RANT-Disappointment with Arena Net Yet Again

An exclusive interview by Fumble, so sync away people! sync break the fun of the game and kill it eventually.

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So what I like to know is who says these words?

"We know that some people are frustrated to see teams go into arena in sync but it does not violate the rules of the game, we observe the situation, but we do not currently intend to do whatever either" (translated with google translation tools, might not be what it meant, but..)

Where are all the previous sync topic on the official wiki gone to? For the record, since we are on this topic and these recent interview gave a rather disappointed and disturbing insight into what Arena Net thought is important to the players or let me put it in a better way, what Arena Net thought is important to Arena Net, developing their e-sport and making sure the players have the false idea that they are part of something by introducing the XTH, which in fact they are not, they blindly follow and purchased lots of useless accounts.

BTW to Linsey: I am not the one who started the sync topic on all 3 users talk page. Those were already there when I posted the question on your talk page, and I could not let false information be on all these talk pages. for instant, on Gaile's talk page, some player had made a false topic that goes something like this: "official approval of sync.... blah blah" and it was there for nearly a year. if I hadn't posted so many repeated annoying post on the official wiki, would Arena Net had even taken the trouble to reply? and to let the whole situation gone back to the same situation as if nothing had happen before with this interview?

Clever thing to close the talk page and attack from other place, ey.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...te_after_april

/end thread

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lol at google translate: "And history to finish in style, these are the pictures of the two thieves:"

See, thats what I mean, they never have one single same answer, no matter who you ask.

and then they blame you for asking the wrong person. and if they say that sync is not against the rules why the hell does the official wiki says its griefing? then they will tell you official wiki isn't run by them but then why the hell did we recieve a confirmation email from ArenaNed/NCSoft when we sign up to the wiki?

Just because they're fixing it doesn't change anything they said, by the current rules of the game it isn't against the rules, there is nothing in the license agreement that says "NO SYNCHING", and there's no rules for Random Arenas or whatever besides what is in the License Agreement. They're trying to fix it because it takes away player fun, not because it's actually against the rules in any way.

"In the strict sense, the PvP is Player vs. Player and AI has no place."

so what is the point of this thread?

furthermore on syncing, who cares dead game is dead game?

report them for ladder manipulation!

...oh wait


lol syncing in ra.

I'm surprised you expected anything more than that...

You'd better learn your lesson quick, young padawan.

The point of this thread is that I am very disappointed and that I finally realize that I cannot believe anything they say anymore, I use to give the benefit of "they are very busy because there are lots of things to do". but this interview, and this whole time the sync issue is file under things/problem to look into under Ms Murdock's talk page. Then suddenly I find this interview releasing information that this is no longer a problem.

It has gone back to square one, what happen approximately half a year ago, when I first gone to lodge a complaint regarding sync on Ms Murdock's talk page, on further reading, I find that they don't have one same direction in treating this problem. Some talk page says its okay, the next days says they don't know, the next day, they are sending the problem onto the Dev team, after some exchanging of information on the talk page i am under the impression that the whole thing is now file under THINGS TO LOOK INTO.

and today, half year later, the whole thing has gone back to square one. its suddenly not even a problem that they want to look into anymore.

maybe cause its not a problem? syncing isnt "illegal" besides get over it its ra who cares if these ta teams come to ra to sync to get an extra 2 glads?

I don't care if sync is legal or not anymore.

I feel LIED TO.

pumpkin, get over it. it's not like they're cheating on you with someone else. It's a videogame. synching is allowed. issue closed. move on.

ArenaNet CR has never been that great.

Shouldn't be. Case re-opened.

and how exactly do you stop syncing?

Do not allow guild mates to be in the same district!!!

yeah!

how is that a fix?

I sync with friends from different guilds

/winthread

On that note, quit bitching a just live with it. There are some things ANet will change and there are some things they wont. If you're too stupid to tell the difference, then submit a few tickets and watch the responses. It's pretty obvious.

