn't released a new Diablo title in nearly a decade, and many old school D2 fans are itching to play D3.

Diablo isn't an MMO. It's the action RPG that set the standard for an entire sub-genre, creating an enormous fan base that has had nothing to play since that comes anywhere close to replicating the original. Guild Wars is an MMO that was born with a limited feature set that hasn't expanded significantly in a saturated market that allows gamers to jump from game to game on a whim almost nonstop without ever running out of new things to play.

No comparison.

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By the way, when it comes to concept art, don't you think the pages upon pages of concept art for Utopia kiiiiiiinda sorta count a little bit? I mean, they canceled that campaign, took its skeletal remains, and gave us EoTN. If you think that a large portion of that unused art WON'T be going straight toward GW2, you are insane, Jack! =P

Baseless speculation.

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Why is it so hard for people to believe that Anet doesn't want to release game info, because they don't want to (even if they have their reasons)?

Because some of us don't want to believe that any gaming company could conceivably be that stupid? Because most people don't sit around arguing on a video game board about the existance of a game, they just take their money elsewhere and forget all about it if they never hear anything?

Do you people seriously think that most players who leave the game come here to argue with you? Most people just go play something else and when Guild Wars 2 comes out (if it comes out, and if it's even really a Guild Wars sequel) they'll be cold selling the game to them all over again.

Most people don't sit around wringing their hands about sequels and expansions. If they don't see it coming, they just take their money to someone else who has something they want to play.

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They had to wait for the game to reach a certain stage in production so they could implement the changes on the GW2 side

Prove it.

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Regina has seen the game, Regina has played the game. GW2 exists. Production keeps on moving forward.

Prove any of those statements.

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All 3 rushed to market, all three had initial good sales and then bombed to the extent that 2 out of 3 are totally dead and gone and the third is barely hanging on.

Which is all well and good, but those games were not heavily promoted until after demos, presentations, and screenshots were available. Forget hype, nobody's even seen a SCREENSHOT of the game yet.

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Oh, and for all the QQ'ing about a GW2 beta, you all realize that GW2 would be a closed beta, right? So, it could actually be in beta already and none of you would know it and those that did know would be under an NDA not to talk about it. Just a thought.

Prove it.

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It just means it hasn't released concrete footage

That's not what vaporware means.

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27 Jan 2009 at 15:32 - 185

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Prove any of those statements.

See Regina's Talk Page.

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The Community Team is just as impatient as you, even moreso since we have seen the game, but unfortunately, the Powers That Be have decided to keep everything hush-hush for now. --Regina Buenaobra Image:User Regina Buenaobra sig.png 02:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

(Emphasis added.) Statement proved: Regina has seen the game. Unless you want to contend that she is a liar, in which case I think the burden of proof shifts back to you.

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27 Jan 2009 at 16:45 - 186

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Most people don't sit around wringing their hands about sequels and expansions. If they don't see it coming, they just take their money to someone else who has something they want to play.

That's going to be a big problem for Anet.

Except, of course, that GW2 will be released:

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Originally Posted by Ctb

in a saturated market that allows gamers to jump from game to game on a whim almost nonstop without ever running out of new things to play.

Or in other words, it doesn't matter if there is extended hype for the game. If it's a good game, people will buy it.

I fail to see the problem.

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27 Jan 2009 at 16:53 - 187

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Prove it.

I can proove Regina said she has seen and has played the game, but I'm waiting for an answer from the crm if I can quote her as it was in a private form of communication.

If you need proof of the game itself, I'm afraid you'll have to wait like everyone else mate.

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27 Jan 2009 at 16:58 - 188

As I said. Do I believe GW2 is being worked on? yup totally. Will it come out, very probably.

What is wrong is that Anet do not have market clout to go against how every other good game I can remember has been marketed. There is a whole lot of difference between releasing a game early and showing a few peices of concept art or a screenshot.

It's really easy to release a few screenies and say 'At long last here are some GW2 Screenies. It will probably look a lot a different when it's done, but we could'nt wait to show you how far we've come and how far we still have to go. Don't worry we wont be pressed into releasing a half done game, but for now enjoy'

That's all it would take to end this speculation. There are no trade secrets at risk, and everyone knows that the games not done but at least it's it has something to look at.

Anet's marketing strategy is IMHO very high risk, and in my view unneccesarily so.

