So ... why don't YOU /report?

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

So I am currently happily leeching Competitive Missions since I need the 10k Kurzick faction to advance some of my guys and well ... like I care giving an excuse.
Anyway, as I was happily standing at the respawn point looking all smashing as I noticed an interesting trend.
Nobody gives a shit.
People don't rage, people don't throw hissy fits and people do not report.
When I am playing, my fingers are glued to the /report command and I am VERY trigger happy. You leech - your ass gets reported.
Today - nothing. Maybe a person per game and that's it.


So ... why aren't YOU reporting the leeching bastards?

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Welcome back Upier and wait a sec... did you just inadvertently call yourself... never mind!

OT, cause I'm afraid it'll backfire on me.

Nanood

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

Well. First off. I hate you and your leeching bretheren.

But to answer your question. Yesterday I went on a reporting rampage of all the lame leechers in JQ. Got a bunch of Dishonorable and couldn't play for a while.

This was after asking team mates to also report.

One thing I noticed is that the Hex Discription for Dishonorable is INCORRECT. Nowhere in the discription does it say

"YOU HAVE BEEN GIVIN A TEMPORARY BAN BECAUSE YOUR LAME TEAM MATES COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO REPORT AS YOU DID. MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU DECIDE TO USE THIS BADLY IMPLEMENTED SYSTEM YOU WILL THINK TWICE BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS GOING TO SUFFER IS YOU."

Issac

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

Eh waste of time lol, but sometimes I get reported if I'm standing still for like 3 seconds.

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

I try to report on all Guild Wars Welfare (AKA Leechers) most of the time. But I enjoy playing and there are times I don't notice that there are leechers until its too late. Also the time it takes to report multiple people delays me from killing things (example FA when you have 5 leechers and only 3 playing)

Unlucky Slayer

Unlucky Slayer

RAGE INCARNATE

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sitting at The Guild Hall 2, being happy.

Nerd Clan [NK]

R/

Have to play first to make use of /report.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

One reason people don't report is because they don't know how. Even though it tells you at the beginning of every AB/etc match how to report, people don't read it. I say "plz report the leech in base" and get 1-2 people saying how?

Also, in AB format often times players will be miles away from base and not have the leecher in view....

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

because i'm not a self-important tattle tale who feels entitled to be randomly grouped only with players who play with enough effort/skill to satisfy my arbitrary requirements.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

Turns out there's leechers in Random Arenas too.

As to answer your question, I report every leecher I see, and if I get dishonourable I just go grab a snack or read the forums.

stanzhao

stanzhao

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

i dont /report because i am strong and brave, and can make up for the leechers on our team

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

I don't report because four times out of five, other people won't do it with me in enough numbers to not get penalized for it.

AsyaMordina

AsyaMordina

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Beguine Guild [BGN]

I used to report them until some of them started using Iliililli Illililil for names and there were more bot leachers than humans. Now I just AB with alliance.

DoA, Deep, Urgoz, FA, and now JQ - great parts of the game, now pretty much useless.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

I report every leech. It takes only a second to target and type /report and click the button.

Sadly it's a futile gesture.

The best I can do is complain to support and give them any information I can. Then they can give me the canned response they have been using for years about how they know the system is broken and to keep watching for game updates for any changes to the system.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
Nobody gives a shit.
That might answer yur question.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

not worth it, plus i rarely do anything with people i dont know so its a waste of time

Lexar

Lexar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Organised Spam

W/

Because I've had the dishonorable hex for reporting too much a few times, while the leechers keep leeching. So in the end I decided it's a system that hurts the real players more than the leechers.

Let's not kid ourselves, the only reason /report exists is so that they can say that they technically have a report system. Not to actually be functional, but simply to exist, that's the reaosn there is a /report. When they give a presentation about features they can add the -report leechers and bots to the list.
Just like the search option is a way for them to say they have technically adressed the lack of an auction house. Although at face value it's not a lie, anyone who plays can immediatly tell it's a shallow or even so disfunctional sollution that it has reverse effects.

I'm willing to bet that because /report is know to be a farce, more people dare to actually leech themselves, so the problem becomes worse.