By removing incentive to do so? (glad points)

Alternative is to make sure that sync is obsolete: grouping players by Glad title rank or combination of all pvp titles (makes syncing less hurtfull for newbies; ensures good RA competition. You sync in empty RA districts to meet those mythical other skilled players that give you fair fight, right? You'd love tiered RA)

that's just a really stupid idea. why should guild mates not be allowed play from the same dist? some people are control freaks and ain't happy til everything is either arranged to suit them or broken to cheese off everyone else.


the whole point of RA is so that you can end up fighting just about anyone, they can be of a high or low skill level. Separating by rank only makes ure that the lower ranked never learn from the higher rank.

your ideas are elitist and counter-productive.

The contrary (current situation) allows easy farm of points by experienced players, at the expense of younger ones learning how you can be pwned endlessly, without learning anything else in the process.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but lots of Guilds do that for Champion point farming :X.
As for the OP's feelings, honestly I cant believe you are surprised, Anet isnt the first and defo not the last developer who "lies" to its clientbase

Remove that stupid title and sync join is gone by tomorrow. Besides, what CAN Arenanet do? Reprogram their entire matchmaking process? I doubt there is a single person at ArenaNet who'd really want to do that. Excuses for not doing that range from pressing matters regarding the GW2 code base to important self maiming at the office kitchen sink.

As for the lying? Although it must appear so to the teenage mind, as if only gods were allowed to work in Seattle, they are humans walking amongst other humans working at an office. Not every decision they make turns out to be the second coming. Listen to Zero Punctuation for a short history of incredible dumb decisions some people thought were legitimately smart. So if Anet outperforms standard issue politicians, we can call it a good day.

^Win thread.

But as for the main post, they are still a company. Companies have to cover their rear ends somehow and sometimes that can be via indirect/unclear responses (generalizing here).

i don't understand you people, this games fine as it is. Will you stop whining about every stupid little thing. Ofcourse they do stuff for the community, why else would Anet keep them under employment otherwise. CR doesn't just mean pop into the game now and then and say hello ya'know ....btw threads with RANT in the title should get a lock inless theres something worht discussing

You guys all missed the funniest part.

wtf is the server team doing that is slamming them? Creating all the lag? Closing down servers? There's fewer players than ever before and the server team is slammed? LOL.

they're busy playin wow

Get some friends and sync yourself.


There's no stipulation that it's illegal.

Guild Wars 2 server testing... remember its going to be an open world, thats VERY different on the servers to how Guild Wars 1 works

that's a different game though. you don't literally pull out all support for your current MMO to work on another one... well unless you're anet.

Not so... as GW isn't a traditional MMO, it doesn't need a normal team, especially as it has no monthly fee and not only that, it has been said that GW2 is going to use the same servers as GW (can't find the article, so if someone can, please linkie)

Fewer than ever doesn't mean "few". As suggested by the OP article, outside events (week-ends?) there's a bit less than half the amount of people that there is during events. Which is I guess quite some people still enjoying the game.

The problem of synching can be solved by flagging players based on their guildname/guildtag/friends list/account and IP etc. Real question: Who's gonne code this match making system when 200 people are working on GW2 and NCSoft doesn't want to give more recources to spend on GW?

People seem to lack understanding of how entering in RA works, and how teams are decided based on who enters and where.

There are multiple different districts in GW, such as the American District, Europe-German District all the way to Asia-Japanese District.

If you would take note, people sync full teams in Asian Districts, usually Traditional Chinese and Japanese districts. This doesn't mean that occasionally you don't see a guy and his friend synced in American or International districts, but they aren't usually the issue for people, and are rare events.

The reason you see most syncs in Asian districts is because each asian district is Independent in selecting teams, in other words, Japanese District will only take players from Japanese District unless 1-3 players who enter from Japanese district would be replacing 1-3 other players from another team who entered from Japanese or International District. This makes them ideal for syncing as there is a high probability that you will end up on the same team you attempt to sync with.

The issue with syncing in American Districts is that although each American District only pulls from American, (or International in the case of replacement as stated above) there are often many people who are entering, and many people who leave after a match and need replacing. Thus, the maximum you will usually see synced in American or International District is 2. (it's just too hard to sync more w/o wasting hours of time)

The problem people seem to have with syncing is that they believe the synced team has an unfair advantage over the team that didn't sync. Well.. do they really?