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27 Jan 2009 at 17:35 - 189

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See Regina's Talk Page .. Statement proved

That proves nothing to me. Your standard for proof may only aspire to the internet posts of a paid company spokesperson, but mine are a bit higher. If I were to use your standards of proof, I should be slavering over the imminent release of Duke Nukem: Forever as well (well, actually, DNF is on much better footing than the GW2 claims: it definitely exists, they're just never going to actually finish it).

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I fail to see the problem.

If it's a good game and they market it well, there won't be a problem. Tabula Rasa suggests that NCSoft can't rely on both those assumptions being true simultaneously, however.

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If you need proof of the game itself, I'm afraid you'll have to wait like everyone else mate.

Yea, that's the point. All we have as "evidence" is employees of ANET and NCSoft saying it exists. Which is fine early on, but two years into development you really ought to see something coming of all the work that's supposedly being done.

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Anet's marketing strategy is IMHO very high risk, and in my view unneccesarily so.

A distinct possibility, but I still think that there never will be a Guild Wars 2. I think Guild Wars barely worked out for them an the follow-up will be a whole new game that just acts a "spiritual predecessor" to Guild Wars, sort of how Hellgate: London was billed as a spiritual followup to Diablo.

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27 Jan 2009 at 18:00 - 190

A question for the group. Why do people keep throwing Tabula Rasa, Hellgate, and Aion into these discussions? These are all NC Soft games, with NC Soft marketing strategies.

This is Guild Wars and ArenaNet. There have already been several links in several threads to the article stating ArenaNet is in no way held to the same marketing strategies or timetables as NC Soft.

A-Net has GW, that's it! If they lose the interest of the fans of this game, they're done! They will not exist as a company anymore! Period.

Nereyda Shoaal

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Deldrimor Warcamp

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27 Jan 2009 at 18:04 - 191

I used to work for gaming industry and I can give you quite few titles which weren't "properly promoted" by the developers. By the end of the day they were massive hits. One of the recent ones - GTA IV

Besides why do you need screens from GW2? Do what with them?
It won't look like UT or NFS will it? Don't expect Saruman there either

Ctb

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27 Jan 2009 at 18:58 - 192

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One of the recent ones - GTA IV

What is it about the internet that makes people unable to make valid comparisons between like things?

Grand Theft Auto: A series that defined and popularized the 3rd person sandbox concept for millions. Predecessor to GTA IV sold over 20 million units alone.

Guild Wars: Standard feature-lean MMO trope that had as its most notable feature no monthly fee. Entire series sold about 5.5 million units.

Grand Theft Auto is practically a household name. It has sold over 70 million copies on multiple systems, received tons of free (bad) press for its controversial themes and entered the relatively forgiving over-the-shoulder 3D action genre as something of a revolutionary game. It has spawned imitators and parlayed one success after another into increasingly impressive sales numbers.

Guild Wars is the second most popular game in the narrow field of MMOs and brought only one relatively revolutionary feature to the genre (which hasn't caught on): no monthly fee. Unless you count the lack of a z-axis or any of the two or three dozen other basic MMO features it lacks. It has no imitators, failed to capture a significant market share away from it's chief competitor, and has yet to release a true sequel that would prove or disprove it's ability to turn one success into another.

Stop comparing unlike things.

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Besides why do you need screens from GW2? Do what with them?

Is this a joke?

Rocky Raccoon

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27 Jan 2009 at 19:33 - 193

Why do people who supposedly liked GW go out of their way to put down ANET and GW2?
Is it a reverse psychology attempt hoping that ANET will release something? Or is that they really hope the game doesn't exist. I think we all would like some information about how far along the game is, but some people have more patience than others. I guess my question to all the naysayers is where has all your negativity come from and why?

Ctb

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27 Jan 2009 at 19:40 - 194

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I guess my question to all the naysayers is where has all your negativity come from and why?

I'm not being negative, I'm observing the obvious: there's no proof this game exists as anything but words on thin air.

I don't give a crap if they release information about it or not. I got my money's worth out of Guild Wars, if they release a sequel or another game, and it looks like fun, I'll probably play that too. For the time being, however, there's no evidence they're doing any such thing.

Rocky Raccoon

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27 Jan 2009 at 19:46 - 195

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I'm not being negative, I'm observing the obvious: there's no proof this game exists as anything but words on thin air.

I don't give a crap if they release information about it or not. I got my money's worth out of Guild Wars, if they release a sequel or another game, and it looks like fun, I'll probably play that too. For the time being, however, there's no evidence they're doing any such thing.

Why do you need proof? If someone tells me that something exists and I have no reason to disbelieve them, then I believe the game exists. What ever happened to people having trust in what they are being told?