Scarlett Romanov

Scarlett Romanov

Guest

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

I do report, but I do see that is rather pointless. Places like FA are constantly full of leeches that never get banned. (Add one to your friends list and watch how they're online every day.) Its been a problem since Factions was released. ArenaNet has made it very clear they don't care about the problem. They've continously told us they're aware of the problem but don't know what to do about it. This has been going on for years and it doesn't look like anything is ever going to get done about it. Players have simply stopped caring. Why bother when ArenaNet isn't going to do anything to these people?

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Getting dishonorable for reporting people pretty much ended my reporting, along with a lot of my FA/JQ play. Nobody else cares, so I just gave up.

One of these days there'll be a 0 on 0 match; I wonder who wins, the gatekeepers or the turtles?

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

If I /report, I lose my hourly ragequit.

Ragequitting once an hour when there is a leecher in the team does me more good than using /report. The leechers don't get banned, so there is no prospective long term gain for using /report.

Another approach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action

Basically, the argument boils down to: I can free ride and let everyone else use /report, and it makes no difference as to whether the leechers get banned or not. So everyone free rides, and the leechers don't get banned.

Either argument is sustainable.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
So I am currently happily leeching Competitive Missions since I need the 10k Kurzick faction to advance some of my guys and well ... like I care giving an excuse.
Anyway, as I was happily standing at the respawn point looking all smashing as I noticed an interesting trend.
Nobody gives a shit.
People don't rage, people don't throw hissy fits and people do not report.
When I am playing, my fingers are glued to the /report command and I am VERY trigger happy. You leech - your ass gets reported.
Today - nothing. Maybe a person per game and that's it.
Really? No one reporting? Awesome, I'm gonna do that.

Thanks for telling me, I love free stuff, and faction is no exception

WuTang[MAFB]

WuTang[MAFB]

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2009

Portland, OR

MAFB

A/E

i report leechers when i see them, even though its "futile" there is the off-chance that others will do the same and that person actually gets a ban.

Personally when doing JQ, i just do my own thing, and kick the shit out of the Suxons and get my 3-4k kurz. whether or not people are leeching doesnt effect me because with the build i use im just capping constantly anyways.

And im counting on the suxons to have more leachers than me, so in a way it works out to my favor

but yeah f*$k leachers!!!!

Monk of Myst

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2009

Knights of Mysterania

Mo/

What's the use? If I see one other person reporting, I report as well the moment I get a chance. However, there are times where you don't have that opportunity to. If you're fighting/healing, you're not going to report until you're dead.

I've found that it's almost worthless to try. I'm almost 90% sure that A-Net knows who the leechers are. I don't know about anyone else here but I've always noticed that many of the human leechers, not bots, are often from the same guild and often have the same profession, not going to mention any names. However, if I can notice something like that, I'm sure A-Net can see it too.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zelgadissan View Post
One of these days there'll be a 0 on 0 match; I wonder who wins, the gatekeepers or the turtles?
Gatekeepers. Turtles have to be told to move.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz View Post
because i'm not a self-important tattle tale who feels entitled to be randomly grouped only with players who play with enough effort/skill to satisfy my arbitrary requirements.
Is, "must not be afk and make some effort to contribute to the team, no matter how poorly" really that arbitrary a requirement? It's really rather objective.

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

because i happily don't give a shit.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Is, "must not be afk and make some effort to contribute to the team, no matter how poorly" really that arbitrary a requirement? It's really rather objective.
On that note, it's easy enough to write a macro that c-spaces and uses skills every now and then. You can leech less noticeably and still be contributing as much as the average PUG player.

Jensy

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

Mostly because I want to keep playing, and getting dishonorable on myself for reporting means I can't do that. So, nobody reports... people do still happily leech all day/everyday for stupid title that doesn't mean anything more than "Brotha too bad to get survivor, yet still wants GWAMM!".

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz View Post
because i'm not a self-important tattle tale who feels entitled to be randomly grouped only with players who play with enough effort/skill to satisfy my arbitrary requirements.
Quoted for emphasis.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
Really? No one reporting? Awesome, I'm gonna do that.