The region you enter from is the region you fight other teams from, North America will only face teams from North America, Asia from Asia, Europe from Europe.. and since it is nearly impossible to get a purely random team in Japan or China because of how few people go there who do not sync, the vast majority of battles in Asia are just 1 synced team vs another, the random teams that enter from Korea or on very rare accasions from China are just collateral damage. Syncing provides a low level TA for those too lazy, too tired or suck too much to TA. They don't even have the highest glad titles either, since they only get glads from RA the max they get per hour is 12 ( assuming they never lose, and get 10 wins every 20 minutes) Realistically they make alot less, probably 5-6, as opposed to a g7+ balance who TA, making 8-9, or during US nights even more....

With the meta as it is currently even American RA is glad farmable again if you can play a decent PaH or WoH... so why everyone has a problem with syncing I don't know. It's not like Anet can really release Baby Team Arenas and make it so only "noobs" can enter.

Suck it up, stop complaing about syncing and start complaining about how OP Mind Blast ele currently are..

[quote=caballo_oscuro;4556385]the whole point of RA is so that you can end up fighting just about anyone, they can be of a high or low skill level./quote]
The whole point of RA is being able to enter alone(with three others entering alone) into a random team versus another random team of four people who entered randomly and alone.

Syncing is an issue, yeah, but there is no realistic fix to it. One would have to be a fool to think that ANet could realistically watch every single person entering every RA match and make guesses as to who's syncing(which could be wrong, and also means many will be missed).

It's not that big of a deal anyway.
The lower ranks get practice against one another and over time earn more glad points as they get more experienced, thus going into the next tier, where they'll either stop progressing until they get better or slow down in progression until they get better.

It's a really simple concept.
elitism; noun (uncountable)
1.The belief that a society or system should be run by an elite

(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/elitism)

check your vocabulary.
That proposed tiered RA isn't elitist.

Counterproductive? Maybe. I don't think so, though.

Really, people are still talking about syncing...I thought we dead and buried this topic like two years ago.

And besides, any good PR rep never gives actual answers, unless they want to disclose information. They just put on a little show to appease most of the community and answer the questions they feel are pertinent.

- And this is the moment for idealistic views when actual troubles arise? Syncing means that even competition between random people become uneven competition of organized teams vs. random grouping. Anyway, player population is so small these days and the ANET's team for GW1 is two or three people, there's nothing they can do about the way teams are formed. Whole idea of random arenas just doesn't fit to the rest of the game.

One way to lessen the impact of synching would be to make random arenas not so random. Like each team automatically gets assigned one monk and three other classes. If every team had at least someone who could heal then it would give everyone in RA a chance, even if they aren't coordinated. This probably won't happen though since it would require too much the two GW programmers time, but I think its a decent idea.

April Update.

Remove Gladiator title from RA (to remove it from empty districts) + change it so people aren't placed into a queue like it currently is to prevent further grief teams (Fast faction for zkeys/just to grief). It's pretty stupid that you get put onto teams based on when you hit Enter Battle and it doesn't shuffle the teams at all, but that's the rules of the game at the moment, so whatever.

By designing the system correctly in the first place.

Just grabbing people and tossing them into a group based on their position in a queue is not "random". "Random" teams should be determined by something that the player has no control over. For example, in WoW, you're assigned a "battlegroup" when you sign up. You have no ability to pick your battlegroup, and as far as I know, you cannot change it. When you join battles as a "random" participant, you are stuck with the people in your battlegroup, who were also put their by the server, and there's nothing you can do about it.

How do they fix it now? Pfft. Good luck. There probably aren't enough people playing anymore to use a battlegroup-style system, so I'm not certain what they could do.

"Random", it may surprise you to learn, actually has a meaning that is immutable. At least in this case. What happens in "random arenas" is not in line with that definition. Seems to me then that "random arenas" are already broken by definition and should either be fixed or renamed to something like "sort of random unless you get a stopwatch and have the ability to click your mouse in synchronization based on a simple countdown arenas".

You're wrong.

Bear in mind that this is the company that believes that plugging in some new hard drives to add server space for storage is a complicated task requiring months of devoted work.

The argument has evolved, in case you missed it. The discussion now is about the legitimacy of doing it. It's less about "is it allowed" and more about "well, it's obviously allowed, but is it RIGHT".