Fril Estelin

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27 Jan 2009 at 19:59 - 196

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there's no proof this game exists as anything but words on thin air.

I don't know in which (virtual) world you exist, but words are proofs in RL. I won't even start this discussion here and with you, but let's just say that you're actually not making any valid counter-argument, because what people say is not "the game exists, I've seen it" but rather "I believe the game exists because I've been convinced by what I've read".

You can distrusts all you want, because of "reasons" X, Y or Z, while it's as valid to trust for us. At one point we have to agree to disagree.

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I don't give a crap if they release information about it or not. I got my money's worth out of Guild Wars, if they release a sequel or another game, and it looks like fun, I'll probably play that too. For the time being, however, there's no evidence they're doing any such thing.

You should try to enlighten yourself one day and observe a trial court. Listen to scientists presenting "pieces of evidence" and then look at how it can be used pro or against arguments and theories, while both sides are "valid". Sorry for the clunky analogy, but it's the "truth", in the end we believe stuff we've been told (unless it's a complete and consistent theory, but even then you have to explain it in words, unless you're a computer)

The pieces of evidence are: Umbra being licensed, Regina and top NCsoft people have "seen" GW2, 100+ employees on the payroll;
Your theory is: this does not show that there's a GW2 being developed;
Ours is: this shows that there's a GW2 being developed.

Now choose your camp (yours is clear) and stop this silly argument. There's enough non-sense in this world to continue to fuel this thread. In a few months/years, we'll both come back here and we'll know. Until then, to each his own.

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Why do people who supposedly liked GW go out of their way to put down ANET and GW2?
Is it a reverse psychology attempt hoping that ANET will release something?

Yep some people work like that. Others are just angry about the fact that Anet didn't implement what they wanted GW1 to be, or they simply prefer another MMO and love to bash what they consider "fanboys". Some others are just here to create an argument, trolls.

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27 Jan 2009 at 20:05 - 197

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Why do you need proof? If someone tells me that something exists and I have no reason to disbelieve them, then I believe the game exists. What ever happened to people having trust in what they are being told?

And this is why 60% of Americans believe Noah's Art story literally, because they don't have critical thinking. We don't trust them because they are paid to paint a pretty picture. Look at games like Eve with the T3 situation. Or the multiple lies from Hellgate. Or look at this game with duping, does anyone honestly believe that the majority of it happened that weekend like Gaile Said, when there was stacks of armbraces trade happens months earlier.

Rocky Raccoon

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27 Jan 2009 at 20:13 - 198

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

And this is why 60% of Americans believe Noah's Art story literally, because they don't have critical thinking. We don't trust them because they are paid to paint a pretty picture. Look at games like Eve with the T3 situation. Or the multiple lies from Hellgate. Or look at this game with duping, does anyone honestly believe that the majority of it happened that weekend like Gaile Said, when there was stacks of armbraces trade happens months earlier.

So are you saying that ANET is paying people just to mislead us that they are working on a game that does not exist?

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27 Jan 2009 at 20:16 - 199

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

And this is why 60% of Americans believe Noah's Art story literally, because they don't have critical thinking. We don't trust them because they are paid to paint a pretty picture.

Aren't the also paid to make games? Like Guild Wars 2?

kupp

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27 Jan 2009 at 21:47 - 200

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Because some of us don't want to believe that any gaming company could conceivably be that stupid? Because most people don't sit around arguing on a video game board about the existance of a game, they just take their money elsewhere and forget all about it if they never hear anything?

Do you people seriously think that most players who leave the game come here to argue with you? Most people just go play something else and when Guild Wars 2 comes out (if it comes out, and if it's even really a Guild Wars sequel) they'll be cold selling the game to them all over again.

Most people don't sit around wringing their hands about sequels and expansions. If they don't see it coming, they just take their money to someone else who has something they want to play.

Stupid, but why? Because they don't want to overhype the only title Anet works on, so as to not see it crash like so many other examples that already been given on the countless threads about GW2? Because they don't want to set the standard by releasing information/screenshots/videos about GW2 in it's development stage where ideias and features get scraped, and later on not beeing able to meet those standards? If Anet released information about GW2 now they most likely would be shooting themselves in the foot. Now that's where a company is conceivably that stupid

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Prove it.

It was an annoucment made by Regina about 4-5 months ago, feel free to search it, I sure as hell ain't gonna do it for you. You can start here. Until you find it and read it with your own eyes, don't discredit what she said.