Thanks for telling me, I love free stuff, and faction is no exception
Glad to be of service, kind sir!

zling

zling

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

yeah, too many people, like plenty who posted here, just don't care so those people who do report from time to time(like me) just get dishonourable points because the shitters don't give a damn...

so why punish yourself by reporting?

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Is, "must not be afk and make some effort to contribute to the team, no matter how poorly" really that arbitrary a requirement? It's really rather objective.
at what quantity do you draw the line between playing to less than the best of your ability because JQ is not srs bsns and leeching? i find the objective means to do this very helpful because sometimes leechers can make it look like they're just playing poorly while still doing nothing for the team and while afk. for the record, in case you want to compare our methods, i draw the line at 7.

Nessar

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

I report when I'm not healing/killing/stalking someone. Otherwise if no one else is reporting, I'm not bothering. 1 or 2 leechers doesn't ruin a whole game for me.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

I just wish they would hire a temp to play the infested sections of the game. Record any bots and ban those accounts permanently. Then to mark each account with a warning should they leech. 3 warnings=temp ban. 2nd temp ban=permanent ban. Have those warnings have an expiration of a couple weeks and accidental leeching is not going to make a real player lose his account.

This would remove bots and leeches with an added bonus of maybe generating some extra revenue for the company as these people need to buy new accounts to keep getting their Xunlai keys every month at the same ratio.

Yes. I know. Pipe dream. I can dream can't I?

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

lol, u sit there leeching and report other leechers at the same time? sounds retarded. lmao, w/e floats ur boat. report people if i feel like it. competitive missions are a waste of time unless u plan on going for the records.

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

Because there was never such a big enough ass for me to even bother reporting.

Nerel

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
On that note, it's easy enough to write a macro that c-spaces and uses skills every now and then. You can leech less noticeably and still be contributing as much as the average PUG player.
One can only wish that more leeches did this, why report a leech in the hope that they will earn dishonorable and be forced from the arena/competetive mission for a few minutes when you can report a macro abuser for botting and have their account taken away by the big mean GMs at Arenanet. More lols in a permaban, so do it, for the lulz.

C-space your way to victory!

StormX

StormX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Mo

I always report the bastards even if it means I get dishonor points. It's a matter of principle. That said, sometimes if I ask people very nicely to report and no one does, I will go and stand with the leechers for a few minutes and see if anyone notices. They usually don't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
One can only wish that more leeches did this, why report a leech in the hope that they will earn dishonorable and be forced from the arena/competetive mission for a few minutes when you can report a macro abuser for botting and have their account taken away by the big mean GMs at Arenanet. More lols in a permaban, so do it, for the lulz.

C-space your way to victory!
No they don't. Ban the botters that is. The consistent presence of a certain Mes/Rt bot is testament to that.

They claim that they ban gold farming bots all the time but can't even be bothered to deal with a few well documented leech/botters. Why some bots are immune from the ban stick while others are not is beyond me. (lulz conspiracy theories)

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

Because Arena Net is not doing anything about synchers, leechers, and scammres, so why should we care? like i said, every one should start leeching on everyone else, turn the whole game into Leech, Sync and Scam wars :P see if I care, like i used to.

Theres a limit your players will tolerate. bye bye :P~ even your avid fans will leave if you don't do something about those irritating factors.

Yeap, yours not the only one that's beautiful and fun to play anymore, beside this other game has no scammer, no spammers no leechers and no synchers.

Arena Net should really be worry right about now. as someone who has blind faith in many things(games) has lost faith in a game they really love.

BTW its freeeeeee FREE! i don't even have to purchase the game

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
One can only wish that more leeches did this, why report a leech in the hope that they will earn dishonorable and be forced from the arena/competetive mission for a few minutes when you can report a macro abuser for botting and have their account taken away by the big mean GMs at Arenanet. More lols in a permaban, so do it, for the lulz.

C-space your way to victory!
Been doing this with my G15 for hundreds of hours. (Probably because it still results in better gameplay performance than quite a few people.) If it was ban-worthy, I think it would have happened already. Sorry to rain on your parade

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

I have tried to report devona for running off and alesia for just being stupid, but it wont let me (eg I play only with h/h or my hubby...and he doesnt leech).

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

High-end PvP is shunned by low-end PvE scrubs like me.